Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Zealots, non-ppr, IDP league. So...I got a REALLY good deal, right?
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2012 Offseason Dynasty Trades (1 Viewer)
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Great deal for team B
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
12 team ppr
qb, 2rb, 2wr, rb/wr, d, k
Trade 1
1.3 (Wilson)
3.7
for
1.6
Meachem
Trade 2
Marshall
Jared Cook
Schaub
for
1.6 (Griffin III)
2.3
Trade 3
Meachem
Starks
2013 1st
for
1.7
2.7
qb, 2rb, 2wr, rb/wr, d, k
Trade 1
1.3 (Wilson)
3.7
for
1.6
Meachem
Trade 2
Marshall
Jared Cook
Schaub
for
1.6 (Griffin III)
2.3
Trade 3
Meachem
Starks
2013 1st
for
1.7
2.7
garlicduck
Footballguy
12 Team PPR
Team A gave up:
Thomas, Daniel MIA RB
Team B gave up:
Givens, Chris STL WR
Team A gave up:
Thomas, Daniel MIA RB
Team B gave up:
Givens, Chris STL WR
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
Seriously? Team B got raped in that trade.
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
This made me laugh for some reason.
I think it's a pretty reasonable trade either way. Depending on roster needs/depth, I like the Wallace/Forte/Brown side, but I don't think it's a rape job at all.
Bronx Bomber
Footballguy
I like the Wallace/Forte/Brown side. Now way Calvin outscores all three of them.
Instinctive
Footballguy
It's not about that. It's about whether Calvin and two replacement level players outscore them. Or, for Team B, whether Calvin and the specific replacement players he'll use will outscore what he sent away, and for how long.
Bronx Bomber
Footballguy
Hmm. Thats probably trading 101. I guess I've been thinking about trading the wrong way, no wonder I've been having some difficulties. Thanks. I still like the Wallace side though if replacement level means they he needs a RB and WR to outscore Forte and Brown. Am I understanding this correctly?
I agree, but if I'm a team in need of major help at RB and don't have depth at WR I think that's pretty good value for Calvin. Guess it depends what you think of Wallace - I have him as a top 7ish dynasty WR, and I still think Forte is a good #1 if healthy.
Dawg Pound 69
Footballguy
What ? Gave away Williams for someone who probably won't even make the practice squad.
cstu
Footballguy
I view "replacement level" players as guys you can get off waivers or very cheaply through trades and still get nearly the same production. Brown and Forte aren't replacement level, I think he was referring to who the team would start instead.The reason to trade three good players for a stud is that for a strong team it opens up two rosters spots to pick up young players with upside. If the team getting Calvin is already loaded with players to start instead of Brown and Forte for the same production then it's a better team.
OTOH, the Wallace/Brown/Forte side makes sense if a team needs more talent to compete. It's great to see Calvin in your starting lineup but if you don't have the players to win then it's pointless. Honestly, these aren't the players I'd want for Calvin but I don't think it's a horrible trade under the right circumstances.
tom22406
Footballguy
Have yet to come up with anything that could explain this deal(or how terrible it really was).
Bronx Bomber
Footballguy
I was assuming it was a typo for Santonio Holmes. But the Dal WR threw me off. The guys not even in the depth chart.
Bad trade, but DeAngelo Williams isn't worth much to begin with, so I don't know that this could be construed as a "terrible" trade, as the guy giving up Williams didn't really part with anything special. I saw him go for a mid 3rd rounder recently (pick ended up being Nick Toon), so it's not like DeAngelo is pulling any sort of haul.I was assuming it was a typo for Santonio Holmes. But the Dal WR threw me off. The guys not even in the depth chart.
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
As someone who added Holmes in every league that has Waivers open, he's going to make the team and be high on the depth chart. The deal is not that terrible if Williams is expendable due to depth at RB. Holmes is basically the North Texas version of Lestar Jean, and his value is only going to increase. Given Danny Coales has a broken foot, the chance Holmes is the #3 WR is better than 50/50.http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/cowboys/post/_/id/4692861/lets-see-why-theres-buzz-about-andre-holmesI was assuming it was a typo for Santonio Holmes. But the Dal WR threw me off. The guys not even in the depth chart.
floods
Footballguy
Victor Cruz is the new Wes Welker.
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Gawain
Footballguy
Another consideration is this is a 20 team league. While we don't know starting requirements, I would hazard a guess that this league starts more guys than a 12 teamer. Thus, the worst starter and the average starter are going to produce fewer points than in a 12 team league. The premium guys see a higher VoRP and a greater VBD score in this league than in a 12 team league.
mcintyre1
Footballguy
As a fellow Zealot guy, I approve.
r0llin_game
Footballguy
12 Team PPR, QB, 2RB, 2 WR, TE, K, 2 Flex of RB/WR/TE
Team A gave:
Vernon Davis
3.05 (Robert Turbin)
Team B gave:
Jason Witten
Matt Flynn
3.12 (TBD)
Team A needed a backup QB badly and Weeden went off the board at 3.03, has Aaron Hernandez also at TE
Team B won the championship last year, has Marshawn Lynch too.
Team A gave:
Vernon Davis
3.05 (Robert Turbin)
Team B gave:
Jason Witten
Matt Flynn
3.12 (TBD)
Team A needed a backup QB badly and Weeden went off the board at 3.03, has Aaron Hernandez also at TE
Team B won the championship last year, has Marshawn Lynch too.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
How can any team ever need a backup QB badly in a 12 team 1 QB league?
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Like it for getting Newton.
r0llin_game
Footballguy
My backup options were Kyle Orton and Brian Hoyer? Witten is a little bit of a drop of to VD, but like I said, I have Hernandez still and Witten has a few solid years left.
Instinctive
Footballguy
I prefer Witten to Davis I think anyway.'r0llin_game said:
P-Dizzle
Footballguy
16 Team 0.5 PPR Dynasty
Saughton Seahawks gave up:
Cassel, Matt KCC QB
Baldwin, Doug SEA WR
Gaffney, Jabar NEP WR
Lewis, Marcedes JAC TE
Year 2013 Round 4 Draft Pick from Saughton Seahawks
Queensferry Dolphins gave up:
Wayne, Reggie IND WR
Pitta, Dennis BAL TE
Panthers, Carolina CAR Def
Saughton Seahawks gave up:
Cassel, Matt KCC QB
Baldwin, Doug SEA WR
Gaffney, Jabar NEP WR
Lewis, Marcedes JAC TE
Year 2013 Round 4 Draft Pick from Saughton Seahawks
Queensferry Dolphins gave up:
Wayne, Reggie IND WR
Pitta, Dennis BAL TE
Panthers, Carolina CAR Def
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thriftyrocker
Footballguy
Crazy deal
12 team ppr
qb, 2rb, 2wr, wr/te, te, d, k
Ryan Mathews
for
MJD
Charles
Mike Williams TB
2013 2nd
Team getting Mathews also has Foster and Murray.
12 team ppr
qb, 2rb, 2wr, wr/te, te, d, k
Ryan Mathews
for
MJD
Charles
Mike Williams TB
2013 2nd
Team getting Mathews also has Foster and Murray.
Bronx Bomber
Footballguy
Wow, MJD/Charles side made out like Bandits. How'd they pull that off?
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
Offered by the Mathews owner. He felt like Mathews would be far better than either RB and he could afford to lose them.
Bronx Bomber
Footballguy
Which side do you like? I seem to have a skewed view on trades, I'm trying to adjust that. But Charles and Matthews are neck to neck on most dynasty rankings, to get MJD, TB Williams and a 2nd on top seems like a hual to me, no?
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Just pulled off 2 deals in a 12 team dynasty PPR, start 2-4 RBs, 3-5 WRs format:
Trade 1: Traded AJ Green, F-Jax and 1.10 for Foster, D Nelson and 3.07. Hated to part with Green, but the chance to get Foster was too tempting. My other RBs were Forte, Sproles and the Det RBs (Best/Leshoure). Worried about Forte holding out, so felt I needed a stud RB
Trade 2: Sent Maclin for G.Little and 1.08, used to take Hillman. Hoping Little takes off in year 2 with a better QB and offense around him.
Trade 1: Traded AJ Green, F-Jax and 1.10 for Foster, D Nelson and 3.07. Hated to part with Green, but the chance to get Foster was too tempting. My other RBs were Forte, Sproles and the Det RBs (Best/Leshoure). Worried about Forte holding out, so felt I needed a stud RB
Trade 2: Sent Maclin for G.Little and 1.08, used to take Hillman. Hoping Little takes off in year 2 with a better QB and offense around him.
Bronx Bomber
Footballguy
So I was able to turn the 1.9 and 3rd into trading up for Martin. Curious if that makes this trade any better.
Donsmith753
Footballguy
Yes it does.
bengalbuck
Footballguy
Yes, definitely. I like Mathews a bit better than Charles or MJD, but better than both of those guys? That's pretty crazy.As for your previous post as far as how to view trades, here is my advice on a really simple way to look at trades just as kind of a starting point...
1. Every league has different scoring, familiarize yourself with your league's scoring. Go to the "player's stats' page on your league website. Pick a position, let's say RB. Sort by the PPG. Here's an example in my league:
http://football29.myfantasyleague.com/2012/top?L=48208&SEARCHTYPE=BASIC&COUNT=60&YEAR=2011&START_WEEK=1&END_WEEK=17&CATEGORY=overall&POSITION=RB&DISPLAY=points&TEAM=*&SORT=AVG
2. Find your base line value for each position. Look at the total # of starters at the position each week. So in this league, its a start 12 teamer, start 2 RBs, so that's 24. There's also flex which adds a little complication, injuries, etc. so lets say #32 or so is the worst starter. That's a guy like Cedric Benson last year who scored 10 PPG, that's my "base line". Anyone scoring less than that is pretty close to worthless. In my mind, I think of that as kind of the minimum value/replacement level starter type guy and I put his "worth" at about 1. If a guy scores 11 PPG, I put his worth at about 2. You can do the math....all the way up to the top guy Ray Rice who scored 22 PPG, who is worth about 13 in my system.
3. Start analyzing trades from this point of view. If you look at it this way vs. the way you were thinking about it, yeah Shonne Greene (11 PPG) and Steven Jackson (14 PPG) may combine to outscore Ray Rice 25 to 22 PPG, but that's a bad way to look at it. If you think of Shonn Greene as a guy worth 2 and SJax as a guy who was worth 5 (total of 7) vs. Rice's 13, you can see Rice was worth way more than those 2 combined last season. (In terms of dynasty, its even more lopsided than 13 to 7 when you take into account factors like SJax's age, but this is just a starting point/frame of reference.)
What you'll find is that the top guys like Ray Rice, Calvin Johnson, Aaron Rodgers are worth 10+ each year. So they are at least 10 times as valuable as guys like Shonn Greene or other low level starters.
Or in terms of the Mike Wallace (and others) trade for Calvin Johnson mentioned earlier, in my league Calvin was about a 13 last year and Wallace was about a 5. Do Forte and Brown make up the 8 point value difference? Maybe, depends on your roster and who else you have. Depends on how you project those guys to score in future years, etc.
Hope this helps a little bit.....
I much prefer Mathews over either RB, and I'm not joining the TBMW rebound train, but that is a haul.
If u want the player, price is irrelevant, go get him. I like the deal.
I like the value of the MJD/Charles side, but I would rather have Matthews over any of those players. If I had the depth to lose the RBs I'd do it to get Matthews -- I don't really think much of Mike Williams so it's basically MJD/Charles for Matthews IMO.
Mathews has been my #1 target this off season. I got him for cheaper than what he's going for now a few months ago. Rotoworld hype has definitely increased his price lately. I'm willing to over, overpay for Mathews though because I want him on my team and not someone else's.'Steed said:
I can't say what injury Mathews will get per se, but I know he can't stay healthy while splitting carries. How do you think he'll hold up with an even bigger workload?Charles wouldn't be the first guy to come back from an ACL. Jerry Rice and Wes Welker had excellent years after they recovered from ACL & MCL tears, and both were much older than Charles was at the time. Charles has a career ypc of 6.1, even if he doesn't come back, how far does that number fall? 5.1? 4.5? That's still quality.Eta: before you tell me they play a different position, Jamal Lewis had one of his finer seasons right after an acl tear, then ran for 2000 the next year.
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Not the first guy to come back, but players struggle in their first year back typically. WRs place different pressure on ACLs than RBs do. Everyone points to Welker, but the year after, he finished with 37 fewer catches and 500 fewer yards then he had before. An ACL typically robs you of your explosion. Since Rice is the best route runner of all time, he didn't explosive ability and so was still able to do good. Charles was one of most electrifying players in NFL and one of my favorite players, but I'm staying away in 2012ETA: in response to your ETA, Lewis tore his ACL in camp, missed all of 2001, and then rushed for 2000 yards in 2003. in 2002, his 1st year back, he rushed for 1327 yards. nice numbers, but he still struggled his first year back
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I kinda like Ingram to bounce back, but I'd still rather have Matthews than that package unless I was really hurting at QB and deep at RB.
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