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2012 NFL Draft order (1 Viewer)

NorrisB

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2012 Draft(NYG win)

1IND

2STL

3MIN

4CLE

5TB

6WAS

7JAC

(8CAR-MIA)

10BUF

(11KC-SEA)

13ARI

14DAL

15PHI

16NYJ

17OAK Bengals

18SD

19CHI

20TEN (coin toss)

4 minutes ago

 
Any way it doesn't go like this?

1IND - Luck

2STL - Blackmon (It's obvious that the Rams need to get Bradford a playmaker)

3MIN - Kalil

4CLE - Claiborne (RGIII or Richardson are options but CB's like Claiborne don't come around very often)

 
Any way it doesn't go like this?1IND - Luck2STL - Blackmon (It's obvious that the Rams need to get Bradford a playmaker)3MIN - Kalil4CLE - Claiborne (RGIII or Richardson are options but CB's like Claiborne don't come around very often)
Maybe. Blackmon at 2 is too early. They can trade out with someone that wants RG3 and has to leap over the Browns in case they want him.
 
'FavreCo said:
'cstu said:
Any way it doesn't go like this?1IND - Luck2STL - Blackmon (It's obvious that the Rams need to get Bradford a playmaker)3MIN - Kalil4CLE - Claiborne (RGIII or Richardson are options but CB's like Claiborne don't come around very often)
Maybe. Blackmon at 2 is too early. They can trade out with someone that wants RG3 and has to leap over the Browns in case they want him.
I think the Browns take Blackmon if he's there.
 
'cstu said:
Any way it doesn't go like this?1IND - Luck2STL - Blackmon (It's obvious that the Rams need to get Bradford a playmaker)3MIN - Kalil4CLE - Claiborne (RGIII or Richardson are options but CB's like Claiborne don't come around very often)
Cleveland's pass defense was one of the top units in 2011, why grab a CB when their offense is awful. I would think they would have to go RG3 if he grades out as a top 5 pick.
 
'cstu said:
Any way it doesn't go like this?1IND - Luck2STL - Blackmon (It's obvious that the Rams need to get Bradford a playmaker)3MIN - Kalil4CLE - Claiborne (RGIII or Richardson are options but CB's like Claiborne don't come around very often)
Cleveland's pass defense was one of the top units in 2011, why grab a CB when their offense is awful. I would think they would have to go RG3 if he grades out as a top 5 pick.
There's talk of Sheldon Brown being moved to safety next year since his skills have diminished. Haden and Claiborne at CB and Brown at safety would be an even better pass defense.If RG3 grades out that high then they should take him. I'm interested to see how he does in the pre-draft workouts.
 
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'cstu said:
Any way it doesn't go like this?1IND - Luck2STL - Blackmon (It's obvious that the Rams need to get Bradford a playmaker)3MIN - Kalil4CLE - Claiborne (RGIII or Richardson are options but CB's like Claiborne don't come around very often)
Cleveland's pass defense was one of the top units in 2011, why grab a CB when their offense is awful. I would think they would have to go RG3 if he grades out as a top 5 pick.
There's talk of Sheldon Brown being moved to safety next year since his skills have diminished. Haden and Claiborne at CB and Brown at safety would be an even better pass defense.If RG3 grades out that high then they should take him. I'm interested to see how he does in the pre-draft workouts.
I don't buy Cleveland going Claiborne either. The offense is not only pathetic, but it seems to have no plan right now. The fans would revolt if they went another year with Colt McCoy and joke WR's. They're probably going to lose Hillis too. Unlike most teams at the top of the draft, they do already have a decent line for next year if they can get healthy. That makes picking an offensive skill player even more attractive. RG3, Trent, Blackmon, or even trading up for Luck all seem more likely to me than Claiborne.I do agree with you that Haden/Claiborne as a combo would be ridiculous. Unfortunately, you would probably need about 3 points to beat them next year if they go that direction so they would be facing a ton of run plays.
 
'FavreCo said:
'cstu said:
Any way it doesn't go like this?1IND - Luck2STL - Blackmon (It's obvious that the Rams need to get Bradford a playmaker)3MIN - Kalil4CLE - Claiborne (RGIII or Richardson are options but CB's like Claiborne don't come around very often)
Maybe. Blackmon at 2 is too early. They can trade out with someone that wants RG3 and has to leap over the Browns in case they want him.
I think the Browns take Blackmon if he's there.
Certainly possible. That would be STL's dilemma. Trade back and then watch the guy you need get taken because you did.
 
St. Louis would more likely take Kalil than Blackmon, IMO.

In which case, the Vikings either have a dilemma or are in the catbird seat.

 
Stl in prime position to trade down and gain picks....and still get blackmon
After looking at the Rams situation more it's seems a no-brainer to take Kalil - barring a ridiculous offer by a team to move up for RG3. Jason Smith is total bust with concussion issues and I can see the Rams cutting him and his $10M contract. Taking Kalil allows them to move Saffold to RT and cut Smith.
 
St. Louis would more likely take Kalil than Blackmon, IMO.In which case, the Vikings either have a dilemma or are in the catbird seat.
With Kalil gone, would the Vikings pass on Blackmon? OL is a huge need but I don't anyone else worth taking over him.
 
How about the Browns trading their spot to the Redskins and taking Richardson at #6? The Browns have a lot of holes and more draft picks would help.

 
'cstu said:
Any way it doesn't go like this?1IND - Luck2STL - Blackmon (It's obvious that the Rams need to get Bradford a playmaker)3MIN - Kalil4CLE - Claiborne (RGIII or Richardson are options but CB's like Claiborne don't come around very often)
Cleveland's pass defense was one of the top units in 2011, why grab a CB when their offense is awful. I would think they would have to go RG3 if he grades out as a top 5 pick.
There's talk of Sheldon Brown being moved to safety next year since his skills have diminished. Haden and Claiborne at CB and Brown at safety would be an even better pass defense.If RG3 grades out that high then they should take him. I'm interested to see how he does in the pre-draft workouts.
I don't buy Cleveland going Claiborne either. The offense is not only pathetic, but it seems to have no plan right now. The fans would revolt if they went another year with Colt McCoy and joke WR's. They're probably going to lose Hillis too. Unlike most teams at the top of the draft, they do already have a decent line for next year if they can get healthy. That makes picking an offensive skill player even more attractive. RG3, Trent, Blackmon, or even trading up for Luck all seem more likely to me than Claiborne.I do agree with you that Haden/Claiborne as a combo would be ridiculous. Unfortunately, you would probably need about 3 points to beat them next year if they go that direction so they would be facing a ton of run plays.
:goodposting: That is exactly why I can't imagine them taking Clairborne. I can't imagine that really helping them win more games. After watching Newton and Dalton this year, I would think Cleveland would have to be much more happy selecting someone who could improve their pathetic offense or their bad run defense. Adding to their solid pass defense seems like they continue to lose the same amount of games as this year.
 
While he's a great talent, I don't expect Richardson to go very high.

A good number of the playoff teams barely have a running game at all. It's a passing league and I think you'll see teams draft according to the monkey see monkey do pattern the NFL follows.

 
While he's a great talent, I don't expect Richardson to go very high.A good number of the playoff teams barely have a running game at all. It's a passing league and I think you'll see teams draft according to the monkey see monkey do pattern the NFL follows.
Teams can do that if they have a great QB but the Texans, 49ers and Ravens have done well relying on the run.
 
While he's a great talent, I don't expect Richardson to go very high.A good number of the playoff teams barely have a running game at all. It's a passing league and I think you'll see teams draft according to the monkey see monkey do pattern the NFL follows.
Teams can do that if they have a great QB but the Texans, 49ers and Ravens have done well relying on the run.
They're a little more balanced between offense and defense though. Teams that would be a fit for Richardson probably (I say that without looking) don't have the same calibre of defense that those teams do, so a player with his skills wouldn't be where you'd start building your team if you're at the top of the draft.
 
Cleveland, Washington, Miami all starving for a franchise QB. Indy will get offers from someone, but who knows what they'll do. Who goes after Matt Flynn? Who trades up/down? Should be interesting.

 
While he's a great talent, I don't expect Richardson to go very high.

A good number of the playoff teams barely have a running game at all. It's a passing league and I think you'll see teams draft according to the monkey see monkey do pattern the NFL follows.
Teams can do that if they have a great QB but the Texans, 49ers and Ravens have done well relying on the run.
They're a little more balanced between offense and defense though. Teams that would be a fit for Richardson probably (I say that without looking) don't have the same calibre of defense that those teams do, so a player with his skills wouldn't be where you'd start building your team if you're at the top of the draft.
I agree with you, but let's say they follow what the Chargers did by taking LT when they were terrible. The Browns will certainly be bad again and have a shot at Barkley next year. They may be able to pick up the Redskins 1st next year by trading down and could actually turn the team around in a couple of years.
 
While he's a great talent, I don't expect Richardson to go very high.A good number of the playoff teams barely have a running game at all. It's a passing league and I think you'll see teams draft according to the monkey see monkey do pattern the NFL follows.
Teams can do that if they have a great QB but the Texans, 49ers and Ravens have done well relying on the run.
They're a little more balanced between offense and defense though. Teams that would be a fit for Richardson probably (I say that without looking) don't have the same calibre of defense that those teams do, so a player with his skills wouldn't be where you'd start building your team if you're at the top of the draft.
I hope you're right. I think the Bengals would jump out of their seats for him at #17 if he made it that far. I think if he starts sliding that far though someone will trade up and pick him before that. Hard to say though, Ingram fell far.
 
While he's a great talent, I don't expect Richardson to go very high.

A good number of the playoff teams barely have a running game at all. It's a passing league and I think you'll see teams draft according to the monkey see monkey do pattern the NFL follows.
Teams can do that if they have a great QB but the Texans, 49ers and Ravens have done well relying on the run.
They're a little more balanced between offense and defense though. Teams that would be a fit for Richardson probably (I say that without looking) don't have the same calibre of defense that those teams do, so a player with his skills wouldn't be where you'd start building your team if you're at the top of the draft.
I agree with you, but let's say they follow what the Chargers did by taking LT when they were terrible. The Browns will certainly be bad again and have a shot at Barkley next year. They may be able to pick up the Redskins 1st next year by trading down and could actually turn the team around in a couple of years.
SD took Brees in the 2nd round after taking LT in the 1st.Do you think the Browns would trade down if RG3 is there? Why?

 
Rams have a lot of holes so I would agree with those that say Blackmon is not a lock there. They could resign Lloyd or a different FA (tons of WR's available this year) and spend that pick on Kalil to protect their investment in Bradford.

Where Richardson goes is anybodies guess. He'll grade out a lot better than Ingram, but there's not a huge demand for RB's. Plus we have yet to see where Hillis, Bush, or the rest of FA's land.

 
I hope you're right. I think the Bengals would jump out of their seats for him at #17 if he made it that far. I think if he starts sliding that far though someone will trade up and pick him before that. Hard to say though, Ingram fell far.
That's about where I think he'd go, unless a team like Tampa does something crazy.I think he goes somewhere between and including Cincinnati's two picks to a team like Chicago, NYG, or Cleveland.
 
I hope you're right. I think the Bengals would jump out of their seats for him at #17 if he made it that far. I think if he starts sliding that far though someone will trade up and pick him before that. Hard to say though, Ingram fell far.
That's about where I think he'd go, unless a team like Tampa does something crazy.I think he goes somewhere between and including Cincinnati's two picks to a team like Chicago, NYG, or Cleveland.
I was thinking the Jets.
 
While he's a great talent, I don't expect Richardson to go very high.

A good number of the playoff teams barely have a running game at all. It's a passing league and I think you'll see teams draft according to the monkey see monkey do pattern the NFL follows.
Teams can do that if they have a great QB but the Texans, 49ers and Ravens have done well relying on the run.
They're a little more balanced between offense and defense though. Teams that would be a fit for Richardson probably (I say that without looking) don't have the same calibre of defense that those teams do, so a player with his skills wouldn't be where you'd start building your team if you're at the top of the draft.
I agree with you, but let's say they follow what the Chargers did by taking LT when they were terrible. The Browns will certainly be bad again and have a shot at Barkley next year. They may be able to pick up the Redskins 1st next year by trading down and could actually turn the team around in a couple of years.
SD took Brees in the 2nd round after taking LT in the 1st.Do you think the Browns would trade down if RG3 is there? Why?
Because Richardson and draft picks > RG3. The Browns also need a lot more than RG3 and IMO it's going to take a few years for RG3 to be a good NFL QB.
 
I hope you're right. I think the Bengals would jump out of their seats for him at #17 if he made it that far. I think if he starts sliding that far though someone will trade up and pick him before that. Hard to say though, Ingram fell far.
That's about where I think he'd go, unless a team like Tampa does something crazy.I think he goes somewhere between and including Cincinnati's two picks to a team like Chicago, NYG, or Cleveland.
I was thinking the Jets.
The Jets wouldn't pass on him if he's there.
 
I hope you're right. I think the Bengals would jump out of their seats for him at #17 if he made it that far. I think if he starts sliding that far though someone will trade up and pick him before that. Hard to say though, Ingram fell far.
That's about where I think he'd go, unless a team like Tampa does something crazy.I think he goes somewhere between and including Cincinnati's two picks to a team like Chicago, NYG, or Cleveland.
I was thinking the Jets.
The Jets wouldn't pass on him if he's there.
Think so? Wouldn't really see them doing that. They need more like a linebacker or a d-end, don't they? Maybe a WR?
 
While he's a great talent, I don't expect Richardson to go very high.

A good number of the playoff teams barely have a running game at all. It's a passing league and I think you'll see teams draft according to the monkey see monkey do pattern the NFL follows.
Teams can do that if they have a great QB but the Texans, 49ers and Ravens have done well relying on the run.
They're a little more balanced between offense and defense though. Teams that would be a fit for Richardson probably (I say that without looking) don't have the same calibre of defense that those teams do, so a player with his skills wouldn't be where you'd start building your team if you're at the top of the draft.
I agree with you, but let's say they follow what the Chargers did by taking LT when they were terrible. The Browns will certainly be bad again and have a shot at Barkley next year. They may be able to pick up the Redskins 1st next year by trading down and could actually turn the team around in a couple of years.
SD took Brees in the 2nd round after taking LT in the 1st.Do you think the Browns would trade down if RG3 is there? Why?
Because Richardson and draft picks > RG3. The Browns also need a lot more than RG3 and IMO it's going to take a few years for RG3 to be a good NFL QB.
I'm not sure why you would pass on a franchise QB when you get the shot at one. Were Newton and Dalton considered more NFL ready than RG3? :unsure:
 
While he's a great talent, I don't expect Richardson to go very high.

A good number of the playoff teams barely have a running game at all. It's a passing league and I think you'll see teams draft according to the monkey see monkey do pattern the NFL follows.
Teams can do that if they have a great QB but the Texans, 49ers and Ravens have done well relying on the run.
They're a little more balanced between offense and defense though. Teams that would be a fit for Richardson probably (I say that without looking) don't have the same calibre of defense that those teams do, so a player with his skills wouldn't be where you'd start building your team if you're at the top of the draft.
I agree with you, but let's say they follow what the Chargers did by taking LT when they were terrible. The Browns will certainly be bad again and have a shot at Barkley next year. They may be able to pick up the Redskins 1st next year by trading down and could actually turn the team around in a couple of years.
SD took Brees in the 2nd round after taking LT in the 1st.Do you think the Browns would trade down if RG3 is there? Why?
Because Richardson and draft picks > RG3. The Browns also need a lot more than RG3 and IMO it's going to take a few years for RG3 to be a good NFL QB.
I'm not sure why you would pass on a franchise QB when you get the shot at one. Were Newton and Dalton considered more NFL ready than RG3? :unsure:
Why no concerns about RG3? He's a very high risk high reward QB but why not take advantage of the Redskins desperation to get him and set up the team for the long-term? Don't get me wrong, I like RG3 but I'm not ignoring the risks as many seem to be.
 
I think the Dog Pound would set the river on fire again if the team passed on an apparent franchise QB in favor of an RB.
How do you think Browns fans will be if RG3 is a bust and they watch Richardson and all the players they could had have go on to the Pro Bowl?
 
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I think the Dog Pound would set the river on fire again if the team passed on an apparent franchise QB in favor of an RB.
How do you think Browns fans will be if RG3 is a bust and they watch Richardson and all the players they could had have go on to the Pro Bowl?
Are they pleased with the results of the 23 picks they got in exchange for trading down from the Sanchez pick? Not that Sanchez was the answer either either, but "trading down" isn't a magic bullet.Not sure I've got it all right, but all those trading down of those picks netted them these guys: Alex Mack, Mohamed Massaquoi, David Veikune, Coye Francies, James Davis, Kenyon Coleman, Brett Ratliff, and Abram Elam.How many are even on the team, much less Pro Bowlers?
 
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'Andy Dufresne said:
'cstu said:
'Andy Dufresne said:
I think the Dog Pound would set the river on fire again if the team passed on an apparent franchise QB in favor of an RB.
How do you think Browns fans will be if RG3 is a bust and they watch Richardson and all the players they could had have go on to the Pro Bowl?
Are they pleased with the results of the 23 picks they got in exchange for trading down from the Sanchez pick? Not that Sanchez was the answer either either, but "trading down" isn't a magic bullet.Not sure I've got it all right, but all those trading down of those picks netted them these guys: Alex Mack, Mohamed Massaquoi, David Veikune, Coye Francies, James Davis, Kenyon Coleman, Brett Ratliff, and Abram Elam.How many are even on the team, much less Pro Bowlers?
Alex Mack >>>>>> Mark Sanchez
 
'Andy Dufresne said:
'cstu said:
'scrumptrulescent said:
'Andy Dufresne said:
'cheese said:
I hope you're right. I think the Bengals would jump out of their seats for him at #17 if he made it that far. I think if he starts sliding that far though someone will trade up and pick him before that. Hard to say though, Ingram fell far.
That's about where I think he'd go, unless a team like Tampa does something crazy.I think he goes somewhere between and including Cincinnati's two picks to a team like Chicago, NYG, or Cleveland.
I was thinking the Jets.
The Jets wouldn't pass on him if he's there.
Think so? Wouldn't really see them doing that. They need more like a linebacker or a d-end, don't they? Maybe a WR?
If they keep Sanchez without adding a bonafide challenger at QB, they need Richardson to be a bellcow. Greene is decent, but in the end, we will think of him as Ryan Grant-lite...not terrible, but not the running game makings of a team that depends on the run. In fact, the RBs I think they need to keep most are LT (dependable) and McKnight (otherwordly in the return game)...Bilal Johnson may be the odd man out and honestly, I never understood the hype (interestingly it came from FF guys outside of Jets fans than actual Jets fans for the most part). I'd love a guy like Richardson unless a true pass-rush option were available (and not a one dimensional guy...someone who could sack a QB and on the next play stuff a FB).
 
'cstu said:
'Andy Dufresne said:
I think the Dog Pound would set the river on fire again if the team passed on an apparent franchise QB in favor of an RB.
How do you think Browns fans will be if RG3 is a bust and they watch Richardson and all the players they could had have go on to the Pro Bowl?
You're speculating. How would they feel if they gave up RG3 to Washington and he took them to the playoffs next year?Living in Michigan I remember very well the 1st pick in 2009 for the Detroit Lions. You wouldn't have believed the local talk shows and water cooler talk and how I remember it being maybe 50-50 on whether they wanted Stafford or not. Many wanted Aaron Curry with the 1st overall pick, and others wanted Jason Smith. I never understood it, especially with rookie contracts the way they were then. Now no one owns up to wanting Curry or Smith anymore around here, everyone claims to have been a Stafford honk from day one......yeah, right.
 
'Andy Dufresne said:
'cstu said:
While he's a great talent, I don't expect Richardson to go very high.A good number of the playoff teams barely have a running game at all. It's a passing league and I think you'll see teams draft according to the monkey see monkey do pattern the NFL follows.
Teams can do that if they have a great QB but the Texans, 49ers and Ravens have done well relying on the run.
They're a little more balanced between offense and defense though. Teams that would be a fit for Richardson probably (I say that without looking) don't have the same calibre of defense that those teams do, so a player with his skills wouldn't be where you'd start building your team if you're at the top of the draft.
Cleveland was actually 5th this year in points allowed.Of course, I had the luxury of not being forced to watch any Cleveland games this year so I can't say how much of that was due to teams playing it safe on offense because they knew Cleveland wouldn't score much. Still, I was under the impression that Cleveland's D was actually pretty good and underrated this year.
 
'cstu said:
'Andy Dufresne said:
I think the Dog Pound would set the river on fire again if the team passed on an apparent franchise QB in favor of an RB.
How do you think Browns fans will be if RG3 is a bust and they watch Richardson and all the players they could had have go on to the Pro Bowl?
You're speculating. How would they feel if they gave up RG3 to Washington and he took them to the playoffs next year?Living in Michigan I remember very well the 1st pick in 2009 for the Detroit Lions. You wouldn't have believed the local talk shows and water cooler talk and how I remember it being maybe 50-50 on whether they wanted Stafford or not. Many wanted Aaron Curry with the 1st overall pick, and others wanted Jason Smith. I never understood it, especially with rookie contracts the way they were then. Now no one owns up to wanting Curry or Smith anymore around here, everyone claims to have been a Stafford honk from day one......yeah, right.
For every Stafford there's a...wait for it...Vince Young.
 
'Andy Dufresne said:
'cstu said:
'scrumptrulescent said:
'Andy Dufresne said:
'cheese said:
I hope you're right. I think the Bengals would jump out of their seats for him at #17 if he made it that far. I think if he starts sliding that far though someone will trade up and pick him before that. Hard to say though, Ingram fell far.
That's about where I think he'd go, unless a team like Tampa does something crazy.I think he goes somewhere between and including Cincinnati's two picks to a team like Chicago, NYG, or Cleveland.
I was thinking the Jets.
The Jets wouldn't pass on him if he's there.
Think so? Wouldn't really see them doing that. They need more like a linebacker or a d-end, don't they? Maybe a WR?
If they keep Sanchez without adding a bonafide challenger at QB, they need Richardson to be a bellcow. Greene is decent, but in the end, we will think of him as Ryan Grant-lite...not terrible, but not the running game makings of a team that depends on the run. In fact, the RBs I think they need to keep most are LT (dependable) and McKnight (otherwordly in the return game)...Bilal Johnson may be the odd man out and honestly, I never understood the hype (interestingly it came from FF guys outside of Jets fans than actual Jets fans for the most part). I'd love a guy like Richardson unless a true pass-rush option were available (and not a one dimensional guy...someone who could sack a QB and on the next play stuff a FB).
This is my reasoning. Sanchez isn't going anywhere and the Jets are a running team. Greene is ok, but he would do better giving Richardson a breather. Richardson would open up the passing game as well since team would respect the run much more than with Greene and he's a far better receiver. Greene also isn't young (turns 27 in August).
 
Washington, miami, jax, will all be stampeding to take rg3.

The salary cap is more foregiving for taking qbs in the top 5.

If theres a shot at a franchise qb, gotta take it, especially with salary cap impact more conducive to a absorbing a potential bust

 
Another wild card is what do the Colts do with Manning? Is there ANY chance they trade down and stockpile talent for one last run with Peyton? Do they keep both and start Manning for 1-2 more years? Do they deal Manning to a team like the Chiefs or Skins, draft Luck, and add a 2nd mid to high #1 to add perhaps an OL or WR?

The Cowboys are picking surprisingly high for being so close to the playoffs. This pick almost has to be a pass rusher (my choice) or CB although you can't rule out an interior OL or even possibly a TE if they think someone is the next Gronk.

Rams probably need a stud OT as much as WR and should have Lloyd back. Is it a slam-dunk they go Blackmon? They seem like a prime trade down candidate for someone to take RG3 above Cle/Was.

Where guys like Flynn and Mike Bush and Lloyd goes among other key FA's will go a long way to reshaping mocks not to mention whatever happens with Manning.

 

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