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2013 Off Season Dynasty Trade Thread (for completed trades) (2 Viewers)
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Lott's Fingertip
Footballguy
No cap money, just contracts (1-4 years per player, 48 max for the team, 20 man in-season vet roster). Each team receives $500 per season to bid on free agents during the year and RFAs in an open bidding period in the offseason. This money is tradeable and rolls over year to year. When a contract expires, that player is available to be bid on by every team, with the current owner able to match the highest bid if he chooses to and has the funds.Concept Coop said:
squistion
Footballguy
Yes, if he can stay healthy and there's the rub.
Normally you shouldn't trade an elite player without getting one in return, but as a Gronk owner in one league, I must say these constant injury issues are starting to concern me. So, if I I were in a rebuilding mode I would prefer the package of players and picks over Gronk. Outside of that, in most other league situations it would be hard to pull the trigger on this deal (although it would be tempting).
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Phenix
Footballguy
- Champtastics gave up Flynn, Matt OAK QB; Johnson, Chris TEN RB; Jennings, Greg MIN WR
- DEAD BOLTZ gave up Davis, Knile KCC RB; Garcon, Pierre WAS WR; Wallace, Mike MIA WR
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kutta
Footballguy
I think Flynn is nothing and can be waived, so I won't count him. I like DEAD's side, but not by a ton. I am not really a fan of any of these players, but the two I really don't like are Johnson and Jennings. I'm not a fan of WR's switching teams, but I think Wallace ended up in a better spot than Jennings, and I think Garcon at least has potential to be pretty darn good. Davis is nice a nice bonus in case Charles goes down.
But in reality, this is a trade between a bunch of guys I will probably never own.
ItsOnlytheRiver
Footballguy
I think getting a starting RB without giving one up is always a pretty good start so long as the starting requirements aren't that loose. Big fan of Garçon, but with his injury risk I could see moving him for Johnson even though I'm not really a fan.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
David Wilson for Demaryious Thomas
kutta
Footballguy
Phenix
Footballguy
Team moving Johnson was loaded at Runner and needed some young WRs if that helps.
Phenix
Footballguy
Phenix
Footballguy
Same dude turned down Lynch for Thomas straight. I happen to be in that league, wink wink.
ItsOnlytheRiver
Footballguy
Big Thomas fan so I like that side, but wouldn't be surprised if Wilson catches up value-wise this season. I would have tried to at least get a throw in or two.
Billy Ball Thorton
Footballguy
Couldn't disagree more. I prefer Britt to both combined and Jeffery to either one quite easily. I've seen worse but this deal is a lose lose.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Yeah, LeShoure is the least valuable piece in this entire deal for me, easily. I also would Take Britt alone for both those pieces, and I'm close on Jeffery and Randle so that's just gravy.
Like the Johnson side a lot but I'm down on Garcon, for me:
Johnson > Wallace, Jennings = Garcon
Donsmith753
Footballguy
Phenix deal I like the receiver side, not a fan of Johnson at at.
Same 16 teamer as I posted earlier
Mathews
Fitz
For
Wilson.
Bit annoyed as I feel I made a better offer the day before.
Same 16 teamer as I posted earlier
Mathews
Fitz
For
Wilson.
Bit annoyed as I feel I made a better offer the day before.
Scarpaggio
Footballguy
Few trades that took place during round one of our rookie draft yesterday..
Team A gave up:
Gore, Frank SFO RB
Year 2013 Draft Pick 2.08
Team B gave up:
Year 2013 Draft Pick 1.06
Year 2013 Draft Pick 2.06
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Team B gave up:
Greene, Shonn TEN RB
Year 2013 Draft Pick 4.03
Year 2013 Draft Pick 4.11
Team C gave up:
James, LaMichael SFO RB
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Team A gave up:Year 2013 Draft Pick 1.08
Team D gave up: Year 2014 Round 1 Draft Pick
Team A gave up:
Gore, Frank SFO RB
Year 2013 Draft Pick 2.08
Team B gave up:
Year 2013 Draft Pick 1.06
Year 2013 Draft Pick 2.06
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Team B gave up:
Greene, Shonn TEN RB
Year 2013 Draft Pick 4.03
Year 2013 Draft Pick 4.11
Team C gave up:
James, LaMichael SFO RB
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Team A gave up:Year 2013 Draft Pick 1.08
Team D gave up: Year 2014 Round 1 Draft Pick
Phenix
Footballguy
You may like Johnson more, some feel that way. But in no world is Garcon and Jennings Equal. One has a better QB and is younger, one switches teams to a worse QB and is 29 almost 30 coming of a groin injury that cost him the season. This is not the Jennings 3 years ago from Green Bay.
I think Johnson and Wallace are pretty equal, WRs have longer shelf life and he was a Top 10 WR last year, just like years prior, because they didnt blow up last year, they get a lesser ranking. For the love of god man, Wallace had Chhrlie freaking Batch throwing to him for a few games.
Get some information that really matters before you judge stuff in a vacuum, I think the trade is pretty even.
Johnson>>Wallace
Garcon>Jennings
Davis>>Flynn (On upside)
msudaisy26
Footballguy
traderallenpoe
Footballguy
I gave up:
Zac Stacy
Denard Robinson
I received:
Eddie Lacy
I also own Franklin so thats a nice handcuffed rookie rb duo i got now...
Zac Stacy
Denard Robinson
I received:
Eddie Lacy
I also own Franklin so thats a nice handcuffed rookie rb duo i got now...
Concept Coop
Footballguy
Great trade for you, and a major mistake by the other guy. Stacy and Robinson are both major longshots.
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ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
You realize trades happen in the first place because people disagree on player value, right? Chill out.
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Concept Coop
Footballguy
[SIZE=10.5pt]I think you overpaid for Julio. I don’t know how likely you are to retain Foster, not being in the league. But having the rights to a player still an asset, tradable during the season, if needed. If keeping Foster would have prevented you from keeping Dez – I get it. Otherwise, I don’t think I make this deal. Again, you clearly have a better understanding of the league and it’s habits. Just my opinion from the outside. [/SIZE]
Concept Coop
Footballguy
I don't think Bell is worth this. Only start 2, 12 team - the positional premium isn't enough for me to move those parts. I'm not high on Garcon, but he does have a solid market value right now. I also really like the 2.02 in this draft and think one of Hunter/Allen could be there in this format. I don't like the odds of Bell living up to Garcon/Wayne/Hunter. I'd much rather pay less for the 1.05 - 1.06 and take who falls.
It's pretty close, and roster size could affect the deal, but I'd take the WRs, and move Garcon elsewhere.
Lott's Fingertip
Footballguy
12 team, start Q/RR/WWW/T/flex. 1/2 PPR for WR/TE only. Max 4 year contracts, 20 man vet rosters (with 48 year cap) plus a 5 man rookie squad and a 2 man 2nd year player squad.
PC gave up Foster, Arian (1 year), Wayne, Reggie (open contract)
BIB gave up Mathews, Ryan(1 yr), Bowe, Dwayne(3 yr), Givens, Chris (open contract), Year 2014 Round 1 Draft Pick (mid/late);Year 2014 Round 1 Draft Pick (mid/late)
PC gave up Foster, Arian (1 year), Wayne, Reggie (open contract)
BIB gave up Mathews, Ryan(1 yr), Bowe, Dwayne(3 yr), Givens, Chris (open contract), Year 2014 Round 1 Draft Pick (mid/late);Year 2014 Round 1 Draft Pick (mid/late)
Lott's Fingertip
Footballguy
I would not have been able to keep Foster after the year unless I gave up Dez.
With the contract year restraints (48 years for the team) I needed to shed some years. I traded a 1st rounder for Blackmon so that I could flip him, but then he got his 4 game ban and apparently became kryptonite. So I had his 3 year contract, plus I had to assign contract to Luck, L.Miller, and J.Cameron, so I was going to be over the cap. I won't likely see any dividends for this trade this year, but I think it solidifies my RB spot through 2015.
There were basically only four RBs with 3+ year contracts that I would be willing to trade for in this league, and three of them were owned by owners that were not going to trade them. I like Foster and Lynch just fine in the short term, but I actually think they are overvalued in the long term. I don't think Lynch is a 5+ ypc kind of guy like he produced last year, he has the DUI thing that might nullify his value after this year, and I don't see him as a lock for the Seattle roster in 2014 (I especially do not see Seattle keeping him at his salary if he gets a suspension).
I can see Charles being top 5 for the next 3 years.
J.Jones vs Harvin is mostly an upside move. I think the most likely short-term outcome is that they produce relatively closely, but I do think Harvin has a lower floor and ceiling due to a possible shortage of targets and lower expected TD totals.
Donsmith753
Footballguy
Nicks (at least = to Fitz)
2014 1st (top 6)
2014 2nd (likely v.early)
2015 1st
I view the picks as >> than Mathews and nicks At least equal to Fitz.
nirad3
Footballguy
I may take the whole "don't put all your eggs in one basket" thing a bit too far, so feel free to blast me if this is just beyond stupid....
Considering trading Calvin Johnson and LeSean McCoy. Just landed both of these guys in another league so considering dealing them in a league where I'm completely rebuilding. They are, by far, my best pieces.
The offer on the table would be:
Julio Jones (4 years)
Derrick Johnson (2)
Michael Floyd (DTS)
2014 1st
2014 2nd
2014 3rd
FOR:
Calvin Johnson (open)
LeSean McCoy (2)
Pat Angerer (4 - contract year dump for me)
Earl Thomas (2)
$5 RFA cash (we start season with $50)
I realize Calvin Johnson with an open deal is like fantasy football gold but I have some wiggle room considering I own him in another league and am in a complete tear-down and rebuild.
Your thoughts, barbs and general "wtf are you doing" comments are most appreciated.
Oh, it's a 12-team PPR.
Considering trading Calvin Johnson and LeSean McCoy. Just landed both of these guys in another league so considering dealing them in a league where I'm completely rebuilding. They are, by far, my best pieces.
The offer on the table would be:
Julio Jones (4 years)
Derrick Johnson (2)
Michael Floyd (DTS)
2014 1st
2014 2nd
2014 3rd
FOR:
Calvin Johnson (open)
LeSean McCoy (2)
Pat Angerer (4 - contract year dump for me)
Earl Thomas (2)
$5 RFA cash (we start season with $50)
I realize Calvin Johnson with an open deal is like fantasy football gold but I have some wiggle room considering I own him in another league and am in a complete tear-down and rebuild.
Your thoughts, barbs and general "wtf are you doing" comments are most appreciated.
Oh, it's a 12-team PPR.
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i personally never understood the idea of "I own Player X in another league so I want to trade him in this league".
diversification (and rebalancing) can mitigate some risk in a portfolio, but I treat each team as a separate portfolio of players (I also don't subscribe to the theory of not having more than one player per NFL team... that would be concentration risk in investing vernacular, but if I believe in Romo AND Dez, I'll roster them both on the same team)
either you think the player will be good/great or you don't. Trading one of the most valuable assets in FF because you own him in another league makes no sense to me. Why play in multiple leagues? Are you capped with only 2 or 3 leagues because you know that ultimately there will be overlap? Do you pass on Witten in a redraft cause you have him in a dynasty?
sorry about the venting... it's not you, it is the concept
diversification (and rebalancing) can mitigate some risk in a portfolio, but I treat each team as a separate portfolio of players (I also don't subscribe to the theory of not having more than one player per NFL team... that would be concentration risk in investing vernacular, but if I believe in Romo AND Dez, I'll roster them both on the same team)
either you think the player will be good/great or you don't. Trading one of the most valuable assets in FF because you own him in another league makes no sense to me. Why play in multiple leagues? Are you capped with only 2 or 3 leagues because you know that ultimately there will be overlap? Do you pass on Witten in a redraft cause you have him in a dynasty?
sorry about the venting... it's not you, it is the concept
nirad3
Footballguy
I certainly understand where your thoughts are coming from. If I wasn't in a complete rebuild in "League 2" I would probably not even consider it.
Trading these guys would likely net me an assload of future picks, and quite frankly I find the rookie draft process to be one of the more exciting and rewarding parts of fantasy football.
And yes, I find that capping myself at 3 dynasty leagues provides for an enjoyable experience, balancing who I own and keeps my PayPal account from blowing up. I'll be in a couple/few redraft leagues and would most certainly not draft according to who I already own in dynasties.
I prefaced my post by saying it was a foreign concept to me... I've been doing this a lonnnng time, so maybe it's just out of boredom/keeping things fresh:
And, FWIW, I own Jones in my "third" dynasty. So.......
It's really about getting younger and adding future picks.
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I disagree which is why I said it. Garcon is hugely injury prone, has a foot he has said himself isn't fully healed, declined surgery on it and now thinks special shoes will fix the problem? His best season is a 947yds/6TD effort which was long before he damaged his foot. I personally really don't like Garcon, I see his potential and he could go off for 1200yds and 8 TDs this year, I get that but personally I have him even with Jennings.
I'm aware a lot of people are down on Jennings but he's been pretty durable throughout his career except for last year (never less than 13 games with last year excepted) and he will be seeing a lot of targets from Ponder.
I have Jennings and Garcon right next to each other personally, so maybe they are not together in your world but they are in mine and I would probably take GJ as I hate having a guy who you don't know is going to play each week!
JustinHawkins
Footballguy
Anyone who is RG3's clear #1 option in the passing game should have great value/upside. I wouldn't be surprised if Robert threw for 4500 yards this year. Less running = more passing IMO
You run into this problem when you have a fair number of leagues and your total investment in one player becomes too great. Take my sad story for example. I rostered Aaron Hernandez, a practical "sure thing" in 1.5 PPR for TE, in a large percentage of my dynasty leagues (approx $3,000 worth). A little more diversity in that regard could have been a money saving move.
ETA: I think its less of a question of whether you believe in a player or don't believe in a player, and more a question of whether an unlucky break will occur such as a player suffering a serious injury or getting imprisoned for murder.
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Concept Coop
Footballguy
I'm a bit agnostic on the idea, and usually view each roster as it's own portfolio. But, I know what you mean. In 2011 McCoy made me a lot of money...then went down and cost me a few champoinships.
nirad3
Footballguy
I know it's sophmoric to make the comparison... but a diverse stock portfolio CAN net you better results than the ol' "all eggs in one basket" deal. Now, if all of your eggs are solid gold, well then...
As it stands, I'm leaning towards rejecting that offer (turns out the 2nd/3rd were not brought to the table).
Another owner has dangled his entire 2014 draft, Robert Woods and Johnathan Franklin (I own Lacy)... while his 1st rounder may be on the late side (acquiring Johnson would make him the team to beat), it's a set of picks I could try combining with players to move up and acquire higher picks... and Woods/Franklin both had 1st-round grades (albeit in a weaker draft) this past draft.
We'll see. This is what I love about dynasty leagues.
As it stands, I'm leaning towards rejecting that offer (turns out the 2nd/3rd were not brought to the table).
Another owner has dangled his entire 2014 draft, Robert Woods and Johnathan Franklin (I own Lacy)... while his 1st rounder may be on the late side (acquiring Johnson would make him the team to beat), it's a set of picks I could try combining with players to move up and acquire higher picks... and Woods/Franklin both had 1st-round grades (albeit in a weaker draft) this past draft.
We'll see. This is what I love about dynasty leagues.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
I end up with very similar rosters over time because I tend to buy players who I think are good, when they are cheap. Since there are only a handful of those at any given time the rosters sort of merge towards each other.
In eleven dynasty leagues I expect to start only four different RBs and seven different WRs in week one this year.
The upside is that you're not rooting for very many different guys, start/sit decisions are simplified, and when you hit on a player you've bought you hit big.
The down side is that things are more boom and bust.
In eleven dynasty leagues I expect to start only four different RBs and seven different WRs in week one this year.
The upside is that you're not rooting for very many different guys, start/sit decisions are simplified, and when you hit on a player you've bought you hit big.
The down side is that things are more boom and bust.
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ItsOnlytheRiver
Footballguy
:facepalm:
nirad3
Footballguy
A and it's not even close. My compass always points to the team that's getting the best overall player in the deal. And in this case... yeah, not close.
Dragon1952
Footballguy
Wow....how horrible can you get.....AJ Green for Antonio Brown (and no.....the other 2 have little to no value)
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
nirad3
Footballguy
Ended up not taking this deal. But yes, I've been mandated by the fantasy gods that a complete rebuild is absolutely necessary.
BlackMamba24
Footballguy
kutta
Footballguy
That is not the way to do it. As Dropkick said, keep those guys and build around them. How are you going to get better than the best WR in football and one of the top young RB's in football? That sounds like a pretty good start to rebuilding to me.
If you were getting another stud, and a couple more first round picks, maybe you could consider it. But this is robbery,
I offered up the same deal with Welker instead of Brown initially, but he countered with this. Forgot that I also gave my 4.1 for his 4.9 in the deal, but it is slim pickings in the draft right now so pretty meaningless.
He is a bit needy at TE with Hernandez and Miller and has Murrey at RB. I'll be more than willing to take Green. Was going to be facing a numbers crunch anyways at cut down so this helps.
He is a bit needy at TE with Hernandez and Miller and has Murrey at RB. I'll be more than willing to take Green. Was going to be facing a numbers crunch anyways at cut down so this helps.
