Carolina Hustler
Footballguy
Green is worth a 1st overall rookie pick. I'd say Spiller is worth a mid 1st rounder at least. And Ford is probably worth a late first rounder...I guess the trade is a little more even than I thought.
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2011 offseason dynasty trades (2 Viewers)
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5Rings
Lurker
At the time of the trade, these were all initial vet picks and rookie picks in the inaugural draft. The players listed are who was selected in those spots.
JPeso
Footballguy
This is a HUGE point to make and I would want to see the draft and whom I could have selected to fully value the deal.
5Rings
Lurker
added draft spots for ya. since the 8 and 9 were the value in this deal, here are the surrounding picks. wr and lb heavy league.picks around Ford:7.10 Knox, Johnny CHI WR 7.11 Manningham, Mario NYG WR 7.12 Moreno, Knowshon DEN RB 8.01 Ford, Jacoby OAK WR 8.02 Graham, Jimmy NOS TE 8.03 Williams, DJ DEN LB 8.04 Schaub, Matt HOU QBpicks around Spiller:9.08 Ward, T.J. CLE S 9.09 Lewis, Marcedes JAC TE 9.10 Lewis, Ray BAL LB 9.11 Spiller, C.J. BUF RB 9.12 Washington, Daryl ARI LB 10.01 Chung, Patrick NEP S 10.02 Levy, DeAndre DET LB
Captain Hook
Footballguy
Here were a couple of trades from a 12 team, PPR, bestball league - trades were made during the (mostly) rookie draft
1) Jones, Julio ATL WR (after being drafted) for
Year 2011 Draft Pick 1.10;Year 2011 Draft Pick 1.11; Year 2012 Round 1 Draft Pick
2) Starks, James GBP RB for
Tolbert, Mike SDC RB; Year 2011 Draft Pick 4.09
1) Jones, Julio ATL WR (after being drafted) for
Year 2011 Draft Pick 1.10;Year 2011 Draft Pick 1.11; Year 2012 Round 1 Draft Pick
2) Starks, James GBP RB for
Tolbert, Mike SDC RB; Year 2011 Draft Pick 4.09
Fantasy Foosball
Footballguy
Made 2 trades in 12 team PPR
Gave RB Chris Johnson, WR Jeremy Maclin
Recieved WR Hakeem Knicks, RB Ryan Mathews, 2012 2nd round pick.
Gave RB Chris Johnson, WR Jeremy Maclin
Recieved WR Hakeem Knicks, RB Ryan Mathews, 2012 2nd round pick.
good to see a CJ3 trade since i'm debating putting him on the block.seems like a pretty even trade and if Mathews takes a big step forward this year or next, i would love the Nicks side
Dez
Footballguy
12 team PPR
Coney Island gave up:
Cutler, Jay CHI QB
Year 2012 Round 1 Draft Pick from Coney Island
Year 2012 Round 1 Draft Pick from Boise
Year 2012 Round 2 Draft Pick from Coney Island
Year 2012 Round 2 Draft Pick from Boise
Puerto Rico gave up:
Rodgers, Aaron GBP QB
Year 2013 Round 2 Draft Pick from South Carolina
Coney Island gave up:
Cutler, Jay CHI QB
Year 2012 Round 1 Draft Pick from Coney Island
Year 2012 Round 1 Draft Pick from Boise
Year 2012 Round 2 Draft Pick from Coney Island
Year 2012 Round 2 Draft Pick from Boise
Puerto Rico gave up:
Rodgers, Aaron GBP QB
Year 2013 Round 2 Draft Pick from South Carolina
I'll take Rodgers.
Carolina Hustler
Footballguy
Gimme 2 1st's, a 2nd and Cutler
Carolina Hustler
Footballguy
fairly even trade, gimme cj/maclin
Carolina Hustler
Footballguy
1) gimme Jones2) Who cares, I hate them both... I know everyone else will want starks..
Carolina Hustler
Footballguy
holmes side wins this one
Dez
Footballguy
Really ? Cutler is like an 11th-12th round start up pick - Rodgers a 1st round start up.One 1st projects from pick 5-8 and the other projects from 9-12.Seems like you should get more for a guy everyone loves and is a 1st round dynasty start up pick in most drafts.
Multiple Scores
Footballguy
sihaokills
Footballguy
Nice trade by both sides
Carolina Hustler
Footballguy
I feel like Rodgers is over hyped, still valuable and a top QB pick, but a bit over valued, and Cutler is under valued. Maybe you're right.. I guess it depends on the situation. If you're in the running, you should gladly upgrade from Cutler to Rodgers. But if you already had Brees, or Brady, or someone else along those line, you now have to make another trade in order for it to make sense. If I'm not in the running, I think I take the picks, although it is a fairly even trade... I think most around here are going to jump on the Rodgers side. Especially since everyone hates Cutler.. And to think, 2 years ago, I was trying to temper the Cutler love on these very boards, I had like 20 people jumping up and down on my head because I refused to drink the koolaid.. Now everyone hates him..
sihaokills
Footballguy
Like Rodgers side
Gotta say team B
Instinctive
Footballguy
14 Team 0.5 ppr startup:
1.10
6.10
7.05
2.10
3.10
7.10
1.10
6.10
7.05
2.10
3.10
7.10
team B by a mile...whitehurst gerhart and mcknight are all worthless. Moreno and Greene are close in a ppr but I would lean greene in uncertainty moreno if things end up good for him plus u get welker.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
I've got a mancrush on Wallace, so take this with a grain of salt. But I'd never trade him basically straight up for an unproven rookie, even one as talented as Green. But I value Wallace as a top 5 WR.
sihaokills
Footballguy
I like Wallace's side
doowain
Footballguy
During a dynasty startup this offseason I traded Wallace for AJG and a 2012 1st. I liked it for me and I love AJG, but I was still on the fence about it. I don't think I could do it with a 2nd. Especially a projected late 2nd.
Instinctive
Footballguy
12 team PPR, 2RB/3WR
Team A receives:
Vernon Davis
Austin Collie
Team B receives:
Sidney Rice
Marcedes Lewis
Brandon Jacobs
Team A receives:
Vernon Davis
Austin Collie
Team B receives:
Sidney Rice
Marcedes Lewis
Brandon Jacobs
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
Good trade for you.
Instinctive
Footballguy
Thought I would bump this for thoughts. I personally like to move out of the 1st in dynasty startups, but does anyone else feel differently?
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
Given you chose slot 10 in the Kentucky Derby process and there was a top RB with no risk factors that dropped to you (Rice) why did you follow through with the trade? It seems like if you were going to trade out no matter what, you might pick an earlier slot to get more value for it. That might make it more of a discussion?
sihaokills
Footballguy
Nice fair trade
Instinctive
Footballguy
I knew going in that I was either going to double up in the 2nd and 3rd or get Rodgers or Calvin (didn't expect Calvin to be there at ten, but had he fallen...). When Rodgers was gone, i definitely decided to trade. I was just thinking more of a discussion about whether or not a 1st rounder is worth as much in dynasty as a redraft. I don't think it is.
I recently did a start up and traded the player I took at 1.09, plus lots of other stuff, to end up with 3 picks in the 2nd and a player drafted in the 3rd.
I feel like I have a stronger core group of players that I can build around... much more so than if I just drafted from my spot (picks traded 33, 40, and 57... plus other stuff)
So I guess I do agree that a late 1st in a dynasty is not worth as much as redraft. I know that in redraft the goal is to acquire as many Top50-60 players as possible, but in Dynasy, there was only about 30 players that I wanted to build around and feel fortunate to grab 4 of them... if i stayed pat i would have got 3 not 4.
YMMV
I feel like I have a stronger core group of players that I can build around... much more so than if I just drafted from my spot (picks traded 33, 40, and 57... plus other stuff)
So I guess I do agree that a late 1st in a dynasty is not worth as much as redraft. I know that in redraft the goal is to acquire as many Top50-60 players as possible, but in Dynasy, there was only about 30 players that I wanted to build around and feel fortunate to grab 4 of them... if i stayed pat i would have got 3 not 4.
YMMV
griz145389
Footballguy
This just was approved in 12 team ppr
Desean Jackson and Michael Turner for Rashard Mendenhall and Randall Cobb
Desean Jackson and Michael Turner for Rashard Mendenhall and Randall Cobb
sihaokills
Footballguy
Not bad by both sides
dmac37
Footballguy
PPR League
Gave:
Benson
Rob Gronkowski
Dion Lewis
Plaxico Burress
Got:
Crabtree
Lee Evans
I have a stacked team and also need to drop a lot of players before the season starts. Benson was my #4RB and Gronko was my #3TE, I like both Crabtree and Evans as buy low guys this offseason.
Gave:
Benson
Rob Gronkowski
Dion Lewis
Plaxico Burress
Got:
Crabtree
Lee Evans
I have a stacked team and also need to drop a lot of players before the season starts. Benson was my #4RB and Gronko was my #3TE, I like both Crabtree and Evans as buy low guys this offseason.
the turnip
Footballguy
16 team
NON PPR
gave Sidney Rice, 1.5 (turned into Daniel Thomas MIA RB) & 1.16
got Mark Ingram and Pierre Thomas
NON PPR
gave Sidney Rice, 1.5 (turned into Daniel Thomas MIA RB) & 1.16
got Mark Ingram and Pierre Thomas
Instinctive
Footballguy
You had to qualify that because you think you're trading something good? Lewis only has value to a McCoy owner, IMO, and Gronk is the only other player worth anything at all. You destroyed the other guy on this deal.
Multiple Scores
Footballguy
Nonppr I like what you got.
bengalbuck
Footballguy
I'm curious as to opinions on this. I think I overpaid a bit in trading for Santonio Holmes, but I'm high on him and I hope it will make sense for my team. (12 team, 1 ppr)
Gave:
Jordy Nelson
Steve Smith (Car.)
Joseph Addai
Rookie 1.10
Got:
Santonio Holmes
Rookie 3.01
Gave:
Jordy Nelson
Steve Smith (Car.)
Joseph Addai
Rookie 1.10
Got:
Santonio Holmes
Rookie 3.01
Instinctive
Footballguy
I personally like the Santonio side, but don't know that I would have included either Smith or Nelson (one or the other). Still probably a nice deal. But I'm the resident higher-on-Holmes-than-anyone-else guy here
bengalbuck
Footballguy
You're probably right. I wonder if the deal could have got done without one of those 2 guys, but I guess I'll never really know. My team is pretty young so it made sense to me to try to get value for Addai/S. Smith, but not sure I got enough value here unless Holmes takes it up a level. Like you, I think he will. If he's more of a 70 catch guy going forward, I definitely overpaid.I personally like the Santonio side, but don't know that I would have included either Smith or Nelson (one or the other). Still probably a nice deal. But I'm the resident higher-on-Holmes-than-anyone-else guy here
chocolate bomber
Footballguy
10 team PPR - start 1QB/3WR/2RB/TE/K/DT
Gave: Chris Johnson/Ringer/2011 1.7 rookie pick
Received: Fitz/Matthews
A little thin at RB now, but I'm high on Fitz/Matthews.
Gave: Chris Johnson/Ringer/2011 1.7 rookie pick
Received: Fitz/Matthews
A little thin at RB now, but I'm high on Fitz/Matthews.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Avery, Donnie WR STL
Kolb, Kevin QB PHI
Tomlinson, LaDainian RB NYJ
Vick, Michael QB PHI - Traded from Team A
Brady, Tom QB NE
Jackson, Brandon RB GB
Manningham, Mario WR NYG
Sanchez, Mark QB NYJ
Starks, James RB GB - Traded from Team B
Kolb, Kevin QB PHI
Tomlinson, LaDainian RB NYJ
Vick, Michael QB PHI - Traded from Team A
Brady, Tom QB NE
Jackson, Brandon RB GB
Manningham, Mario WR NYG
Sanchez, Mark QB NYJ
Starks, James RB GB - Traded from Team B
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Love the trade for you.
Instinctive
Footballguy
Love getting Fitz, especially with 3 WR no flex, but not a fan of Mathews.
sihaokills
Footballguy
I don't guy why you would do that
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