Maybe. Blackmon at 2 is too early. They can trade out with someone that wants RG3 and has to leap over the Browns in case they want him.Any way it doesn't go like this?1IND - Luck2STL - Blackmon (It's obvious that the Rams need to get Bradford a playmaker)3MIN - Kalil4CLE - Claiborne (RGIII or Richardson are options but CB's like Claiborne don't come around very often)
I think the Browns take Blackmon if he's there.'FavreCo said:Maybe. Blackmon at 2 is too early. They can trade out with someone that wants RG3 and has to leap over the Browns in case they want him.'cstu said:Any way it doesn't go like this?1IND - Luck2STL - Blackmon (It's obvious that the Rams need to get Bradford a playmaker)3MIN - Kalil4CLE - Claiborne (RGIII or Richardson are options but CB's like Claiborne don't come around very often)
Cleveland's pass defense was one of the top units in 2011, why grab a CB when their offense is awful. I would think they would have to go RG3 if he grades out as a top 5 pick.'cstu said:Any way it doesn't go like this?1IND - Luck2STL - Blackmon (It's obvious that the Rams need to get Bradford a playmaker)3MIN - Kalil4CLE - Claiborne (RGIII or Richardson are options but CB's like Claiborne don't come around very often)
There's talk of Sheldon Brown being moved to safety next year since his skills have diminished. Haden and Claiborne at CB and Brown at safety would be an even better pass defense.If RG3 grades out that high then they should take him. I'm interested to see how he does in the pre-draft workouts.Cleveland's pass defense was one of the top units in 2011, why grab a CB when their offense is awful. I would think they would have to go RG3 if he grades out as a top 5 pick.'cstu said:Any way it doesn't go like this?1IND - Luck2STL - Blackmon (It's obvious that the Rams need to get Bradford a playmaker)3MIN - Kalil4CLE - Claiborne (RGIII or Richardson are options but CB's like Claiborne don't come around very often)
I don't buy Cleveland going Claiborne either. The offense is not only pathetic, but it seems to have no plan right now. The fans would revolt if they went another year with Colt McCoy and joke WR's. They're probably going to lose Hillis too. Unlike most teams at the top of the draft, they do already have a decent line for next year if they can get healthy. That makes picking an offensive skill player even more attractive. RG3, Trent, Blackmon, or even trading up for Luck all seem more likely to me than Claiborne.I do agree with you that Haden/Claiborne as a combo would be ridiculous. Unfortunately, you would probably need about 3 points to beat them next year if they go that direction so they would be facing a ton of run plays.There's talk of Sheldon Brown being moved to safety next year since his skills have diminished. Haden and Claiborne at CB and Brown at safety would be an even better pass defense.If RG3 grades out that high then they should take him. I'm interested to see how he does in the pre-draft workouts.Cleveland's pass defense was one of the top units in 2011, why grab a CB when their offense is awful. I would think they would have to go RG3 if he grades out as a top 5 pick.'cstu said:Any way it doesn't go like this?1IND - Luck2STL - Blackmon (It's obvious that the Rams need to get Bradford a playmaker)3MIN - Kalil4CLE - Claiborne (RGIII or Richardson are options but CB's like Claiborne don't come around very often)
Certainly possible. That would be STL's dilemma. Trade back and then watch the guy you need get taken because you did.I think the Browns take Blackmon if he's there.'FavreCo said:Maybe. Blackmon at 2 is too early. They can trade out with someone that wants RG3 and has to leap over the Browns in case they want him.'cstu said:Any way it doesn't go like this?1IND - Luck2STL - Blackmon (It's obvious that the Rams need to get Bradford a playmaker)3MIN - Kalil4CLE - Claiborne (RGIII or Richardson are options but CB's like Claiborne don't come around very often)
St. Louis would more likely take Kalil than Blackmon, IMO.

After looking at the Rams situation more it's seems a no-brainer to take Kalil - barring a ridiculous offer by a team to move up for RG3. Jason Smith is total bust with concussion issues and I can see the Rams cutting him and his $10M contract. Taking Kalil allows them to move Saffold to RT and cut Smith.Stl in prime position to trade down and gain picks....and still get blackmon
With Kalil gone, would the Vikings pass on Blackmon? OL is a huge need but I don't anyone else worth taking over him.St. Louis would more likely take Kalil than Blackmon, IMO.In which case, the Vikings either have a dilemma or are in the catbird seat.
I think they'd go either Blackmon or Reily Reiff, OT Iowa.With Kalil gone, would the Vikings pass on Blackmon? OL is a huge need but I don't anyone else worth taking over him.
I don't buy Cleveland going Claiborne either. The offense is not only pathetic, but it seems to have no plan right now. The fans would revolt if they went another year with Colt McCoy and joke WR's. They're probably going to lose Hillis too. Unlike most teams at the top of the draft, they do already have a decent line for next year if they can get healthy. That makes picking an offensive skill player even more attractive. RG3, Trent, Blackmon, or even trading up for Luck all seem more likely to me than Claiborne.I do agree with you that Haden/Claiborne as a combo would be ridiculous. Unfortunately, you would probably need about 3 points to beat them next year if they go that direction so they would be facing a ton of run plays.There's talk of Sheldon Brown being moved to safety next year since his skills have diminished. Haden and Claiborne at CB and Brown at safety would be an even better pass defense.If RG3 grades out that high then they should take him. I'm interested to see how he does in the pre-draft workouts.Cleveland's pass defense was one of the top units in 2011, why grab a CB when their offense is awful. I would think they would have to go RG3 if he grades out as a top 5 pick.'cstu said:Any way it doesn't go like this?1IND - Luck2STL - Blackmon (It's obvious that the Rams need to get Bradford a playmaker)3MIN - Kalil4CLE - Claiborne (RGIII or Richardson are options but CB's like Claiborne don't come around very often)
That is exactly why I can't imagine them taking Clairborne. I can't imagine that really helping them win more games. After watching Newton and Dalton this year, I would think Cleveland would have to be much more happy selecting someone who could improve their pathetic offense or their bad run defense. Adding to their solid pass defense seems like they continue to lose the same amount of games as this year.I did one a couple weeks ago, but was thinking of doing another one now that the season is over. Maybe next week sometime.Andy, do you have any mocks coming out soon?
Teams can do that if they have a great QB but the Texans, 49ers and Ravens have done well relying on the run.While he's a great talent, I don't expect Richardson to go very high.A good number of the playoff teams barely have a running game at all. It's a passing league and I think you'll see teams draft according to the monkey see monkey do pattern the NFL follows.
They're a little more balanced between offense and defense though. Teams that would be a fit for Richardson probably (I say that without looking) don't have the same calibre of defense that those teams do, so a player with his skills wouldn't be where you'd start building your team if you're at the top of the draft.Teams can do that if they have a great QB but the Texans, 49ers and Ravens have done well relying on the run.While he's a great talent, I don't expect Richardson to go very high.A good number of the playoff teams barely have a running game at all. It's a passing league and I think you'll see teams draft according to the monkey see monkey do pattern the NFL follows.
I agree with you, but let's say they follow what the Chargers did by taking LT when they were terrible. The Browns will certainly be bad again and have a shot at Barkley next year. They may be able to pick up the Redskins 1st next year by trading down and could actually turn the team around in a couple of years.They're a little more balanced between offense and defense though. Teams that would be a fit for Richardson probably (I say that without looking) don't have the same calibre of defense that those teams do, so a player with his skills wouldn't be where you'd start building your team if you're at the top of the draft.Teams can do that if they have a great QB but the Texans, 49ers and Ravens have done well relying on the run.While he's a great talent, I don't expect Richardson to go very high.
A good number of the playoff teams barely have a running game at all. It's a passing league and I think you'll see teams draft according to the monkey see monkey do pattern the NFL follows.
I hope you're right. I think the Bengals would jump out of their seats for him at #17 if he made it that far. I think if he starts sliding that far though someone will trade up and pick him before that. Hard to say though, Ingram fell far.They're a little more balanced between offense and defense though. Teams that would be a fit for Richardson probably (I say that without looking) don't have the same calibre of defense that those teams do, so a player with his skills wouldn't be where you'd start building your team if you're at the top of the draft.Teams can do that if they have a great QB but the Texans, 49ers and Ravens have done well relying on the run.While he's a great talent, I don't expect Richardson to go very high.A good number of the playoff teams barely have a running game at all. It's a passing league and I think you'll see teams draft according to the monkey see monkey do pattern the NFL follows.
SD took Brees in the 2nd round after taking LT in the 1st.Do you think the Browns would trade down if RG3 is there? Why?I agree with you, but let's say they follow what the Chargers did by taking LT when they were terrible. The Browns will certainly be bad again and have a shot at Barkley next year. They may be able to pick up the Redskins 1st next year by trading down and could actually turn the team around in a couple of years.They're a little more balanced between offense and defense though. Teams that would be a fit for Richardson probably (I say that without looking) don't have the same calibre of defense that those teams do, so a player with his skills wouldn't be where you'd start building your team if you're at the top of the draft.Teams can do that if they have a great QB but the Texans, 49ers and Ravens have done well relying on the run.While he's a great talent, I don't expect Richardson to go very high.
A good number of the playoff teams barely have a running game at all. It's a passing league and I think you'll see teams draft according to the monkey see monkey do pattern the NFL follows.
That's about where I think he'd go, unless a team like Tampa does something crazy.I think he goes somewhere between and including Cincinnati's two picks to a team like Chicago, NYG, or Cleveland.I hope you're right. I think the Bengals would jump out of their seats for him at #17 if he made it that far. I think if he starts sliding that far though someone will trade up and pick him before that. Hard to say though, Ingram fell far.
I was thinking the Jets.That's about where I think he'd go, unless a team like Tampa does something crazy.I think he goes somewhere between and including Cincinnati's two picks to a team like Chicago, NYG, or Cleveland.I hope you're right. I think the Bengals would jump out of their seats for him at #17 if he made it that far. I think if he starts sliding that far though someone will trade up and pick him before that. Hard to say though, Ingram fell far.
Because Richardson and draft picks > RG3. The Browns also need a lot more than RG3 and IMO it's going to take a few years for RG3 to be a good NFL QB.SD took Brees in the 2nd round after taking LT in the 1st.Do you think the Browns would trade down if RG3 is there? Why?I agree with you, but let's say they follow what the Chargers did by taking LT when they were terrible. The Browns will certainly be bad again and have a shot at Barkley next year. They may be able to pick up the Redskins 1st next year by trading down and could actually turn the team around in a couple of years.They're a little more balanced between offense and defense though. Teams that would be a fit for Richardson probably (I say that without looking) don't have the same calibre of defense that those teams do, so a player with his skills wouldn't be where you'd start building your team if you're at the top of the draft.Teams can do that if they have a great QB but the Texans, 49ers and Ravens have done well relying on the run.While he's a great talent, I don't expect Richardson to go very high.
A good number of the playoff teams barely have a running game at all. It's a passing league and I think you'll see teams draft according to the monkey see monkey do pattern the NFL follows.
The Jets wouldn't pass on him if he's there.I was thinking the Jets.That's about where I think he'd go, unless a team like Tampa does something crazy.I think he goes somewhere between and including Cincinnati's two picks to a team like Chicago, NYG, or Cleveland.I hope you're right. I think the Bengals would jump out of their seats for him at #17 if he made it that far. I think if he starts sliding that far though someone will trade up and pick him before that. Hard to say though, Ingram fell far.
Think so? Wouldn't really see them doing that. They need more like a linebacker or a d-end, don't they? Maybe a WR?The Jets wouldn't pass on him if he's there.I was thinking the Jets.That's about where I think he'd go, unless a team like Tampa does something crazy.I think he goes somewhere between and including Cincinnati's two picks to a team like Chicago, NYG, or Cleveland.I hope you're right. I think the Bengals would jump out of their seats for him at #17 if he made it that far. I think if he starts sliding that far though someone will trade up and pick him before that. Hard to say though, Ingram fell far.
I'm not sure why you would pass on a franchise QB when you get the shot at one. Were Newton and Dalton considered more NFL ready than RG3?Because Richardson and draft picks > RG3. The Browns also need a lot more than RG3 and IMO it's going to take a few years for RG3 to be a good NFL QB.SD took Brees in the 2nd round after taking LT in the 1st.Do you think the Browns would trade down if RG3 is there? Why?I agree with you, but let's say they follow what the Chargers did by taking LT when they were terrible. The Browns will certainly be bad again and have a shot at Barkley next year. They may be able to pick up the Redskins 1st next year by trading down and could actually turn the team around in a couple of years.They're a little more balanced between offense and defense though. Teams that would be a fit for Richardson probably (I say that without looking) don't have the same calibre of defense that those teams do, so a player with his skills wouldn't be where you'd start building your team if you're at the top of the draft.Teams can do that if they have a great QB but the Texans, 49ers and Ravens have done well relying on the run.While he's a great talent, I don't expect Richardson to go very high.
A good number of the playoff teams barely have a running game at all. It's a passing league and I think you'll see teams draft according to the monkey see monkey do pattern the NFL follows.

Why no concerns about RG3? He's a very high risk high reward QB but why not take advantage of the Redskins desperation to get him and set up the team for the long-term? Don't get me wrong, I like RG3 but I'm not ignoring the risks as many seem to be.I'm not sure why you would pass on a franchise QB when you get the shot at one. Were Newton and Dalton considered more NFL ready than RG3?Because Richardson and draft picks > RG3. The Browns also need a lot more than RG3 and IMO it's going to take a few years for RG3 to be a good NFL QB.SD took Brees in the 2nd round after taking LT in the 1st.Do you think the Browns would trade down if RG3 is there? Why?I agree with you, but let's say they follow what the Chargers did by taking LT when they were terrible. The Browns will certainly be bad again and have a shot at Barkley next year. They may be able to pick up the Redskins 1st next year by trading down and could actually turn the team around in a couple of years.They're a little more balanced between offense and defense though. Teams that would be a fit for Richardson probably (I say that without looking) don't have the same calibre of defense that those teams do, so a player with his skills wouldn't be where you'd start building your team if you're at the top of the draft.Teams can do that if they have a great QB but the Texans, 49ers and Ravens have done well relying on the run.While he's a great talent, I don't expect Richardson to go very high.
A good number of the playoff teams barely have a running game at all. It's a passing league and I think you'll see teams draft according to the monkey see monkey do pattern the NFL follows.![]()
How do you think Browns fans will be if RG3 is a bust and they watch Richardson and all the players they could had have go on to the Pro Bowl?I think the Dog Pound would set the river on fire again if the team passed on an apparent franchise QB in favor of an RB.
Are they pleased with the results of the 23 picks they got in exchange for trading down from the Sanchez pick? Not that Sanchez was the answer either either, but "trading down" isn't a magic bullet.Not sure I've got it all right, but all those trading down of those picks netted them these guys: Alex Mack, Mohamed Massaquoi, David Veikune, Coye Francies, James Davis, Kenyon Coleman, Brett Ratliff, and Abram Elam.How many are even on the team, much less Pro Bowlers?How do you think Browns fans will be if RG3 is a bust and they watch Richardson and all the players they could had have go on to the Pro Bowl?I think the Dog Pound would set the river on fire again if the team passed on an apparent franchise QB in favor of an RB.
Alex Mack >>>>>> Mark Sanchez'Andy Dufresne said:Are they pleased with the results of the 23 picks they got in exchange for trading down from the Sanchez pick? Not that Sanchez was the answer either either, but "trading down" isn't a magic bullet.Not sure I've got it all right, but all those trading down of those picks netted them these guys: Alex Mack, Mohamed Massaquoi, David Veikune, Coye Francies, James Davis, Kenyon Coleman, Brett Ratliff, and Abram Elam.How many are even on the team, much less Pro Bowlers?'cstu said:How do you think Browns fans will be if RG3 is a bust and they watch Richardson and all the players they could had have go on to the Pro Bowl?'Andy Dufresne said:I think the Dog Pound would set the river on fire again if the team passed on an apparent franchise QB in favor of an RB.
If they keep Sanchez without adding a bonafide challenger at QB, they need Richardson to be a bellcow. Greene is decent, but in the end, we will think of him as Ryan Grant-lite...not terrible, but not the running game makings of a team that depends on the run. In fact, the RBs I think they need to keep most are LT (dependable) and McKnight (otherwordly in the return game)...Bilal Johnson may be the odd man out and honestly, I never understood the hype (interestingly it came from FF guys outside of Jets fans than actual Jets fans for the most part). I'd love a guy like Richardson unless a true pass-rush option were available (and not a one dimensional guy...someone who could sack a QB and on the next play stuff a FB).'Andy Dufresne said:Think so? Wouldn't really see them doing that. They need more like a linebacker or a d-end, don't they? Maybe a WR?'cstu said:The Jets wouldn't pass on him if he's there.'scrumptrulescent said:I was thinking the Jets.'Andy Dufresne said:That's about where I think he'd go, unless a team like Tampa does something crazy.I think he goes somewhere between and including Cincinnati's two picks to a team like Chicago, NYG, or Cleveland.'cheese said:I hope you're right. I think the Bengals would jump out of their seats for him at #17 if he made it that far. I think if he starts sliding that far though someone will trade up and pick him before that. Hard to say though, Ingram fell far.
Well THAT'S true...Alex Mack >>>>>> Mark Sanchez
You're speculating. How would they feel if they gave up RG3 to Washington and he took them to the playoffs next year?Living in Michigan I remember very well the 1st pick in 2009 for the Detroit Lions. You wouldn't have believed the local talk shows and water cooler talk and how I remember it being maybe 50-50 on whether they wanted Stafford or not. Many wanted Aaron Curry with the 1st overall pick, and others wanted Jason Smith. I never understood it, especially with rookie contracts the way they were then. Now no one owns up to wanting Curry or Smith anymore around here, everyone claims to have been a Stafford honk from day one......yeah, right.'cstu said:How do you think Browns fans will be if RG3 is a bust and they watch Richardson and all the players they could had have go on to the Pro Bowl?'Andy Dufresne said:I think the Dog Pound would set the river on fire again if the team passed on an apparent franchise QB in favor of an RB.
Their odds of doing this would improve if Blackmon runs a sub par 40.Stl in prime position to trade down and gain picks....and still get blackmon
Cleveland was actually 5th this year in points allowed.Of course, I had the luxury of not being forced to watch any Cleveland games this year so I can't say how much of that was due to teams playing it safe on offense because they knew Cleveland wouldn't score much. Still, I was under the impression that Cleveland's D was actually pretty good and underrated this year.'Andy Dufresne said:They're a little more balanced between offense and defense though. Teams that would be a fit for Richardson probably (I say that without looking) don't have the same calibre of defense that those teams do, so a player with his skills wouldn't be where you'd start building your team if you're at the top of the draft.'cstu said:Teams can do that if they have a great QB but the Texans, 49ers and Ravens have done well relying on the run.While he's a great talent, I don't expect Richardson to go very high.A good number of the playoff teams barely have a running game at all. It's a passing league and I think you'll see teams draft according to the monkey see monkey do pattern the NFL follows.
For every Stafford there's a...wait for it...Vince Young.You're speculating. How would they feel if they gave up RG3 to Washington and he took them to the playoffs next year?Living in Michigan I remember very well the 1st pick in 2009 for the Detroit Lions. You wouldn't have believed the local talk shows and water cooler talk and how I remember it being maybe 50-50 on whether they wanted Stafford or not. Many wanted Aaron Curry with the 1st overall pick, and others wanted Jason Smith. I never understood it, especially with rookie contracts the way they were then. Now no one owns up to wanting Curry or Smith anymore around here, everyone claims to have been a Stafford honk from day one......yeah, right.'cstu said:How do you think Browns fans will be if RG3 is a bust and they watch Richardson and all the players they could had have go on to the Pro Bowl?'Andy Dufresne said:I think the Dog Pound would set the river on fire again if the team passed on an apparent franchise QB in favor of an RB.
This is my reasoning. Sanchez isn't going anywhere and the Jets are a running team. Greene is ok, but he would do better giving Richardson a breather. Richardson would open up the passing game as well since team would respect the run much more than with Greene and he's a far better receiver. Greene also isn't young (turns 27 in August).If they keep Sanchez without adding a bonafide challenger at QB, they need Richardson to be a bellcow. Greene is decent, but in the end, we will think of him as Ryan Grant-lite...not terrible, but not the running game makings of a team that depends on the run. In fact, the RBs I think they need to keep most are LT (dependable) and McKnight (otherwordly in the return game)...Bilal Johnson may be the odd man out and honestly, I never understood the hype (interestingly it came from FF guys outside of Jets fans than actual Jets fans for the most part). I'd love a guy like Richardson unless a true pass-rush option were available (and not a one dimensional guy...someone who could sack a QB and on the next play stuff a FB).'Andy Dufresne said:Think so? Wouldn't really see them doing that. They need more like a linebacker or a d-end, don't they? Maybe a WR?'cstu said:The Jets wouldn't pass on him if he's there.'scrumptrulescent said:I was thinking the Jets.'Andy Dufresne said:That's about where I think he'd go, unless a team like Tampa does something crazy.I think he goes somewhere between and including Cincinnati's two picks to a team like Chicago, NYG, or Cleveland.'cheese said:I hope you're right. I think the Bengals would jump out of their seats for him at #17 if he made it that far. I think if he starts sliding that far though someone will trade up and pick him before that. Hard to say though, Ingram fell far.