2012-13 English Premier League Fantasy Football (2 Viewers)

[NewlyRetired]

10 5 131 Iron_Far. . . .. Taylor

10 6 132 Eephus. . . . .. Fletcher

10 7 133 CharvTRETup. . . Ferdinand

10 8 134 Bonzai. . . . .. Etherington

10 9 135 Moe. . . . . . . Osman

10 10 136 Sebowski. . . .. Williams

10 11 137 Christo. . . . . Modric

10 12 138 AcerRetired. . . OTC until XX:32

10 13 139 azgroover. . . .

10 14 140 GoodPostingJudge

 

[AcerFC]

Shay Given, GK, Aston Villa, 5

 

[gianmarco]

I would at least propose that you can't use your backup GK spot for anyone other than a known GK. Other than that, I think it should be open.

As for losing Hulk, I'm not gonna go crazy over that. It did prompt my question (as well as for a couple other guys) but I wasn't going to delay the draft or cause some controversy especially being this is my first ever EPL draft. I just was wondering for clarification since I wanted to pick him and didn't know if that was allowed or not. I'd say Iron should get to keep him as long as we don't start allowing teams to use the backup GK spot for prospective traded players.

 

[Christo]

Thanks Iron_FarEephus should add some wording to the first post when he gets a chance.

I like the suggest someone brought up about using Wiki or the Champions League site for positions

Neither is authoritative or necessary IMO. Hulk can be drafted at any position. The position should be declared at the time of selection, as we've been doing all along. The FPL site rules require teams to have a valid game week 1 roster (2-5-5-3 and <100M cap). If the speculative pick doesn't meet both criteria, the owner has to make a replacement pick to fill the position slot. The replaced player goes back into the undrafted clone pool.

Hmm, so should Iron get Hulk back? Before any more picks are made, we should get this decided, let him choose which way he's going, and let the other guy be available. I'm guessing he wants Hulk and put the Swansea defender back in the mix....

Crap. This is why we were asking for an absolute definitive ruling. This seems to screw Iron_Far who did not need to re-pick. Also screws Gianmarco who was thinking of drafting Hulk earlier but didn't because he ran out of forward positions.How long until someone drafts a striker as their back up keeper?

I don't know where you guys are getting that the rules aren't clear. They say that there are "15 man rosters = 2 keepers, 5 defense, 5 midfield, 3 forwards" and "[y]ou have to play game week 1 with the players you drafted (unless a late transfer pushes you over the 3 players per EPL team limit)."

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

 

[NewlyRetired]

10 11 137 Christo. . . . . Modric

10 12 138 AcerRetired. . . Given

10 13 139 azgroover. . . . OTC until XX:47

10 14 140 GoodPostingJudge ...

11 1 141 GoodPostingJudge. .

11 2 142 azgroover. . . .

11 3 143 AcerRetired. . .

 

[NewlyRetired]

I would at least propose that you can't use your backup GK spot for anyone other than a known GK. Other than that, I think it should be open.

That's not what Eephus is proposing. From his proposal, you can draft any one at any position as long as it all balances out by week 1 with every one at their correct position and with the salary cap being met.

 

[azgroover]

10.13, Per Mertesacker, DEF, ARS, 5

 

[gianmarco]

I would at least propose that you can't use your backup GK spot for anyone other than a known GK. Other than that, I think it should be open.

That's not what Eephus is proposing. From his proposal, you can draft any one at any position as long as it all balances out by week 1 with every one at their correct position and with the salary cap being met.

I understand that. Which is why I'm saying I'd prefer to have that modified so that teams aren't stashing extra guys as a backup GK. There's a possible chance that Hulk gets classified as a MF. There's 0 chance he gets classified as a GK. For that matter, we could make the same distinction for defensive players as well and only allow the MF/For potential slotting but that seems like a lot to decide mid-draft. The GK restriction is common sense and easy to implement at this point, I'd think.In the end, though, I'm just giving my thoughts but don't care enough to make any kind of stink and will go along with any ruling that is made.

 

[NewlyRetired]

10 11 137 Christo. . . . . Modric

10 12 138 AcerRetired. . . Given

10 13 139 azgroover. . . . Mertesacker

10 14 140 GoodPostingJudge ...OTC until xx:53

11 1 141 GoodPostingJudge. .

11 2 142 azgroover. . . .

11 3 143 AcerRetired. . .

 

[NewlyRetired]

I would at least propose that you can't use your backup GK spot for anyone other than a known GK. Other than that, I think it should be open.

That's not what Eephus is proposing. From his proposal, you can draft any one at any position as long as it all balances out by week 1 with every one at their correct position and with the salary cap being met.

I understand that. Which is why I'm saying I'd prefer to have that modified so that teams aren't stashing extra guys as a backup GK. There's a possible chance that Hulk gets classified as a MF. There's 0 chance he gets classified as a GK. For that matter, we could make the same distinction for defensive players as well and only allow the MF/For potential slotting but that seems like a lot to decide mid-draft. The GK restriction is common sense and easy to implement at this point, I'd think.In the end, though, I'm just giving my thoughts but don't care enough to make any kind of stink and will go along with any ruling that is made.

I agree with all of this.I still feel a bit bad for Iron_Far as he did not need to re-pick if he didn't want to.

 

[gianmarco]

I would at least propose that you can't use your backup GK spot for anyone other than a known GK. Other than that, I think it should be open.

That's not what Eephus is proposing. From his proposal, you can draft any one at any position as long as it all balances out by week 1 with every one at their correct position and with the salary cap being met.

I understand that. Which is why I'm saying I'd prefer to have that modified so that teams aren't stashing extra guys as a backup GK. There's a possible chance that Hulk gets classified as a MF. There's 0 chance he gets classified as a GK. For that matter, we could make the same distinction for defensive players as well and only allow the MF/For potential slotting but that seems like a lot to decide mid-draft. The GK restriction is common sense and easy to implement at this point, I'd think.In the end, though, I'm just giving my thoughts but don't care enough to make any kind of stink and will go along with any ruling that is made.

I agree with all of this.I still feel a bit bad for Iron_Far as he did not need to re-pick if he didn't want to.

No reason he still can't get Hulk. Let him keep him and throw back Taylor.

 

[Eephus]

I would at least propose that you can't use your backup GK spot for anyone other than a known GK. Other than that, I think it should be open.

That's not what Eephus is proposing. From his proposal, you can draft any one at any position as long as it all balances out by week 1 with every one at their correct position and with the salary cap being met.

That's not what I said. If you draft Hulk as a FWD and he comes over and gets added to FPL as a FWD, you're good to go. If you draft him as a MID and FPL adds him as a FWD (or vice versa), you lose his rights.ETA: I apologize if I caused confusion with my post about the Champions League and Wikipedia sites. What I meant was that the one and only authoritative source for players, positions and salaries is the FPL site.

 

[Iron_Far]

I generally agree with Eephus on this, but I am miffed at losing out on Ash Williams as I thought there'd be a definitive ruling on the thing before the next pick; which is why I waited.

Oh well.

 

[NewlyRetired]

I would at least propose that you can't use your backup GK spot for anyone other than a known GK. Other than that, I think it should be open.

That's not what Eephus is proposing. From his proposal, you can draft any one at any position as long as it all balances out by week 1 with every one at their correct position and with the salary cap being met.

That's not what I said. If you draft Hulk as a FWD and he comes over and gets added to FPL as a FWD, you're good to go. If you draft him as a MID and FPL adds him as a FWD (or vice versa), you lose his rights.

ok. I did not understand that point from this post you made. It is now more clear to me. Thanks.

Hulk can be drafted at any position. The position should be declared at the time of selection, as we've been doing all along.The FPL site rules require teams to have a valid game week 1 roster (2-5-5-3 and <100M cap). If the speculative pick doesn't meet both criteria, the owner has to make a replacement pick to fill the position slot. The replaced player goes back into the undrafted clone pool.

 

[Sebowski]

I generally agree with Eephus on this, but I am miffed at losing out on Ash Williams as I thought there'd be a definitive ruling on the thing before the next pick; which is why I waited.Oh well.

Technically your pick should be Hulk as a MF. You're fortunate you were allowed a repick at all.Signed,-Ash Williams Owner

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

I would at least propose that you can't use your backup GK spot for anyone other than a known GK. Other than that, I think it should be open.

That's not what Eephus is proposing. From his proposal, you can draft any one at any position as long as it all balances out by week 1 with every one at their correct position and with the salary cap being met.

That's not what I said. If you draft Hulk as a FWD and he comes over and gets added to FPL as a FWD, you're good to go. If you draft him as a MID and FPL adds him as a FWD (or vice versa), you lose his rights.

ok. I did not understand that point from this post you made. It is now more clear to me. Thanks.

Hulk can be drafted at any position. The position should be declared at the time of selection, as we've been doing all along.The FPL site rules require teams to have a valid game week 1 roster (2-5-5-3 and <100M cap). If the speculative pick doesn't meet both criteria, the owner has to make a replacement pick to fill the position slot. The replaced player goes back into the undrafted clone pool.

One question: In this scenario would the replacement pick be under that owners exclusive rights?So, let's say he had to throw Hulk back, would the guy he replaces Hulk with (at MF) be exclusively his? I was thinking they wouldn't.

 

[NewlyRetired]

did you guys do speculative picks in last years draft or did you stick to the original lists?

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Meanwhile...

10.14 - Micah Richards, DEF, Manchester City (6.0)

11.01 - Steve Morison, definitely a FWD, Norwich (definitely not Porto) (5.5)

 

[Good Posting Judge]

did you guys do speculative picks in last years draft or did you stick to the original lists?

No speculative picks last year.

 

[azgroover]

11.02, Brett Holman, MID, AVL, 6

 

[NewlyRetired]

10 11 137 Christo. . . . . Modric

10 12 138 AcerRetired. . . Given

10 13 139 azgroover. . . . Mertesacker

10 14 140 GoodPostingJudge ... Richards

11 1 141 GoodPostingJudge. . Morison

11 2 142 azgroover. . . . OTC until xx:19

11 3 143 AcerRetired. . .

 

[Eephus]

I would at least propose that you can't use your backup GK spot for anyone other than a known GK. Other than that, I think it should be open.

That's not what Eephus is proposing. From his proposal, you can draft any one at any position as long as it all balances out by week 1 with every one at their correct position and with the salary cap being met.

That's not what I said. If you draft Hulk as a FWD and he comes over and gets added to FPL as a FWD, you're good to go. If you draft him as a MID and FPL adds him as a FWD (or vice versa), you lose his rights.

ok. I did not understand that point from this post you made. It is now more clear to me. Thanks.

Hulk can be drafted at any position. The position should be declared at the time of selection, as we've been doing all along.The FPL site rules require teams to have a valid game week 1 roster (2-5-5-3 and <100M cap). If the speculative pick doesn't meet both criteria, the owner has to make a replacement pick to fill the position slot. The replaced player goes back into the undrafted clone pool.

One question: In this scenario would the replacement pick be under that owners exclusive rights?So, let's say he had to throw Hulk back, would the guy he replaces Hulk with (at MF) be exclusively his? I was thinking they wouldn't.

The Hulk pick never happened. He's available for redraft at any position where you have an open slot. But the only way you can use him in game week 1 and hold exclusive rights for the season is if he's added to the FPL database by Aug 17 at the matching position and under the total 100M cap.

 

[NewlyRetired]

11.03, Pilkington, MID, NOR, 6

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

The Hulk pick never happened. He's available for redraft at any position where you have an open slot. But the only way you can use him in game week 1 and hold exclusive rights for the season is if he's added to the FPL database by Aug 17 at the matching position and under the total 100M cap.

I get that part, that wasn't my question.Let's say I draft Hulk at MF, and he ends up being a FWD and I have to replace him.What are my rights on the replacement player? Is he a clone-eligible guy or exclusive?

 

[Eephus]

The Hulk pick never happened. He's available for redraft at any position where you have an open slot. But the only way you can use him in game week 1 and hold exclusive rights for the season is if he's added to the FPL database by Aug 17 at the matching position and under the total 100M cap.

I get that part, that wasn't my question.Let's say I draft Hulk at MF, and he ends up being a FWD and I have to replace him.What are my rights on the replacement player? Is he a clone-eligible guy or exclusive?

That issue came up yesterday. Replacement picks are clone-eligible.

 

[NewlyRetired]

11 3 143 AcerRetired. . . Pilkington

11 4 144 Christo. . . OTC until xx:22

11 5 145 Sebowski ...

11 6 146 Moe ...

11 7 147 Bonzai ...

11 8 148 CharvTre ...

11 9 149 Eephus ...

11 10 150 Iron_Far ...

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

The Hulk pick never happened. He's available for redraft at any position where you have an open slot. But the only way you can use him in game week 1 and hold exclusive rights for the season is if he's added to the FPL database by Aug 17 at the matching position and under the total 100M cap.

I get that part, that wasn't my question.Let's say I draft Hulk at MF, and he ends up being a FWD and I have to replace him.What are my rights on the replacement player? Is he a clone-eligible guy or exclusive?

That issue came up yesterday. Replacement picks are clone-eligible.

Thanks.

 

[NewlyRetired]

ok I am logging off for a while or more.

I have updated all three tabs of spreadsheet with the flurry of picks that just came in.

As always please review your rosters, on the rosters tab, to make sure the money and players are correct in the spreadsheet.

 

[Eephus]

if Cazorla gets added as a FWD

 

[Christo]

The Hulk pick never happened. He's available for redraft at any position where you have an open slot. But the only way you can use him in game week 1 and hold exclusive rights for the season is if he's added to the FPL database by Aug 17 at the matching position and under the total 100M cap.

I get that part, that wasn't my question.Let's say I draft Hulk at MF, and he ends up being a FWD and I have to replace him.What are my rights on the replacement player? Is he a clone-eligible guy or exclusive?

I originally said replacement picks under rule 3a would be exclusive property of the drafting team, but that doesn't seem fair. I want to avoid the possibility of owners tanking picks in order to upgrade them to late EPL arrivals on Aug 17th (we're at the stage of the draft where it crossed my mind). You're still welcome to pick somebody not in the league and if they're in the database by the deadline, they're yours for the season. But if you have to replace the original pick, the new players will be eligible for cloning starting with game week 2.

 

[Christo]

With pick 11.4, Real Christo selects . . .

Dimitar Berbatov, FWD, QPR, 7.0

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

The Hulk pick never happened. He's available for redraft at any position where you have an open slot. But the only way you can use him in game week 1 and hold exclusive rights for the season is if he's added to the FPL database by Aug 17 at the matching position and under the total 100M cap.

I get that part, that wasn't my question.Let's say I draft Hulk at MF, and he ends up being a FWD and I have to replace him.What are my rights on the replacement player? Is he a clone-eligible guy or exclusive?

I originally said replacement picks under rule 3a would be exclusive property of the drafting team, but that doesn't seem fair. I want to avoid the possibility of owners tanking picks in order to upgrade them to late EPL arrivals on Aug 17th (we're at the stage of the draft where it crossed my mind). You're still welcome to pick somebody not in the league and if they're in the database by the deadline, they're yours for the season. But if you have to replace the original pick, the new players will be eligible for cloning starting with game week 2.

The responses haven't been as clear, assistant commish Christo.

 

[Bonzai]

With pick 11.4, Real Christo selects . . . Dimitar Berbatov, FWD, QPR, 7.0

Not enough fantasy in this league for you?

 

[Sebowski]

Gervhino, M Arsenal

 

[Christo]

With pick 11.4, Real Christo selects . . . Dimitar Berbatov, FWD, QPR, 7.0

Not enough fantasy in this league for you?

I figured with me ignoring forwards the way I did I needed to swing for the fences with one of them.

 

[Bonzai]

Moe still up?

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Re: Hulk, can a team draft 15 players with an initial value of $100mm+, and then make moves to get under the cap before the league starts?

 

[Eephus]

11 6 146 Moe ... TIMED OUT

11 7 147 Bonzai ...OTC to XX55

11 8 148 CharvTre ...

11 9 149 Eephus ...

11 10 150 Iron_Far ...

 

[Christo]

Re: Hulk, can a team draft 15 players with an initial value of $100mm+, and then make moves to get under the cap before the league starts?

HFS

 

[Bonzai]

11.7 Jaaskelainen - GK, WHM 4.5

 

[Eephus]

Re: Hulk, can a team draft 15 players with an initial value of $100mm+, and then make moves to get under the cap before the league starts?

I honestly have no idea but you have to get under 100 by game week 1. Any players dropped or replaced will be clone eligible.I'm using plug numbers for Cazorla and Fletcher to prevent me from going over budget.

 

[Eephus]

did you guys do speculative picks in last years draft or did you stick to the original lists?

No speculative picks last year.

...or next year

 

[Bonzai]

did you guys do speculative picks in last years draft or did you stick to the original lists?

No speculative picks last year.

...or next year

 

[Christo]

did you guys do speculative picks in last years draft or did you stick to the original lists?

No speculative picks last year.

...or next year

 

[Sebowski]

did you guys do speculative picks in last years draft or did you stick to the original lists?

No speculative picks last year.

...or next year

Yeah? I like this much better than everyone having Aguero on their roster. It was like playing with one less forward last year since they all cancelled each other out. The issues for the Speculative Picks have been addressed and resolved. Next year will be smoother.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

did you guys do speculative picks in last years draft or did you stick to the original lists?

No speculative picks last year.

...or next year

Yeah? I like this much better than everyone having Aguero on their roster. It was like playing with one less forward last year since they all cancelled each other out. The issues for the Speculative Picks have been addressed and resolved. Next year will be smoother.

 

[Iron_Far]

Gotta go, have PM'd gian with my potential pick (3)

 

[Eephus]

Charvik & TRE are Central Time so their clock started at 5:07 PM local time.

 

[Moe.]

11.06 luiz df chel 6.5