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I think in some cases you can. Cotchery is an easily replaceable WR and Ryan is more than likely a fringe starting QB in fantasy. They got a top 10-15 dynasty WR in Jennings, who is on one of the top 5 offenses in the NFL. I feel comfortable making that call without seeing any rosters.
If a team needs a QB and has excess WRs that wouldn't make trading away Larry Fitzgerald for Mark Sanchez any less crazy.Jennings is a stud. If a team needs a QB, they can do a LOT better than Matt Ryan when moving a guy like Jennings.I'm shocked at how many deals I see in this thread that involve trading away a stud player for a bunch of borderline backups. It's like when the trade logic used to be broken in old Madden games on the PS2 where you could just throw a bunch of "D" and "F" rated 3rd stringers at a CPU team in trade for a stud just based on quantity alone.
This somewhat depends on team need for me, but I would probably take Team B's side. If Team A was loaded at WR and really needed a RB then it would be closer.
true. from an objective standpoint, you can look at a trade and say who got the better value. but there's no way, without rosters, to say which team improved, or "won".
In terms of future production, Jacobs has an edge, but not much. I'm not sure either is going to do much in 2011. Ricky might retire.Roddy is far superior to any player in that deal. By far. Basically, the 1.03 was traded for White. And I'll take Roddy in that deal all day long. And twice on Sundays.Done. Team B wins. And this is one that I don't think is very close. Team needs be damned. I hope Team A is rebuilding. But if so, Jacobs shouldn't be in that deal.
oh eff off. here i am
on a Sunday evening and you're gonna catch me in a hypocrisy. 
i suppose what i should have said was "got more value". my apologies.
This.
Woody Johnstone posts here. Who knew.
I think this is a TD only league though.
This is getting depressing. Wish I had held Thomas for another couple months. His value has seemed to skyrocket with Shanny/McNabb.
No one is dumb enough to make this deal.
Don't feel bad. It's just another deal involving me for Devin Thomas. I'm really rolling the dice this year. Probably end up with egg on my face, but what the hell, I don't care. I was turned down in a different league than the one mentioned above where I offered a 1st rd pick and Heyward-Bey for Thomas.
While in the end I think Calvin is worth this, it's paying a premium for him with his current market value. Whoever got the Crabtree side got very good value for Calvin.In the end, it all really depends where that 2011 1st is. If it's Top 3-4, I like the Calvin side long term.
Devin Thomas for sale in HA4.
Too bad I'm not in HA4 or I would throw an offer your way
What is the going rate for a young upside WR with not proven track record?
I personally would have stayed at the 1.03 and just taken Mathews/Spiller..... Not a big fan of PT.
Better question is, what's the going rate for a young WR WITH a proven track record? A lot I would guess. Get them before they cost an arm and a leg. I gave up a lot in one trade some said (Witten & Doucet), but not so much in another (late 1st rd pick and Anthony Gonzalez), and got turned down in another trying to get Thomas (offered Heyward-Bey and a 2011 1st rd pick).
He's all grown up now
That's robbery, but some people are super high on Bradshaw.
I'm one of them, but not THIS high. He opened with Bradshaw + Lynch for Ocho Cinco. I declined, explaining that 1) Ocho isn't worth that much to me due to his age, 2) I'm high on Bradshaw, and Lynch too if he gets traded, 3) I'd be tossing in Evans to make roster room, which would make it more unbalanced. I was thinking that maybe Evans, Bradshaw, and the #12 or #9 pick MIGHT get it done for Colston, but he countered with Bradshaw/Lynch/Evans for Austin straight up. It could work out evenly and help his team quite a bit if Bradshaw does well and Lynch gets moved to SD, but that's awfully optimistic of him.EDIT: We also have a weird scoring system, but the main effect of it is that QBs are valued higher, more along the lines of a 2 QB league. Doesn't really play into this one.
And RE: Calvin's dynasty value - heeee's baaaaaaack. But he should have never gone away. Some of the deals moving CJ in this thread are brutal. I agree about the 2011 1st (and I'm probably higher than most - no holmes jokes pls - on Crabs)I've turned down a couple offers for Calvin recently (one for Roddy s/u, and the other was for Crabs + moving from 2.12 to 1.05) - Tried / countered Calvin + Addai + 1.12 for J Stewart + Crabs + 1.05, but that was rejected.
ill take calvin and sjax everytime
Team B gets (same Team B as above):Betts, Ladell WAS RBBoldin, Anquan ARI WRTeam C gets:Breaston, Steve ARI WRDoucet, Early ARI WRYear 2011 Round 1 Draft Pick (most likely a late 1st)
Team C made out pretty darn good IMO.
I was going to say the same about Team B.Basically moved Devin Thomas, Steve Breaston, Early Doucet for Anquan Boldin, Anthony Gonzalez, and Ladell Betts.
I think so. Team C has some aging WRs so getting a pair of younger WRs and that 1st should work out well for him.I'm Team B in these trades and overall I'm happy with it since I could use some help at WR. I'm also really high on Boldin, maybe more than most around here. Boldin will be my #2, with Calvin as my #1 and Ocho Cinco as my #3.
Thanks, and that's how I look at it since the 2nd trade couldn't have happened without the first, plus I had full intentions on following up the first trade with another to help improve my WR corps with a vet WR. I traded potential for proven, and I do like the potential of Devin Thomas, Breaston/Doucet, but I'm very high on Boldin and like what he adds to my team now. In the end, I have three decent WRs in Calvin, Boldin and Ocho in a start 2 WR with a RB/WR/TE flex league. We'll see how it works out. For the record, I also dropped Betts immediately following the 2nd trade and picked up Javon Ringer.
