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I own both and both are frustrating the heck out of me with injuries. I gotta believe Mathews(with a coaching change I hope) will still out perform Nicks.Would love thoughts on: R Mathews for Nicks
I own both and both are frustrating the heck out of me with injuries. I gotta believe Mathews(with a coaching change I hope) will still out perform Nicks.Would love thoughts on: R Mathews for Nicks
Regardless of what you think the point still stands. Wallace's market value is much higher which is why the Wallace owner should have been able to get more.I think the two are fairly close in value to be honest. Not sure why people under-rate Austin.Terrible trade, the Wallace owner should have been able to get Austin plus. Doesn't really make sense16 team .5pprMike Wallacefor Miles Austin
I have a lot of trouble with discussions of market value. First off, the "market" isn't all dynasty owners in the world, it's all dynasty owners in your league willing to trade. If nobody in your league thinks Wallace will amount to anything without Ben, no amount of expert rankings to the contrary will do the tiniest bit of good. Second off, at the end of the day, the point of any trade should be making your team better, not "getting market value". If, two years ago, you thought Mike Williams TB was a mirage and Demaryius Thomas was a stud, then trade Williams for Thomas, market value be damned. If you can get the Thomas owner to kick in something extra to get closer to market value, then great. If you can't, why on earth should you avoid trading for the player you actually want just because the market says otherwise? If you'd traded for Boldin and Finley, instead, you would have done better according to the market, but you wouldn't have gotten the guy you wanted, and your team would be worse off today.Market value is great in theory, but in dynasty leagues, every player is unique, and if you want that player, you're forced to bargain with an owner who holds a monopoly. In a monopoly, the "market value" is whatever that owner is willing to accept. If team A really liked and wanted Austin, and Wallace was what he cost, and team A decided he was worth that cost, then good for team A. Those values are not egregiously out of whack with conventional wisdom. I don't think we need to be questioning right now how much more or less he could have gotten for Wallace. Context: the Wallace owner in my league has been shopping him all season. Nobody in my league is buying. He offered to send me his Wallace for my Austin, and I declined. I think the two players are comparable in dynasty, but Austin's reliability is a better fit for my current roster makeup, where he serves as a low-risk bye week filler. Plus, I know that in my particular league, the market for Austin is much better than the market for Wallace (as evidenced by the fact that he's still shopping Wallace, and I've had 3 owners inquire about the availability of Austin). Knowing the overall dynasty market is nice (and this thread is extremely helpful in that regard), but knowing your own particular local dynasty market is more important.Regardless of what you think the point still stands. Wallace's market value is much higher which is why the Wallace owner should have been able to get more.I think the two are fairly close in value to be honest. Not sure why people under-rate Austin.Terrible trade, the Wallace owner should have been able to get Austin plus. Doesn't really make sense16 team .5pprMike Wallacefor Miles Austin
Not to get the thread off track but original offer he sent me was Brady/McGahee for 1st/Crabs/Vince Brown. Didn't want to give up VB, so this in turn, turned him into wanting Demaryius. I know Brady still has value left, but when you can start up to 4 WRs and only 1 QB, there's a select few I would trade a WR1 for, for those QBs.I am a fringe playoff team in my league and was willing to deal Brady to help build my team into a powerhouse starting next year. The best offer I got was Rivers, Manningham and a late second for him. For that price I will ride him until he retires.In a league I'm trying to get either Brees/Brady and Bree's owner wants a top tier RB, Brady owner wants Demaryius... In light of that trade, must be fkin nice to get Brees AND Colston that cheap.Team A gaveQB Locker TENRB Morris WASRB Leshoure DETWR Sanders PITTeam B gaveQB Brees NORB Green-Ellis CINRB Jackson STLQR Colston NOObviously Team is in contention this year, Team B is not
outstanding post.I have a lot of trouble with discussions of market value. First off, the "market" isn't all dynasty owners in the world, it's all dynasty owners in your league willing to trade. If nobody in your league thinks Wallace will amount to anything without Ben, no amount of expert rankings to the contrary will do the tiniest bit of good. Second off, at the end of the day, the point of any trade should be making your team better, not "getting market value". If, two years ago, you thought Mike Williams TB was a mirage and Demaryius Thomas was a stud, then trade Williams for Thomas, market value be damned. If you can get the Thomas owner to kick in something extra to get closer to market value, then great. If you can't, why on earth should you avoid trading for the player you actually want just because the market says otherwise? If you'd traded for Boldin and Finley, instead, you would have done better according to the market, but you wouldn't have gotten the guy you wanted, and your team would be worse off today.Market value is great in theory, but in dynasty leagues, every player is unique, and if you want that player, you're forced to bargain with an owner who holds a monopoly. In a monopoly, the "market value" is whatever that owner is willing to accept. If team A really liked and wanted Austin, and Wallace was what he cost, and team A decided he was worth that cost, then good for team A. Those values are not egregiously out of whack with conventional wisdom. I don't think we need to be questioning right now how much more or less he could have gotten for Wallace. Context: the Wallace owner in my league has been shopping him all season. Nobody in my league is buying. He offered to send me his Wallace for my Austin, and I declined. I think the two players are comparable in dynasty, but Austin's reliability is a better fit for my current roster makeup, where he serves as a low-risk bye week filler. Plus, I know that in my particular league, the market for Austin is much better than the market for Wallace (as evidenced by the fact that he's still shopping Wallace, and I've had 3 owners inquire about the availability of Austin). Knowing the overall dynasty market is nice (and this thread is extremely helpful in that regard), but knowing your own particular local dynasty market is more important.Regardless of what you think the point still stands. Wallace's market value is much higher which is why the Wallace owner should have been able to get more.I think the two are fairly close in value to be honest. Not sure why people under-rate Austin.Terrible trade, the Wallace owner should have been able to get Austin plus. Doesn't really make sense16 team .5pprMike Wallacefor Miles Austin
Exactly. I made the trade to get Greene and did not feel great about as I absolutely prefer Richardson's long term potential but it's still just potential and he could be mired in a RBBC and/or taking a back seat to Pead. For me I have Chris Johnson and a pile of mediocrity as my RB2. Rest of the roster is rock solid. I'm competing for a playoff spot and have a must win game this week with my only decent RB, Chris Johnson, on bye.If this move fails to get me into the playoffs it still has a benefit. This league takes the 6 non-playoff teams and they have a playoff for draft spot. Team I traded with will be one of these 6 so I weakened their roster and improved mine. So bottom line is Greene improved my chances of making playoffs or improving my draft position but if the situations were different I'd be the guy trading Greene for Richardson.It seems like a good trade to me if you are in playoff contention and don't have an rb2. Richardson has shown flashes but I don't consider him a sure thing.I don't see why one would give up Richardson for Greene.I was part of 3 trades this league, all different leagues. All PPR leagues except the league Gonzalez was traded which is a 1.25 TE PPR.Trade 1:Team A gave: Shone GreeneTeam B gave: Daryl RichardsonTrade 2:Team A gave: Jared Cook and Lance KendricksTeam B gave: Tony GonzalezTrade 3:Team A gave: Collin Kaepernick and third round rookie pickTeam B gave: Carson Palmer
One example of players (Williams and Thomas) does not prove a point. Neither does one particular league (yours). I think it's pretty safe to say that Wallace holds much more value than Austin in fantasy circles. Whether you want to look at age (Wallace is two years younger) or production (Wallace has been the more productive wr the past two seasons although they are almost dead even this season) or injury history, Wallace is the more valuable dynasty player. I have a hard time believing the guy who traded Wallace couldn't get a third round pick or a similarly valued player thrown in. Also, if people are discounting Wallace in dynasty circles because of the injury to Ben, I think that is extremely short sighted and presents a great buy low opportunity for Wallace.I have a lot of trouble with discussions of market value. First off, the "market" isn't all dynasty owners in the world, it's all dynasty owners in your league willing to trade. If nobody in your league thinks Wallace will amount to anything without Ben, no amount of expert rankings to the contrary will do the tiniest bit of good. Second off, at the end of the day, the point of any trade should be making your team better, not "getting market value". If, two years ago, you thought Mike Williams TB was a mirage and Demaryius Thomas was a stud, then trade Williams for Thomas, market value be damned. If you can get the Thomas owner to kick in something extra to get closer to market value, then great. If you can't, why on earth should you avoid trading for the player you actually want just because the market says otherwise? If you'd traded for Boldin and Finley, instead, you would have done better according to the market, but you wouldn't have gotten the guy you wanted, and your team would be worse off today.Market value is great in theory, but in dynasty leagues, every player is unique, and if you want that player, you're forced to bargain with an owner who holds a monopoly. In a monopoly, the "market value" is whatever that owner is willing to accept. If team A really liked and wanted Austin, and Wallace was what he cost, and team A decided he was worth that cost, then good for team A. Those values are not egregiously out of whack with conventional wisdom. I don't think we need to be questioning right now how much more or less he could have gotten for Wallace. Context: the Wallace owner in my league has been shopping him all season. Nobody in my league is buying. He offered to send me his Wallace for my Austin, and I declined. I think the two players are comparable in dynasty, but Austin's reliability is a better fit for my current roster makeup, where he serves as a low-risk bye week filler. Plus, I know that in my particular league, the market for Austin is much better than the market for Wallace (as evidenced by the fact that he's still shopping Wallace, and I've had 3 owners inquire about the availability of Austin). Knowing the overall dynasty market is nice (and this thread is extremely helpful in that regard), but knowing your own particular local dynasty market is more important.Regardless of what you think the point still stands. Wallace's market value is much higher which is why the Wallace owner should have been able to get more.I think the two are fairly close in value to be honest. Not sure why people under-rate Austin.Terrible trade, the Wallace owner should have been able to get Austin plus. Doesn't really make sense16 team .5pprMike Wallacefor Miles Austin
Not because of an injury to Ben, but because Wallace is an UFA and Pitt is unlikely to resign him, which means he won't be playing with Ben any more going forward. And if ever there was a QB who was tailor-made to take advantage of Wallace, it was Ben. You said it yourself- Wallace and Austin are essentially a wash this season. Wallace's situation is about to get a lot worse. Austin's is not. It's not crazy for someone to think they're essentially a wash in dynasty. And you say you can't imagine the other owner not being willing to kick in a third, but (a) I can very easily imagine that to be the case, and as I said, within leagues you're dealing with monopolies, and (b) would the addition of a third really change your opinion of the trade? Even if the third was kicked in, you'd still think the Wallace owner could/should have gotten more.One example of players (Williams and Thomas) does not prove a point. Neither does one particular league (yours). I think it's pretty safe to say that Wallace holds much more value than Austin in fantasy circles. Whether you want to look at age (Wallace is two years younger) or production (Wallace has been the more productive wr the past two seasons although they are almost dead even this season) or injury history, Wallace is the more valuable dynasty player. I have a hard time believing the guy who traded Wallace couldn't get a third round pick or a similarly valued player thrown in. Also, if people are discounting Wallace in dynasty circles because of the injury to Ben, I think that is extremely short sighted and presents a great buy low opportunity for Wallace.I have a lot of trouble with discussions of market value. First off, the "market" isn't all dynasty owners in the world, it's all dynasty owners in your league willing to trade. If nobody in your league thinks Wallace will amount to anything without Ben, no amount of expert rankings to the contrary will do the tiniest bit of good. Second off, at the end of the day, the point of any trade should be making your team better, not "getting market value". If, two years ago, you thought Mike Williams TB was a mirage and Demaryius Thomas was a stud, then trade Williams for Thomas, market value be damned. If you can get the Thomas owner to kick in something extra to get closer to market value, then great. If you can't, why on earth should you avoid trading for the player you actually want just because the market says otherwise? If you'd traded for Boldin and Finley, instead, you would have done better according to the market, but you wouldn't have gotten the guy you wanted, and your team would be worse off today.Market value is great in theory, but in dynasty leagues, every player is unique, and if you want that player, you're forced to bargain with an owner who holds a monopoly. In a monopoly, the "market value" is whatever that owner is willing to accept. If team A really liked and wanted Austin, and Wallace was what he cost, and team A decided he was worth that cost, then good for team A. Those values are not egregiously out of whack with conventional wisdom. I don't think we need to be questioning right now how much more or less he could have gotten for Wallace. Context: the Wallace owner in my league has been shopping him all season. Nobody in my league is buying. He offered to send me his Wallace for my Austin, and I declined. I think the two players are comparable in dynasty, but Austin's reliability is a better fit for my current roster makeup, where he serves as a low-risk bye week filler. Plus, I know that in my particular league, the market for Austin is much better than the market for Wallace (as evidenced by the fact that he's still shopping Wallace, and I've had 3 owners inquire about the availability of Austin). Knowing the overall dynasty market is nice (and this thread is extremely helpful in that regard), but knowing your own particular local dynasty market is more important.Regardless of what you think the point still stands. Wallace's market value is much higher which is why the Wallace owner should have been able to get more.I think the two are fairly close in value to be honest. Not sure why people under-rate Austin.Terrible trade, the Wallace owner should have been able to get Austin plus. Doesn't really make sense16 team .5pprMike Wallacefor Miles Austin
I think it's a very good sell high/buy low.You had one. Vincent Jackson is his name
Thats how I viewed it. I figured now was a great time to sell high on Jackson but didn't expect to get Julio Jones with him.I think it's a very good sell high/buy low.You had one. Vincent Jackson is his name
Jackson may not have the youth but he's every bit as good as Julio minus hype. I have both on various teams but feel more confident. In vjI think it's a very good sell high/buy low.You had one. Vincent Jackson is his name
That's true but Julio is 6 years younger and not even in his prime yet. When Roddy is gone I expect him to put up top 5 numbers.Jackson may not have the youth but he's every bit as good as Julio minus hype. I have both on various teams but feel more confident. In vjI think it's a very good sell high/buy low.You had one. Vincent Jackson is his name
Definitely better when you look at your lineup down the stretch, not a big piece to give up for the upgrade IMO'Andrew74 said:12 team start 1 QB. I give: Ryan/1st (prob 1.04-1.05)I get: BreesWe have limited rosters and I wanted to get a sure-fire QB. I still have a 1st left.Edit: I feel better having Brees but do have that "overpaid" feeling.
I dont know many that would trade Ryan for Brees straight. I know I wouldn't. Not trying to be a #### but I think this is an awful trade.'Andrew74 said:12 team start 1 QB. I give: Ryan/1st (prob 1.04-1.05)I get: BreesWe have limited rosters and I wanted to get a sure-fire QB. I still have a 1st left.Edit: I feel better having Brees but do have that "overpaid" feeling.
I'm not offended by your being a ####.I dont know many that would trade Ryan for Brees straight. I know I wouldn't. Not trying to be a #### but I think this is an awful trade.'Andrew74 said:12 team start 1 QB. I give: Ryan/1st (prob 1.04-1.05)I get: BreesWe have limited rosters and I wanted to get a sure-fire QB. I still have a 1st left.Edit: I feel better having Brees but do have that "overpaid" feeling.
So you think Ryan has "arrived"?Depends on roster makeup. If I were a contender and a Brees owner (I am, and I am), there's no way in hell I'd trade him for Ryan and a junk first. Brees may be 33, but banners never age.I dont know many that would trade Ryan for Brees straight. I know I wouldn't. Not trying to be a #### but I think this is an awful trade.'Andrew74 said:12 team start 1 QB. I give: Ryan/1st (prob 1.04-1.05)I get: BreesWe have limited rosters and I wanted to get a sure-fire QB. I still have a 1st left.Edit: I feel better having Brees but do have that "overpaid" feeling.
I am a strong contender and the other guy is bottom barrel. I felt Brees gave me a lock at QB.Depends on roster makeup. If I were a contender and a Brees owner (I am, and I am), there's no way in hell I'd trade him for Ryan and a junk first. Brees may be 33, but banners never age.I dont know many that would trade Ryan for Brees straight. I know I wouldn't. Not trying to be a #### but I think this is an awful trade.'Andrew74 said:12 team start 1 QB. I give: Ryan/1st (prob 1.04-1.05)I get: BreesWe have limited rosters and I wanted to get a sure-fire QB. I still have a 1st left.Edit: I feel better having Brees but do have that "overpaid" feeling.
I would do that trade and then trade for Peyton.Depends on roster makeup. If I were a contender and a Brees owner (I am, and I am), there's no way in hell I'd trade him for Ryan and a junk first. Brees may be 33, but banners never age.I dont know many that would trade Ryan for Brees straight. I know I wouldn't. Not trying to be a #### but I think this is an awful trade.'Andrew74 said:12 team start 1 QB. I give: Ryan/1st (prob 1.04-1.05)I get: BreesWe have limited rosters and I wanted to get a sure-fire QB. I still have a 1st left.Edit: I feel better having Brees but do have that "overpaid" feeling.
Love the Luck side. I have him and it require 5 times that amount of value to pry him from me.6 pts for passing td.I gave Mike Wallace and Shane Veneer for Andrew Luck.
Really like this one, as I see Hawkins' upside as a decent role player while Sanders *could* nail down a starting gig if Wallace moves on.Not a big one now, but could be in the future:Gave:Andrew HawkinsGot:Emannuel Sanders
Give me AP over Murray regardless of team direction12 team PPR (Q, 2R, 3W, 1T, 1R/W/T) - 25 player rosterTeam A (strong contender but injuries at RB) - receives APTeam B (re-building team but still hanging around playoff contention as most teams are) - receives D Murray and Lafell (had AP on bait for 3 weeks)
Apparently not. Outside of a rare case, everyone had their price for a player.'donnie baseball said:Traded Stafford and Wallace for Spiller. PPR dynasty, had Ryan, Big Ben, and Stafford. Wallace was my number three behind Calvin and Julio. Other guy was dead set on not trading CJ.
I'd take Murray/Smith but I could see it either way.'BearsFan4Life said:Thoughts on this one:Give: Lynch Get: Murray, TSmithTeam getting Lynch in playoffs other team is not
Certainly this must be hyperbole. Even at 2.0 of this amount it's either a overpay for Luck or an undervalue of Wallace.'King of the Jungle said:Love the Luck side. I have him and it require 5 times that amount of value to pry him from me.'gadkins said:6 pts for passing td.I gave Mike Wallace and Shane Veneer for Andrew Luck.
That's fine.'ConnSKINS26 said:Win-now move for a bandaid at RB in the event of a RB injury to my playoff team. Not excited about it, but if I need 12 points in a pinch I'll know where to go for the rest of the season.Gaveierre ThomasAldrick RobinsonGot:Michael Turner
Got to pony up to buy young studs.'donnie baseball said:Traded Stafford and Wallace for Spiller. PPR dynasty, had Ryan, Big Ben, and Stafford. Wallace was my number three behind Calvin and Julio. Other guy was dead set on not trading CJ.