2010 Rookie Draft Picks, Looking Ahead! (1 Viewer)

[Childress]

Overall do you feel this will be a weak RB/WR class?

 

[EBF]

Is Demarco Murray out of the discussion this upcoming draft?No RB is really running away with it here.He is averaging 4.7 a carry and should finish over 1,000, but also has caught 23 receptions so far.

I never really thought he was in the discussion. I don't think his game translates very well to the NFL. If some team picks him in the top 100 then maybe I'll reconsider.

 

[EBF]

Overall do you feel this will be a weak RB/WR class?

I think it will be about average when all is said and done.

 

[Chaos Commish]

Overall do you feel this will be a weak RB/WR class?

I think it will be about average when all is said and done.

Agreed. Reading some here and elsewhere, it seems like this group is being underestimated a bit but that could just be me. On Dez Bryant. I'm not going to argue much with anyone's strong opinions because WRs are squirrelly. I don't see how you can be so sure one. Did you not strongly prefer Jarrett and Meachem to Rice? You spoke of Malcolm Kelly like you speak of Bryant, but your opinion of Desean Jackson faded, remember? I'm not finger pointing. We all miss on WRs. You probably do better than most. I dunno. Dez could bust, so could Green. Julio could be TO without the headaches. When one of you measurable analyzers develops a metric for what's going on and will later be going on between a prospect's ears, I'll be interested. Until then you're rolling dice. Green and Bryant have ability that translates to the next level. What they do with it, nobody can be sure of at this point.

 

[EBF]

Overall do you feel this will be a weak RB/WR class?

I think it will be about average when all is said and done.

Agreed. Reading some here and elsewhere, it seems like this group is being underestimated a bit but that could just be me. On Dez Bryant. I'm not going to argue much with anyone's strong opinions because WRs are squirrelly. I don't see how you can be so sure one. Did you not strongly prefer Jarrett and Meachem to Rice? You spoke of Malcolm Kelly like you speak of Bryant, but your opinion of Desean Jackson faded, remember? I'm not finger pointing. We all miss on WRs. You probably do better than most. I dunno. Dez could bust, so could Green. Julio could be TO without the headaches. When one of you measurable analyzers develops a metric for what's going on and will later be going on between a prospect's ears, I'll be interested. Until then you're rolling dice. Green and Bryant have ability that translates to the next level. What they do with it, nobody can be sure of at this point.

I like to think I get better at this every year. Seeing who has succeeded and who has flopped has helped me learn what to look for. I feel confident in my assessment of Bryant. Assuming good health and decent effort, he won't be any less than Dwayne Bowe.

 

[coolnerd]

Overall do you feel this will be a weak RB/WR class?

I think it will be about average when all is said and done.

Right now, I think that it is slightly below average, but not terrible at RB. would not surprise me to see only 1 or 2 first rounders with a decent (more than 2009) amount of 2nd/3rd rounders. At WR, thinking 3 maybe 4 first rounders, but the overall depth is missing. My perception will change as we weed through the big school fruads and small school "risers." On the other stuff, my mid season assessment is that it will be a Strong IDP (both LBer and DE) draft. QBs will be abvove average, but you better understand what you are looking at as the "name" players are probably overrated and mid-level guys ae underrated at this point. TE is seems good again w/o the pure depth that 2009 had. Safety look above average and CB looks below, as I am not sure that there is a complete prospect at corner.

 

[EBF]

Jahvid Best down. Looks like it could be a serious head/neck/spine injury.

 

[Steed]

Jahvid Best down. Looks like it could be a serious head/neck/spine injury.

Scary fall. He must have been 8 ft high when he came down on his back.

 

[D'OHtis]

That fall by Best was very scary looking.

 

[CalBear]

It was scary. The place was dead quiet for 10+ minutes. Reports are that it was "just" a concussion. Best had a mild concussion last week (which wasn't diagnosed until practice this week), so may have been more susceptible to another one. Here's hoping he'll have a full recovery. Shame that such a spectacular play had to end so badly.

 

[D'OHtis]

Players really need to stop hurdling period. Not only are you more susceptible to fumbling, but also very serious injury. I think I see the Bengals Brian Leonard do it every time he touches the ball [which ain't often].

Glad to hear Best is ok. Could of ended a lot worse.

 

[awesomeness]

Players really need to stop hurdling period. Not only are you more susceptible to fumbling, but also very serious injury. I think I see the Bengals Brian Leonard do it every time he touches the ball [which ain't often].

Glad to hear Best is ok. Could of ended a lot worse.

Hurdling makes sense when the player is trying to get an extra yard or so for a first down or when you are trying to jump over the defender into the endzone. Best just had bad luck.

 

[basher]

Players really need to stop hurdling period. Not only are you more susceptible to fumbling, but also very serious injury. I think I see the Bengals Brian Leonard do it every time he touches the ball [which ain't often].

Glad to hear Best is ok. Could of ended a lot worse.

Hurdling makes sense when the player is trying to get an extra yard or so for a first down or when you are trying to jump over the defender into the endzone. Best just had bad luck.

Most of the jumping that is done now is really unnecessary and just a simple lowering of the shoulder would achieve the same yardage. Best was at the one at full speed against a couple defenders peeling off ... i know he isn't big but he could have powered his way into the endzone easily without the jump.

 

[TitusIII]

Bad news for Best, the Cal Bears, and his NFL prospects, imo...

Best has certainly bulked up quite a bit since the day he stepped on campus, but I'm still far from sold on his ability to stay on the field at the next level. I'm thinking he has a Sproles-esque career, at best...

I hope I'm wrong, because he is the most electrifying back in the up-coming class, imo...apologies to Spiller, simply not a fan of the way CJ avoids contact(although it's probably wise for him to do from a bottom line standpoint)

 

[JohnnyU]

Bad news for Best, the Cal Bears, and his NFL prospects, imo...

I thought I read he was ok? Also, not taking concussions ligltly, but for FF purposes it's better than a knee.

 

[D'OHtis]

Players really need to stop hurdling period. Not only are you more susceptible to fumbling, but also very serious injury. I think I see the Bengals Brian Leonard do it every time he touches the ball [which ain't often].

Glad to hear Best is ok. Could of ended a lot worse.

Hurdling makes sense when the player is trying to get an extra yard or so for a first down or when you are trying to jump over the defender into the endzone. Best just had bad luck.

Hurdling never makes sense. Hopefully this Best situation gets those that still do it to stop. Lower your shoulder and get the same yardage.

 

[awesomeness]

Players really need to stop hurdling period. Not only are you more susceptible to fumbling, but also very serious injury. I think I see the Bengals Brian Leonard do it every time he touches the ball [which ain't often].

Glad to hear Best is ok. Could of ended a lot worse.

Hurdling makes sense when the player is trying to get an extra yard or so for a first down or when you are trying to jump over the defender into the endzone. Best just had bad luck.

Hurdling never makes sense. Hopefully this Best situation gets those that still do it to stop. Lower your shoulder and get the same yardage.

You do realize that not every back is 6'1 220lbs. If the small backs started lowering their shoulder every play they would get injured just as easily if they would have hurdled.

 

[CalBear]

Bad news for Best, the Cal Bears, and his NFL prospects, imo...

I thought I read he was ok? Also, not taking concussions ligltly, but for FF purposes it's better than a knee.

Best was released from the hospital and appears to not have suffered any long-term injury. He'll miss at least one game and they'll assess his recovery to see if he'll be able to play again this season. It at least seems like he won't have any life consequences from the fall.And please note, it makes absolutely no sense to bring up his size in relation to this injury. He fell on his head, which could happen to any back of any size.Also, if you want to get on young RBs for hurdling, you'll have to take it up with Walter Payton who popularized it. It's not some new-school thing.

 

[JohnnyU]

Bad news for Best, the Cal Bears, and his NFL prospects, imo...

I thought I read he was ok? Also, not taking concussions ligltly, but for FF purposes it's better than a knee.

Best was released from the hospital and appears to not have suffered any long-term injury. He'll miss at least one game and they'll assess his recovery to see if he'll be able to play again this season. It at least seems like he won't have any life consequences from the fall.And please note, it makes absolutely no sense to bring up his size in relation to this injury. He fell on his head, which could happen to any back of any size.

Also, if you want to get on young RBs for hurdling, you'll have to take it up with Walter Payton who popularized it. It's not some new-school thing.

I don't think you meant to reply to me with this. I didn't have anything to say regarding him hurdling or the size of Best. If anything I'm with you on this matter.

 

[CalBear]

Bad news for Best, the Cal Bears, and his NFL prospects, imo...

I thought I read he was ok? Also, not taking concussions ligltly, but for FF purposes it's better than a knee.

Best was released from the hospital and appears to not have suffered any long-term injury. He'll miss at least one game and they'll assess his recovery to see if he'll be able to play again this season. It at least seems like he won't have any life consequences from the fall.And please note, it makes absolutely no sense to bring up his size in relation to this injury. He fell on his head, which could happen to any back of any size.

Also, if you want to get on young RBs for hurdling, you'll have to take it up with Walter Payton who popularized it. It's not some new-school thing.

I don't think you meant to reply to me with this. I didn't have anything to say regarding him hurdling or the size of Best. If anything I'm with you on this matter.

Wasn't singling you out; I was responding to you on Best being OK, and to others on the other comments.

 

[el centro]

Can anyone offer any feedback on either of these guys:

Ryan Matthews - Fresno State, Jr., RB, 5-11, 220

Bet Tate - Auburn, Sr., RB; 5-11, 218

Matthews is leading NCAA in rushing, and Tate is 4th/5th. Both have good size & are draft eligible. I've not had a chance to see either play. Do you see either or both being a top back in the NFL, or a top pick come April?

Who are considered the top Draft-eligible RBs in this class? Best's injury looked pretty bad on Saturday, and he seems to me to be a Reggie Bush type RB. I know Mark Ingram is the talk of the rankings, but is not eligible this year. J.Dwyer of GT seems to be a beast, but the bigger backs seem to have a hard time staying healthy in the NFL.

 

[Multiple Scores]

What are we looking at here for a simple top 5 in a non PPR? This class doesn't excite me but who is #1 - #5. Is there a clear #1 this year in a RB heavy league. Just guessing it would be 1. Dwyer 2. Spiller 3. Dez 4. ? 5. ? Thoughts? I'm starting to wonder if Spiller is the cream of the crop?

 

[BeTheMatch]

1. Bryant

2. Spiller

3. Dwyer

4. Matthews

5. Best

 

[TitusIII]

Dwyer is the best, by a very large margin. Spiller and Best are probably best suited for 3rd down duties...

Of course, a back or two may sneak into some PT next season, but Dwyer is the only sure thing, imo...

 

[jurb26]

Dwyer is the best, by a very large margin. Spiller and Best are probably best suited for 3rd down duties...Of course, a back or two may sneak into some PT next season, but Dwyer is the only sure thing, imo...

Matthews is better than Dwyer.

 

[Iron_Far]

SYRACUSE, N.Y. - Syracuse coach Doug Marrone said goodbye to his star receiver and defended his starting quarterback Monday.Mike Williams, the Big East's leading receiver, quit the team. He had 49 catches for 746 yards and six touchdowns.

Was having a very nice season too.2 weeks after the fact and noone has anymore info on this?

 

[BeTheMatch]

SYRACUSE, N.Y. - Syracuse coach Doug Marrone said goodbye to his star receiver and defended his starting quarterback Monday.Mike Williams, the Big East's leading receiver, quit the team. He had 49 catches for 746 yards and six touchdowns.

Was having a very nice season too.2 weeks after the fact and noone has anymore info on this?

He was going to be suspended in connection with academics, so he just quit.

 

[strong]

Dwyer is the best, by a very large margin. Spiller and Best are probably best suited for 3rd down duties...Of course, a back or two may sneak into some PT next season, but Dwyer is the only sure thing, imo...

i thought that going into the season, but spiller has impressed me a little so far. i have the number one over all next year and will likely take dwyer but i think it's a toss up between the too. it'll likely come down to situation--and with many teams in need of rb production, there's a lot of good situations out there. one thing to look at though: a lot of draftnicks have been putting spiller in the mid-late 1st round category and dwyer is early 2d in most early projections... before the year, dwyer was the #1 rb on most people's boards. i'm not too sure why dwyer has slipped from top rb since he's continued to produce... i guess everyone's giving a lot of consideration to dwyer's game vs. miami and spiller's vs. fla state?

 

[Dave Larkin]

Matt Waldman mentioned a back I am quite high on in his column this week - Toby Gerhart. Waldman compared him to Jamal Lewis and I think that's a fair comparison. I haven't had a chance to watch the kid play, but the highlights I've seen of him have shown him to be a very capable back. He'll be labelled a power back, and rightfully so, but like Jamal Lewis in his prime, Gerhart has surprisingly good feet and burst. He's a guy I'm keeping a close eye on. With the way Stanford are performing, the nation should get a chance to see him in a bowl game.

 

[offdee]

Dwyer is the best, by a very large margin. Spiller and Best are probably best suited for 3rd down duties...Of course, a back or two may sneak into some PT next season, but Dwyer is the only sure thing, imo...

i thought that going into the season, but spiller has impressed me a little so far. i have the number one over all next year and will likely take dwyer but i think it's a toss up between the too. it'll likely come down to situation--and with many teams in need of rb production, there's a lot of good situations out there. one thing to look at though: a lot of draftnicks have been putting spiller in the mid-late 1st round category and dwyer is early 2d in most early projections... before the year, dwyer was the #1 rb on most people's boards. i'm not too sure why dwyer has slipped from top rb since he's continued to produce... i guess everyone's giving a lot of consideration to dwyer's game vs. miami and spiller's vs. fla state?

Spiller will have increased NFL value due to his special team return skills and X factor possibility so will most likely be drafted higher. (ala Ted Ginn Jr, Percy Harvin, Devin Hester etc. when drafted) Dwyer will be the better pure NFL Running Back.

 

[EBF]

Dexter McCluster having a monster day for Ole Miss. He could be an interesting prospect at WR in this draft, but he's quite small at 5'7" an 170 pounds.

 

[BeTheMatch]

Spiller will have increased NFL value due to his special team return skills and X factor possibility so will most likely be drafted higher. (ala Ted Ginn Jr, Percy Harvin, Devin Hester etc. when drafted) Dwyer will be the better pure NFL Running Back.

Oh, good, then that's settled.

 

[footballguy#1]

Dexter McCluster having a monster day for Ole Miss. He could be an interesting prospect at WR in this draft, but he's quite small at 5'7" an 170 pounds.

Looked like Chris Johnson today.

 

[D'OHtis]

Spiller will have increased NFL value due to his special team return skills and X factor possibility so will most likely be drafted higher. (ala Ted Ginn Jr, Percy Harvin, Devin Hester etc. when drafted) Dwyer will be the better pure NFL Running Back.

Oh, good, then that's settled.

Turn the tool factor way down. Offdee brings up a great point. I have Spiller ranked #1 in this class. I do think he does come with far greater fantasy risk than Dwyer [who has a great NFL RB power/speed build ala J.Stewart & M.Turner]. The situation they find themselves drafted to will be the deciding factor between the two IMO.

 

[BeTheMatch]

Spiller will have increased NFL value due to his special team return skills and X factor possibility so will most likely be drafted higher. (ala Ted Ginn Jr, Percy Harvin, Devin Hester etc. when drafted) Dwyer will be the better pure NFL Running Back.

Oh, good, then that's settled.

Turn the tool factor way down.

Or what, you'll go all Internet Tough Guy on me?

 

[No Way Jose]

Dexter McCluster having a monster day for Ole Miss. He could be an interesting prospect at WR in this draft, but he's quite small at 5'7" an 170 pounds.

Looked like Chris Johnson today.

I said the same thing to my buddy. McCluster just made him himself a lot of money at the draft this year. He will likely have the fastest combine#, and he put those numbers on an NFL style Defense like Tennessee. If he puts on some weight and can stay healthy, watch out. He will climb the draft board, and I see him being a great late first/early second rookie draft pick up.

 

[Cookiemonster]

Spiller will have increased NFL value due to his special team return skills and X factor possibility so will most likely be drafted higher. (ala Ted Ginn Jr, Percy Harvin, Devin Hester etc. when drafted) Dwyer will be the better pure NFL Running Back.

Oh, good, then that's settled.

Turn the tool factor way down.

Or what, you'll go all Internet Tough Guy on me?

Would you prefer he said "please?"

 

[Chaos Commish]

I love McCluster. One of my favorite players in the draft. He's had the most memorably explosive moments in NCAAF this year, and I have no idea what he did today (been working), BUT he will be drafted as a WR, not an RB, much like Dante Hall. Anybody remember Dante playing RB in college? He was a freak. I watched him get over 300 yards rushing one game.

 

[strong]

Spiller will have increased NFL value due to his special team return skills and X factor possibility so will most likely be drafted higher. (ala Ted Ginn Jr, Percy Harvin, Devin Hester etc. when drafted) Dwyer will be the better pure NFL Running Back.

Oh, good, then that's settled.

Turn the tool factor way down.

Or what, you'll go all Internet Tough Guy on me?

doooood. seriously. he was responding to a comment noting that spiller seems to be higher on many draft boards but dwyer is having a better rb season. you sound like a goob

 

[No Way Jose]

I love McCluster. One of my favorite players in the draft. He's had the most memorably explosive moments in NCAAF this year, and I have no idea what he did today (been working), BUT he will be drafted as a WR, not an RB, much like Dante Hall. Anybody remember Dante playing RB in college? He was a freak. I watched him get over 300 yards rushing one game.

McCluster did this today, he will be all over the field in the nfl.

 

[Chaos Commish]

I love McCluster. One of my favorite players in the draft. He's had the most memorably explosive moments in NCAAF this year, and I have no idea what he did today (been working), BUT he will be drafted as a WR, not an RB, much like Dante Hall. Anybody remember Dante playing RB in college? He was a freak. I watched him get over 300 yards rushing one game.

McCluster did this today, he will be all over the field in the nfl.

Wow. I am really sorry I missed that. He is freaking sudden through a lane. I think he looks like a miniature Dorsett slicing through traffic, but with better moves, like Dante, almost. Hall was awesome at RB. Might have been in the NFL too if not for Priest, Larry and him being so small they didn't give him much of a shot. It was hi s natural position, like McCluster, but at least Dexter has played a lot of WR. I hope whoever takes him is smart enough to use him.

 

[Unwrittenlaw]

Gerhart just ran 178 yards 3 TD's on USC. Difficult to do imo. What does everyone think about him at the next level?

 

[EBF]

Matt Waldman mentioned a back I am quite high on in his column this week - Toby Gerhart. Waldman compared him to Jamal Lewis and I think that's a fair comparison. I haven't had a chance to watch the kid play, but the highlights I've seen of him have shown him to be a very capable back. He'll be labelled a power back, and rightfully so, but like Jamal Lewis in his prime, Gerhart has surprisingly good feet and burst. He's a guy I'm keeping a close eye on. With the way Stanford are performing, the nation should get a chance to see him in a bowl game.

I've seen him in person a couple times the past two seasons and also watched some of his games on TV. He's really having a great year. He put up 200+ rushing yards against Oregon and 170+ against USC. You can't ask for much more than that. Part of his success is the result of great play by the offensive line and quarterback, but you also have to give Toby lots of credit. The kid is a beast. He has better speed than you'd expect and his power is pretty impressive. He never goes down on first contact and always seems to drive forward for extra yards.I think Jamal Lewis is a good comparison in terms of body type, playing style, and skill set. Toby probably isn't quite as athletic and he's not quite as big, but he's a similar prospect. North-south runner. Limited jukes, but decent footwork and cutting ability. Won't create much behind the line of scrimmage, but if you give him a seam he's dangerous. He gets to top speed quickly and can make slashing cuts in the second level. I think he would be nice value as a 3rd-4th round pick situational RB. We'll see how he tests at the combine.

 

[Iron_Far]

SYRACUSE, N.Y. - Syracuse coach Doug Marrone said goodbye to his star receiver and defended his starting quarterback Monday.Mike Williams, the Big East's leading receiver, quit the team. He had 49 catches for 746 yards and six touchdowns.

Was having a very nice season too.2 weeks after the fact and noone has anymore info on this?

He was going to be suspended in connection with academics, so he just quit.

Yeah, I saw it was over academics, just surprised there wasn't more made out of it; can't believe it was this easily swept under the rug.I saw two Syracuse games this year, and I was ready to anoint him WR #2, right behind Bryant.

 

[el centro]

Matt Waldman mentioned a back I am quite high on in his column this week - Toby Gerhart. Waldman compared him to Jamal Lewis and I think that's a fair comparison. I haven't had a chance to watch the kid play, but the highlights I've seen of him have shown him to be a very capable back. He'll be labelled a power back, and rightfully so, but like Jamal Lewis in his prime, Gerhart has surprisingly good feet and burst. He's a guy I'm keeping a close eye on. With the way Stanford are performing, the nation should get a chance to see him in a bowl game.

Monster day today... 178-yds rushing & 3 TDs against USC's Def! Nice...

 

[Frank Costanza's Lawyer]

Bump this thread based on its mention in another.

How far has Benn's stock fallen? On the year he's 36 for 429 and 2 TDs (one on a run) with zero 100 yards games.

 

[jdswan922]

I really like what I have seen from Golden Tate this year. If/when Weis is gone, do you think the ND players will declare or stick around and see what they can do with a new coach? Between Clausen, Tate, & Floyd, they may have the best passing offense in the country. If Tate declares, is he a 1st rounder?

 

[MAC_32]

TO-BY TO-BY TO-BY TO-BY!

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

If/when Weis is gone, do you think the ND players will declare or stick around and see what they can do with a new coach?

Every junior with talent is declaring. Between Sam Bradford's injury and the labor situation in the NFL, nobody is hanging around.

 

[Brewzers]

If/when Weis is gone, do you think the ND players will declare or stick around and see what they can do with a new coach?

Every junior with talent is declaring. Between Sam Bradford's injury and the labor situation in the NFL, nobody is hanging around.

I see it this way too. I'm stock piling picks and its easy, cuz most think its a weak class.