2013 Hot Stove & Capella's Fabulous Cornhole Thread (1 Viewer)

[Long Ball Larry]

I really don't understand what the Phillies are doing. They tendered everybody. They're trying their best to keep a bad, aging team together.

They're not even re-organizing the deck chairs.

This should help:

Phillies To Sign Wil Nieves

By Zach Links [December 3, 2013 at 6:37pm CST]

The Phillies are set to sign catcher Wil Nieves, according to Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com (on Twitter).

Nieves, 36, hit .297/.320/.369 in 206 plate appearances for the Diamondbacks last season. Arizona retained the veteran with a one-year, $800K deal right around this time last year. For his career, Nieves owns a .242/.283/.314 across ten big league seasons.

So it would seem that the are Phillies are content just to punt the next 2-3 years until everyone still here from 2008 (and even newly-signed) either retires or dies, then pounce on the 2016 FA market (or wait for all that great, young talent in the farm system to replenish their depth). Good work, Rube. What an abomination. Makes the Wheeze Kids look like the Whiz Kids.

 

[East Coast Bias]

Jeff Passan ‏@JeffPassan

4m
If Yankees exercise option, Ellsbury deal would be worth $169M, the ninth-biggest contract in baseball history: http://yhoo.it/1ca6E9T

 

[Raider Nation]

So who steps into the lineup in Boston?

 

[Kraft...]

So who steps into the lineup in Boston?

Choo supposedly in play

 

[shadyridr]

Fowler is pretty terrible too especially outside of coors

You'd think he could fetch better than two sub-replacement players, even in his walk year.

Of course

 

[shadyridr]

I like Ellsbury cuz he adds some athleticism to the Yankees but thats alot of money for someone who seems to get hurt alot. Guess Cano is off the board.

 

[East Coast Bias]

I really don't understand what the Phillies are doing. They tendered everybody. They're trying their best to keep a bad, aging team together.

They're not even re-organizing the deck chairs.

This should help:

Phillies To Sign Wil Nieves

By Zach Links [December 3, 2013 at 6:37pm CST]

The Phillies are set to sign catcher Wil Nieves, according to Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com (on Twitter).

Nieves, 36, hit .297/.320/.369 in 206 plate appearances for the Diamondbacks last season. Arizona retained the veteran with a one-year, $800K deal right around this time last year. For his career, Nieves owns a .242/.283/.314 across ten big league seasons.

So it would seem that the are Phillies are content just to punt the next 2-3 years until everyone still here from 2008 (and even newly-signed) either retires or dies, then pounce on the 2016 FA market (or wait for all that great, young talent in the farm system to replenish their depth). Good work, Rube. What an abomination. Makes the Wheeze Kids look like the Whiz Kids.

Phillies make another move.

Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal

41s
#Phillies announce acquisition of RHP Brad Lincoln from #Blue Jays for C Eri Kratz and LHP Rob Rasmussen.

 

[Raider Nation]

I like Ellsbury cuz he adds some athleticism to the Yankees but thats alot of money for someone who seems to get hurt alot. Guess Cano is off the board.

They've probably got more money.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

I thought the Yankees weren't spending crazy money anymore?

Where the hell does Cano go now? Isn't washed up, so Phillies are out. Mets are bankrupt, they are out. Kansas City just signed Carlos Beltran, they're out. Angels burned by Josh Pujols, they are out. I guess it's the Mariners!

 

[shadyridr]

Hating the ellsbury deal, ugh

 

[shadyridr]

I like Ellsbury cuz he adds some athleticism to the Yankees but thats alot of money for someone who seems to get hurt alot. Guess Cano is off the board.

They've probably got more money.

i didnt wanna break the bank for cano but if signing ellsbury COSTS them cano ill be pretty livid. Now i want them to sign cano at all costs. Does that make any sense.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Not Kratzy!

Time for a new career minor-league catcher to have 1 good week at plate and become everyone's favorite player.

 

[shadyridr]

I thought the Yankees weren't spending crazy money anymore?

everything changed once the sox won the WS

 

[shadyridr]

I wouldve rather signed beltran at less money and years. Hes simply better than ellsbury and somehow less injury prone.

 

[shadyridr]

Heck id even rather have grandy. He kinda sucks now but i at least like him

 

[Billy Bats]

I really don't understand what the Phillies are doing. They tendered everybody. They're trying their best to keep a bad, aging team together.

They're not even re-organizing the deck chairs.

This should helphillies To Sign Wil Nieves

By Zach Links [December 3, 2013 at 6:37pm CST]

The Phillies are set to sign catcher Wil Nieves, according to Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com (on Twitter).

Nieves, 36, hit .297/.320/.369 in 206 plate appearances for the Diamondbacks last season. Arizona retained the veteran with a one-year, $800K deal right around this time last year. For his career, Nieves owns a .242/.283/.314 across ten big league seasons.

So it would seem that the are Phillies are content just to punt the next 2-3 years until everyone still here from 2008 (and even newly-signed) either retires or dies, then pounce on the 2016 FA market (or wait for all that great, young talent in the farm system to replenish their depth). Good work, Rube. What an abomination. Makes the Wheeze Kids look like the Whiz Kids.

Ibanez is a free agent and only 42!

 

[Long Ball Larry]

I really don't understand what the Phillies are doing. They tendered everybody. They're trying their best to keep a bad, aging team together.

They're not even re-organizing the deck chairs.

This should helphillies To Sign Wil Nieves

By Zach Links [December 3, 2013 at 6:37pm CST]

The Phillies are set to sign catcher Wil Nieves, according to Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com (on Twitter).

Nieves, 36, hit .297/.320/.369 in 206 plate appearances for the Diamondbacks last season. Arizona retained the veteran with a one-year, $800K deal right around this time last year. For his career, Nieves owns a .242/.283/.314 across ten big league seasons.

So it would seem that the are Phillies are content just to punt the next 2-3 years until everyone still here from 2008 (and even newly-signed) either retires or dies, then pounce on the 2016 FA market (or wait for all that great, young talent in the farm system to replenish their depth). Good work, Rube. What an abomination. Makes the Wheeze Kids look like the Whiz Kids.

Ibanez is a free agent and only 42!

I heard they were kicking the tires on Andre Dawson.

 

[Raider Nation]

TRADER!!!

And those are the intelligent Red Sox fans.

 

[The Flying Elvis]

TRADER!!!

And those are the intelligent Red Sox fans.

I think most if not all "intelligent" Red Sox fans hold little animosity towards Ellsbury. It is a huge deal and certainly more than the Red Sox were willing to pay and the writing has been on the wall for the past few years since he became a Boras client. Good for him for cashing in. Hopefully the Red Sox refrain from making some sort of countermove here.

 

[ffldrew]

Fowler is pretty terrible too especially outside of coors

You'd think he could fetch better than two sub-replacement players, even in his walk year.

The Astros control two years of Fowler. His contract number goes up to nearly $8M this year but he should provide enough production to justify that.

I think there's a natural tendency with home grown prospects like Fowler to focus on what a player doesn't (or won't) do rather than what they do. He hasn't developed the way Rockies fans would have hoped but he's a decent talent who could benefit from a change of scenery.

Problem with Fowler is he can't stay healthy - always a little nagging thing keeps him out of lineup for chunks - he's useless.

Typical Rockies "prospect" - where they hype the crap out of a player here in Denver and everyone here thinks he is of value - but the reality is a completely different story when you look at the output and production. Rockies TV production is such a butt kissing department it really is a detriment to the fans for not holding Rockies management to the fire on player evaluation and development. So the casual Rockies fan is duped when they get nothing in return.

 

[shadyridr]

Fowler is pretty terrible too especially outside of coors

You'd think he could fetch better than two sub-replacement players, even in his walk year.

The Astros control two years of Fowler. His contract number goes up to nearly $8M this year but he should provide enough production to justify that.

I think there's a natural tendency with home grown prospects like Fowler to focus on what a player doesn't (or won't) do rather than what they do. He hasn't developed the way Rockies fans would have hoped but he's a decent talent who could benefit from a change of scenery.

Problem with Fowler is he can't stay healthy - always a little nagging thing keeps him out of lineup for chunks - he's useless.

Typical Rockies "prospect" - where they hype the crap out of a player here in Denver and everyone here thinks he is of value - but the reality is a completely different story when you look at the output and production. Rockies TV production is such a butt kissing department it really is a detriment to the fans for not holding Rockies management to the fire on player evaluation and development. So the casual Rockies fan is duped when they get nothing in return.

i call him dexter flower

 

[the moops]

Ellsbury will like that right field porch. He will hit 30+ HRs next year.

I imagine the Sox roll the dice with Bradley Jr in center and see what happens

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Morneau to Stones 2/13

 

[Eephus]

Fowler is pretty terrible too especially outside of coors

You'd think he could fetch better than two sub-replacement players, even in his walk year.

The Astros control two years of Fowler. His contract number goes up to nearly $8M this year but he should provide enough production to justify that.

I think there's a natural tendency with home grown prospects like Fowler to focus on what a player doesn't (or won't) do rather than what they do. He hasn't developed the way Rockies fans would have hoped but he's a decent talent who could benefit from a change of scenery.

Problem with Fowler is he can't stay healthy - always a little nagging thing keeps him out of lineup for chunks - he's useless.

Typical Rockies "prospect" - where they hype the crap out of a player here in Denver and everyone here thinks he is of value - but the reality is a completely different story when you look at the output and production. Rockies TV production is such a butt kissing department it really is a detriment to the fans for not holding Rockies management to the fire on player evaluation and development. So the casual Rockies fan is duped when they get nothing in return.

i call him dexter flower

Average games per season 2009-2013

Fowler 131

Ellsbury 130

and that's excluding Ellsbury's 18 game season in 2010 (with a OPS+ of 30)

 

[shadyridr]

Fowler is pretty terrible too especially outside of coors

You'd think he could fetch better than two sub-replacement players, even in his walk year.

The Astros control two years of Fowler. His contract number goes up to nearly $8M this year but he should provide enough production to justify that.

I think there's a natural tendency with home grown prospects like Fowler to focus on what a player doesn't (or won't) do rather than what they do. He hasn't developed the way Rockies fans would have hoped but he's a decent talent who could benefit from a change of scenery.

Problem with Fowler is he can't stay healthy - always a little nagging thing keeps him out of lineup for chunks - he's useless.

Typical Rockies "prospect" - where they hype the crap out of a player here in Denver and everyone here thinks he is of value - but the reality is a completely different story when you look at the output and production. Rockies TV production is such a butt kissing department it really is a detriment to the fans for not holding Rockies management to the fire on player evaluation and development. So the casual Rockies fan is duped when they get nothing in return.

i call him dexter flower

Average games per season 2009-2013

Fowler 131

Ellsbury 130

and that's excluding Ellsbury's 18 game season in 2010 (with a OPS+ of 30)

did i say somewhere ellsbury was the picture of health?

 

[fruity pebbles]

color me surprised Ellsbury got that kind of money.

 

[Eephus]

Morneau to Stones 2/13

I guess I compared Fowler's durability to the wrong guy

 

[ffldrew]

Fowler is pretty terrible too especially outside of coors

You'd think he could fetch better than two sub-replacement players, even in his walk year.

The Astros control two years of Fowler. His contract number goes up to nearly $8M this year but he should provide enough production to justify that.

I think there's a natural tendency with home grown prospects like Fowler to focus on what a player doesn't (or won't) do rather than what they do. He hasn't developed the way Rockies fans would have hoped but he's a decent talent who could benefit from a change of scenery.

Problem with Fowler is he can't stay healthy - always a little nagging thing keeps him out of lineup for chunks - he's useless.

Typical Rockies "prospect" - where they hype the crap out of a player here in Denver and everyone here thinks he is of value - but the reality is a completely different story when you look at the output and production. Rockies TV production is such a butt kissing department it really is a detriment to the fans for not holding Rockies management to the fire on player evaluation and development. So the casual Rockies fan is duped when they get nothing in return.

i call him dexter flower

Average games per season 2009-2013

Fowler 131

Ellsbury 130

and that's excluding Ellsbury's 18 game season in 2010 (with a OPS+ of 30)

In most years Fowler started around 110 games - he couldn't be counted on

Surprised by the Ellsbury number - but I don't follow AL that much. Just an eyeball test though and to me Ellsbury plays with a ton more heart and grit than Fowler.

 

[[icon]]

TRADER!!!

And those are the intelligent Red Sox fans.

I think most if not all "intelligent" Red Sox fans hold little animosity towards Ellsbury. It is a huge deal and certainly more than the Red Sox were willing to pay and the writing has been on the wall for the past few years since he became a Boras client. Good for him for cashing in. Hopefully the Red Sox refrain from making some sort of countermove here.

This.

Glad the sox didn't get locked to that boat anchor of a contract. Love watching taco play and those who said he plays with heart when healthy are 100pct correct... But that's crazy money. Hate to not be rooting for him but as a Boras guy I figured this would happen.

Regarding the link: #THISJUSTIN : morons have access to twitter. Film at eleven.

 

[ffldrew]

Morneau to Stones 2/13

Another Rockies failure - 17 years to groom a replacement in the minors and the cupboard is bare - and at first base of all positions. So they go out and find a guy who's skills are declining as fast as Helton's did but 10 years younger. Front office is such a joke here in Denver and yet they draw 2.5M+ million fans a year to see these losers.

 

[Eephus]

Morneau to Stones 2/13

Another Rockies failure - 17 years to groom a replacement in the minors and the cupboard is bare - and at first base of all positions. So they go out and find a guy who's skills are declining as fast as Helton's did but 10 years younger. Front office is such a joke here in Denver and yet they draw 2.5M+ million fans a year to see these losers.

I don't understand why they just didn't move Cuddyer to 1B.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

TRADER!!!

And those are the intelligent Red Sox fans.

I think most if not all "intelligent" Red Sox fans hold little animosity towards Ellsbury. It is a huge deal and certainly more than the Red Sox were willing to pay and the writing has been on the wall for the past few years since he became a Boras client. Good for him for cashing in. Hopefully the Red Sox refrain from making some sort of countermove here.

This.

Glad the sox didn't get locked to that boat anchor of a contract. Love watching taco play and those who said he plays with heart when healthy are 100pct correct... But that's crazy money. Hate to not be rooting for him but as a Boras guy I figured this would happen.

Regarding the link: #THISJUSTIN : morons have access to twitter. Film at eleven.

To be fair, it's not as bad as calling Joel Ward the n-word. You can't let several thousand bad apples spoil the bunch.

 

[ffldrew]

Morneau to Stones 2/13

Another Rockies failure - 17 years to groom a replacement in the minors and the cupboard is bare - and at first base of all positions. So they go out and find a guy who's skills are declining as fast as Helton's did but 10 years younger. Front office is such a joke here in Denver and yet they draw 2.5M+ million fans a year to see these losers.

I don't understand why they just didn't move Cuddyer to 1B.

Exactly!

Cuddyer Former Twin rebounds in Denver - hey here's Justin Morneau - we can do this again! GENIUS!!! and since he and Cuddyer are butt buddies they'll play even more inspired!!!!!

Don't forget the Letroy Hawkins move!

 

[Eephus]

Morneau to Stones 2/13

Another Rockies failure - 17 years to groom a replacement in the minors and the cupboard is bare - and at first base of all positions. So they go out and find a guy who's skills are declining as fast as Helton's did but 10 years younger. Front office is such a joke here in Denver and yet they draw 2.5M+ million fans a year to see these losers.

I don't understand why they just didn't move Cuddyer to 1B.

Exactly!

Cuddyer Former Twin rebounds in Denver - hey here's Justin Morneau - we can do this again! GENIUS!!! and since he and Cuddyer are butt buddies they'll play even more inspired!!!!!

Don't forget the Letroy Hawkins move!

Jason Bartlett is rested and ready

 

[the moops]

Just an eyeball test though and to me Ellsbury plays with a ton more heart and grit than Fowler.

Millions upon millions of heart and grit apparently

 

[ffldrew]

Morneau to Stones 2/13

Another Rockies failure - 17 years to groom a replacement in the minors and the cupboard is bare - and at first base of all positions. So they go out and find a guy who's skills are declining as fast as Helton's did but 10 years younger. Front office is such a joke here in Denver and yet they draw 2.5M+ million fans a year to see these losers.

I don't understand why they just didn't move Cuddyer to 1B.

Exactly!

Cuddyer Former Twin rebounds in Denver - hey here's Justin Morneau - we can do this again! GENIUS!!! and since he and Cuddyer are butt buddies they'll play even more inspired!!!!!

Don't forget the Letroy Hawkins move!

Jason Bartlett is rested and ready

Had to be a ton of juice running in the Twins locker room in 2006 - Morneau, Bartlett, Cuddyer - hell Nick Punto hit .290

 

[shadyridr]

Mccann, ellsbury, johnson... The yankees do realize righty bats exist, right?

 

[The Ref]

TRADER!!!

And those are the intelligent Red Sox fans.

I think most if not all "intelligent" Red Sox fans hold little animosity towards Ellsbury. It is a huge deal and certainly more than the Red Sox were willing to pay and the writing has been on the wall for the past few years since he became a Boras client. Good for him for cashing in. Hopefully the Red Sox refrain from making some sort of countermove here.

This.

Glad the sox didn't get locked to that boat anchor of a contract. Love watching taco play and those who said he plays with heart when healthy are 100pct correct... But that's crazy money. Hate to not be rooting for him but as a Boras guy I figured this would happen.

Regarding the link: #THISJUSTIN : morons have access to twitter. Film at eleven.

I'm happy for Jacoby but that is in fact crazy money. The Yankees are a better team this AM then they were yesterday, but as I sox fan I'm fine with them passing on a potential albatross contract. I'd rather them up the $$ per year to Beltran and only be on the hook for 3 years.

 

[guru_007]

I wouldve rather signed beltran at less money and years. Hes simply better than ellsbury and somehow less injury prone.

Not sure how in the world you can justify Beltran better than Ellsbury - and if you are concerned about injuries, since 2008, Beltran has played 583 games with 2,429 plate appearances. Over that same span Ellsbury has 537 games with 2,468 plate appearances.

Of course Beltran was less money, he'll be 37 before the season starts. Ellsbury is 7 years younger.

Over the past three seasons, Ellsbury as posted WAR's of 8.1 and 5.8 (2011 was basically a wasted year for him).

Beltrans last two seasons (which he has been healthy) he's posted WAR's of 3.8 and 2.4

If you compare apples to apples, a healthy Ellsbury at his best right now at 30 years old is much, much better than a healthy 37 year old Carlos Beltran.

I'm not saying if I were a Yankee fan I would be thrilled with the kind of money tied up with Ellsbury though. For a leadoff man he is not the greatest at getting on base (granted once he is on base he is a terror on the basepaths). The bigger issue is you're giving a 7 year contract to a guy that does rely on his legs quite a bit, so the back end of the contract has a good chance of looking not so good.

 

[igbomb]

I wouldve rather signed beltran at less money and years. Hes simply better than ellsbury and somehow less injury prone.

Not sure how in the world you can justify Beltran better than Ellsbury - and if you are concerned about injuries, since 2008, Beltran has played 583 games with 2,429 plate appearances. Over that same span Ellsbury has 537 games with 2,468 plate appearances.

Of course Beltran was less money, he'll be 37 before the season starts. Ellsbury is 7 years younger.

Over the past three seasons, Ellsbury as posted WAR's of 8.1 and 5.8 (2011 was basically a wasted year for him).

Beltrans last two seasons (which he has been healthy) he's posted WAR's of 3.8 and 2.4

If you compare apples to apples, a healthy Ellsbury at his best right now at 30 years old is much, much better than a healthy 37 year old Carlos Beltran.

I'm not saying if I were a Yankee fan I would be thrilled with the kind of money tied up with Ellsbury though. For a leadoff man he is not the greatest at getting on base (granted once he is on base he is a terror on the basepaths). The bigger issue is you're giving a 7 year contract to a guy that does rely on his legs quite a bit, so the back end of the contract has a good chance of looking not so good.

There has been some analysis recently by Dave Cameron on fangraphs that speed and defense players actually age better than average. Basically, the notion that speed and defense go first so these types of guys don't age well is a bit of a myth.

Fangraphs article

 

[guru_007]

One other thing to consider regarding the big money Ellsbury received, was there is certainly a premium that the Yankees were willing to pay in that this players makes them better AND makes the Red Sox worse.

Johnny Damon was able to parlay a good run with the Red Sox, and at the age of 31 sign a sizable contract with the Yankees. He gave them 4 very serviceable years, but 13 mil a year or so is a lot better than 22 mil per year over 7 years.

 

[guru_007]

There has been some analysis recently by Dave Cameron on fangraphs that speed and defense players actually age better than average. Basically, the notion that speed and defense go first so these types of guys don't age well is a bit of a myth.

Fangraphs article

A lot of those guys mentioned there were posting near 400 obp's in their late 30's though.Ellsbury is not a very good obp guy.

The Yankees soured quickly on Granderson due to his inability to get on base at a consistent basis. I'm not so sure the same thing may happen with Ellsbury when you also factor in the huge contact/pressure with it. He may hit 30+ hr's and still 40+ bases for the next 2-3 years, but let's revisit this in 2018 or so and see how this one works out.

Don't get me wrong, I think Ellsbury is a fantastic player. But, I'm of the opinion this will help the Yankees the next few years and hamper them more than that the back end.

 

[shadyridr]

I wouldve rather signed beltran at less money and years. Hes simply better than ellsbury and somehow less injury prone.

Not sure how in the world you can justify Beltran better than Ellsbury - and if you are concerned about injuries, since 2008, Beltran has played 583 games with 2,429 plate appearances. Over that same span Ellsbury has 537 games with 2,468 plate appearances.

Of course Beltran was less money, he'll be 37 before the season starts. Ellsbury is 7 years younger.

Over the past three seasons, Ellsbury as posted WAR's of 8.1 and 5.8 (2011 was basically a wasted year for him).

Beltrans last two seasons (which he has been healthy) he's posted WAR's of 3.8 and 2.4

If you compare apples to apples, a healthy Ellsbury at his best right now at 30 years old is much, much better than a healthy 37 year old Carlos Beltran.

I'm not saying if I were a Yankee fan I would be thrilled with the kind of money tied up with Ellsbury though. For a leadoff man he is not the greatest at getting on base (granted once he is on base he is a terror on the basepaths). The bigger issue is you're giving a 7 year contract to a guy that does rely on his legs quite a bit, so the back end of the contract has a good chance of looking not so good.

Yeah I guess when you take into account defense and base running Ellsbury surpasses Beltran. I guess I just meant Beltran is a better hitter and someone I trust in the playoffs. Of course the contract comes into play and Beltran can also play some DH ro rest his legs.

 

[shadyridr]

There has been some analysis recently by Dave Cameron on fangraphs that speed and defense players actually age better than average. Basically, the notion that speed and defense go first so these types of guys don't age well is a bit of a myth.

Fangraphs article

A lot of those guys mentioned there were posting near 400 obp's in their late 30's though.Ellsbury is not a very good obp guy.

The Yankees soured quickly on Granderson due to his inability to get on base at a consistent basis. I'm not so sure the same thing may happen with Ellsbury when you also factor in the huge contact/pressure with it. He may hit 30+ hr's and still 40+ bases for the next 2-3 years, but let's revisit this in 2018 or so and see how this one works out.

Don't get me wrong, I think Ellsbury is a fantastic player. But, I'm of the opinion this will help the Yankees the next few years and hamper them more than that the back end.

I guess the Yankees are not as concerned about the back end of the deal as all their big money contracts will be off the books by then. No more Jete, ARod, Tex, or CC after 4 years.

 

[TobiasFunke]

There has been some analysis recently by Dave Cameron on fangraphs that speed and defense players actually age better than average. Basically, the notion that speed and defense go first so these types of guys don't age well is a bit of a myth.

Fangraphs article

A lot of those guys mentioned there were posting near 400 obp's in their late 30's though.Ellsbury is not a very good obp guy.

The Yankees soured quickly on Granderson due to his inability to get on base at a consistent basis. I'm not so sure the same thing may happen with Ellsbury when you also factor in the huge contact/pressure with it. He may hit 30+ hr's and still 40+ bases for the next 2-3 years, but let's revisit this in 2018 or so and see how this one works out.

Don't get me wrong, I think Ellsbury is a fantastic player. But, I'm of the opinion this will help the Yankees the next few years and hamper them more than that the back end.

He's actually pretty good when healthy. .355 last year, .376 in 2011, .350 for his career. That's about thirty points above league average, which has been slowly declining over the last several years. He's not Votto, but it ain't bad.

 

[fruity pebbles]

One other thing to consider regarding the big money Ellsbury received, was there is certainly a premium that the Yankees were willing to pay in that this players makes them better AND makes the Red Sox worse.

Johnny Damon was able to parlay a good run with the Red Sox, and at the age of 31 sign a sizable contract with the Yankees. He gave them 4 very serviceable years, but 13 mil a year or so is a lot better than 22 mil per year over 7 years.

There was pretty much zero chance Ellsbury signed with the Sox though. That ship sailed long ago.

 

[shadyridr]

So if Cano stayed with the Yankees hed have a legit shot of being a HOF one day (high profile team, playoff contendor every year, bandbox home stadium with a short porch in RF). If he goes to Seattle (low profile team, lower playoff odds, pitchers ballpark) he pretty much ruins any chance of getting into the Hall. I know money is important but isnt legacy also a factor?

 

[guru_007]

So if Cano stayed with the Yankees hed have a legit shot of being a HOF one day (high profile team, playoff contendor every year, bandbox home stadium with a short porch in RF). If he goes to Seattle (low profile team, lower playoff odds, pitchers ballpark) he pretty much ruins any chance of getting into the Hall. I know money is important but isnt legacy also a factor?

Ichiro won an MVP and will be getting into the HOF in Seattle Ken Griffey Jr too

Felix Hernandez won a Cy Young out there too.

 

[TobiasFunke]

So if Cano stayed with the Yankees hed have a legit shot of being a HOF one day (high profile team, playoff contendor every year, bandbox home stadium with a short porch in RF). If he goes to Seattle (low profile team, lower playoff odds, pitchers ballpark) he pretty much ruins any chance of getting into the Hall. I know money is important but isnt legacy also a factor?

Ichiro won an MVP and will be getting into the HOF in Seattle Ken Griffey Jr too

Felix Hernandez won a Cy Young out there too.

It's not the 1960s any more. Most baseball fans and members of the media know exactly what every single all-star caliber player in the league is doing all the time. And even if they don't have Extra Innings and check Fangraphs regularly or play fantasy baseball, interleague play forces every fan and beat writer in the country to learn about the player at least once every three years.

I think Cano's well on his way to the Hall. He'd have to fall apart completely or commit a felony to miss it.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

So if Cano stayed with the Yankees hed have a legit shot of being a HOF one day (high profile team, playoff contendor every year, bandbox home stadium with a short porch in RF). If he goes to Seattle (low profile team, lower playoff odds, pitchers ballpark) he pretty much ruins any chance of getting into the Hall. I know money is important but isnt legacy also a factor?

Ichiro won an MVP and will be getting into the HOF in Seattle Ken Griffey Jr too

Felix Hernandez won a Cy Young out there too.

It's not the 1960s any more. Most baseball fans and members of the media know exactly what every single all-star caliber player in the league is doing all the time. And even if they don't have Extra Innings and check Fangraphs regularly or play fantasy baseball, interleague play forces every fan and beat writer in the country to learn about the player at least once every three years.

I think Cano's well on his way to the Hall. He'd have to fall apart completely or commit a felony to miss it.

Shady lives on Staten Island, it's still 1955 there.