2010 Rookie Draft Picks, Looking Ahead! (1 Viewer)

[fruity pebbles]

Agree on Spiller except for the idea that he's lethal as a runner. Small, fast backs have an advantage in college that doesn't always translate to the NFL, and compared to his small-back peers he's not been anything special as a ball carrier:Spiller... 5.8 ypc and a TD on 4.6% of his carriesBush... 7.7 ypc and a TD on 6.4% Best... 7.6 ypc and a TD on 10.8%As for Chris Johnson... he ran a 4.24. That's a great equalizer for someone this tiny (by NFL RB standards). Spiller's projected as a 4.37 - good, but not great for someone that small. Charles, McFadden and Bush all ran similar times - 4.3x is the norm for backs his size.Again, I'm not suggesting that Spiller won't be successful in the NFL. But I don't see him as an every down guy, and there are safer picks in terms of finding a long-term FF RB#1.

Level of competition that Spiller faced and Best and Reggie faced is a little different.

 

[BeTheMatch]

Ingram is just a sophomore. So unless he's a redshirt sophomore, he's not eligible for the next draft.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Agree on Spiller except for the idea that he's lethal as a runner. Small, fast backs have an advantage in college that doesn't always translate to the NFL, and compared to his small-back peers he's not been anything special as a ball carrier:Spiller... 5.8 ypc and a TD on 4.6% of his carriesBush... 7.7 ypc and a TD on 6.4% Best... 7.6 ypc and a TD on 10.8%As for Chris Johnson... he ran a 4.24. That's a great equalizer for someone this tiny (by NFL RB standards). Spiller's projected as a 4.37 - good, but not great for someone that small. Charles, McFadden and Bush all ran similar times - 4.3x is the norm for backs his size.Again, I'm not suggesting that Spiller won't be successful in the NFL. But I don't see him as an every down guy, and there are safer picks in terms of finding a long-term FF RB#1.

Level of competition that Spiller faced and Best and Reggie faced is a little different.

Really? You think the ACC is tougher for a RB than the PAC-10? 30-40% tougher? OK, won't argue that one.But I will say that until you get down to the small school level (Division II/III), it looks to me like the benefits a player might see from being in a league with lower quality of competition are offset by the fact that his teammates are also lower quality. As far as I can tell, unless he's playing on a complete powerhouse of a team or we're talking about non-BCS schools there doesn't appear to be any discounting of NCAA performance needed in order to predict performance in the NFL.

 

[TitusIII]

Anyone know the current status of Leg Blount(RB-ORE) and Stafon Johnson(RB-USC)? It wouldn't shock me in the least if one these guys ends up the second best NFL runner out of this crop, mostly due to the lack of workhorses after Dwyer, imo. I think Spiller will be a nice weapon in the NFL, but I don't see the toughness/strength necessary for a 20+ touch per game back. Best, on the other hand, is changing my mind a bit, as he must have gained 15+ pounds in the off-season, and it hasn't affected his speed. Maybe he can put on more weight?

 

[CalBear]

Spiller... 5.8 ypc and a TD on 4.6% of his carriesBush... 7.7 ypc and a TD on 6.4% Best... 7.6 ypc and a TD on 10.8%

QB Kevin Reilly was asked how Best acts when he gets back to the huddle after a big run. Reilly responded, "I don't know, all of his big runs end in touchdowns."

 

[EBF]

Agree on Spiller except for the idea that he's lethal as a runner. Small, fast backs have an advantage in college that doesn't always translate to the NFL, and compared to his small-back peers he's not been anything special as a ball carrier:Spiller... 5.8 ypc and a TD on 4.6% of his carriesBush... 7.7 ypc and a TD on 6.4% Best... 7.6 ypc and a TD on 10.8%As for Chris Johnson... he ran a 4.24. That's a great equalizer for someone this tiny (by NFL RB standards). Spiller's projected as a 4.37 - good, but not great for someone that small. Charles, McFadden and Bush all ran similar times - 4.3x is the norm for backs his size.Again, I'm not suggesting that Spiller won't be successful in the NFL. But I don't see him as an every down guy, and there are safer picks in terms of finding a long-term FF RB#1.

Level of competition that Spiller faced and Best and Reggie faced is a little different.

If anything, the Pac-10 is tougher than the ACC.

 

[The Real Hipster Doofus]

From what I have seen from Michael Floyd when healthy, he is the best WR prospect in the country.

 

[jurb26]

Doesn't seem to be a whole lot of talk about Mike Williams WR, Syracuse. This guy has a ton of ability but is pretty raw.

 

[BeTheMatch]

Saw this week that Dez Bryant apparently lost his appeal with the NCAA and will still be suspended into next September. He has apparently since then said that he's unsure if he's going to enter the draft next year. Would be hard to imagine him not coming out, but I guess you never know.

 

[jurb26]

Saw this week that Dez Bryant apparently lost his appeal with the NCAA and will still be suspended into next September. He has apparently since then said that he's unsure if he's going to enter the draft next year. Would be hard to imagine him not coming out, but I guess you never know.

From a personal standpoint I think Bryant would be wise to go back. I don't care what people say, being out the whole year (basically) is going to effect his draft stock. If he goes back to school I think he can raise it again. What's interesting is that next year both AJ Green and J. Jones are able to come out. Both have a great chance of being taken ahead of Bryant, more so than the WRs from this class.

 

[BeTheMatch]

Saw this week that Dez Bryant apparently lost his appeal with the NCAA and will still be suspended into next September. He has apparently since then said that he's unsure if he's going to enter the draft next year. Would be hard to imagine him not coming out, but I guess you never know.

From a personal standpoint I think Bryant would be wise to go back. I don't care what people say, being out the whole year (basically) is going to effect his draft stock. If he goes back to school I think he can raise it again. What's interesting is that next year both AJ Green and J. Jones are able to come out. Both have a great chance of being taken ahead of Bryant, more so than the WRs from this class.

Jones has been a big disappointment this year, so I don't see how you could say he'd move ahead of a guy like Bryant. Plus, it sounds like this suspension is for one calendar year, meaning Bryant would miss some games next year too.ETA: And all draft experts would disagree with you on his stock being affected, as they have Bryant (still) as a top-10 or even top-5 pick.

 

[jurb26]

Saw this week that Dez Bryant apparently lost his appeal with the NCAA and will still be suspended into next September. He has apparently since then said that he's unsure if he's going to enter the draft next year. Would be hard to imagine him not coming out, but I guess you never know.

From a personal standpoint I think Bryant would be wise to go back. I don't care what people say, being out the whole year (basically) is going to effect his draft stock. If he goes back to school I think he can raise it again. What's interesting is that next year both AJ Green and J. Jones are able to come out. Both have a great chance of being taken ahead of Bryant, more so than the WRs from this class.

Jones has been a big disappointment this year, so I don't see how you could say he'd move ahead of a guy like Bryant. Plus, it sounds like this suspension is for one calendar year, meaning Bryant would miss some games next year too.ETA: And all draft experts would disagree with you on his stock being affected, as they have Bryant (still) as a top-10 or even top-5 pick.

I didn't say Jones moved ahead of Bryant this year. I said he has a good chance to next year. Jones has stud ability but has been held back by poor QB play this year. Personally, I'd already put AJ Green ahead of Bryant.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Agree on Spiller except for the idea that he's lethal as a runner. Small, fast backs have an advantage in college that doesn't always translate to the NFL, and compared to his small-back peers he's not been anything special as a ball carrier:Spiller... 5.8 ypc and a TD on 4.6% of his carriesBush... 7.7 ypc and a TD on 6.4% Best... 7.6 ypc and a TD on 10.8%As for Chris Johnson... he ran a 4.24. That's a great equalizer for someone this tiny (by NFL RB standards). Spiller's projected as a 4.37 - good, but not great for someone that small. Charles, McFadden and Bush all ran similar times - 4.3x is the norm for backs his size.Again, I'm not suggesting that Spiller won't be successful in the NFL. But I don't see him as an every down guy, and there are safer picks in terms of finding a long-term FF RB#1.

Level of competition that Spiller faced and Best and Reggie faced is a little different.

If anything, the Pac-10 is tougher than the ACC.

Pac-10 offenses are better. Defenses not so much.

 

[kremenull]

Saw this week that Dez Bryant apparently lost his appeal with the NCAA and will still be suspended into next September. He has apparently since then said that he's unsure if he's going to enter the draft next year. Would be hard to imagine him not coming out, but I guess you never know.

From a personal standpoint I think Bryant would be wise to go back. I don't care what people say, being out the whole year (basically) is going to effect his draft stock. If he goes back to school I think he can raise it again. What's interesting is that next year both AJ Green and J. Jones are able to come out. Both have a great chance of being taken ahead of Bryant, more so than the WRs from this class.

Huh????....That would be the dumbest move ever, for this kid to go back to school. First off, the NCAA just suspended him over some nonsensical ruling based on his family ties with Deion Sanders. Why would he go back and face further scrutiny (and further possible suspension) into his personal relationships. But more importantly, it is never wise to delay a high-end payday for a (not guaranteed) hopefully better payday? Take the sure $$ now, as he is probably projected as a Top 15-20 selection. No way Bryant goes back to college, him turning pro this year is a definite lock.On top of this, there is bound to be agents/advisers warning about every NFL prospect (underclassmen) of the looming rookie salary cap......and the likelihood or chances of it being implemented and when it could happen (I'd guess that 2011 is the earliest it could happen). I suspect that there will be an unprecedented influx of underclass talent declaring for this year's draft solely based on this "looming rookie cap". It will be similar to the final NBA draft that allowed high schoolers to jump directly to the pros after graduation from H.S. That year, there was a record number of H.S. players that made the jump and declared for the draft.

 

[moderated]

Saw this week that Dez Bryant apparently lost his appeal with the NCAA and will still be suspended into next September. He has apparently since then said that he's unsure if he's going to enter the draft next year. Would be hard to imagine him not coming out, but I guess you never know.

From a personal standpoint I think Bryant would be wise to go back. I don't care what people say, being out the whole year (basically) is going to effect his draft stock. If he goes back to school I think he can raise it again. What's interesting is that next year both AJ Green and J. Jones are able to come out. Both have a great chance of being taken ahead of Bryant, more so than the WRs from this class.

Huh????....That would be the dumbest move ever, for this kid to go back to school. First off, the NCAA just suspended him over some nonsensical ruling based on his family ties with Deion Sanders. Why would he go back and face further scrutiny (and further possible suspension) into his personal relationships. But more importantly, it is never wise to delay a high-end payday for a (not guaranteed) hopefully better payday? Take the sure $$ now, as he is probably projected as a Top 15-20 selection. No way Bryant goes back to college, him turning pro this year is a definite lock.On top of this, there is bound to be agents/advisers warning about every NFL prospect (underclassmen) of the looming rookie salary cap......and the likelihood or chances of it being implemented and when it could happen (I'd guess that 2011 is the earliest it could happen). I suspect that there will be an unprecedented influx of underclass talent declaring for this year's draft solely based on this "looming rookie cap". It will be similar to the final NBA draft that allowed high schoolers to jump directly to the pros after graduation from H.S. That year, there was a record number of H.S. players that made the jump and declared for the draft.

no way bryant goes back to school unless he is being advised by the biggest morons on the planet.

 

[lynx4ben]

no way bryant goes back to school unless he is being advised by the biggest morons on the planet.

Umm, Deion Sanders anyone????

 

[moderated]

no way bryant goes back to school unless he is being advised by the biggest morons on the planet.

Umm, Deion Sanders anyone????

lol

 

[Highway Robbery]

Agree on Spiller except for the idea that he's lethal as a runner. Small, fast backs have an advantage in college that doesn't always translate to the NFL, and compared to his small-back peers he's not been anything special as a ball carrier:Spiller... 5.8 ypc and a TD on 4.6% of his carriesBush... 7.7 ypc and a TD on 6.4% Best... 7.6 ypc and a TD on 10.8%As for Chris Johnson... he ran a 4.24. That's a great equalizer for someone this tiny (by NFL RB standards). Spiller's projected as a 4.37 - good, but not great for someone that small. Charles, McFadden and Bush all ran similar times - 4.3x is the norm for backs his size.Again, I'm not suggesting that Spiller won't be successful in the NFL. But I don't see him as an every down guy, and there are safer picks in terms of finding a long-term FF RB#1.

Level of competition that Spiller faced and Best and Reggie faced is a little different.

If anything, the Pac-10 is tougher than the ACC.

 

[jurb26]

Saw this week that Dez Bryant apparently lost his appeal with the NCAA and will still be suspended into next September. He has apparently since then said that he's unsure if he's going to enter the draft next year. Would be hard to imagine him not coming out, but I guess you never know.

From a personal standpoint I think Bryant would be wise to go back. I don't care what people say, being out the whole year (basically) is going to effect his draft stock. If he goes back to school I think he can raise it again. What's interesting is that next year both AJ Green and J. Jones are able to come out. Both have a great chance of being taken ahead of Bryant, more so than the WRs from this class.

Huh????....That would be the dumbest move ever, for this kid to go back to school. First off, the NCAA just suspended him over some nonsensical ruling based on his family ties with Deion Sanders. Why would he go back and face further scrutiny (and further possible suspension) into his personal relationships. But more importantly, it is never wise to delay a high-end payday for a (not guaranteed) hopefully better payday? Take the sure $$ now, as he is probably projected as a Top 15-20 selection. No way Bryant goes back to college, him turning pro this year is a definite lock.On top of this, there is bound to be agents/advisers warning about every NFL prospect (underclassmen) of the looming rookie salary cap......and the likelihood or chances of it being implemented and when it could happen (I'd guess that 2011 is the earliest it could happen). I suspect that there will be an unprecedented influx of underclass talent declaring for this year's draft solely based on this "looming rookie cap". It will be similar to the final NBA draft that allowed high schoolers to jump directly to the pros after graduation from H.S. That year, there was a record number of H.S. players that made the jump and declared for the draft.

Before this suspension he was projected as a top 5-10 selection.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

Saw this week that Dez Bryant apparently lost his appeal with the NCAA and will still be suspended into next September. He has apparently since then said that he's unsure if he's going to enter the draft next year. Would be hard to imagine him not coming out, but I guess you never know.

From a personal standpoint I think Bryant would be wise to go back. I don't care what people say, being out the whole year (basically) is going to effect his draft stock. If he goes back to school I think he can raise it again. What's interesting is that next year both AJ Green and J. Jones are able to come out. Both have a great chance of being taken ahead of Bryant, more so than the WRs from this class.

You want to make a $$$ bet on that?

 

[BeTheMatch]

Saw this week that Dez Bryant apparently lost his appeal with the NCAA and will still be suspended into next September. He has apparently since then said that he's unsure if he's going to enter the draft next year. Would be hard to imagine him not coming out, but I guess you never know.

From a personal standpoint I think Bryant would be wise to go back. I don't care what people say, being out the whole year (basically) is going to effect his draft stock. If he goes back to school I think he can raise it again. What's interesting is that next year both AJ Green and J. Jones are able to come out. Both have a great chance of being taken ahead of Bryant, more so than the WRs from this class.

Huh????....That would be the dumbest move ever, for this kid to go back to school. First off, the NCAA just suspended him over some nonsensical ruling based on his family ties with Deion Sanders. Why would he go back and face further scrutiny (and further possible suspension) into his personal relationships. But more importantly, it is never wise to delay a high-end payday for a (not guaranteed) hopefully better payday? Take the sure $$ now, as he is probably projected as a Top 15-20 selection. No way Bryant goes back to college, him turning pro this year is a definite lock.On top of this, there is bound to be agents/advisers warning about every NFL prospect (underclassmen) of the looming rookie salary cap......and the likelihood or chances of it being implemented and when it could happen (I'd guess that 2011 is the earliest it could happen). I suspect that there will be an unprecedented influx of underclass talent declaring for this year's draft solely based on this "looming rookie cap". It will be similar to the final NBA draft that allowed high schoolers to jump directly to the pros after graduation from H.S. That year, there was a record number of H.S. players that made the jump and declared for the draft.

Before this suspension he was projected as a top 5-10 selection.

And after, according to Todd McShay, Mel Kiper and the Sporting News, to name a few.

 

[BeTheMatch]

Saw this week that Dez Bryant apparently lost his appeal with the NCAA and will still be suspended into next September. He has apparently since then said that he's unsure if he's going to enter the draft next year. Would be hard to imagine him not coming out, but I guess you never know.

From a personal standpoint I think Bryant would be wise to go back. I don't care what people say, being out the whole year (basically) is going to effect his draft stock. If he goes back to school I think he can raise it again. What's interesting is that next year both AJ Green and J. Jones are able to come out. Both have a great chance of being taken ahead of Bryant, more so than the WRs from this class.

You want to make a $$$ bet on that?

And if you think Green and Jones have a great shot to be taken ahead of Bryant, then wouldn't it stand to reason that he'd be wise to come out this year since neither of them can come out this year? You seem to be contradicting yourself, jurb.

 

[EBF]

Agree on Spiller except for the idea that he's lethal as a runner. Small, fast backs have an advantage in college that doesn't always translate to the NFL, and compared to his small-back peers he's not been anything special as a ball carrier:Spiller... 5.8 ypc and a TD on 4.6% of his carriesBush... 7.7 ypc and a TD on 6.4% Best... 7.6 ypc and a TD on 10.8%As for Chris Johnson... he ran a 4.24. That's a great equalizer for someone this tiny (by NFL RB standards). Spiller's projected as a 4.37 - good, but not great for someone that small. Charles, McFadden and Bush all ran similar times - 4.3x is the norm for backs his size.Again, I'm not suggesting that Spiller won't be successful in the NFL. But I don't see him as an every down guy, and there are safer picks in terms of finding a long-term FF RB#1.

Level of competition that Spiller faced and Best and Reggie faced is a little different.

If anything, the Pac-10 is tougher than the ACC.

If you look at the amount of NFL players per school that each conference produces, the Pac-10 is right up there with any other conference in the country. California is a huge state. Southern California is one of the most fertile talent hotbeds in the entire country. Most of those players end up at Pac-10 schools. There is no discernable difference in quality between the average Pac-10 team and the average team in any other BCS conference.

 

[jurb26]

Saw this week that Dez Bryant apparently lost his appeal with the NCAA and will still be suspended into next September. He has apparently since then said that he's unsure if he's going to enter the draft next year. Would be hard to imagine him not coming out, but I guess you never know.

From a personal standpoint I think Bryant would be wise to go back. I don't care what people say, being out the whole year (basically) is going to effect his draft stock. If he goes back to school I think he can raise it again. What's interesting is that next year both AJ Green and J. Jones are able to come out. Both have a great chance of being taken ahead of Bryant, more so than the WRs from this class.

You want to make a $$$ bet on that?

And if you think Green and Jones have a great shot to be taken ahead of Bryant, then wouldn't it stand to reason that he'd be wise to come out this year since neither of them can come out this year? You seem to be contradicting yourself, jurb.

No, I didn't contradict myself. I clearly said I think it would be interesting to see all 3 guys in the same draft. All are going to be very highly rated. I prefer Green to any of the WRs out there right now and I'm sure some other folks do as well.I'd bet money on Green vs. Bryant. Not sure we would be able to if they are not going to be in the same draft though.

 

[BeTheMatch]

Saw this week that Dez Bryant apparently lost his appeal with the NCAA and will still be suspended into next September. He has apparently since then said that he's unsure if he's going to enter the draft next year. Would be hard to imagine him not coming out, but I guess you never know.

From a personal standpoint I think Bryant would be wise to go back. I don't care what people say, being out the whole year (basically) is going to effect his draft stock. If he goes back to school I think he can raise it again. What's interesting is that next year both AJ Green and J. Jones are able to come out. Both have a great chance of being taken ahead of Bryant, more so than the WRs from this class.

You want to make a $$$ bet on that?

And if you think Green and Jones have a great shot to be taken ahead of Bryant, then wouldn't it stand to reason that he'd be wise to come out this year since neither of them can come out this year? You seem to be contradicting yourself, jurb.

No, I didn't contradict myself. I clearly said I think it would be interesting to see all 3 guys in the same draft. All are going to be very highly rated. I prefer Green to any of the WRs out there right now and I'm sure some other folks do as well.I'd bet money on Green vs. Bryant. Not sure we would be able to if they are not going to be in the same draft though.

So Bryant is more likely to be the first WR drafted this year than he would be next year, when you think Green and Jones have a good chance to be taken ahead of him, yet it would still be wise for him to stay another year? Umm, okay. Can't argue circular logic like that.

 

[jurb26]

So Bryant is more likely to be the first WR drafted this year than he would be next year, when you think Green and Jones have a good chance to be taken ahead of him, yet it would still be wise for him to stay another year? Umm, okay. Can't argue circular logic like that.

I think Green is a top 10 pick when he comes out. I think Bryant can be as well but fell into the 15-20 range this year as someone else mentioned. Bryant could go back and put himself back in the 10-15 range and still be picked after Green. It's really not that hard to understand.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

So Bryant is more likely to be the first WR drafted this year than he would be next year, when you think Green and Jones have a good chance to be taken ahead of him, yet it would still be wise for him to stay another year? Umm, okay. Can't argue circular logic like that.

I think Green is a top 10 pick when he comes out. I think Bryant can be as well but fell into the 15-20 range this year as someone else mentioned. Bryant could go back and put himself back in the 10-15 range and still be picked after Green. It's really not that hard to understand.

Bryant would be an idiot to go back for another year, and I guarantee you he gets drafted before Green should they both come out the same year.

 

[jurb26]

So Bryant is more likely to be the first WR drafted this year than he would be next year, when you think Green and Jones have a good chance to be taken ahead of him, yet it would still be wise for him to stay another year? Umm, okay. Can't argue circular logic like that.

I think Green is a top 10 pick when he comes out. I think Bryant can be as well but fell into the 15-20 range this year as someone else mentioned. Bryant could go back and put himself back in the 10-15 range and still be picked after Green. It's really not that hard to understand.

Bryant would be an idiot to go back for another year, and I guarantee you he gets drafted before Green should they both come out the same year.

Sorry, but your guarantee really doesn't mean anything.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

So Bryant is more likely to be the first WR drafted this year than he would be next year, when you think Green and Jones have a good chance to be taken ahead of him, yet it would still be wise for him to stay another year? Umm, okay. Can't argue circular logic like that.

I think Green is a top 10 pick when he comes out. I think Bryant can be as well but fell into the 15-20 range this year as someone else mentioned. Bryant could go back and put himself back in the 10-15 range and still be picked after Green. It's really not that hard to understand.

Bryant would be an idiot to go back for another year, and I guarantee you he gets drafted before Green should they both come out the same year.

Sorry, but your guarantee really doesn't mean anything.

That's a two way street. Not that you guaranteed anything, but we know where you're coming from with Green vs Bryant.

 

[jurb26]

So Bryant is more likely to be the first WR drafted this year than he would be next year, when you think Green and Jones have a good chance to be taken ahead of him, yet it would still be wise for him to stay another year? Umm, okay. Can't argue circular logic like that.

I think Green is a top 10 pick when he comes out. I think Bryant can be as well but fell into the 15-20 range this year as someone else mentioned. Bryant could go back and put himself back in the 10-15 range and still be picked after Green. It's really not that hard to understand.

Bryant would be an idiot to go back for another year, and I guarantee you he gets drafted before Green should they both come out the same year.

Sorry, but your guarantee really doesn't mean anything.

That's a two way street. Not that you guaranteed anything, but we know where you're coming from with Green vs Bryant.

I think your "gaurantee" diminishes your credibility. Both guys are top shelf prospects. It would be close either way. I happen to think Green would rate higher but it's no slam dunk.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

I think your "gaurantee" diminishes your credibility. Both guys are top shelf prospects. It would be close either way. I happen to think Green would rate higher but it's no slam dunk.

Let's not talk about credibility. You really shouldn't. Let's just say the scouts say that Bryant is the best WR in next year's draft.

 

[jurb26]

I think your "gaurantee" diminishes your credibility. Both guys are top shelf prospects. It would be close either way. I happen to think Green would rate higher but it's no slam dunk.

Let's not talk about credibility. You really shouldn't. Let's just say the scouts say that Bryant is the best WR in next year's draft.

The scouts know that Green can't be drafted next year.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

I think your "gaurantee" diminishes your credibility. Both guys are top shelf prospects. It would be close either way. I happen to think Green would rate higher but it's no slam dunk.

Let's not talk about credibility. You really shouldn't. Let's just say the scouts say that Bryant is the best WR in next year's draft.

The scouts know that Green can't be drafted next year.

Then why did you say, "What's interesting is that next year both AJ Green and J. Jones are able to come out"......?He will be a junior next year, and he will be 21 on July 31. What's the rule as for age? Wasn't it 21 before the season starts or something like that?

 

[jurb26]

I think your "gaurantee" diminishes your credibility. Both guys are top shelf prospects. It would be close either way. I happen to think Green would rate higher but it's no slam dunk.

Let's not talk about credibility. You really shouldn't. Let's just say the scouts say that Bryant is the best WR in next year's draft.

The scouts know that Green can't be drafted next year.

Then why did you say, "What's interesting is that next year both AJ Green and J. Jones are able to come out"?

I was referring to the draft after this one. The one in which both Green and Jones would be eligible. Thought you know that seeing that you have made it a point to disagree with the idea of Bryant going back to school on at least 2 occasions now.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

I think your "gaurantee" diminishes your credibility. Both guys are top shelf prospects. It would be close either way. I happen to think Green would rate higher but it's no slam dunk.

Let's not talk about credibility. You really shouldn't. Let's just say the scouts say that Bryant is the best WR in next year's draft.

The scouts know that Green can't be drafted next year.

Then why did you say, "What's interesting is that next year both AJ Green and J. Jones are able to come out"?

I was referring to the draft after this one. The one in which both Green and Jones would be eligible. Thought you know that seeing that you have made it a point to disagree with the idea of Bryant going back to school on at least 2 occasions now.

All I know is that you used the words "next year", which means next year's draft. Besides, you may be right. Green will be 21 next July. Doesn't that make him eligible?

 

[jurb26]

I think your "gaurantee" diminishes your credibility. Both guys are top shelf prospects. It would be close either way. I happen to think Green would rate higher but it's no slam dunk.

Let's not talk about credibility. You really shouldn't. Let's just say the scouts say that Bryant is the best WR in next year's draft.

The scouts know that Green can't be drafted next year.

Then why did you say, "What's interesting is that next year both AJ Green and J. Jones are able to come out"......?He will be a junior next year, and he will be 21 on July 31. What's the rule as for age? Wasn't it 21 before the season starts or something like that?

You must be at least 3 years removed from high school. AJ Green and Jones both started as true freshman. They are not eligible until 2011.

 

[cstu]

no way bryant goes back to school unless he is being advised by the biggest morons on the planet.

Umm, Deion Sanders anyone????

Anyone actually think Deion $anders is going to advise someone to stay in school?

 

[moderated]

I think your "gaurantee" diminishes your credibility. Both guys are top shelf prospects. It would be close either way. I happen to think Green would rate higher but it's no slam dunk.

Let's not talk about credibility. You really shouldn't. Let's just say the scouts say that Bryant is the best WR in next year's draft.

The scouts know that Green can't be drafted next year.

Then why did you say, "What's interesting is that next year both AJ Green and J. Jones are able to come out"?

I was referring to the draft after this one. The one in which both Green and Jones would be eligible. Thought you know that seeing that you have made it a point to disagree with the idea of Bryant going back to school on at least 2 occasions now.

Not sure why your grouping Julio Jones in with Green/Bryant.Julio has been all hype and been horrible on the field. He runs bad routes/drops balls/etc. If he was able to come out this year i highly doubt he'd go in the top 2 rounds and no way he'd be a 1st rounder like Bryant/Green.

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

I think your "gaurantee" diminishes your credibility. Both guys are top shelf prospects. It would be close either way. I happen to think Green would rate higher but it's no slam dunk.

Let's not talk about credibility. You really shouldn't. Let's just say the scouts say that Bryant is the best WR in next year's draft.

The scouts know that Green can't be drafted next year.

Then why did you say, "What's interesting is that next year both AJ Green and J. Jones are able to come out"......?He will be a junior next year, and he will be 21 on July 31. What's the rule as for age? Wasn't it 21 before the season starts or something like that?

You must be at least 3 years removed from high school. AJ Green and Jones both started as true freshman. They are not eligible until 2011.

I'll take your word for it. Either way, the poll looks like it's in favor of Bryant if all 3 were in the same draft. Small sample so far however.

 

[jurb26]

Not sure why your grouping Julio Jones in with Green/Bryant.Julio has been all hype and been horrible on the field. He runs bad routes/drops balls/etc. If he was able to come out this year i highly doubt he'd go in the top 2 rounds and no way he'd be a 1st rounder like Bryant/Green.

I'm trying to give Jones the benefit of the doubt for this year. He was amazing as a true freshman but is having a bad year this year for sure. I think he has the ability to vault up next year so I'm placing him there. I do like Green and Bryant more right now though.

 

[jurb26]

I'll take your word for it. Either way, the poll looks like it's in favor of Bryant if all 3 were in the same draft. Small sample so far however.

You don't have to take my word for it. A quick google search will tell you this.

Player Eligibility

# Football players who have been out of high school for at least three years are eligible for the NFL draft. The rules do not state that a player must attend college, but virtually all of the players selected in the NFL draft played college football. A year as a "red shirt" player in college counts toward eligibility even though the player was not allowed to participate in games during that year. Therefore players who have completed their red shirt sophomore year can enter the NFL draft. A few players are also selected from other football leagues like the Arena Football League or the Canadian Football League.

I would expect Bryant to win any poll. He has more exposure and has put up big college stats.

 

[BeTheMatch]

I think your "gaurantee" diminishes your credibility. Both guys are top shelf prospects. It would be close either way. I happen to think Green would rate higher but it's no slam dunk.

And what diminishes your credibility is saying you think it would be wise for a guy who is the consensus No. 1 WR and a top 5-15 overall pick in the last year potentially before a rookie salary cap to go back for another year of college.

 

[corpcow]

So Bryant is more likely to be the first WR drafted this year than he would be next year, when you think Green and Jones have a good chance to be taken ahead of him, yet it would still be wise for him to stay another year? Umm, okay. Can't argue circular logic like that.

I think Green is a top 10 pick when he comes out. I think Bryant can be as well but fell into the 15-20 range this year as someone else mentioned. Bryant could go back and put himself back in the 10-15 range and still be picked after Green. It's really not that hard to understand.

Bryant would be an idiot to go back for another year, and I guarantee you he gets drafted before Green should they both come out the same year.

Sorry, but your guarantee really doesn't mean anything.

Is he big and/or fast? When do the raiders pick?logic be damned.... these are important questions for this debate

 

[jurb26]

I think your "gaurantee" diminishes your credibility. Both guys are top shelf prospects. It would be close either way. I happen to think Green would rate higher but it's no slam dunk.

And what diminishes your credibility is saying you think it would be wise for a guy who is the consensus No. 1 WR and a top 5-15 overall pick in the last year potentially before a rookie salary cap to go back for another year of college.

We still don't know if they cap will be there or not. If it is, then he should come out no question. I don't think he will be a top 10 pick though. Likely in the 15-20 range which is a fall from where he could be picked if he goes back to school.

 

[jurb26]

So Bryant is more likely to be the first WR drafted this year than he would be next year, when you think Green and Jones have a good chance to be taken ahead of him, yet it would still be wise for him to stay another year? Umm, okay. Can't argue circular logic like that.

I think Green is a top 10 pick when he comes out. I think Bryant can be as well but fell into the 15-20 range this year as someone else mentioned. Bryant could go back and put himself back in the 10-15 range and still be picked after Green. It's really not that hard to understand.

Bryant would be an idiot to go back for another year, and I guarantee you he gets drafted before Green should they both come out the same year.

Sorry, but your guarantee really doesn't mean anything.

Is he big and/or fast? When do the raiders pick?logic be damned.... these are important questions for this debate

He is big. Listed at 6'4", 207. I'm not sure what his 40 time is but he plays plenty fast.

 

[Chaos Commish]

Jurb, we generally agree on this stuff, even when we're mostly alone and sometimes wrong, but I think you're not addressing the chance he comes back and get hurts. My stand, after years of watching some come out that shouldn't and some stay that shouldn't have, is that it all depends on the grade handed down by the NFLPA's draft board which starts happening in late December (and even they blow it pretty badly sometimes). Anyway, given a round 1 grade, which should be a slam dunk for Dez, I think he needs to declare. He went to school to get a good job, and mission accomplished. The risk is too great to try to make it a top 10 grade, imo. I even extend that loosely to a day one grade if it is solid.

I understand the problems with this particular case. Missing so much time this year will downgrade him some, no doubt. But what if he had a bad year the remainder of this year or blew out a knee? This is all a crap shoot. I think missing so much of the season delays NFL development, btw. I also think a year in an NFL system is better development, better coaching, better for the long term prospects of a prospect. Is Dez Bryant going to become a better football player at OSU as a senior or in, I dunno, Chicago, New England, Jacksonville? I think all of them provide better learning and development opportunities than college. jmho

 

[corpcow]

Is he big and/or fast? When do the raiders pick?logic be damned.... these are important questions for this debate

He is big. Listed at 6'4", 207. I'm not sure what his 40 time is but he plays plenty fast.

Right. And assuming he tests well with the 40, I'll ask again: do the Raiders pick in the top 10?

 

[Hoss_Cartwright]

I think your "gaurantee" diminishes your credibility. Both guys are top shelf prospects. It would be close either way. I happen to think Green would rate higher but it's no slam dunk.

And what diminishes your credibility is saying you think it would be wise for a guy who is the consensus No. 1 WR and a top 5-15 overall pick in the last year potentially before a rookie salary cap to go back for another year of college.

We still don't know if they cap will be there or not. If it is, then he should come out no question. I don't think he will be a top 10 pick though. Likely in the 15-20 range which is a fall from where he could be picked if he goes back to school.

I hope he does get drafted in the latter part of Rd 1. That means he will go to a better team

 

[BeTheMatch]

SYRACUSE, N.Y. - Syracuse coach Doug Marrone said goodbye to his star receiver and defended his starting quarterback Monday.

Mike Williams, the Big East's leading receiver, quit the team. He had 49 catches for 746 yards and six touchdowns.

 

[tdmills]

Is Demarco Murray out of the discussion this upcoming draft?

No RB is really running away with it here.

He is averaging 4.7 a carry and should finish over 1,000, but also has caught 23 receptions so far.