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Capella

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Needs (in order, as there are so many)

-Revamped defensive line (only 1 starter on the roster at the moment; Roy Miller)

-Wide receiver (Bryant and Clayton likely allowed to walk, Sammie Stroughter only reliable guy on roster)

-Safety to replace Sabby Piscatelli (likely will be Eric Berry if McCoy doesn't fall)

-Cornerback to eventually replace Ronde Barber (probably his final year; Elbert Mack not going to cut it)

-Running back with speed (Caddy, Ward and Graham are all the same back, essentially)

-SLB to compete with Quincy Black (he was only average this year; probably won't develop into much more than that)

-MLB to compete with Barrett Ruud, or let him walk (makes a lot of tackles, but gets shoved around a tremendous amount, can't stop the run well enough)

-LG to compete with Zuttah or Aaron Sears (Zuttah was streamrolled; Sears lost his mind)

Other than that, they're great! :sadbanana:

 
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Hi Capella! Just wanted to start this thread off right...

The Bucs are a much better 0-0 team than they were at this time last year! :sadbanana:

 
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Needs (in order, as there are so many)

-Revamped defensive line (only 1 starter on the roster at the moment; Roy Miller)

-Wide receiver (Bryant and Clayton likely allowed to walk, Sammie Stroughter only reliable guy on roster)

-Safety to replace Sabby Piscatelli (likely will be Eric Berry if McCoy doesn't fall)

-Cornerback to eventually replace Ronde Barber (probably his final year; Elbert Mack not going to cut it)

-Running back with speed (Caddy, Ward and Graham are all the same back, essentially)

-SLB to compete with Quincy Black (he was only average this year; probably won't develop into much more than that)

-MLB to compete with Barrett Ruud, or let him walk (makes a lot of tackles, but gets shoved around a tremendous amount, can't stop the run well enough)

-LG to compete with Zuttah or Aaron Sears (Zuttah was streamrolled; Sears lost his mind)

Other than that, they're great! :shrug:
What are your thoughts as a TB homer on his potential?
 
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Needs (in order, as there are so many)

-Revamped defensive line (only 1 starter on the roster at the moment; Roy Miller)

-Wide receiver (Bryant and Clayton likely allowed to walk, Sammie Stroughter only reliable guy on roster)

-Safety to replace Sabby Piscatelli (likely will be Eric Berry if McCoy doesn't fall)

-Cornerback to eventually replace Ronde Barber (probably his final year; Elbert Mack not going to cut it)

-Running back with speed (Caddy, Ward and Graham are all the same back, essentially)

-SLB to compete with Quincy Black (he was only average this year; probably won't develop into much more than that)

-MLB to compete with Barrett Ruud, or let him walk (makes a lot of tackles, but gets shoved around a tremendous amount, can't stop the run well enough)

-LG to compete with Zuttah or Aaron Sears (Zuttah was streamrolled; Sears lost his mind)

Other than that, they're great! :shrug:
What are your thoughts as a TB homer on his potential?
A lot of people here locally like to pigeonhole guys into slots, so all they see with Stroughter is an Ike Hilliard-type.A lot of people here aren't smart.

I see a terrific route runner with very good hands (I'm sure he dropped a few this year, but I sure as hell don't remember any) with good speed after the catch. I'm not going to say he's going to be a sure-fire #1, but I definitely see a lot of potential.

 
I know you guys want a DT or Berry, but would you be open to Dez Bryant?
He would be a great fit, but I doubt #3 is the spot for him. Maybe if they are able to trade down, but that's always difficult. Some have floated the idea of trading down to #6 with Seattle, if they fall in love with Bradford, since conventional wisdom has Washington taking him at #4.
 
Seems like a million years ago since you knew every play Oakland was gonna run in the Super Bowl.
Can't help it you guys had an idiot head coach. :shrug:Past two years before this they went 9-7 and won the division once. 2009 was a disaster, but it hasn't exactly been a Cleveland Browns/Oakland Raiders level of suckdom here. Hopefully the bounce-back is quick.
 
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Needs (in order, as there are so many)

-Revamped defensive line (only 1 starter on the roster at the moment; Roy Miller)

-Wide receiver (Bryant and Clayton likely allowed to walk, Sammie Stroughter only reliable guy on roster)

-Safety to replace Sabby Piscatelli (likely will be Eric Berry if McCoy doesn't fall)

-Cornerback to eventually replace Ronde Barber (probably his final year; Elbert Mack not going to cut it)

-Running back with speed (Caddy, Ward and Graham are all the same back, essentially)

-SLB to compete with Quincy Black (he was only average this year; probably won't develop into much more than that)

-MLB to compete with Barrett Ruud, or let him walk (makes a lot of tackles, but gets shoved around a tremendous amount, can't stop the run well enough)

-LG to compete with Zuttah or Aaron Sears (Zuttah was streamrolled; Sears lost his mind)

Other than that, they're great! :shrug:
What are your thoughts as a TB homer on his potential?
A lot of people here locally like to pigeonhole guys into slots, so all they see with Stroughter is an Ike Hilliard-type.A lot of people here aren't smart.

I see a terrific route runner with very good hands (I'm sure he dropped a few this year, but I sure as hell don't remember any) with good speed after the catch. I'm not going to say he's going to be a sure-fire #1, but I definitely see a lot of potential.
Thanks, always nice to hear the opinion of someone who sees these guys on a regular basis. From the limited amount of time I saw Tampa Bay play, Freeman looked like a gamer to me. It will be interesting to follow his development. Add Berry to that defense, and that is a huge upgrade for the other side of the ball as well.
 
:bag:

Needs (in order, as there are so many)

-Revamped defensive line (only 1 starter on the roster at the moment; Roy Miller)

-Wide receiver (Bryant and Clayton likely allowed to walk, Sammie Stroughter only reliable guy on roster)

-Safety to replace Sabby Piscatelli (likely will be Eric Berry if McCoy doesn't fall)

-Cornerback to eventually replace Ronde Barber (probably his final year; Elbert Mack not going to cut it)

-Running back with speed (Caddy, Ward and Graham are all the same back, essentially)

-SLB to compete with Quincy Black (he was only average this year; probably won't develop into much more than that)

-MLB to compete with Barrett Ruud, or let him walk (makes a lot of tackles, but gets shoved around a tremendous amount, can't stop the run well enough)

-LG to compete with Zuttah or Aaron Sears (Zuttah was streamrolled; Sears lost his mind)

Other than that, they're great! :shrug:
What are your thoughts as a TB homer on his potential?
A lot of people here locally like to pigeonhole guys into slots, so all they see with Stroughter is an Ike Hilliard-type.A lot of people here aren't smart.

I see a terrific route runner with very good hands (I'm sure he dropped a few this year, but I sure as hell don't remember any) with good speed after the catch. I'm not going to say he's going to be a sure-fire #1, but I definitely see a lot of potential.
Thanks, always nice to hear the opinion of someone who sees these guys on a regular basis. From the limited amount of time I saw Tampa Bay play, Freeman looked like a gamer to me. It will be interesting to follow his development. Add Berry to that defense, and that is a huge upgrade for the other side of the ball as well.
Yea, I believe Freeman is going to be pretty good. People forget (or for those who don't follow closely, they didn't know) that he got almost zero training-camp reps last year. Those, brilliantly, went to Luke McCown and Byron Leftwich in their epic battle for the starter's job that Byron held for two weeks. Then Josh Johnson got his reps. Then Free got his. So he went into the season with almost no work with his teammates.All things considered, he did a really good job. Led them to 3 wins, and two other games where he led them to leads in the final minute (literally) against Atlanta and Miami...that the defense blew.

Adding Berry alone makes the defense significantly better, and they were pretty decent when they went back to the Tampa Two around week 10.

 
So, we just need to target all 3 levels of the defense and the skill positions on offense and everything will be right as rain! :lmao:

What happened to Sabby?

If FA doesn't provide a spark for fans, hopefully they make a splash in the draft somehow...

 
Good thing we have tons of money to spend... At least bring in some people for visits or something. It's pretty bad when your GM gets on the local radio on the opening of FA to shoot down rumors of our interest in top FA.

 
Malcolm Glazer Richest NFC South OwnerMarch 15th, 2010This should get the masses irritated.On the heels of learning the Bucs are tied for the lowest payroll in the NFL comes word that Bucs owner Malcolm Glazer is the richest of the four NFC South owners.Listy Forbes compiled another list (shocking!) documenting the world’s most monied people. The Glazer Family, again, per Forbes, has slightly more cash than Joe, via Vacation Man of BSPN.com.Glazer and his family are tied for 400th with a net worth of $2.4 billion. For context, Oprah Winfrey is one of the people the Glazers are tied with.Joe’s guessing the comments field on this post will reach double-digits rather quickly.
They are just being stingy with their money.
 
Malcolm Glazer Richest NFC South OwnerMarch 15th, 2010This should get the masses irritated.On the heels of learning the Bucs are tied for the lowest payroll in the NFL comes word that Bucs owner Malcolm Glazer is the richest of the four NFC South owners.Listy Forbes compiled another list (shocking!) documenting the world’s most monied people. The Glazer Family, again, per Forbes, has slightly more cash than Joe, via Vacation Man of BSPN.com.Glazer and his family are tied for 400th with a net worth of $2.4 billion. For context, Oprah Winfrey is one of the people the Glazers are tied with.Joe’s guessing the comments field on this post will reach double-digits rather quickly.
They are just being stingy with their money.
What's the latest on the ManU purchase bid, after Beckham's protest?
 
QUEZILLA said:
Malcolm Glazer Richest NFC South OwnerMarch 15th, 2010This should get the masses irritated.On the heels of learning the Bucs are tied for the lowest payroll in the NFL comes word that Bucs owner Malcolm Glazer is the richest of the four NFC South owners.Listy Forbes compiled another list (shocking!) documenting the world’s most monied people. The Glazer Family, again, per Forbes, has slightly more cash than Joe, via Vacation Man of BSPN.com.Glazer and his family are tied for 400th with a net worth of $2.4 billion. For context, Oprah Winfrey is one of the people the Glazers are tied with.Joe’s guessing the comments field on this post will reach double-digits rather quickly.
They are just being stingy with their money.
As bad as they are it doesn't make much sense to spend on free agents right now. There's a reason why the Glazers are so rich. They're good businessmen. The NFL is a business. If they trade a couple early picks and sign an aging player like Anquan Boldin they are flat out wasting 7 million dollars a year and hampering the franchise even more. The Bucs aren't one or two players away from a championship.The youth movement/rebuilding phase the Bucs are in is headed in the right direction. When these players develop chemistry together and start playing well then make a splash in free agency to put the franchise over the top for a few runs deep in the playoffs.As fans we need to understand this and just support the team.
 
QUEZILLA said:
Malcolm Glazer Richest NFC South OwnerMarch 15th, 2010This should get the masses irritated.On the heels of learning the Bucs are tied for the lowest payroll in the NFL comes word that Bucs owner Malcolm Glazer is the richest of the four NFC South owners.Listy Forbes compiled another list (shocking!) documenting the world’s most monied people. The Glazer Family, again, per Forbes, has slightly more cash than Joe, via Vacation Man of BSPN.com.Glazer and his family are tied for 400th with a net worth of $2.4 billion. For context, Oprah Winfrey is one of the people the Glazers are tied with.Joe’s guessing the comments field on this post will reach double-digits rather quickly.
They are just being stingy with their money.
As bad as they are it doesn't make much sense to spend on free agents right now. There's a reason why the Glazers are so rich. They're good businessmen. The NFL is a business. If they trade a couple early picks and sign an aging player like Anquan Boldin they are flat out wasting 7 million dollars a year and hampering the franchise even more. The Bucs aren't one or two players away from a championship.The youth movement/rebuilding phase the Bucs are in is headed in the right direction. When these players develop chemistry together and start playing well then make a splash in free agency to put the franchise over the top for a few runs deep in the playoffs.As fans we need to understand this and just support the team.
I agree, i was just disappointed that our name wasn't mentioned with more FAs. There is nothing wrong with bringing players in to show them the facilities and build relationships. I don't think we needed to land a top FA but why not take a look at a guy like Nate Burleson?Another thing that I thought was ridiculous is how MD was pimping the Reggie Brown signing. He said he could potentially compete for the 1, 2, or 3 WR spot. I realize that is pretty vague but does he honestly think we are going to bring in a guy that wasn't even one of the Eagles top 3 WR and he is going to be our #1???
 
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As fans we need to understand this and just support the team.
I'm a huge Bucs fan but we deserve the right to be critical of our team. When Raheem Morris publicly dares anyone to question the resigning of Michael Clayton after the first game then he sucks the rest of the season I have a problem. Immediately after Gruden got fired Clayton blast the dude and blames him for his career. Then Raheem backs this bum? Besides Claytons actions being completely unprofessional it makes the organization look bad for resigning this bum. Not to mention Clayton making a statement like "the check is already cashed." That's enough of my Clayton ranting for today. :)
 
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QUEZILLA said:
Malcolm Glazer Richest NFC South OwnerMarch 15th, 2010This should get the masses irritated.On the heels of learning the Bucs are tied for the lowest payroll in the NFL comes word that Bucs owner Malcolm Glazer is the richest of the four NFC South owners.Listy Forbes compiled another list (shocking!) documenting the world’s most monied people. The Glazer Family, again, per Forbes, has slightly more cash than Joe, via Vacation Man of BSPN.com.Glazer and his family are tied for 400th with a net worth of $2.4 billion. For context, Oprah Winfrey is one of the people the Glazers are tied with.Joe’s guessing the comments field on this post will reach double-digits rather quickly.
They are just being stingy with their money.
As bad as they are it doesn't make much sense to spend on free agents right now. There's a reason why the Glazers are so rich. They're good businessmen. The NFL is a business. If they trade a couple early picks and sign an aging player like Anquan Boldin they are flat out wasting 7 million dollars a year and hampering the franchise even more. The Bucs aren't one or two players away from a championship.The youth movement/rebuilding phase the Bucs are in is headed in the right direction. When these players develop chemistry together and start playing well then make a splash in free agency to put the franchise over the top for a few runs deep in the playoffs.As fans we need to understand this and just support the team.
I agree, i was just disappointed that our name wasn't mentioned with more FAs. There is nothing wrong with bringing players in to show them the facilities and build relationships. I don't think we needed to land a top FA but why not take a look at a guy like Nate Burleson?
Agents aren't going to allow their clients to come to Tampa without an idea of what the offer will be. If Dom said "just come and see the facilities...we have great beaches" he would get hung up on. Really, is there a major difference between Nate Burleson and Reggie Brown? Neither one is a game-breaker, but one cost 20 million more.
 
QUEZILLA said:
Malcolm Glazer Richest NFC South OwnerMarch 15th, 2010This should get the masses irritated.On the heels of learning the Bucs are tied for the lowest payroll in the NFL comes word that Bucs owner Malcolm Glazer is the richest of the four NFC South owners.Listy Forbes compiled another list (shocking!) documenting the world’s most monied people. The Glazer Family, again, per Forbes, has slightly more cash than Joe, via Vacation Man of BSPN.com.Glazer and his family are tied for 400th with a net worth of $2.4 billion. For context, Oprah Winfrey is one of the people the Glazers are tied with.Joe’s guessing the comments field on this post will reach double-digits rather quickly.
They are just being stingy with their money.
As bad as they are it doesn't make much sense to spend on free agents right now. There's a reason why the Glazers are so rich. They're good businessmen. The NFL is a business. If they trade a couple early picks and sign an aging player like Anquan Boldin they are flat out wasting 7 million dollars a year and hampering the franchise even more. The Bucs aren't one or two players away from a championship.The youth movement/rebuilding phase the Bucs are in is headed in the right direction. When these players develop chemistry together and start playing well then make a splash in free agency to put the franchise over the top for a few runs deep in the playoffs.As fans we need to understand this and just support the team.
Agree with all of this. Well said.People just need to relax. We had a pretty consistent winner for 12 years. Eventually you need to stop and re-build it all.
 
QUEZILLA said:
Malcolm Glazer Richest NFC South OwnerMarch 15th, 2010This should get the masses irritated.On the heels of learning the Bucs are tied for the lowest payroll in the NFL comes word that Bucs owner Malcolm Glazer is the richest of the four NFC South owners.Listy Forbes compiled another list (shocking!) documenting the world’s most monied people. The Glazer Family, again, per Forbes, has slightly more cash than Joe, via Vacation Man of BSPN.com.Glazer and his family are tied for 400th with a net worth of $2.4 billion. For context, Oprah Winfrey is one of the people the Glazers are tied with.Joe’s guessing the comments field on this post will reach double-digits rather quickly.
They are just being stingy with their money.
What's the latest on the ManU purchase bid, after Beckham's protest?
This is all nonsense. Apparently the "Red Knights" group that is trying to organize to buy the Glazers out have anywhere between 40-60 people (nobody knows the exact number) willing to pony up $20 million apiece for the team. It's a ridiculous proposition to think that 50+ people would be able to come together to have any sort of management style that would work, especially after putting up that kind of money.From what I've heard it's all grandstanding from businessmen trying to make a good name for themselves. But I do wish the Glazers would unload ManU.
 
This is all nonsense. Apparently the "Red Knights" group that is trying to organize to buy the Glazers out have anywhere between 40-60 people (nobody knows the exact number) willing to pony up $20 million apiece for the team. It's a ridiculous proposition to think that 50+ people would be able to come together to have any sort of management style that would work, especially after putting up that kind of money.From what I've heard it's all grandstanding from businessmen trying to make a good name for themselves. But I do wish the Glazers would unload ManU.
This is what's coming across in the British press. There's no indication the Glazers want to sell, and little that the 'Red Knights' have the will to seriously try. But a lot of Man U fans do want some sort of ownership change.
 
Nothing wrong with the safety signing but I would have thought they would have waited until after the draft so they could keep other teams guessing on Berry. However, I am basing us considering Berry by a bunch of internet nerds mock drafts.

 
My pops is the member of a club that had Scott Reynolds of PR as a guest speaker today. Here are some of the highlights,

-he actually was Mark Dominicks roommate for a year back in 1995 when they were both getting started in their careers.

-still Bruce Allen would hook him up with more inside content than MD does

-PRs severed ties with 620 are mostly because Duemig has a huge ego

-He thinks Stl is going Bradford

-If by some chance both DT's are gone we may trade with Denver for Marshall

-He thinks Gruden is going to Cleveland after this season

-he puts the Clayton signing directly on MD who made the move after missing out on a few top FA last year

-It's likely every home Bucs game will be blacked out except possibly the Pittsburgh game if they have enough fans buy tickets

-He thinks the Bucs will have interest in Phillip Buchanon along with Washington since BA drafted him

-Reggie Brown will likely be a #3

-Clayton will probably be cut when camp rolls around

-he thinks we should take a look at TO whom should be good for a few years

-we should get a 3rd round compensatory pick for AB

-doesn't think Bears will get a compensatory pick for Gaines next season since Min. didn't get one for Korey Stringer

-he thinks AB is a great WR but hung it up last season

-Tampa media is like junior high

-national people have told him Tampa is a very "stupid football town" meaning the reporters don't know much about football

 
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If the early rumors end up being true about McNabb going to Stl (another post), then we can end our dreams of SUH. :popcorn:

 
Thanks for the post Quez.I'm kinda hoping the Bucs get lucky and Get Suh or move down and get 2 1st rounders (additional one this year or next, along with the lower 1st for this year). Kinda nice having #3 gives you a lot of options.

My pops is the member of a club that had Scott Reynolds of PR as a guest speaker today. Here are some of the highlights,-he actually was Mark Dominicks roommate for a year back in 1995 when they were both getting started in their careers.-still Bruce Allen would hook him up with more inside content than MD does-PRs severed ties with 620 are mostly because Duemig has a huge ego-He thinks Stl is going Bradford-If by some chance both DT's are gone we may trade with Denver for Marshall-He thinks Gruden is going to Cleveland after this season-he puts the Clayton signing directly on MD who made the move after missing out on a few top FA last year-It's likely every home Bucs game will be blacked out except possibly the Pittsburgh game if they have enough fans buy tickets-He thinks the Bucs will have interest in Phillip Buchanon along with Washington since BA drafted him-Reggie Brown will likely be a #3-Clayton will probably be cut when camp rolls around-he thinks we should take a look at TO whom should be good for a few years-we should get a 3rd round compensatory pick for AB-doesn't think Bears will get a compensatory pick for Gaines next season since Min. didn't get one for Korey Stringer -he thinks AB is a great WR but hung it up last season-Tampa media is like junior high-national people have told him Tampa is a very "stupid football town" meaning the reporters don't know much about football
 
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:blackdot:Needs (in order, as there are so many)-Revamped defensive line (only 1 starter on the roster at the moment; Roy Miller)-Wide receiver (Bryant and Clayton likely allowed to walk, Sammie Stroughter only reliable guy on roster)-Safety to replace Sabby Piscatelli (likely will be Eric Berry if McCoy doesn't fall)-Cornerback to eventually replace Ronde Barber (probably his final year; Elbert Mack not going to cut it)
Jeez, they killed three of these in the draft, and signed Jones to replace Sabby. Fantastic draft. People around here should finally be excited. They have an easy schedule. Might not take long to get competitive again.
 
Y'all will love Benn, I just hope you have the QB to get him the ball, as he already had to live through Juice friggin Williams. He will make your WR problems vanish though, think Anquan Boldin...imo

 
http://www.tampabay.com/sports/football/bu...on-mike/1090226

Amid good draft, Tampa Bay Buccaneers take a worthwhile risk on Mike Williams

By Gary Shelton, Times Sports Columnist

Drop a pass, and your teammates will understand. Fumble, and the fans will forgive you. Run toward the wrong direction, and no one is going to blame you.

On the football field, there are only two things that are unforgivable.

You don't cheat.

You don't quit.

Mike Williams, the newest Buc wide receiver, did both. He bailed on his Syracuse teammates. He looked for a shortcut during an exam. He cost himself millions of dollars. He shredded his own reputation.

And despite it all, Williams feels like an acceptable risk for the Bucs.

Yes, there are questions, and yes, there should be concerns. Williams has dug a hole and stuffed his career inside. It will take a lot of catches and a lot of touchdowns before his image is repaired.

That said, Williams is worth a roll of the dice. For a team that needs receivers as badly as the Bucs, Williams is worth the risk of a fourth-round pick.

I know, I know. It would be easy to turn moralist and try to lock any draft choice with a problem outside the building. And if you want to raise your eyes at the selection of Williams, you certainly are allowed.

Still, when a team has a chance to get a player with first-round grades on the third day of a draft, why shouldn't it take it? If Williams turns out to be a good guy who made mistakes, as he would have you believe, then the Bucs have struck gold. If he turns out to be a bad guy, well, the team didn't have a lot invested in him anyway.

Again, he was a fourth-round draft choice. You know who else was a fourth-round draft choice by the Bucs? Alan Zemaitis was. And Austin King. And Lance Nimmo and Jerry Wilson and Rudy Harris. If the Bucs are wrong, they will move on easily enough.

If they are right, however, they have made Josh Freeman a better quarterback.

Also, a giddy one.

"I'm loving these guys, dude," said Freeman, who watched game tape of Williams and second-round pick Arrelious Benn after coaches told him of their interest. "It's awesome. It almost feels like Christmas. It's the first time I didn't do anything and still became a better quarterback."

No wonder Freeman is fired up. Joe Montana was still a young quarterback when Jerry Rice showed up. Dan Marino had a young pair of receivers named Mark Duper and Mark Clayton to grow with. John Elway had the Three Amigos. A lot of quarterbacks have developed their games as their targets developed theirs.

"Ultimately, it's on my shoulders to see how well and how quickly these guys develop," Freeman said. "I was talking with (receiver) Sammie Stroughter. We have to get these guys up to speed."

For months, Bucs fans have shouted for receiver help. Finally, they have it. According to receivers coach Eric Yarborough, Williams was the third-rated receiver on the Bucs' draft board. Benn was fourth. (Dez Bryant and Demaryius Thomas were 1-2.)

"I don't think (Williams) is a gamble at all," said Yarborough, who has coached Terrell Owens and Chad Ochocinco. "We've done a lot of research on him, and we've talked to a lot of people. And we're very comfortable. I've told him: 'There is no need to look in the rearview mirror. Just look through the windshield and go from here.' "

Let's face it: There have been bigger knocks on a guy's character. There have been drug users and spouse abusers and bad characters of every variety. For the Bucs, this falls under the category of "acceptable risk."

So what does the week's draft all mean? It means Freeman won. It means Michael Clayton lost. It means Sabby Piscitelli survived. It means Chris Hovan is likely on the trading block. It means Ryan Sims might as well head to the airport. It means Barrett Ruud won't have to fight off as many offensive guards. It means Jeremy Trueblood can exhale. It means Stylez White is still styling.

But does it mean the Bucs will win substantially more games next year? We'll see. Odds are the Bucs won't get a real boost from this draft until two years, maybe three, down the line.

That said, I have to admit this: I like this draft. Usually, it's a dangerous thing to like a draft because it often leads to feeling foolish down the line. But I love the notion of slowing down opposing running backs. I like getting targets for Freeman. I like the star power of first-round pick Gerald McCoy. I like that out of their first five picks, the team had four of them with first-round grades and one with a second-round grade.

It is doubtful this draft adds up to '95, when the team brought in Warren Sapp and Derrick Brooks. It's hard to imagine it turning out as well as '97, when the team brought in Warrick Dunn and Ronde Barber. But rarely have the Bucs brought in so many players with such high grades.

Someday, this draft, too, could be worth remembering.

Someday, you might think of it as the day the Bucs turned around.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d...mp;confirm=true

Ex-Syracuse WR Williams determined to become 'steal of the draft'

By Steve Wyche | NFL.com

"I guess the people in the NFL want to get the right guy when you look at the wide receiver position."

-- Former Syracuse wide receiver and 2010 draft prospect Mike Williams

Every player enters the NFL with some measure of uncertainty. Rarely has the top end of a position group entered a draft waving as many red flags as the wide receivers of 2010.

Be it character concerns (Dez Bryant), size (Golden Tate), or playing in a non-traditional offense (Demaryius Thomas), this year's crop of receivers has prompted enough reluctance from coaching staffs that only two might be chosen in the first round. While that reticence might seem semi-problematic for guys at one of the NFL's glamour positions, teams could also land big-time value by nabbing a talented pass catcher in the second round or beyond.

Williams might be one of those guys.

"I tell my mom every day that I'm going to be the steal of this draft," Williams said. "I believe in those words. I have a chip on my shoulder. I'm going to prove to people that I'm not this guy that people think I am."

At 6-foot-1 and 221 pounds, Williams has deep-threat speed, imposing strength and red zone prowess, making him the prototype NFL wideout. Double teams don't mean much because he's used to them -- he was Syracuse's No. 1 offensive option -- and he was typically better than anyone trying to defend him. Williams had two monster games last season, against Northwestern (11 catches for 209 yards and two touchdowns) and South Florida (13 for 186 and two TDs). In 29 career games at Syracuse, Williams had 133 receptions for 2,044 yards and 20 touchdowns.

For a time, Williams was viewed as highly as Bryant and Thomas, the probable two first-round wide receivers. Even now, in the eyes of some talent evaluators, Williams has first-round traits.

But Williams won't be selected that high because of self-inflicted wounds that have teams wondering if his on-field potential is negated by off-field concerns. There is a possibility that he could go as high as the second round, but opinions are varied.

Williams was suspended as a junior in 2008 due to academic reasons for allegedly cheating in class. He played in seven games in 2009 but didn't finish the season because, depending on which side is talking, he quit or he was dismissed. Williams said he didn't quit, but had his intentions misunderstood by the coaching staff and was dismissed.

The reasons why don't mean much.

The fact that Williams didn't do what was needed to remain in good standing has some teams on edge, some teams taking him off their draft boards and some teams very interested in his services -- and they haven't been afraid in expressing all those opinions to him.

Williams said he's heard it straight from coaches, general mangers and others on the more than five visits he's taken, including to Tampa Bay and San Diego. His desire for the game has been questioned, which he said is the biggest mistake any team could make.

"I love the game," Williams said. "This is what I do. I love playing football and when people doubt me, that makes me hungrier. Some teams think what they think of me and figure this is who he is. Some of the teams I've (met with), the visits changed their minds and they seem to know the real Mike Williams. It's mixed. Both ways, no matter what, it helps being there and talking with them so they can at least make up their minds speaking to me instead of going on what they heard."

One GM said players like Williams pose an odd dilemma in some draft meetings. Sure, it could end up being a great value getting a quality talent after the first round. But it can also prove to be a mistake if that player proves difficult to coach and brings more negativity to the team than even a late-round pick is worth.

"Each NFL team has different tolerance levels for character risk, so each team will consider the risk/reward involved in each pick," said the GM, whose team is not interested in Williams. "Bottom line: The player must have enough talent or value for the team to assume the risk."

That talent is why Bryant, who played fewer games at Oklahoma State last season (three) than Williams did at Syracuse (seven), will be selected in the first round. He is a game changer and was often times the best player on the field. Questions about his character don't match up to the answers about his ability.

Thomas, at 6-3, 224, also is a likely first rounder, despite playing in an option offense at Georgia Tech where he didn't get many opportunities to catch the ball. A broken foot during training heading into the NFL Scouting Combine hasn't allowed him to showcase himself for scouts, but won't hinder what they've seen on film -- a big-timer who averaged 25 yards per catch last season.

Though he's only 5-10, Tate's overall toughness, collegiate production at Notre Dame, and strength in the return game put him on the fringe of the first round. Same with Illinois receiver Arrelious Benn.

Williams? Nobody knows where he'll go, but he's out to prove to whoever gives him a chance that their investment won't be wasted.

"I want to get the opportunity to play in the National Football League," said Williams, who will watch the draft at his home in Buffalo with his mother and other family members. "It's what I dreamed about. I am going to prove to a lot of people how much this means to me. Some team is going to end up getting the steal of the draft."

 
moderated said:
Tampa killed the draft. Nice future for this team.
Guess I'm the only one not in love with everything they did. They wanted Suh, it was well publicized and they settled for McCoy, to me that's not killing the draft. Benn is not a slam dunk at WR for them either. They have had guys over the past 3-4 seasons pass thru that place, what makes Benn a sure thing?I would temper the enthusiasm some. Just because Pete Prisco gave it an A+, I wouyldn't get that thrilled just yet.
 
moderated said:
Tampa killed the draft. Nice future for this team.
Guess I'm the only one not in love with everything they did. They wanted Suh, it was well publicized and they settled for McCoy, to me that's not killing the draft. Benn is not a slam dunk at WR for them either. They have had guys over the past 3-4 seasons pass thru that place, what makes Benn a sure thing?I would temper the enthusiasm some. Just because Pete Prisco gave it an A+, I wouyldn't get that thrilled just yet.
The sexy pick was Suh, but McCoy fits their defense better. I think that they got 2 good receivers. They are still need some pieces to develop. I still don't think that Dominick and Morris survive the next off-season. If they turn in an improved 6 win season, they are toast, and all the prospects are starting over again. Good Luck Bucs. I am hoping you do better anyway.
 
moderated said:
Tampa killed the draft. Nice future for this team.
Guess I'm the only one not in love with everything they did. They wanted Suh, it was well publicized and they settled for McCoy, to me that's not killing the draft. Benn is not a slam dunk at WR for them either. They have had guys over the past 3-4 seasons pass thru that place, what makes Benn a sure thing?I would temper the enthusiasm some. Just because Pete Prisco gave it an A+, I wouyldn't get that thrilled just yet.
The sexy pick was Suh, but McCoy fits their defense better. I think that they got 2 good receivers. They are still need some pieces to develop. I still don't think that Dominick and Morris survive the next off-season. If they turn in an improved 6 win season, they are toast, and all the prospects are starting over again. Good Luck Bucs. I am hoping you do better anyway.
They're a 4-6 win team max IMO. They have a long way to go. Even if the drafted the right guys it's gonna take a couple years for that to develop into wins.
 
moderated said:
Tampa killed the draft. Nice future for this team.
Guess I'm the only one not in love with everything they did. They wanted Suh, it was well publicized and they settled for McCoy, to me that's not killing the draft. Benn is not a slam dunk at WR for them either. They have had guys over the past 3-4 seasons pass thru that place, what makes Benn a sure thing?I would temper the enthusiasm some. Just because Pete Prisco gave it an A+, I wouyldn't get that thrilled just yet.
The sexy pick was Suh, but McCoy fits their defense better. I think that they got 2 good receivers. They are still need some pieces to develop. I still don't think that Dominick and Morris survive the next off-season. If they turn in an improved 6 win season, they are toast, and all the prospects are starting over again. Good Luck Bucs. I am hoping you do better anyway.
They're a 4-6 win team max IMO. They have a long way to go. Even if the drafted the right guys it's gonna take a couple years for that to develop into wins.
:unsure: totally agree. The Bucs slept through the free agency, while some other teams did some great draft day trades for veterans. The Bucs renovation will be an impatient one as I know how fickle the Bucs fans are. They were spoiled with Dungy and Gruden and it was never enough. This is going to take at least 2 more years. IMO
 
moderated said:
Tampa killed the draft. Nice future for this team.
Guess I'm the only one not in love with everything they did. They wanted Suh, it was well publicized and they settled for McCoy, to me that's not killing the draft. Benn is not a slam dunk at WR for them either. They have had guys over the past 3-4 seasons pass thru that place, what makes Benn a sure thing?I would temper the enthusiasm some. Just because Pete Prisco gave it an A+, I wouyldn't get that thrilled just yet.
What should we get thrilled about then? They had massive holes at DT and WR, and took 2 of the top 3 DTs and 2 of the top 5 WRs.Of course Benn isn't a slam dunk, who is? That's why it's the draft.As for Suh, he may be great but the Bucs would be stupid trading a second and third to move up one spot to get him. No thanks. Bucs didn't have anything to root for last year, so excuse us if we find some optimism in what looks like on paper to be an outstanding draft.
 
moderated said:
Tampa killed the draft. Nice future for this team.
Guess I'm the only one not in love with everything they did. They wanted Suh, it was well publicized and they settled for McCoy, to me that's not killing the draft. Benn is not a slam dunk at WR for them either. They have had guys over the past 3-4 seasons pass thru that place, what makes Benn a sure thing?I would temper the enthusiasm some. Just because Pete Prisco gave it an A+, I wouyldn't get that thrilled just yet.
What should we get thrilled about then? They had massive holes at DT and WR, and took 2 of the top 3 DTs and 2 of the top 5 WRs.Of course Benn isn't a slam dunk, who is? That's why it's the draft.As for Suh, he may be great but the Bucs would be stupid trading a second and third to move up one spot to get him. No thanks. Bucs didn't have anything to root for last year, so excuse us if we find some optimism in what looks like on paper to be an outstanding draft.
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moderated said:
Tampa killed the draft. Nice future for this team.
Guess I'm the only one not in love with everything they did. They wanted Suh, it was well publicized and they settled for McCoy, to me that's not killing the draft. Benn is not a slam dunk at WR for them either. They have had guys over the past 3-4 seasons pass thru that place, what makes Benn a sure thing?I would temper the enthusiasm some. Just because Pete Prisco gave it an A+, I wouyldn't get that thrilled just yet.
I love the Bucs draft but I understand where you are coming from. Settled on McCoy & probably Benn too since there were rumors they were trying to trade up for Dez. Either way I am satisfied we targeted the biggest areas of need. What's funny is that Price and Mike Williams could end up being just as good as McCoy & Benn.I also like Dakota Watson and Preston Parker. Parker is a wild card but Watson should help special teams immediately with his 4.4 speed.
 
moderated said:
Tampa killed the draft. Nice future for this team.
Guess I'm the only one not in love with everything they did. They wanted Suh, it was well publicized and they settled for McCoy, to me that's not killing the draft. Benn is not a slam dunk at WR for them either. They have had guys over the past 3-4 seasons pass thru that place, what makes Benn a sure thing?

I would temper the enthusiasm some. Just because Pete Prisco gave it an A+, I wouyldn't get that thrilled just yet.
What should we get thrilled about then? They had massive holes at DT and WR, and took 2 of the top 3 DTs and 2 of the top 5 WRs.Of course Benn isn't a slam dunk, who is? That's why it's the draft.

As for Suh, he may be great but the Bucs would be stupid trading a second and third to move up one spot to get him. No thanks.

Bucs didn't have anything to root for last year, so excuse us if we find some optimism in what looks like on paper to be an outstanding draft.
Dez Bryant...the draft was loaded with DTs and DL help, they could have traded down after they weren't going to get Suh and start adding picks. They could have moved down to the middle of the draft adn grabbed Dez Bryant, then come back in the 2nd where they had 2 picks and get a DT which they did in Price. They rebuilt the interior of the DL , no doubt about it. I hope it works but they took Gaines Adams uber high a couple years ago and that didn't work out very well either. If you are excited, that's all that matters. I don't live there anymore and am not a season ticket holder, just calling it how I see it.

What if they had taken Dez Bryant somehow and then gotten 2 DTs in the 2nd round...Price and then another guy at some point. We'll see how it plays out. Bucs have a long way to go.

I do like the DT/DT move, other teams might have done well to follow similar moves, it definitely upgrades a putrid DL.

 
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moderated said:
Tampa killed the draft. Nice future for this team.
Guess I'm the only one not in love with everything they did. They wanted Suh, it was well publicized and they settled for McCoy, to me that's not killing the draft. Benn is not a slam dunk at WR for them either. They have had guys over the past 3-4 seasons pass thru that place, what makes Benn a sure thing?

I would temper the enthusiasm some. Just because Pete Prisco gave it an A+, I wouyldn't get that thrilled just yet.
What should we get thrilled about then? They had massive holes at DT and WR, and took 2 of the top 3 DTs and 2 of the top 5 WRs.Of course Benn isn't a slam dunk, who is? That's why it's the draft.

As for Suh, he may be great but the Bucs would be stupid trading a second and third to move up one spot to get him. No thanks.

Bucs didn't have anything to root for last year, so excuse us if we find some optimism in what looks like on paper to be an outstanding draft.
Dez Bryant...the draft was loaded with DTs and DL help, they could have traded down after they weren't going to get Suh and start adding picks. They could have moved down to the middle of the draft adn grabbed Dez Bryant, then come back in the 2nd where they had 2 picks and get a DT which they did in Price. They rebuilt the interior of the DL , no doubt about it. I hope it works but they took Gaines Adams uber high a couple years ago and that didn't work out very well either. If you are excited, that's all that matters. I don't live there anymore and am not a season ticket holder, just calling it how I see it.

What if they had taken Dez Bryant somehow and then gotten 2 DTs in the 2nd round...Price and then another guy at some point. We'll see how it plays out. Bucs have a long way to go.

I do like the DT/DT move, other teams might have done well to follow similar moves, it definitely upgrades a putrid DL.
And Charles Rogers, and Mike Williams, blah blah blah. There are no slam dunks in the draft. I agree that "on paper" having a good draft means nothing, and maybe the Bucs' draft doesn't even look all that spectacular on paper.

But they did do one thing that teams don't seem to do enough: They had obvious needs in the draft and then addressed those obvious needs. Kind of boring and obvious...but a sound, basic philosophy. Teams always seem to throw a curveball in there, like Buffalo and Denver did this year in the first. And maybe they pan out, which is cool. But it's also good to see where you're weak and then use the draft to try and get stronger.

I absolutely agree that a "wait and see" attitude is in order, but at least we can say that the Bucs weren't trying to get cute or had some draft meltdown. Their draft was a little boring. That might end up being a pretty big compliment in a few years.

 
And Charles Rogers, and Mike Williams, blah blah blah. There are no slam dunks in the draft. I agree that "on paper" having a good draft means nothing, and maybe the Bucs' draft doesn't even look all that spectacular on paper.
Dez Bryant and those guys are completely different IMHO. If you watched tape of this guy and then saw his workouts for scouts, the guy looked different. My wife who doesn't know a thing about football walked in when I was looking at this guy on NFLN and she just calmly asked who is that? I said why, she says he looks like he knows what he's doing. I said to her versus what are you comparing him to? She says a lot of the other guys she sees me watch on the TV. I don't think my wife really is much of a football person but she took one look at Bryant and automatically she thought he must be a good player. Sure, some guys fool us, but you add in where Bryant signed, the talent around him, I think he easily is the steal of the 2010 draft. I could be wrong but I think the moral folks that took a stand on this guy are wrong wrong wrong...you'd eat with Deion Sanders too if he came calling. I think you are way off on Mike Wiliams and wouldn't even put him in the discussion. No one thought Detroit was smart to draft a guy that was out of football for many months.
 
And Charles Rogers, and Mike Williams, blah blah blah. There are no slam dunks in the draft. I agree that "on paper" having a good draft means nothing, and maybe the Bucs' draft doesn't even look all that spectacular on paper.
Dez Bryant and those guys are completely different IMHO. If you watched tape of this guy and then saw his workouts for scouts, the guy looked different. My wife who doesn't know a thing about football walked in when I was looking at this guy on NFLN and she just calmly asked who is that? I said why, she says he looks like he knows what he's doing. I said to her versus what are you comparing him to? She says a lot of the other guys she sees me watch on the TV. I don't think my wife really is much of a football person but she took one look at Bryant and automatically she thought he must be a good player. Sure, some guys fool us, but you add in where Bryant signed, the talent around him, I think he easily is the steal of the 2010 draft. I could be wrong but I think the moral folks that took a stand on this guy are wrong wrong wrong...you'd eat with Deion Sanders too if he came calling. I think you are way off on Mike Wiliams and wouldn't even put him in the discussion. No one thought Detroit was smart to draft a guy that was out of football for many months.
What did she think of Clausen?
 
And Charles Rogers, and Mike Williams, blah blah blah. There are no slam dunks in the draft. I agree that "on paper" having a good draft means nothing, and maybe the Bucs' draft doesn't even look all that spectacular on paper.
Dez Bryant and those guys are completely different IMHO. If you watched tape of this guy and then saw his workouts for scouts, the guy looked different. My wife who doesn't know a thing about football walked in when I was looking at this guy on NFLN and she just calmly asked who is that? I said why, she says he looks like he knows what he's doing. I said to her versus what are you comparing him to? She says a lot of the other guys she sees me watch on the TV. I don't think my wife really is much of a football person but she took one look at Bryant and automatically she thought he must be a good player. Sure, some guys fool us, but you add in where Bryant signed, the talent around him, I think he easily is the steal of the 2010 draft. I could be wrong but I think the moral folks that took a stand on this guy are wrong wrong wrong...you'd eat with Deion Sanders too if he came calling. I think you are way off on Mike Wiliams and wouldn't even put him in the discussion. No one thought Detroit was smart to draft a guy that was out of football for many months.
What did she think of Clausen?
That he looks like a spoiled brat.
 
:kicksrock: at using your wife to evaluate a draft class now. Yeesh.

Apparently the Bucs fielded offers to move down. None of them were worth it. People seem to think you can just push a button, move down and acquire boatloads of picks.

 
:popcorn: at using your wife to evaluate a draft class now. Yeesh.Apparently the Bucs fielded offers to move down. None of them were worth it. People seem to think you can just push a button, move down and acquire boatloads of picks.
It is pretty funny. My question to what you just posted though is you said TB tried to move down but couldn't. OK, but lots of other teams moved around in this draft, why not the Bucs?If you just sit there and take Kiper's next best available off the board then you're not really owning the draft are you?If Bucsfans are happy, that's all that matters. I am but a lowly FBG poster and its doubtful I am remotely on here...Prisco gave 'em an A+ and I'm sur ehe knows what he's talking about. Go Bucs!!!
 
Not a big Bucs follower, but what I read in the St Pete Times is that Sabby Piscatelli can breathe a sigh of relief. My knee jerk analysis is that if the Bucs still have Sabby as a starter, they got huge problems. I hope that they found a replacement.

 
Not a big Bucs follower, but what I read in the St Pete Times is that Sabby Piscatelli can breathe a sigh of relief. My knee jerk analysis is that if the Bucs still have Sabby as a starter, they got huge problems. I hope that they found a replacement.
And just to put this in perspective...Gabril Wilson was run out of Miami and he missed 9 tackles for the entire season. Sabby Piscatelli missed 20 and was the leader in this category for the entire NFL. When a Safety misses a tackle, let's face it, bad things happen.
 

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