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2012 NFL Draft order (1 Viewer)

'Andy Dufresne said:
'cstu said:
'scrumptrulescent said:
'Andy Dufresne said:
'cheese said:
I hope you're right. I think the Bengals would jump out of their seats for him at #17 if he made it that far. I think if he starts sliding that far though someone will trade up and pick him before that. Hard to say though, Ingram fell far.
That's about where I think he'd go, unless a team like Tampa does something crazy.I think he goes somewhere between and including Cincinnati's two picks to a team like Chicago, NYG, or Cleveland.
I was thinking the Jets.
The Jets wouldn't pass on him if he's there.
Think so? Wouldn't really see them doing that. They need more like a linebacker or a d-end, don't they? Maybe a WR?
If they keep Sanchez without adding a bonafide challenger at QB, they need Richardson to be a bellcow. Greene is decent, but in the end, we will think of him as Ryan Grant-lite...not terrible, but not the running game makings of a team that depends on the run. In fact, the RBs I think they need to keep most are LT (dependable) and McKnight (otherwordly in the return game)...Bilal Johnson may be the odd man out and honestly, I never understood the hype (interestingly it came from FF guys outside of Jets fans than actual Jets fans for the most part). I'd love a guy like Richardson unless a true pass-rush option were available (and not a one dimensional guy...someone who could sack a QB and on the next play stuff a FB).
This is my reasoning. Sanchez isn't going anywhere and the Jets are a running team. Greene is ok, but he would do better giving Richardson a breather. Richardson would open up the passing game as well since team would respect the run much more than with Greene and he's a far better receiver. Greene also isn't young (turns 27 in August).
I agree - Jets need playmakers...there is really no one on that O that scares the opposing DC...I think Jets grab the best offensive playmaker on the board whether it be RB or WR....hopefully they grab a RT and S in FA and then grab a pass rusher in rd 2.
 
Landry Jones is staying in school.

I think that makes RG3, and subsequently the Rams and Vikings picks, all the more valuable.

 
Tampa needs people to start coming to games. Claiborne isn't a sexy pick and won't sell tickets. Richardson or Blackmon wouldn't surprise me in the least.

 
'Andy Dufresne said:
'cstu said:
While he's a great talent, I don't expect Richardson to go very high.A good number of the playoff teams barely have a running game at all. It's a passing league and I think you'll see teams draft according to the monkey see monkey do pattern the NFL follows.
Teams can do that if they have a great QB but the Texans, 49ers and Ravens have done well relying on the run.
They're a little more balanced between offense and defense though. Teams that would be a fit for Richardson probably (I say that without looking) don't have the same calibre of defense that those teams do, so a player with his skills wouldn't be where you'd start building your team if you're at the top of the draft.
Cleveland was actually 5th this year in points allowed.Of course, I had the luxury of not being forced to watch any Cleveland games this year so I can't say how much of that was due to teams playing it safe on offense because they knew Cleveland wouldn't score much. Still, I was under the impression that Cleveland's D was actually pretty good and underrated this year.
They sure played the Steelers tough in the 2 games we played Cleveland.
 
'Andy Dufresne said:
Landry Jones is staying in school.I think that makes RG3, and subsequently the Rams and Vikings picks, all the more valuable.
Agreed, though unless the Rams rate Kahil or another prospect significantly higher then anyone else then I strongly suspect the Rams will trade down from the two spot.
 
'cstu said:
'Andy Dufresne said:
I think the Dog Pound would set the river on fire again if the team passed on an apparent franchise QB in favor of an RB.
How do you think Browns fans will be if RG3 is a bust and they watch Richardson and all the players they could had have go on to the Pro Bowl?
You're speculating. How would they feel if they gave up RG3 to Washington and he took them to the playoffs next year?Living in Michigan I remember very well the 1st pick in 2009 for the Detroit Lions. You wouldn't have believed the local talk shows and water cooler talk and how I remember it being maybe 50-50 on whether they wanted Stafford or not. Many wanted Aaron Curry with the 1st overall pick, and others wanted Jason Smith. I never understood it, especially with rookie contracts the way they were then. Now no one owns up to wanting Curry or Smith anymore around here, everyone claims to have been a Stafford honk from day one......yeah, right.
For every Stafford there's a...wait for it...Vince Young.
Right and Vince Young added a lot more value to his team even with a short stint than the other two.My opinion, which is a little different now that there is more of a 1st round pick cap, is that if you have a potential franchise QB, I would draft them every time. Even if Aaron Curry is an All-Pro, if you draft him first you are paying QB All-Pro money to a LB. You are behind the game salary cap wise even if they play great. I would hesitate if there are a lot of red flags, say like JaMarcus, or a situation like Leaf or Mirer where you just miss out on a great guy and reach for the next best.QB, just like every other position is littered with great picks and busts, but I don't think that QB is a "less safe" pick than other positions. I think that people remember QB busts more than Aaron Curry. Busts aside, QB is the only position that I know of that when you hit, you can go from dumps to playoffs the most quickly.I don't care if Clairborne is Revis good. He isn't going to change Cleveland as much as if RG3 is Cam Newton good.
 
My opinion, which is a little different now that there is more of a 1st round pick cap, is that if you have a potential franchise QB, I would draft them every time. Even if Aaron Curry is an All-Pro, if you draft him first you are paying QB All-Pro money to a LB. You are behind the game salary cap wise even if they play great. I would hesitate if there are a lot of red flags, say like JaMarcus, or a situation like Leaf or Mirer where you just miss out on a great guy and reach for the next best.
Isn't there some risk that that is what's going on here as well? Luck is the great guy and RG3 is the next one, who has seen his draft stock catapult partly (or even largely) on the basis of two of the other top QB propsects returning to school and the other one being locked into the #1 overall position.I'm not saying that's all RG3 is, but this stuff is all hindsight. At the time, people weren't just saying Leaf and Mirer were the "next guy" any more than they're saying it with RG3 now, and if he does bust and someone tries to make the same point as you 5 years from now they'd likely use him as one of those examples.

 
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Another wild card is what do the Colts do with Manning? Is there ANY chance they trade down and stockpile talent for one last run with Peyton? Do they keep both and start Manning for 1-2 more years? Do they deal Manning to a team like the Chiefs or Skins, draft Luck, and add a 2nd mid to high #1 to add perhaps an OL or WR?The Cowboys are picking surprisingly high for being so close to the playoffs. This pick almost has to be a pass rusher (my choice) or CB although you can't rule out an interior OL or even possibly a TE if they think someone is the next Gronk.Rams probably need a stud OT as much as WR and should have Lloyd back. Is it a slam-dunk they go Blackmon? They seem like a prime trade down candidate for someone to take RG3 above Cle/Was.Where guys like Flynn and Mike Bush and Lloyd goes among other key FA's will go a long way to reshaping mocks not to mention whatever happens with Manning.
Manning is a Colt as long as they can work out the money. Drafting Luck has little to do with it since he can sit the bench for a year or two and learn from the best.The Cowboys have a good core but need a lot of help so I see them going BPA.While Blackmon is a need for the Rams, they need someone to protect Bradford even more. If Kalil is as good as advertised they take him.
 
My opinion, which is a little different now that there is more of a 1st round pick cap, is that if you have a potential franchise QB, I would draft them every time. Even if Aaron Curry is an All-Pro, if you draft him first you are paying QB All-Pro money to a LB. You are behind the game salary cap wise even if they play great. I would hesitate if there are a lot of red flags, say like JaMarcus, or a situation like Leaf or Mirer where you just miss out on a great guy and reach for the next best.
Isn't there some risk that that is what's going on here as well? Luck is the great guy and RG3 is the next one, who has seen his draft stock catapult partly (or even largely) on the basis of two of the other top QB propsects returning to school and the other one being locked into the #1 overall position.I'm not saying that's all RG3 is, but this stuff is all hindsight. At the time, people weren't just saying Leaf and Mirer were the "next guy" any more than they're saying it with RG3 now, and if he does bust and someone tries to make the same point as you 5 years from now they'd likely use him as one of those examples.
I'm seeing hype over RG3 like I've never seen and it concerns me when there's this amount of group-think. Personally, I have trouble finding holes in his game and clearly he's a smart guy who shouldn't have trouble at the next level, but yet there's something I'm still not feeling about him. This is coming from someone who was a huge fan of Vick when he came out and thought Cam would be good (though not like he was) but down on Vince Young. I still believe RG3 will be good (I've compared him to Steve Young) but I think Cam's success has heightened people's expectations for him and that it'll take him a few years to be a really good NFL QB.

 
My opinion, which is a little different now that there is more of a 1st round pick cap, is that if you have a potential franchise QB, I would draft them every time. Even if Aaron Curry is an All-Pro, if you draft him first you are paying QB All-Pro money to a LB. You are behind the game salary cap wise even if they play great. I would hesitate if there are a lot of red flags, say like JaMarcus, or a situation like Leaf or Mirer where you just miss out on a great guy and reach for the next best.
Isn't there some risk that that is what's going on here as well? Luck is the great guy and RG3 is the next one, who has seen his draft stock catapult partly (or even largely) on the basis of two of the other top QB propsects returning to school and the other one being locked into the #1 overall position.I'm not saying that's all RG3 is, but this stuff is all hindsight. At the time, people weren't just saying Leaf and Mirer were the "next guy" any more than they're saying it with RG3 now, and if he does bust and someone tries to make the same point as you 5 years from now they'd likely use him as one of those examples.
Absolutely a risk. Without hearing all of the combine/tryout details, I have no idea on RG3. My main thought is still that if a team thinks they have a franchise QB in a pick, I would not hesitate to pull the trigger. Below is a list of Super Bowl winning QBs (not even including losing QBs like Kelly, Marino, etc.). While there are some Dilfers in there, most of the list is solid/HOF QBs. I know winning SBs helps to make the HOF, but look at the more recent ones starting with Aikman, we have S. Young, Aikman, Brady, Roethlisberger, Brees, Rodgers, Elway, Favre, Warner, P. Manning and E. Manning as 17 of last 19. The only odd balls are Brad Johnson and Dilfer who were on rare great Ds. With Brees, Roethlisberger, E. Manning, Rodgers and Brady as 5 of the 8 playoff teams, it is probably going to be 18 of 20.
Super Bowl I - Bart Starr

Super Bowl II - Bart Starr

Super Bowl III - Joe Namath

Super Bowl IV - Len Dawson

Super Bowl V - Johnny Unitas

Super Bowl VI - Roger Staubach

Super Bowl VII - Bob Griese

Super Bowl VIII - Bob Griese

Super Bowl IX - Terry Bradshaw

Super Bowl X - Terry Bradshaw

Super Bowl XI - Ken Stabler

Super Bowl XII - Roger Staubach

Super Bowl XIII - Terry Bradshaw

Super Bowl XIV - Terry Bradshaw

Super Bowl XV - Jim Plunkett

Super Bowl XVI - Joe Montana

Super Bowl XVII - Joe Theismann

Super Bowl XVIII - Jim Plunkett

Super Bowl XIX - Joe Montana

Super Bowl XX - Jim McMahon

Super Bowl XXI - Phil Simms

Super Bowl XXII - Doug Williams

Super Bowl XXIII - Joe Montana

Super Bowl XXIV - Joe Montana

Super Bowl XXV - Jeff Hostetler

Super Bowl XXVI - Mark Rypien

Super Bowl XXVII - Troy Aikman

Super Bowl XXVIII - Troy Aikman

Super Bowl XXIX - Steve Young

Super Bowl XXX - Troy Aikman

Super Bowl XXXI - Brett Favre

Super Bowl XXXII - John Elway

Super Bowl XXXIII - John Elway

Super Bowl XXXIV - Kurt Warner

Super Bowl XXXV - Trent Dilfer

Super Bowl XXXVI - Tom Brady

Super Bowl XXXVII - Brad Johnson

Super Bowl XXXVIII - Tom Brady

Super Bowl XXXIX - Tom Brady

Super Bowl XL - Ben Roethlisberger

Super Bowl XLI - Peyton Manning

Super Bowl XLII - Eli Manning

Super Bowl XLIII - Ben Roethlisberger

Super Bowl XLIV - Drew Brees

Super Bowl XLV - Aaron Rodgers
 
Any way it doesn't go like this?1IND - Luck2STL - Blackmon (It's obvious that the Rams need to get Bradford a playmaker)3MIN - Kalil4CLE - Claiborne (RGIII or Richardson are options but CB's like Claiborne don't come around very often)
Cleveland's pass defense was one of the top units in 2011, why grab a CB when their offense is awful. I would think they would have to go RG3 if he grades out as a top 5 pick.
There's talk of Sheldon Brown being moved to safety next year since his skills have diminished. Haden and Claiborne at CB and Brown at safety would be an even better pass defense.If RG3 grades out that high then they should take him. I'm interested to see how he does in the pre-draft workouts.
I don't buy Cleveland going Claiborne either. The offense is not only pathetic, but it seems to have no plan right now. The fans would revolt if they went another year with Colt McCoy and joke WR's. They're probably going to lose Hillis too. Unlike most teams at the top of the draft, they do already have a decent line for next year if they can get healthy. That makes picking an offensive skill player even more attractive. RG3, Trent, Blackmon, or even trading up for Luck all seem more likely to me than Claiborne.I do agree with you that Haden/Claiborne as a combo would be ridiculous. Unfortunately, you would probably need about 3 points to beat them next year if they go that direction so they would be facing a ton of run plays.
The Browns have two first rounders, so they could go BPA and take Claiborne, and then focus on needs.How about:1.05: CB Claiborne1.23: WR Kendall Wright (Using the pick we got for passing on Julio Jones on a WR, I think Wright is a good fit here)2.05: DE Fletcher Cox3.05: RB LaMichael James (Browns want an RB with the speed to get to the outside, not to mention the irony of his name being so close to LeBron James)4.05: OG
 
My opinion, which is a little different now that there is more of a 1st round pick cap, is that if you have a potential franchise QB, I would draft them every time. Even if Aaron Curry is an All-Pro, if you draft him first you are paying QB All-Pro money to a LB. You are behind the game salary cap wise even if they play great. I would hesitate if there are a lot of red flags, say like JaMarcus, or a situation like Leaf or Mirer where you just miss out on a great guy and reach for the next best.
Isn't there some risk that that is what's going on here as well? Luck is the great guy and RG3 is the next one, who has seen his draft stock catapult partly (or even largely) on the basis of two of the other top QB propsects returning to school and the other one being locked into the #1 overall position.I'm not saying that's all RG3 is, but this stuff is all hindsight. At the time, people weren't just saying Leaf and Mirer were the "next guy" any more than they're saying it with RG3 now, and if he does bust and someone tries to make the same point as you 5 years from now they'd likely use him as one of those examples.
Absolutely a risk. Without hearing all of the combine/tryout details, I have no idea on RG3. My main thought is still that if a team thinks they have a franchise QB in a pick, I would not hesitate to pull the trigger. Below is a list of Super Bowl winning QBs (not even including losing QBs like Kelly, Marino, etc.). While there are some Dilfers in there, most of the list is solid/HOF QBs. I know winning SBs helps to make the HOF, but look at the more recent ones starting with Aikman, we have S. Young, Aikman, Brady, Roethlisberger, Brees, Rodgers, Elway, Favre, Warner, P. Manning and E. Manning as 17 of last 19. The only odd balls are Brad Johnson and Dilfer who were on rare great Ds. With Brees, Roethlisberger, E. Manning, Rodgers and Brady as 5 of the 8 playoff teams, it is probably going to be 18 of 20.
Most of those guys were the #1 overall pick or late 1st/early 2nd picks. Since 1980 (as far as I went back) the best QB's who were drafted in the top 10 (and not #1) were Rivers, McNabb, Collins, Dilfer and McMahon.
 
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My opinion, which is a little different now that there is more of a 1st round pick cap, is that if you have a potential franchise QB, I would draft them every time. Even if Aaron Curry is an All-Pro, if you draft him first you are paying QB All-Pro money to a LB. You are behind the game salary cap wise even if they play great. I would hesitate if there are a lot of red flags, say like JaMarcus, or a situation like Leaf or Mirer where you just miss out on a great guy and reach for the next best.
Isn't there some risk that that is what's going on here as well? Luck is the great guy and RG3 is the next one, who has seen his draft stock catapult partly (or even largely) on the basis of two of the other top QB propsects returning to school and the other one being locked into the #1 overall position.I'm not saying that's all RG3 is, but this stuff is all hindsight. At the time, people weren't just saying Leaf and Mirer were the "next guy" any more than they're saying it with RG3 now, and if he does bust and someone tries to make the same point as you 5 years from now they'd likely use him as one of those examples.
Absolutely a risk. Without hearing all of the combine/tryout details, I have no idea on RG3. My main thought is still that if a team thinks they have a franchise QB in a pick, I would not hesitate to pull the trigger. Below is a list of Super Bowl winning QBs (not even including losing QBs like Kelly, Marino, etc.). While there are some Dilfers in there, most of the list is solid/HOF QBs. I know winning SBs helps to make the HOF, but look at the more recent ones starting with Aikman, we have S. Young, Aikman, Brady, Roethlisberger, Brees, Rodgers, Elway, Favre, Warner, P. Manning and E. Manning as 17 of last 19. The only odd balls are Brad Johnson and Dilfer who were on rare great Ds. With Brees, Roethlisberger, E. Manning, Rodgers and Brady as 5 of the 8 playoff teams, it is probably going to be 18 of 20.
Most of those guys were the #1 overall pick or late 1st/early 2nd picks. Since 1980 (as far as I went back) the best QB's who were drafted in the top 10 (and not #1) were Rivers, McNabb, Collins, Dilfer and McMahon.
I would put Steve McNair in there as a decent QB as well.That's an odd cutoff since you cutoff folks like Roethlisberger, Rodgers, Favre, Brees, Jim Kelly, Marino, etc. who were still early picks. It also conveniently leaves off 3 #11 picks, Roethlisberger, Cutler and Culpepper, who have been solid QBs. Emmitt Smith was a later 1st round pick, so we should exclude him from the discussion of taking RBs early in the draft? You can't exclude the #1 overall pick from the discussion because that is my point, if you want to win a Super Bowl, you are taking a QB in the 1st round.

Also, interesting enough McNair, McNabb, Collins, Dilfer and McMahon have all been to Super Bowls winning 2 of them and Rivers has been a Pro-Bowler, so it seems to support my argument of taking a potential franchise QB in the 1st round if you really think they are that good.

In the 45 SBs, 13 were won by #1 picks, 16 were won by early picks (within the first 33 picks) and 9 of them were won by the best value draft picks ever in Starr, Montana and Brady. I included Staubach in the early picks as if it were not for his military service, the Heisman Trophy winner would have been an early pick. I didn't include Hostetler's win where Simms was the QB until he got hurt in the 14th game of the season. So, unless you are lucky enough to draft the next greatest value QB in the late round, your best bet to win (or lose) a Super Bowl is with a 1st round or very early 2nd round pick of a QB.

 

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