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2013 Off Season Dynasty Trade Thread (for completed trades) (3 Viewers)
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King of the Jungle
Footballguy
I agree. On top of that I would almost rather have Cutler for the foreseeable future.
Phenix
Footballguy
Nope, its a start 1 QB league. My other QB is Brady, so Dalton and Cutler was a mere backup swap, so the 10th pick is just gravy.
Billy Ball Thorton
Footballguy
Couldn't disagree more.He just had a great 2nd year, without a running game or wr 2, he's top 10 no doubt and should only get better. The lack of new qb prospects and guys like manning,Brady,Bree's getting older your missing the boat big time, IMO.
Wilson, RGIII, and Luck don't count? And then Newton and Kaep are from Dalton's draft class.
EBF
Footballguy
I think he's just a guy for FF purposes barring significant improvement. He had a decent completion percentage and finished with 27 passing TDs, but struggled against top teams and only averaged 6.95 yards per passing attempt. That YPA average is not much better than guys like Weeden, Fitzpatrick, and Bradford. I think Dalton overrated by some because a lot of FF owners still just look at PPG and don't pay attention to efficiency, where Dalton comes out looking like an average to slightly below average NFL QB. Unless I thought he was going to get a lot better in future seasons, I wouldn't give up much at all to get him. I don't think his redraft outlook is significantly better than guys like Roethlisberger and Cutler, who can probably be had for cheap. Of the young guys, I don't see him as a big step up from colder names like Freeman and Bradford. He just doesn't offer a lot of value over easily-obtained replacements and I don't see much in his numbers to date that points to a big upside down the road.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
Dalton is a better NFL player than he is fantasy option. His numbers are just fine for a soon-to-be 3rd year player, and the success his team is having is a good sign, as well. But there are so many solid fantasy options that Dalton isn't likely to make a difference for many rosters, anytime soon. I think he's a solid backup with upside - his first 2 years compare nicely to Matt Ryan's - but, again, too many other options out there to invest much in Dalton today.
Rolling_akg
Footballguy
loose circuits
Footballguy
If Sanu and/or White live up to potential then Dalton's value as well as efficiency will improve
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ghostguy123
Footballguy
To me Dalton has very low stud potential. "Top 10" is NOT a stud. It's probably a point a week above whoever finished 15th or 16th. And he drops down ever more with Kaepernick about to start the year.I wouldnt feel comfortable with Dalton as my long term Qb at all
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
12 team ppr
Peterson
Welker
Andre Johnson
Pitta
2014 3+4
for
Demaryius Thomas
Morris
Vernon Davis
2014 1+2
Peterson
Welker
Andre Johnson
Pitta
2014 3+4
for
Demaryius Thomas
Morris
Vernon Davis
2014 1+2
BrainDeadGenius
Footballguy
Witten, 1.01
For
Graham
For
Graham
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I love the "I'm shocked" shtick by the other side after rejecting an offer. As if the guy was undertaking some sort of charitable act by even making the offer in the first place.
Phenix
Footballguy
This is the NFL, one year your a stud the next your not. Its all a gamble of what ifs.I love the fantasy community and how they value players. Dez is one player good or not, was he worth it this time last year? Also, one more arrest what is he worth? Value changes, you cash in when you can.Nicks was a Top 5 WR last year, not even in the Top 20 in some this year. People were so down on ADP last year his value sunk, no one would trade for him, now look. Also, people are down on Jennings yet the loved Harvin when he had Ponder. Its foolish and comical they way some people value players.Point is, Value changes, get while its hot. What happens if and when Dez gets arrested again, I'll say it again, what is his value then?Will he be worth Jennings and 3 top 15 picks? Wait, the media says this draft sucks, so it is gospel, so maybe not.
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Concept Coop
Footballguy
What is the scoring setup? Graham is a tier 1 player to me, so this deal is likely something I would do, in most PPR formats. Very interesting deal to consider.'BrainDeadGenius said:
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Banemorth
Footballguy
In the same boat. On first instinct I say I'd want Graham but I'm not sure. Witten is no slouch and it's always fun owning the 1.01.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
So you were just doing the other guy a favor when you made the offer?I wasn't really commenting on the offer itself. Why would some one be "shocked" that some one else turned down an offer where they obviously favored the other side of the deal?'Phenix said:
Concept Coop
Footballguy
This would depend a lot on my roster. Fair trade and each side would be more/less appealing depending on whether I am competing or not. In a vacuum, I'd likely take the Thomas/Morris side. In PPR formats, I actually like Thomas more than Peterson, so it's:Thomas > PetersonMorris > Johnson1+2 <= WelkerDavis = Pitta'thriftyrocker said:
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
12 team ppr - QB/2RB/3WR/TE/Flex
Team F traded
Brown, Vincent WR SD
Cousins, Kirk QB WAS (team I owns RGIII)
Vereen, Shane RB NE
Bradshaw, Ahmad RB NYG
to Team I
Redman, Isaac RB PIT
Hardesty, Montario RB CLE
Nelson, Jordy WR GB
Dwyer, Jonathan RB PIT
Team F traded
Brown, Vincent WR SD
Cousins, Kirk QB WAS (team I owns RGIII)
Vereen, Shane RB NE
Bradshaw, Ahmad RB NYG
to Team I
Redman, Isaac RB PIT
Hardesty, Montario RB CLE
Nelson, Jordy WR GB
Dwyer, Jonathan RB PIT
Concept Coop
Footballguy
In a start 3 with a flex spot, I'll gladly take Jordy at this price. If healthy, I'd be very surprised if he's not a top 12 WR next year.
I'm a big fan of Givens so would gladly pay this to get him
JPeso
Footballguy
Even if you didn't love Jordy you could ship him for better
Lott's Fingertip
Footballguy
I think the prudent thing to do is trade all of your players before something bad might happen. If you have no players, their is no chance of value going down.'Phenix said:
Instinctive
Footballguy
Zealots League:
Team A gives:
Pead, Isaiah STL RB
Year 2013 Round 2 Draft Pick from Oakland Raiders
Year 2013 Round 3 Draft Pick from Houston Texans
Year 2014 Round 2 Draft Pick from Houston Texans
Team B gives:
Jennings, Rashad JAC RB
Jones-Drew, Maurice JAC RB
Team A gives:
Pead, Isaiah STL RB
Year 2013 Round 2 Draft Pick from Oakland Raiders
Year 2013 Round 3 Draft Pick from Houston Texans
Year 2014 Round 2 Draft Pick from Houston Texans
Team B gives:
Jennings, Rashad JAC RB
Jones-Drew, Maurice JAC RB
MJD by a lot, and I really like Pead.
One More Rep
Footballguy
I like Givens side
Interesting (given what I am recalling about your preference for picks in general - where in most cases I have agreed). I think it looks close, but I like the 1.8 here.
Banemorth
Footballguy
I think it's a fair trade. I like Givens but just dumped him for what I could get. He was a depth guy with 1 year left on his contract and I already need to blow my tags on JPP and Gresham after this year. Got $30 in league cash and the 4.09 for him. (Cash is used in the RFA Auction, tagging, in-season waivers, etc. Start 11O and 11D)
Warhogs
Footballguy
I like the team acquiring MJD in that deal.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
I own Givens, and wouldn't trade him straight up for the 1.8.
Andrew74
Footballguy
12 team. 0.5 PPR, start 1/2/3/1
I gave: SJax, J Rodgers, 2014 1st
I get: M Ryan/1.04/2014 2nd
My 14 should be 2nd half. His 2nd probably mid-round at worst. Still leaves me with Martin/Morris/Charles at RB, so I felt trading Jackson made sense even though I think he's good for another 1-2 years.
I gave: SJax, J Rodgers, 2014 1st
I get: M Ryan/1.04/2014 2nd
My 14 should be 2nd half. His 2nd probably mid-round at worst. Still leaves me with Martin/Morris/Charles at RB, so I felt trading Jackson made sense even though I think he's good for another 1-2 years.
Forget your other RB's and the fact that you received a 2014 mid-2nd in return, giving SJax and a likely late 2014 1st for Matt Ryan and the 1.04 is a no brainer no matter the circumstances IMO.
ETA: Sorry, I read it quickly and thought that was A.Rodgers, not J.Rodgers. Nice deal for you IMO.
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Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Just sent Bernard Pierce and Jon Baldwin for Isaac Redman and Steve Smith. Absolutely hated to give up Pierce but have a strong contender (Rodgers / Charles / McCoy / Marshall / Colston / Britt / Smith in a 12 teamer) and was looking at having to start Davone Bess every week in my flex/WR4.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Graham EASY'BrainDeadGenius said:
ghostguy123
Footballguy
So you make a huge offer for Dez...........and then cal yourself an idiot for making the offer.............Am I missing something here?'Phenix said:
gianmarco
Footballguy
Yuck. So much more you could have bought instead of Smith. And it's not even April and you're worried about a starting lineup? Pleeeeeeeeeeeeenty of time to worry about starting lineups. You could end up picking up the next Alfred Morris in training camp or have one of your bench guys emerge unexpectedly. That's the kind of deal you can always make later.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Holy crap, is that the value Vereen is pulling right now?
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
whats so great about that? Broyles and 1.10? Id rather have Vereen incase he does get a piece of the NE pie
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Depends on how you feel about Vereen of course. I do not feel he will ever be a top 15 RB no matter what the situation is so I would rather have the lottery ticket.
EBF
Footballguy
Some pretty good names should still be there at 1.10. I think you've got a better chance of landing a real impact player if you stay there and play the lotto. I don't really get the excitement for Vereen. Ridley is going nowhere and the Patriots have never produced more than one relevant FF back at a time. Vereen has been a nonfactor there through two years and only seems to have trade value because of one memorable playoff game.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
I'd take Broyles for Vereen, depending on rosters. 1.10 is frosting on top.
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Banemorth
Footballguy
Agree.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
I dont think its some kind of holy crap value though. Broyles has 2 different torn acls in 2 seasons and the Lions are going to draft another WR this year
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
I don't know, it is to me. I'd think about offering a mid/late 2nd for Vereen, if I had a major need at RB. I'd think about it. So to me, a solid WR2/3 on the upswing and a late 1st is a lot. Especially this time of year, it's tough to pry away any 1sts.
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Rolling_akg
Footballguy
Not to mention bush might be a slot receiver too
