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I am pulling for FSU to win out. Would love to see what they can do vs Bama
Win or lose for Duke this weekend, it's nice to see that the Cutcliffe Era has brought Wallace Wade Stadium back to life with students and alumni.big game this weekend in Durham. i think Miami is still quite overrated. good litmus test game for both teams.
what are the standards?Speaking of Wallace Wade stadium, will the ACC ever require Duke to actually bring its stadium up to BCS conference standards?
They did recently replace the troughs with real bathrooms. It would be nice if the visitors locker room wasn't 4 miles away though.what are the standards?Speaking of Wallace Wade stadium, will the ACC ever require Duke to actually bring its stadium up to BCS conference standards?
I hope State makes a game of it. In rivalry games anything can happen. That's what I'm telling myself.I'm looking forward to going to the ECU vs NC State game this weekend in Raleigh.![]()
How about Glennon playing pretty well for the Bucs. He became the starter not under the best of circumstances, but he is making the most of it. He even slides well.![]()
It's going to be a rebuilding project for Doeren.Our recruiting is in the 30's so thats a big plus considering TOB planted us in the 70's for a few years
yepIt's going to be a rebuilding project for Doeren.Our recruiting is in the 30's so thats a big plus considering TOB planted us in the 70's for a few years
No, he wasn't forced out. He shocked their AD two days ago when he told him in a meeting he was going to step down. I saw him interviewed, and he basically said the last two years they fell short of expectations, and he felt it was time for them to bring someone new in, and see if they can take them in a better direction. He's a great guy. He said he might coach again somewhere else eventually.Was Grobe forced out? Will he look to coach again or walk off into the sunset now? I thought he got as much out of WF over the years as one can. Almost impossible to recruit there.
Just checked Stubhub and here's the tally for the cheapest seats available for the Championship games:Hopefully the Dookies will give FSU a competitive game this weekend in the ACC Championship. I'll be rooting for the underdog.
What's with the wink? We all know you hate the ACC.Just checked Stubhub and here's the tally for the cheapest seats available for the Championship games:Hopefully the Dookies will give FSU a competitive game this weekend in the ACC Championship. I'll be rooting for the underdog.
SEC: $198
BIG 10:$130
(gap)
PAC 12: $55
(gap)
(more gap)
ACC: $11
...and that's with a Carolina school in it. On the bright side, however, is that last year's tickets went for a whopping $2 each. So there's nice growth this year. ; )
Yes, that's correct...omally said:What's with the wink? We all know you hate the ACC.Tango said:Just checked Stubhub and here's the tally for the cheapest seats available for the Championship games:omally said:Hopefully the Dookies will give FSU a competitive game this weekend in the ACC Championship. I'll be rooting for the underdog.
SEC: $198
BIG 10:$130
(gap)
PAC 12: $55
(gap)
(more gap)
ACC: $11
...and that's with a Carolina school in it. On the bright side, however, is that last year's tickets went for a whopping $2 each. So there's nice growth this year. ; )
What did you expect? TOB left a roster with very little talent and very little depth. It's going to take the next two recruiting classes to elevate the talent level to the point that the team will be competitive. That's not Doeren's fault, and fortunately he is showing signs of being a very effective recruiter.Doeren is way behind the 8 ball at this point. I hear that big Deb is telling donors that next year will be a sub 500 year but 2015 we should see improvement. She is also calling folks about donating towards teh 40 million renovation at Reynolds. I am not sure if this indicates more mens bball being played there but overall its a horrendous waste of money.
Our recruiting is in the 30's so thats a big plus considering TOB planted us in the 70's for a few years
Bowl records to judge conferences are stupid. ACC plays better competition in OOC games during the season because they are the ones willing to matchup against the SEC. Plus, they are well positioned moving forward. Louisville won it's bowl game and Maryland lost it's bowl game. Plus Notre Dame won their game too. Many want to claim the ACC is far and away the #5 BCS conference but it's not true. This year it's SEC, then Pac-12, then the other three and the ACC has a chance to win the BCS championship. Anyone using "shambles" to describe that but not the Big 12 (champion lost to UCF) or Big Ten (terrible this year) is kind of ignorant.http://espn.go.com/blog/acc/post/_/id/65448/acc-needs-big-wins-from-clemson-fsu
"The ACC....rep remains in shambles. "
Bowl records:
1. SEC 5-1
2. P12 6-3
3. B12 2-2
4. AAC 2-2
5. MWC 3-3
6. B1G 2-4
7. ACC 3-6 (Ws from Syracuse, UNC, Pittsburgh)
8. MAC 0-4
Better SOS OOC? Not translating to any power in the ACC Th RPI makes it clear.Bowl records to judge conferences are stupid.http://espn.go.com/blog/acc/post/_/id/65448/acc-needs-big-wins-from-clemson-fsu
"The ACC....rep remains in shambles. "
Bowl records:
1. SEC 5-1
2. P12 6-3
3. B12 2-2
4. AAC 2-2
5. MWC 3-3
6. B1G 2-4
7. ACC 3-6 (Ws from Syracuse, UNC, Pittsburgh)
8. MAC 0-4
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Louisville won it's bowl game
Louisville is an upgrade over Maryland. Maryland and Rutgers weakens the Big Ten in terms of football strength. The alliance with Notre Dame helps the ACC tremendously in terms of money and SOS. ACC team has a good shot to win a national title Monday night. I'd say they are much better off today than they were a year ago, for example.Better SOS OOC? Not translating to any power in the ACC Th RPI makes it clear.Bowl records to judge conferences are stupid.http://espn.go.com/blog/acc/post/_/id/65448/acc-needs-big-wins-from-clemson-fsu
"The ACC....rep remains in shambles. "
Bowl records:
1. SEC 5-1
2. P12 6-3
3. B12 2-2
4. AAC 2-2
5. MWC 3-3
6. B1G 2-4
7. ACC 3-6 (Ws from Syracuse, UNC, Pittsburgh)
8. MAC 0-4
<snip>
Louisville won it's bowl game
1. SEC
2. B12
3. B1G
4. B12
5. ACC
Here the ACC moves from 7 all the up to the lofty position of 5.
And the ACC is dead anyway if there is any need to count on Syracuse, Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, et al ...and especially if anyone points to the strength of the ACC by citing Louisville crushing Miami!
Well if your objective is to say the ACC is not awful...then you'll be able to find a way to do it somehow and at least convince yourself.Louisville is an upgrade over Maryland. Maryland and Rutgers weakens the Big Ten in terms of football strength. The alliance with Notre Dame helps the ACC tremendously in terms of money and SOS. ACC team has a good shot to win a national title Monday night. I'd say they are much better off today than they were a year ago, for example.
I used to be that way too. But rooting for my conference was another way for me to enjoy more football and basketball; so it really grew on me over time.My team is about to be #1 in the nation after Monday night. Pretty much all I care about.![]()
Conference honks are weird.
Guess which ACC team hasn't even cooperative in that respect.I used to be that way too. But rooting for my conference was another way for me to enjoy more football and basketball; so it really grew on me over time.My team is about to be #1 in the nation after Monday night. Pretty much all I care about.![]()
Conference honks are weird.
I still watch every Syracuse game, but my total college viewing is down 80%+ because I no longer have a conference rooting interest (other than hoping all ACC teams lose all the time...thankfully, the ACC has been fairly cooperative in that respect)
True. And if you want to be a miserable human looking for every negative aspect because you're frustrated you're in this conference instead of being lucky you're not UConn then that's easy to do too.Well if your objective is to say the ACC is not awful...then you'll be able to find a way to do it somehow and at least convince yourself.Louisville is an upgrade over Maryland. Maryland and Rutgers weakens the Big Ten in terms of football strength. The alliance with Notre Dame helps the ACC tremendously in terms of money and SOS. ACC team has a good shot to win a national title Monday night. I'd say they are much better off today than they were a year ago, for example.
Bottom line is that the ACC is:
5th in basketball
5th in football
...but, on the bright side, the ACC is clearly:
#1 in unjustified media attention
#1 in alienating its own members
The ACC might be in great shape...except that it's not the ACC anymore.There is no doubt the ACC is in better shape. Two BCS teams, one of which is favored to win the title. 2 Heisman finalists, one who won. Clemson has beat LSU and Georgia in the past year. Trading in a hot Lousiville program for a half-dead Maryland squad. Adding the Notre Dame package. I don't know how anyone can argue otherwise.
I thought adding Cuse and Pitt was just more flotsam for the football side but they make basketball better.
Who is pointing to Louisville to lead the conference? What are you talking about?The ACC might be in great shape...except that it's not the ACC anymore.There is no doubt the ACC is in better shape. Two BCS teams, one of which is favored to win the title. 2 Heisman finalists, one who won. Clemson has beat LSU and Georgia in the past year. Trading in a hot Lousiville program for a half-dead Maryland squad. Adding the Notre Dame package. I don't know how anyone can argue otherwise.
I thought adding Cuse and Pitt was just more flotsam for the football side but they make basketball better.
Maryland *is* the ACC as much as any non-NC-school is. I'd rather lose with integrity than win by fraud. What I mean by that is that I think the B1G is *better off* than the ACC due precisely to the fact that Maryland will be mired in the middle/bottom-half of that conference. The B1G is not counting on Maryland to be a headliner of what its conference is...much the way they integrated Nebraska.
On the other hand, the ACC pointing to the greatness of its conference because of carpet-baggers like Syracuse lacks credibility for the conference...and, even worse, pointing to the fact that Louisville blew away Miami is, well, ....ironic/comical/you-pick-the-word....
"Lead the conference"? Who said that? I said "headliner" and "pointing to". The Louisville bowl performance piece I referred to was in post #126 above.Who is pointing to Louisville to lead the conference? What are you talking about?The ACC might be in great shape...except that it's not the ACC anymore.There is no doubt the ACC is in better shape. Two BCS teams, one of which is favored to win the title. 2 Heisman finalists, one who won. Clemson has beat LSU and Georgia in the past year. Trading in a hot Lousiville program for a half-dead Maryland squad. Adding the Notre Dame package. I don't know how anyone can argue otherwise.
I thought adding Cuse and Pitt was just more flotsam for the football side but they make basketball better.
Maryland *is* the ACC as much as any non-NC-school is. I'd rather lose with integrity than win by fraud. What I mean by that is that I think the B1G is *better off* than the ACC due precisely to the fact that Maryland will be mired in the middle/bottom-half of that conference. The B1G is not counting on Maryland to be a headliner of what its conference is...much the way they integrated Nebraska.
On the other hand, the ACC pointing to the greatness of its conference because of carpet-baggers like Syracuse lacks credibility for the conference...and, even worse, pointing to the fact that Louisville blew away Miami is, well, ....ironic/comical/you-pick-the-word....
Football wise Louisville is a better program than Maryland and betters the depth of the conference. That's a positive.
There are 5 schools that would say the ACC is not the ACC anymore and those are UVA and the four NC schools because they are all basketball first schools. The B1G is Michigan, Ohio St, Wisconsin, Penn St and import Nebraska in terms of national powers. The ACC is FSU, Clemson, Miami, and Va Tech so looks like the ACC will depend on an import as much as the B1G depends on Nebraska. As a GT fan I'm more happy to be playing Miami, Louisville, or Va Tech in football as I am NC State, Maryland, or Wake Forest for example. I just wish we'd stop playing two free wins every year and I hope college football moves more towards a better scheduling model."Lead the conference"? Who said that? I said "headliner" and "pointing to". The Louisville bowl performance piece I referred to was in post #126 above.Who is pointing to Louisville to lead the conference? What are you talking about?The ACC might be in great shape...except that it's not the ACC anymore.There is no doubt the ACC is in better shape. Two BCS teams, one of which is favored to win the title. 2 Heisman finalists, one who won. Clemson has beat LSU and Georgia in the past year. Trading in a hot Lousiville program for a half-dead Maryland squad. Adding the Notre Dame package. I don't know how anyone can argue otherwise.
I thought adding Cuse and Pitt was just more flotsam for the football side but they make basketball better.
Maryland *is* the ACC as much as any non-NC-school is. I'd rather lose with integrity than win by fraud. What I mean by that is that I think the B1G is *better off* than the ACC due precisely to the fact that Maryland will be mired in the middle/bottom-half of that conference. The B1G is not counting on Maryland to be a headliner of what its conference is...much the way they integrated Nebraska.
On the other hand, the ACC pointing to the greatness of its conference because of carpet-baggers like Syracuse lacks credibility for the conference...and, even worse, pointing to the fact that Louisville blew away Miami is, well, ....ironic/comical/you-pick-the-word....
Football wise Louisville is a better program than Maryland and betters the depth of the conference. That's a positive.
...though, on a national level, you can definitely make the case that Syracuse is leading the conference in basketball if you wanted to.
The point is that the ACC is counting on its imports for a significant portion of its power. The B1G powers shrug their shoulders at their imports. Therefore is the ACC even the ACC anymore if it is counting on its imports to make up for the performance of many of its core schools? I think most would say the ACC is not the ACC anymore and that it is (1) unfortunate for all involved IMHO (Im sure you'd agree with that), and (2) not a reason to instill more pride for the ACC in its fans hearts.
Preaching to the choir. I'd love to boot all these damn Yankee schools, but here we are. Nobody wanted this shotgun wedding, but have a beer and some bacon-wrapped scallops.The ACC might be in great shape...except that it's not the ACC anymore.There is no doubt the ACC is in better shape. Two BCS teams, one of which is favored to win the title. 2 Heisman finalists, one who won. Clemson has beat LSU and Georgia in the past year. Trading in a hot Lousiville program for a half-dead Maryland squad. Adding the Notre Dame package. I don't know how anyone can argue otherwise.
I thought adding Cuse and Pitt was just more flotsam for the football side but they make basketball better.
Maryland *is* the ACC as much as any non-NC-school is. I'd rather lose with integrity than win by fraud. What I mean by that is that I think the B1G is *better off* than the ACC due precisely to the fact that Maryland will be mired in the middle/bottom-half of that conference. The B1G is not counting on Maryland to be a headliner of what its conference is...much the way they integrated Nebraska.
On the other hand, the ACC pointing to the greatness of its conference because of carpet-baggers like Syracuse lacks credibility for the conference...and, even worse, pointing to the fact that Louisville blew away Miami is, well, ....ironic/comical/you-pick-the-word....
According to the ESPN article, the ACC rep avoided disaster. That's certainly true.http://espn.go.com/blog/acc/post/_/id/65448/acc-needs-big-wins-from-clemson-fsu
"The ACC....rep remains in shambles. "
Bowl records:
1. SEC 5-1
2. P12 6-3
3. B12 2-2
4. AAC 2-2
5. MWC 3-3
6. B1G 2-4
7. ACC 3-6 (Ws from Syracuse, UNC, Pittsburgh)
8. MAC 0-4