The Real Hipster Doofus
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You'd be lucky to get the 2.04 for Grant in most leagues.
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2011 offseason dynasty trades (1 Viewer)
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Dragon1952
Footballguy
What a steal.
Dragon1952
Footballguy
Some people may not like this, but.....
I gave: Jahvid Best, 2011 2.3
I received: 2011 1.7 (to draft Daniel Thomas), and Golden Tate
I gave: Jahvid Best, 2011 2.3
I received: 2011 1.7 (to draft Daniel Thomas), and Golden Tate
I love the Stewart side, especially in a non-ppr.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
16 team .5/1/1.5 ppr start 1-2 RBs/3 WR/1-2 TEs
Steve Johnson and Dustin Keller
for
1.02 (Mark Ingram) and the 1.12 (hasnt picked yet)
Steve Johnson and Dustin Keller
for
1.02 (Mark Ingram) and the 1.12 (hasnt picked yet)
Pretty close considering league specifics.
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
Much rather have 1.2. I think the difference there is much bigger than the difference between Keller and a top 2 rookie TE you could get at 1.12 or even a sleeper like Housler you could get in the 2nd.
BuckeyeArt
Footballguy
Team A gives: - 2.02
Team B gives: - Cook / 2012 2nd (late)
Team B gives: - Cook / 2012 2nd (late)
PPR dynasty league, 12 teams, start 1 QB, 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 1 flex (RB/WR/TE)
Team A trades Michael Turner and Steve Smith (CAR)
Team B trades rookie picks 1.06 (Team A selected R. Cobb) and 1.11
Team A trades rookie picks 1.11 (Team B selected Hankerson), 2.08, 2.10 and Ryan Fitzpatrick
Team C trades DeAngelo Williams and Mark Sanchez
Team A trades Michael Turner and Steve Smith (CAR)
Team B trades rookie picks 1.06 (Team A selected R. Cobb) and 1.11
Team A trades rookie picks 1.11 (Team B selected Hankerson), 2.08, 2.10 and Ryan Fitzpatrick
Team C trades DeAngelo Williams and Mark Sanchez
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
A got killed in the first deal and slightly won the 2nd.
The Real Hipster Doofus
Footballguy
This is a perfect example of leagues valuing players differently. I had those two guys and shopped them all offseason. Couldn't get much of a bite on either. Finally shipped Stevie away for a 2012 1st (likely late)
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Dez
Footballguy
Somone call 911 because someone in my leaegue just got *****
Puerto Rico gave up:
Year 2012 Round 1 Draft Pick from Puerto Rico (last year he was 3rd worst team likely top 4 pick next year)
Year 2012 Round 2 Draft Pick from Las Vegas (last year he was 5th worst team likely top 18 pick next year)
Year 2011 Draft Pick 4.03
Year 2011 Draft Pick 5.09
Northern California gave up:
Karim, Deji JAC RB
Puerto Rico gave up:
Year 2012 Round 1 Draft Pick from Puerto Rico (last year he was 3rd worst team likely top 4 pick next year)
Year 2012 Round 2 Draft Pick from Las Vegas (last year he was 5th worst team likely top 18 pick next year)
Year 2011 Draft Pick 4.03
Year 2011 Draft Pick 5.09
Northern California gave up:
Karim, Deji JAC RB
The Real Hipster Doofus
Footballguy
That's a vetoable trade right there IMO. There is absolutely no justification, present or future, for that trade. I'd do some homework to make sure there isn't collusion going on.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
If its a competitive league, id honestly consider tossing him out cause he obviously is either colluding or has no clue what he doing.
Dez
Footballguy
There is no colluding going on that is for sure but he obviously doesn't understand the value of draft picks or player's values.It is a very competive league and the guy making the deal is very competive but obviously wanted him bad and the guy trading him away wanted to keep him so he wouldn't deal him until he got more then what he was worth.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
I'd have the guy getting Karim consult with a neurologist. He clearly sustained a head injury or some type of encephalopathy. That's as dumb of a trade as I've ever heard. He clearly wasn't working with all of his marbles in place when he made it.Or it was collusion.
coolnerd
Footballguy
Normally, I think people overereact to "bad" trades, but wow...assuming that Puerto Rico isn't pyschic.
Really? Team A gave up two players that will likely combine for one more good season and got two first round picks for it. Give me the picks all day. Trade 2 was pretty close, but i like Fitzpatrick more than Sanchez.
r0llin_game
Footballguy
please tell me the
is for posting what people thought the worst side of the deal was received by team a for once instead of team b 
. also I offered Knox/1.12 for the 1.04 as I need RB help badly and have a team that can win now and that was the counter I receivedI wasplease tell me the
because somebody got the 1.4 for Ryan Grant.r0llin_game
Footballguy
Dragon1952
Footballguy
12 team PPR
Team A: gave Josh Freeman, Andre Johnson
Team B: gave Big Ben, Mark Ingram
Team A: gave Josh Freeman, Andre Johnson
Team B: gave Big Ben, Mark Ingram
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
The anti-Turner hype around here is getting really absurd.
That's a good fair trade IMO.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Depends on what each team needs, I suppose. For me, I think the Freeman/Johnson tandem has more opportunity for points as Big Ben the most overrated fantasy QB in the land.
Since I'm team A in these trades I'll try to explain my thinking.This dynasty league is entering its 3rd season. The core of my team since the league started has been Rodgers, Turner, Bradshaw/Jacobs, Wayne, Sims-Walker and D. Clark. First year I finished 6-7 and last year was 7-6, barely made playoffs each year and was eliminated in 1st round each year. S. Smith (CAR) was obtained in a trade before the 2010 season for Johnny Knox.After the 2010 season I decided it was time to make changes and start moving older players before they lost value, especially since I was only at .500 over 2 seasons with these players. At the end of the season I moved Wayne and 2011 pick 1.08 for Bowe and 2011 pick 2.10. Then as our draft approached I made the 2 deals above.Wayne will be 33 in the middle of the upcoming season, Smith will soon be 33, and Turner is 29. Turner was RB16 on ppg basis in our league both of the past 2 seasons, while Smith was WR9 in 2009 and WR67 in 2010 on a ppg basis. If I felt I had been close to winning the league at any point it would have made sense to hold 1 or more of these guys and tinker with the rest of the team. But based on past experience that was not the case so I didn't see any reason to hold them past the point where they had any trade value.Based on opinions I've seen in the Asst. Coaches forum, Turner's value in a dynasty PPR league seemed to be in the 1.05 - 1.08 range, so 1.06 seemed fair. I didn't even bother looking for Smith's value as I figured that given his age, his decline over the past 5 years, and the uncertainty about his future that a 1st round pick would be a good deal. So 1.06 and 1.11 seemed fair to me, or at least not getting "killed". Each guy may have a couple of good years left in him, but I don't think that would have meant much to my team and I would have been holding them until they had little trade value. Now just seemed like the right time to cash out while I still could.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
All right. I guess that makes sense. I'm just more of a guy that thinks "you have to try to win sometime" and while you have a good idea what you're going to get from Turner, you're rolling the dice on whoever it is you're going to get with the rookie pick actually outperforming him. Getting a 1.11 for Smith was a good move, based on what I've seen to be the general consensus around here.So "killed" was a bit much I suppose. And your reasoning is sound.
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
Top 5 QB in PPG last year and still under 30? I think Freeman qualifies for "most overrated" a little more if we're hanging that title on anyone. (I like both players.)
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
2nd half of his season last year was mediocre.
I tend to agree, thats what a 5 TD game late in the season will do for a young player. i actually think Ben might be a bit underrated in fanatsy football.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
So that's cause for criticism but Ben's one multi-TD game in his last six last year doesn't give you pause?
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
'Cept he's had multiple top 10 seasons before, including a top 5 season. There's no reason for pause.If you look back through this thread, what is the straight up value for Ben? I don't remember (m)any trades targeting him, yet there are several where the other guy is clearly overpaying to get Freeman due to young QB syndrome.
Correct
Im not criticizing Freeman for his 5 TD game, but it was one of the things that caused alot of people to over value him. His easy schedule and lack of running game helped too.
Moss for nothing would be a great deal for the guy getting nothing.
mcintyre1
Footballguy
Zealots league:
Team A: Gives Rashard Mendenhall RB, Mario Manningham WR
Team B: Gives Lagarette Blount RB, Andre Johnson WR
Keep in mind Zealots scoring, which is No PPR and bonus points for KR/PR TDs and yardage.
I'm team B.
Here's my roster now:
QB: Brees, Kolb
RB: McFadden, Mendenhall, Lynch, Fred Jackson, M. Bush, Woodhead, McKnight, Brandon Jackson, Huggins, Ch. Taylor
WR: Colston, Garcon, Ford, Hester, Demaryus Thomas, E. Sanders, Mark Clayton
TE: Finley, H. Miller, J. Dreesen
In the end, I went for it because RBs are so highly valued in Zealot leagues. Andre Johnson scored 172.9 points on the season for me. Manningham scored 150.6 for him. Heck, Devin Hester scored 132 point on the season and he's barely a WR.
Team A: Gives Rashard Mendenhall RB, Mario Manningham WR
Team B: Gives Lagarette Blount RB, Andre Johnson WR
Keep in mind Zealots scoring, which is No PPR and bonus points for KR/PR TDs and yardage.
I'm team B.
Here's my roster now:
QB: Brees, Kolb
RB: McFadden, Mendenhall, Lynch, Fred Jackson, M. Bush, Woodhead, McKnight, Brandon Jackson, Huggins, Ch. Taylor
WR: Colston, Garcon, Ford, Hester, Demaryus Thomas, E. Sanders, Mark Clayton
TE: Finley, H. Miller, J. Dreesen
In the end, I went for it because RBs are so highly valued in Zealot leagues. Andre Johnson scored 172.9 points on the season for me. Manningham scored 150.6 for him. Heck, Devin Hester scored 132 point on the season and he's barely a WR.
Andre Johnson scored 172 points, but did it on 13 games. AJ averaged 13.3 PPG and Hester averaged 8.3. This trade will come down to what happens in NY this season. If Manningham gets the #2 spot there you rpobably iwn this trade. You might anyway because i dont hink Blount is long for the starting job in TB. Only problem is i have seen people getting a ton for him this offseason.
Instinctive
Footballguy
Dallas Cowboys gave up:
Johnson, Andre HOU WR
Royal, Eddie DEN WR
Year 2011 Round 2 Draft Pick from Dallas Cowboys
Baltimore Ravens gave up:
Addai, Joseph IND RB
Austin, Miles DAL WR
Zealots is heatin' up!
Johnson, Andre HOU WR
Royal, Eddie DEN WR
Year 2011 Round 2 Draft Pick from Dallas Cowboys
Baltimore Ravens gave up:
Addai, Joseph IND RB
Austin, Miles DAL WR
Zealots is heatin' up!
ebcpastor2004
Footballguy
I hope I didn't undersell AP. Zealots scoring:
I gave up: Peterson, Adrian MIN RB, 2011 3.4
for
Jackson, Steven STL RB; 2011 1.1, 1.3, & 2.3
I intend to take Ingram & Jones or Williams (unless Green happens to fall)
Starting RBS now = SJax, JStew, Ingram, DBrown (RB4) & maybe grab DCarter at 2.3 (if he's there)
Starting WRs now = Calvin, Fitz, Dez, Jones (WR4); unless AJ Green falls, or I take Ryan Williams at 1.3 which would strengthen my RB depth.
There's also a thought that I might use SJax & the 1.3 to upgrade my # 1 RB- not to AP's level, but maybe Ray Rice.
So what do you think about the trade overall, & what advice do you have for me now? Use SJax & a pick to upgrade or stand pat?
TIA
I gave up: Peterson, Adrian MIN RB, 2011 3.4
for
Jackson, Steven STL RB; 2011 1.1, 1.3, & 2.3
I intend to take Ingram & Jones or Williams (unless Green happens to fall)
Starting RBS now = SJax, JStew, Ingram, DBrown (RB4) & maybe grab DCarter at 2.3 (if he's there)
Starting WRs now = Calvin, Fitz, Dez, Jones (WR4); unless AJ Green falls, or I take Ryan Williams at 1.3 which would strengthen my RB depth.
There's also a thought that I might use SJax & the 1.3 to upgrade my # 1 RB- not to AP's level, but maybe Ray Rice.
So what do you think about the trade overall, & what advice do you have for me now? Use SJax & a pick to upgrade or stand pat?
TIA
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I think you got great value for AP.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
That's basically Austin for Johnson. So we know who won that.
mcintyre1
Footballguy
Good point on the PPG scoring. However, after struggling in this league for the last 3 seasons having built strong at WR initially, I made trades last year to solidify my RB situation (I started with SJax as my only feature back, turned him into McFadden, Lynch, Fred Jackson for more consistent production and had a much better year after that. AJ is a great piece to have, but I'm finally coming over to the tried and true Zealot strategy of RB, RB, RB.'Go deep said:
mcintyre1
Footballguy
I agree, that's a great haul. I would personally keep SJax + 1.03 and get Julio Jones.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
CJ and Austin all day
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