Banemorth
Footballguy
I'm sure they will but if Miller really starts I don't think it's a bad deal. Arizona is an offensive wasteland.
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2013 Off Season Dynasty Trade Thread (for completed trades) (2 Viewers)
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bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
things change fast in the NFL. New coach. new OC, new QB. Granted if Stanton is slinging it, fitz looks to have another wasted year. they need to draft a kid that can play. plain n simple
Banemorth
Footballguy
I agree and the trade was probably bad value regardless. Just saying that unless things change down there I doubt they'll be much of a performance difference.
BearsFan4Life
Footballguy
Fitz ..wow ..Best I'm getting for Lamar is JStewart and an early 2nd Round Pick
Banemorth
Footballguy
My thoughts on this was is that I was throwing out a bunch of guys I was never going to start, plus some future draft picks. They should be late. Seems like a lot but they were guys I don't think I'd ever start anyways.
Skeletore Eh
Footballguy
A lot? You gave up a first next year for Wallace.
doubletrouble
Footballguy
Wallace for a 2014 1st
Banemorth
Footballguy
I said it *seems* like a lot. In the end I don't think it was. Angerer has some bounce-back potential and Dan Williams is a solid young DT. Streater might end up being something. I have no faith at all in Alex Smith or Helu.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
I'm with you. I still want to see what Miami does in the draft/rest of FA, and see how camp goes. So right now, I'd rather have Fitz. But if Miller is still the clear starter week 1, he's a 22 YO starting RB. I woulnd't make that deal, but it's not awful.
cstu
Footballguy
Personally I think they want Geno bad and are doing everything possible to hide their interest - including signing Stanton. They didn't even send scouts to his Pro Day - who does that when they're sitting at #7 and have no one at QB?
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Why can't I be in leagues like this? A bunch of garbage (and I do like Pierce) for a top 10 RB.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
No it doesn't. Well a lot of players, but not a lot of anything valuable (and I do like Streater).
wakelawyer
Footballguy
This trade just went down in a 12 team PPR, starting 1 QB / 2 RB / 3 WR / 1 TE / 1 Flex
Team A gives: Ray Rice, Vincent Jackson, Keyshawn Martin
Team B gives: 1.1, 1.2, 1.9, and 1.12.
Team A gives: Ray Rice, Vincent Jackson, Keyshawn Martin
Team B gives: 1.1, 1.2, 1.9, and 1.12.
Ouch, maybe for Rice alone, but Ray Rice AND Vincent Jackson for a handful of 1st round rookie picks? If the team is rebuilding and those were the only two valuable players I can understand why, but would have gone after something a bit more guaranteed
GoodLloydHaveMercy
Footballguy
Just completed in 12 team dynasty...
standard non-ppr...
10yds per pt rushing & receiving...
30 yds per pt returning so not huge boost but nice advantage for anybody that plays offense and does returns...
start QB RB RB WR WR WR TE K DEF...
TEAM A gives...
Hakeem Nicks
2014 1st rd pick (likely 1.5 to 1.8 range)
TEAM B gives...
1.2 (2013)
3rd Rd Pick (2014)
sidenote:
Team A is a footballguys.com subscriber & also has TouchdownRobberCobber, Josh Gordon, Demaryius Thomas, Greg Little, Denarius Moore, Dwayne Harris, Jacoby Ford
Team B BEFORE the trade had only Crabtree & Decker as his only WRs to speak of
standard non-ppr...
10yds per pt rushing & receiving...
30 yds per pt returning so not huge boost but nice advantage for anybody that plays offense and does returns...
start QB RB RB WR WR WR TE K DEF...
TEAM A gives...
Hakeem Nicks
2014 1st rd pick (likely 1.5 to 1.8 range)
TEAM B gives...
1.2 (2013)
3rd Rd Pick (2014)
sidenote:
Team A is a footballguys.com subscriber & also has TouchdownRobberCobber, Josh Gordon, Demaryius Thomas, Greg Little, Denarius Moore, Dwayne Harris, Jacoby Ford
Team B BEFORE the trade had only Crabtree & Decker as his only WRs to speak of
Very strong win for the team getting Nicks, even without the additional draft pick included.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
I think team B got a great deal. I'd take Nicks over the 1.02, but wouldn't blame anyone for taking the pick; Nicks has plenty of red flags. But including the 1st is a major surrender of value, in my opinion.
GoodLloydHaveMercy
Footballguy
Yeah I feel like Team A I gave up way too much but he I have always seemed to be able to pull off crazy deals right before the draft every year where he I turn early 1st rd picks into 2 or 3 players or picks. It will be interesting to see what he plans to do with that pick @ 1.2 translation I have plans to flip it but nothing is set in stone just yetETA: Im TEAM A...
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ctrlaltdefeat
Footballguy
Another Nicks trade.
Nicks for the 1.01
Nicks for the 1.01
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
12 team PPR
Gave:
Antonio Gates
Got:
Dwayne Harris
Dexter McCluster
Gave:
Antonio Gates
Got:
Dwayne Harris
Dexter McCluster
At that price, I'd hold Gates until he retires.12 team PPRGave:Antonio GatesGotwayne HarrisDexter McCluster
Rolling_akg
Footballguy
Team A gives Jordy Nelson and Romo
Team B gives Stevie Johnson and Matt Ryan
Ppr and 6 pt all tds
Team B gives Stevie Johnson and Matt Ryan
Ppr and 6 pt all tds
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
I also have Gronk and Hernandez, so I was more interested in potential and depth at WR. The next best offer I received was for Marcedes Lewis and the 4.12....if I gave two future 3rds along with Gates.I had an open roster spot, so this depth at WR, and especially potential with Harris possibly manning that 3rd WR spot in Dallas and McCluster having Reid, did it for me.At that price, I'd hold Gates until he retires.12 team PPRGave:Antonio GatesGot
Bamac
Footballguy
Good trade for your roster.I also have Gronk and Hernandez, so I was more interested in potential and depth at WR. The next best offer I received was for Marcedes Lewis and the 4.12....if I gave two future 3rds along with Gates.I had an open roster spot, so this depth at WR, and especially potential with Harris possibly manning that 3rd WR spot in Dallas and McCluster having Reid, did it for me.At that price, I'd hold Gates until he retires.12 team PPRGave:Antonio GatesGot
Bamac
Footballguy
Good trade for your roster.I also have Gronk and Hernandez, so I was more interested in potential and depth at WR. The next best offer I received was for Marcedes Lewis and the 4.12....if I gave two future 3rds along with Gates.I had an open roster spot, so this depth at WR, and especially potential with Harris possibly manning that 3rd WR spot in Dallas and McCluster having Reid, did it for me.At that price, I'd hold Gates until he retires.12 team PPRGave:Antonio GatesGot
Matt's Eagles
Footballguy
I am the team that traded Lamar MillerOur starting requirements are 1qb, 1-3 rbs, 2-4 wrs, 1teMy squad:QB Rdogers, RGIII, Tavaris JacksonRB Marshawn Lynch, Turbin, Reggie Bush, Jonathan Stewart, Michael TurnerWR Larry Fitzgerald, Jeremy Maclin, Steve SMith, Torrey Smith, Michael Floyd, Michael Crabtree, Marvin Jones, Lance MooreTE Gronk, FleenerI also own pick 1.1 in the rookie draft'moderated said:
loose circuits
Footballguy
seems silly to me to give up a guy who some had rated as high as top 5 only a year ago who is only 25 years and a future 1st for 1.02. I couldn't disagree more with the value especially considering you just want to trade the pick anyways. Nicks should draw more than any rookie in this draft IMO. This makes me want to try to trade for him in the other leagues where I don't own him. Maybe his value is low since he played hurt all year, but it sounds like he is healthy now'GoodLloydHaveMercy said:
ghostguy123
Footballguy
12 team PPR dynasty
Amendola
Ben Tate
a 2014 2nd
for
Lamar Miller
Robert Turbin
Amendola
Ben Tate
a 2014 2nd
for
Lamar Miller
Robert Turbin
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Blackmon. I actually would like to get him for pick 2
One More Rep
Footballguy
Blackmon side
One More Rep
Footballguy
Miller/Turbin
One of the first trades Iv seen involving these two I didn't think was ridiculous.Probably because they were both traded for each other this time lol
GoodLloydHaveMercy
Footballguy
My biggest issue with him is his health and I'm concerned that his issues just keep coming back... I've decided to be done with him and he was the biggest piece I felt I could use to get the 1.2Last wk I was closing in on a package to land harvin from another guy but he had no interest in Nicks... In our league for some reason it always seems like picks 1-3 are able to be moved for premium value right before the draft and I'm planning to make another run at harvin as his owner is desperate for RBs and a top pick in THIS draft... We shall see how it plays out
ghostguy123
Footballguy
12 team PPR dynasty
Lamar Miller
Kendall Wright
Kyle Rudolph
Dujuan Harris
1.05
2.02
for
Reggie Wayne
Dwayne Bowe
Danny Amendola
Jordy Nelson
4.02
2014 2nd
Lamar Miller
Kendall Wright
Kyle Rudolph
Dujuan Harris
1.05
2.02
for
Reggie Wayne
Dwayne Bowe
Danny Amendola
Jordy Nelson
4.02
2014 2nd
Banemorth
Footballguy
Probably going to get mixed reviews on this one. Full IDP, Salary, Contract Year league.
I Give:
Johnson, Chris TEN RB 2yr 7m
Hilton, T.Y. IND WR 1yr .5m
Hernandez, Aaron NEP TE 4yr 4m
2014 3rd
I Get:
Richardson, Trent CLE RB 2yr 3m
Williams, DeAngelo CAR RB 2yr 2m
Crabtree, Michael SFO WR 3yr .5m
Myers, Brandon NYG TE 1yr .5m
Sheard, Jabaal CLE LB 4yr 2m
2014 2nd
I Give:
Johnson, Chris TEN RB 2yr 7m
Hilton, T.Y. IND WR 1yr .5m
Hernandez, Aaron NEP TE 4yr 4m
2014 3rd
I Get:
Richardson, Trent CLE RB 2yr 3m
Williams, DeAngelo CAR RB 2yr 2m
Crabtree, Michael SFO WR 3yr .5m
Myers, Brandon NYG TE 1yr .5m
Sheard, Jabaal CLE LB 4yr 2m
2014 2nd
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Just way too much proven talent there, despite the fact that I drive the Miller train.
Lott's Fingertip
Footballguy
12 team, PPR, start 1/2/3/1/flex, no contracts
traded Ray Rice
received Doug Martin
Just looking to get a bit younger. I like Rice a bit more in the short term, but think they have similar ceilings and floors. I like Martin for the long term. I am also a touch wary of Pierce possibly cutting into Rice's workload. Just a touch, mind you.
traded Ray Rice
received Doug Martin
Just looking to get a bit younger. I like Rice a bit more in the short term, but think they have similar ceilings and floors. I like Martin for the long term. I am also a touch wary of Pierce possibly cutting into Rice's workload. Just a touch, mind you.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
David Wilson
I. Pead
for
Michael Floyd
2013 2nd
2014 1st
2104 2nd
* Start as little as 0 RBs and up to 5 WRs. I am bigger fan of Floyd than most and assume the ARI will someday fix the QB problem. Plus I owed my buddy a favorable trade.
I. Pead
for
Michael Floyd
2013 2nd
2014 1st
2104 2nd
* Start as little as 0 RBs and up to 5 WRs. I am bigger fan of Floyd than most and assume the ARI will someday fix the QB problem. Plus I owed my buddy a favorable trade.
EBF
Footballguy
I like it. I'm not convinced that Wilson > Floyd long term, especially in leagues with no pressure to field RBs. Add the picks to the equation and you could come out well ahead over time.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
I think you could have sold Wilson for much more. Most definitely a more proven WR, ready to contribute, than Floyd. Wilson is going in the top 3 rounds of start-ups and being traded for crazy hauls. You had a very liquid asset and didn't take advantage of it.
Huh?
Can't imagine why you would think that.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Appreciate the opinion, and you may be right about the value. However he has been on the table for the last 2 months and the best offer I have received was SJax and a 2014 1st. Floyd was a target and I decided to pull the trigger. No regrets on my part. The owing my buddy comment comes from the last 3-4 trades we have done have worked out too well in my favor. Sometimes it is nice to let the other side win to keep trading doors open. The league has been around with the same guys for over 15 years so it is good to be kind at times with offers. I don't think it was overly favorable to the point of one-sided.....but I see you point of value on Wilson.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Thanks, I feel the same. My goal has been to load up on WRs and nearly eliminate the RBs on my roster. A lot of potential in that trade it will be interesting to see who fulfills it.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Umm, this is prolly good short AND long term.12 team, PPR, start 1/2/3/1/flex, no contractstraded Ray Ricereceived Doug MartinJust looking to get a bit younger. I like Rice a bit more in the short term, but think they have similar ceilings and floors. I like Martin for the long term. I am also a touch wary of Pierce possibly cutting into Rice's workload. Just a touch, mind you.
Banemorth
Footballguy
People love Hernandez.
See, however, Ryan Mathews and his current value.
cstu
Footballguy
Breaking it down, Wilson for Floyd + 1st and Pead for 2 2nd's isn't too bad (although I do like Pead quite a bit). The market for Wilson is extremely high right now so you gave up up a lot in value but I don't think it's too bad.
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King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Value is a tricky thing because it is consistently changing. In addition it varies greatly between leagues. My league is unique in its starting requirements so RBs take a slight hit due to that. I usually just go after what I want within reason and don't worry too much about a slight overpay on my end. I have found this encourages more activity and keeps a good relationship with the other owners for future deals.
