SieteCinco
Footballguy
I'm not in that league so I don't know what the rosters look like, but in a vacuum I'd rather have Vincent Brown/Shane Vereen and by quite a bit as well.
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2013 Off Season Dynasty Trade Thread (for completed trades) (5 Viewers)
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Bamac
Footballguy
That's really surprising. I would take Amendola alone -- certainly with the picks. Have seen multiple trades of Amendola for the 1.03 rookie pick or higher.
32 Counter Pass
Footballguy
For my own edification, can you point to an example of a RB that had a chronic hamstring injury that impacted their career? Speaking as a high school football coach, hamstrings are basically addressed with rest. Once the player realizes that it is a non issue. Just guessing but Lacy is prolly trying to push himself before the hammy is ready. It will not be an issue beyond the present time.I actually do put some stock into hamstring injuries. Of course it can be a freak thing and never pop up again. However, it can also be a red flag in that he will have a lot of future hamstring issues, which would be horrible for a RB.I worry about a very YOUNG guy getting a grade 2 hamstring injury. And since I have no idea if it was a freak thing or an indication or more to come, I have to reflect how I value him a bit differently because of it.Before Lacy was hurt I still would taken Blackmon over the #1 pick. I prefer Blackmon even a little more than I already did now.No, he cost the 1.01 overall start-up pick.Arian Foster didnt cost the 1.01 rookie pick.'32 Counter Pass said:This reminds of all the panic of Arian Foster's hamstring tear a couple years back.That didn't turn out to well for the naysayers either.
Seems like a lot of hand wringing about a non issue.
Dawg Pound 69
Footballguy
It's close but prefer Torrey and the pick. Not a believer in Jeffery, and Jones unlikely to top 8 TD's even without Jennings. Cobb and Jordy will get the numbers in GB.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
10 team league, give me Calvin pretty easily.
Rolling_akg
Footballguy
Rpd owned you phenix
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The upgrade to 1.08 was not nearly enough to offset the significant difference between Thomas/Morris over Lynch/Nicks.
10, 12 or 14, Calvin still wins easily imo
Phenix
Footballguy
In my opinion, I thought so, considering I think Lynch is better than Morris and I just moved Nicks for White and 2.01Method to the madness my friend. The difference is not so significant.
This time last year Nicks was a Top 10 WR in start ups. If he did not get hurt, he very well could be perform that way.
[*]Rolling Prairie Dogs gave up White, Roddy ATL WR; Year 2013 Draft Pick 2.01
[*]Kiss My Ring gave up Nicks, Hakeem NYG WR
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King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Anyone else utilize the option trade? This has worked well for me in the past.
Whether Lynch or Morris is better is debatable. However, Thomas >> Nicks imo and is a top 5 dynasty WR (and in my opinion, deserving of a back of the 1st round startup pick). I think the trade got worse with the second trade, the overall result being Morris/Thomas/2.03 for Lynch/Roddy/1.08/2.01. I'd need a whole lot more to trade away the one elite dynasty player in the bunch, Thomas. If I had to guess based on this trade, I'd say some owners are underselling Thomas based on the Welker trade (which for dynasty, means little to me). We may see more of these in the near future as now is the time to strike if you want Thomas.
I like this option quite a bit. Gives you extra chances at a top pick.
Phenix
Footballguy
First off Lynch out performed Morris in my league 17.08 to 14.03 in points per game last year.Thomas had 17.74 and white had 17.32 in points per game. Seems pretty good to me. Not to mention the picks.
While last year is not an indication of this year, it helps to guage value.
Food for thought, what happens to DTs value when Manning retires next year?
Also, you are seriously gonna tell me Nicks who has never out performed Roddy, regardless of age, and cannot stay on the field is better? While I like Nicks and his Upside, I like Roddy more based of track record and injury history.
After both trades...
Team A - Lynch, White, 1.8, and 2.1
Team B - Morris, Thomas and 2.3
Virtually Thomas for Roddy and 1.08 with other value made up in what I believe to be Lynch better then Morris and 2.3 to 2.1.
Thanks for the insight.
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In redraft perhaps. Dynasty is a whole different animal. You're already equating Thomas' and White's numbers, but Thomas is only turning 26 in December and White is turning 32! Thats a huge difference. Morris is turning 25, in December. Lynch will be 27 next month. Im not a Morris fan (relative to some others), but he's at least even with Lynch for me.
Personally, I wouldn't trade Thomas by himself for Roddy White and Marshawn Lynch. Morris is just a lot of gravy.
By the way, Thomas looked awfully good even before Manning got there. When Manning retires, Thomas will still have top notch value. By then, Roddy and Lynch will be afterthoughts in my estimation. This trade can only make sense if you overemphasize today - it gets a whole lot worse for the Roddy/Lynch side when Manning retires.
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Rolling_akg
Footballguy
Meh in phenix defense demaryius is young but manning is no spring chick. Dthom is risky in 2 yrs. Morris younger than lynch but no shanny. Given the picks he did well
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Lott's Fingertip
Footballguy
Back to the Vereen topic for a second:
*First and foremost, I think he is strictly a fantasy backup while Ridley is healthy. Even Woodley's top 26 finish was filled with negligible outings. I do believe he is a talented RB, and many of the observations in here are being stated as gospel truth rather than in the context of a small sample size. There have been some individual nice runs as well as some individual bad runs... but not nearly enough to draw any reasonably firm conclusion on his overall talent. At best you can have a tentative feeling on him. More than that and hubris is taking over.
* The fact that Vereen has two years experience isn't very useful. His first season he had almost no training camp and was on the PUP before getting a few touches towards the end of the year. He did not have a chance to show anything. So anybody saying he has had two years to stake his claim are either ill-informed or massaging the facts to fit their opinion.
* regarding B.Bolden - if the Pats like him, why did he not get a touch in the playoffs? (was he hurt? I don't recall an injury) If he is a talented runner, why did he average 3.4 ypc outside of the Buffalo game? I'm not saying he is or isn't talented, but we have VERY little to go on. His total ypc was raised nearly 50% from that one game.
* re: Vereen's outlook - EBF said that "Even if I thought Vereen was a standout RB talent, the biggest issue is that there's no clear route to the amount of touches he would need to become viable." This is dynasty, if you believe in a player's talent, you may be willing to wait two years until he is a free agent. Heck, some people are willing to wait THREE years for a guy they like **coughBERNARDPIERCEcough**.
* Thriftyrocker said: "Vereen had 62 carries last year. 26 of them came when NE was up by 17 or more points (according to ESPN). For those 26, he had a 2.8 ypc. For the other 36 it was 4.9 ypc." Why has this factoid not been addressed? Look at the game logs, most of those 26 carries with a big lead were with a HUGE lead. Context matters.
* EBF said "4.0 career YPC. Has never busted a 20+ yard run. Has never rushed for 50+ yards in a game." Nothing wrong with a 4 ypc on a small sample size, especially considering the context Thriftyrocker provided. Frankly, a 4.0 ypc over 77 carries tells us absolutely nothing. If his next carry is 43 yards, he would then have a career ypc of 4.5. And it would be equally meaningless. Also, He had a 22 yard run against Houston in the playoffs. No 50 yard rushing games, but he did have a 49 yard game plus 4 other 40+ yard games. Not that this stat matters AT ALL. You can present your opinion without cherry picked stats and definitive statement about a player with <80 career carries and most people would still respect you on this board. Humility is a favorable trait that too many seem to forget about too often.
* Lastly, there are some very intelligent posters on each side of this issue. Doesn't it give you pause when multiple intelligent people hold the opposite opinion that you do? (this goes for folks on both sides) I pretty much never substitute somebody else's judgement for my own in fantasy football, but I absolutely take intelligent people's opinions into consideration. Too many people speak in such absolutes that it is borderline comical. If there is one absolute, it is that we all are wrong sometimes even when we are SO SURE about something.
*First and foremost, I think he is strictly a fantasy backup while Ridley is healthy. Even Woodley's top 26 finish was filled with negligible outings. I do believe he is a talented RB, and many of the observations in here are being stated as gospel truth rather than in the context of a small sample size. There have been some individual nice runs as well as some individual bad runs... but not nearly enough to draw any reasonably firm conclusion on his overall talent. At best you can have a tentative feeling on him. More than that and hubris is taking over.
* The fact that Vereen has two years experience isn't very useful. His first season he had almost no training camp and was on the PUP before getting a few touches towards the end of the year. He did not have a chance to show anything. So anybody saying he has had two years to stake his claim are either ill-informed or massaging the facts to fit their opinion.
* regarding B.Bolden - if the Pats like him, why did he not get a touch in the playoffs? (was he hurt? I don't recall an injury) If he is a talented runner, why did he average 3.4 ypc outside of the Buffalo game? I'm not saying he is or isn't talented, but we have VERY little to go on. His total ypc was raised nearly 50% from that one game.
* re: Vereen's outlook - EBF said that "Even if I thought Vereen was a standout RB talent, the biggest issue is that there's no clear route to the amount of touches he would need to become viable." This is dynasty, if you believe in a player's talent, you may be willing to wait two years until he is a free agent. Heck, some people are willing to wait THREE years for a guy they like **coughBERNARDPIERCEcough**.
* Thriftyrocker said: "Vereen had 62 carries last year. 26 of them came when NE was up by 17 or more points (according to ESPN). For those 26, he had a 2.8 ypc. For the other 36 it was 4.9 ypc." Why has this factoid not been addressed? Look at the game logs, most of those 26 carries with a big lead were with a HUGE lead. Context matters.
* EBF said "4.0 career YPC. Has never busted a 20+ yard run. Has never rushed for 50+ yards in a game." Nothing wrong with a 4 ypc on a small sample size, especially considering the context Thriftyrocker provided. Frankly, a 4.0 ypc over 77 carries tells us absolutely nothing. If his next carry is 43 yards, he would then have a career ypc of 4.5. And it would be equally meaningless. Also, He had a 22 yard run against Houston in the playoffs. No 50 yard rushing games, but he did have a 49 yard game plus 4 other 40+ yard games. Not that this stat matters AT ALL. You can present your opinion without cherry picked stats and definitive statement about a player with <80 career carries and most people would still respect you on this board. Humility is a favorable trait that too many seem to forget about too often.
* Lastly, there are some very intelligent posters on each side of this issue. Doesn't it give you pause when multiple intelligent people hold the opposite opinion that you do? (this goes for folks on both sides) I pretty much never substitute somebody else's judgement for my own in fantasy football, but I absolutely take intelligent people's opinions into consideration. Too many people speak in such absolutes that it is borderline comical. If there is one absolute, it is that we all are wrong sometimes even when we are SO SURE about something.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Well, just so you know, when you push to come back from a hammy injury, it CAN become a chronic thing and cause problems for the rest of a player's career. I am not gonna go look back for examples of RBs that have gone through this for a couple reasons. One, it's probably very rare. Two, you do the work.However, it's also fairly rare for a 21 year old to be injuring their hamstring. And a chronic hammy problem can occur if the initial injury is not rehabbed properly.Again, I am NOT saying Lacy will have hammy problems forever, I am just saying it is not a complete non issue like some are making it out to be. If he has another hammy tear in the next year or so, I would mark him pretty far down on my dynasty rankings.And if Lacy truly did or does try to push himself and come back from that too early, then BOOM, he may be F'ing himself up longterm because of it. If you want evidence of this, by all means just google hamstring prognosis.For my own edification, can you point to an example of a RB that had a chronic hamstring injury that impacted their career? Speaking as a high school football coach, hamstrings are basically addressed with rest. Once the player realizes that it is a non issue. Just guessing but Lacy is prolly trying to push himself before the hammy is ready. It will not be an issue beyond the present time.I actually do put some stock into hamstring injuries. Of course it can be a freak thing and never pop up again. However, it can also be a red flag in that he will have a lot of future hamstring issues, which would be horrible for a RB.I worry about a very YOUNG guy getting a grade 2 hamstring injury. And since I have no idea if it was a freak thing or an indication or more to come, I have to reflect how I value him a bit differently because of it.Before Lacy was hurt I still would taken Blackmon over the #1 pick. I prefer Blackmon even a little more than I already did now.No, he cost the 1.01 overall start-up pick.Arian Foster didnt cost the 1.01 rookie pick.'32 Counter Pass said:This reminds of all the panic of Arian Foster's hamstring tear a couple years back.That didn't turn out to well for the naysayers either.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
I am not gonna get crazy and say I prefer Thomas over Lynch/White, but when you add morris to it, sure.
I would agree in 3 years you will clearly prefer a 29 year old Thomas to essentially the nothing that will become of Lynch/White, but in the meantime in a redraft sense for at least the nest 2 years the Lynch/White combo is easily better.
but...............if we are adding Morris to it. yes, Morris/Thomas IMO is better than Lynch/White.
It is very close redraft, close enough for me to not really have much of an opinion there, but for dynasty I say it's fairly clear to take Morris/Thomas
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JPeso
Footballguy
I most certainly prefer Thomas over Lynch/White in dynasty.
Phenix
Footballguy
Again since some are only reading the player, lets not forget 1.08 comes with Lynch and White.Thomas is a stud and yes it is dynasty. However, no Thomas did not do well before Manning got there, and Manning is gone after this year as he will be 38.
2012 94/1442/10 141 Targets with Manning
2011 32/551/4 69 Targets without Manning
2010 22/283/2 39 Targets without Manning
Studly before Manning got there is correct
I also said last year does not equate this year production, but everyone is on Thomas like his value is unmatched. Is it possible he never does what he did last year again? Morris? Please anyone who thinks Morris is better then Lynch should not even be in this convo. Lynch has a track record and a better team, Morris has done it one year. I have not seen any ranking where Morris is higher then Lynch.
Also, names do not win titles, production does, and I bettered my overall production regardless if its last year or not. You have to have some way to guage value over age and gut, because that does not win.... Production does. Oh and if you guage it of FBG rankings, well I won on that side too as White is ranked higher then Nicks and Thomas, lol.
Current Dyno WR FBG Rankings - http://subscribers.footballguys.com/apps/viewrankings.php?viewpos=wr&type=dynasty&howrecent=28
White 7 vs. Thomas 13
Current Dyno RB FBG Rankings - http://subscribers.footballguys.com/apps/viewrankings.php?viewpos=rb&type=dynasty&howrecent=28
Lynch 8 vs. Morris 12
So some seem to agree with me, not only that, add in 1.08 and I did some serious raping, according to others.
In my experience, the people trying to stay young are the ones always chasing a title.
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Donsmith753
Footballguy
The guy was coming back off a torn Achilles. The fact he's even playing is a miracle.
JPeso
Footballguy
Has little to do with "trying to stay young." I still do pretty well making decisions like like Thomas over Lynch/White. As I've responded to you before as well, I don't really care about ADP or other people's rankings. DT did fine before Manning when God, er.. Tebow was throwing him the ball. Anything before that is completely irrelevant due to his injuries as noted directly above.Again since some are only reading the player, lets not forget 1.08 comes with Lynch and White.Thomas is a stud and yes it is dynasty. However, no Thomas did not do well before Manning got there, and Manning is gone after this year as he will be 38.
2012 94/1442/10 141 Targets with Manning
2011 32/551/4 69 Targets without Manning
2010 22/283/2 39 Targets without Manning
Studly before Manning got there is correct
I also said last year does not equate this year production, but everyone is on Thomas like his value is unmatched. Is it possible he never does what he did last year again? Morris? Please anyone who thinks Morris is better then Lynch should not even be in this convo. Lynch has a track record and a better team, Morris has done it one year. I have not seen any ranking where Morris is higher then Lynch.
Also, names do not win titles, production does, and I bettered my overall production regardless if its last year or not. You have to have some way to guage value over age and gut, because that does not win.... Production does. Oh and if you guage it of FBG rankings, well I won on that side too as White is ranked higher then Nicks and Thomas, lol.
Current Dyno WR FBG Rankings - http://subscribers.footballguys.com/apps/viewrankings.php?viewpos=wr&type=dynasty&howrecent=28
White 7 vs. Thomas 13
Current Dyno RB FBG Rankings - http://subscribers.footballguys.com/apps/viewrankings.php?viewpos=rb&type=dynasty&howrecent=28
Lynch 8 vs. Morris 12
So some seem to agree with me, not only that, add in 1.08 and I did some serious raping, according to others.
In my experience, the people trying to stay young are the ones always chasing a title.
Phenix
Footballguy
As you see in the stats above, again, No Thomas did not do well before Manning.Has little to do with "trying to stay young." I still do pretty well making decisions like like Thomas over Lynch/White. As I've responded to you before as well, I don't really care about ADP or other people's rankings. DT did fine before Manning when God, er.. Tebow was throwing him the ball. Anything before that is completely irrelevant due to his injuries as noted directly above.Again since some are only reading the player, lets not forget 1.08 comes with Lynch and White.Thomas is a stud and yes it is dynasty. However, no Thomas did not do well before Manning got there, and Manning is gone after this year as he will be 38.
2012 94/1442/10 141 Targets with Manning
2011 32/551/4 69 Targets without Manning
2010 22/283/2 39 Targets without Manning
Studly before Manning got there is correct
I also said last year does not equate this year production, but everyone is on Thomas like his value is unmatched. Is it possible he never does what he did last year again? Morris? Please anyone who thinks Morris is better then Lynch should not even be in this convo. Lynch has a track record and a better team, Morris has done it one year. I have not seen any ranking where Morris is higher then Lynch.
Also, names do not win titles, production does, and I bettered my overall production regardless if its last year or not. You have to have some way to guage value over age and gut, because that does not win.... Production does. Oh and if you guage it of FBG rankings, well I won on that side too as White is ranked higher then Nicks and Thomas, lol.
Current Dyno WR FBG Rankings - http://subscribers.footballguys.com/apps/viewrankings.php?viewpos=wr&type=dynasty&howrecent=28
White 7 vs. Thomas 13
Current Dyno RB FBG Rankings - http://subscribers.footballguys.com/apps/viewrankings.php?viewpos=rb&type=dynasty&howrecent=28
Lynch 8 vs. Morris 12
So some seem to agree with me, not only that, add in 1.08 and I did some serious raping, according to others.
In my experience, the people trying to stay young are the ones always chasing a title.
Skeletore Eh
Footballguy
Since you've looked into your crystal ball and know for a fact manning is retiring after this season could you tell us when white is going to hang em up?Again since some are only reading the player, lets not forget 1.08 comes with Lynch and White.Thomas is a stud and yes it is dynasty. However, no Thomas did not do well before Manning got there, and Manning is gone after this year as he will be 38.
2012 94/1442/10 141 Targets with Manning
2011 32/551/4 69 Targets without Manning
2010 22/283/2 39 Targets without Manning
Studly before Manning got there is correct
I also said last year does not equate this year production, but everyone is on Thomas like his value is unmatched. Is it possible he never does what he did last year again? Morris? Please anyone who thinks Morris is better then Lynch should not even be in this convo. Lynch has a track record and a better team, Morris has done it one year. I have not seen any ranking where Morris is higher then Lynch.
Also, names do not win titles, production does, and I bettered my overall production regardless if its last year or not. You have to have some way to guage value over age and gut, because that does not win.... Production does. Oh and if you guage it of FBG rankings, well I won on that side too as White is ranked higher then Nicks and Thomas, lol.
Current Dyno WR FBG Rankings - http://subscribers.footballguys.com/apps/viewrankings.php?viewpos=wr&type=dynasty&howrecent=28
White 7 vs. Thomas 13
Current Dyno RB FBG Rankings - http://subscribers.footballguys.com/apps/viewrankings.php?viewpos=rb&type=dynasty&howrecent=28
Lynch 8 vs. Morris 12
So some seem to agree with me, not only that, add in 1.08 and I did some serious raping, according to others.
In my experience, the people trying to stay young are the ones always chasing a title.
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Phenix
Footballguy
Really thats the comment you come with, considering all of this is looking into the crystal ball.Since you've looked into your crystal ball and know for a fact manning is retiring after this season could you tell us when white is going to hang em up?Again since some are only reading the player, lets not forget 1.08 comes with Lynch and White.Thomas is a stud and yes it is dynasty. However, no Thomas did not do well before Manning got there, and Manning is gone after this year as he will be 38.
2012 94/1442/10 141 Targets with Manning
2011 32/551/4 69 Targets without Manning
2010 22/283/2 39 Targets without Manning
Studly before Manning got there is correct
I also said last year does not equate this year production, but everyone is on Thomas like his value is unmatched. Is it possible he never does what he did last year again? Morris? Please anyone who thinks Morris is better then Lynch should not even be in this convo. Lynch has a track record and a better team, Morris has done it one year. I have not seen any ranking where Morris is higher then Lynch.
Also, names do not win titles, production does, and I bettered my overall production regardless if its last year or not. You have to have some way to guage value over age and gut, because that does not win.... Production does. Oh and if you guage it of FBG rankings, well I won on that side too as White is ranked higher then Nicks and Thomas, lol.
Current Dyno WR FBG Rankings - http://subscribers.footballguys.com/apps/viewrankings.php?viewpos=wr&type=dynasty&howrecent=28
White 7 vs. Thomas 13
Current Dyno RB FBG Rankings - http://subscribers.footballguys.com/apps/viewrankings.php?viewpos=rb&type=dynasty&howrecent=28
Lynch 8 vs. Morris 12
So some seem to agree with me, not only that, add in 1.08 and I did some serious raping, according to others.
In my experience, the people trying to stay young are the ones always chasing a title.
Skeletore Eh
Footballguy
Well your just stating it as fact that manning is retiring after the season. Maybe I missed the announcement?Really thats the comment you come with, considering all of this is looking into the crystal ball.Since you've looked into your crystal ball and know for a fact manning is retiring after this season could you tell us when white is going to hang em up?Again since some are only reading the player, lets not forget 1.08 comes with Lynch and White.Thomas is a stud and yes it is dynasty. However, no Thomas did not do well before Manning got there, and Manning is gone after this year as he will be 38.
2012 94/1442/10 141 Targets with Manning
2011 32/551/4 69 Targets without Manning
2010 22/283/2 39 Targets without Manning
Studly before Manning got there is correct
I also said last year does not equate this year production, but everyone is on Thomas like his value is unmatched. Is it possible he never does what he did last year again? Morris? Please anyone who thinks Morris is better then Lynch should not even be in this convo. Lynch has a track record and a better team, Morris has done it one year. I have not seen any ranking where Morris is higher then Lynch.
Also, names do not win titles, production does, and I bettered my overall production regardless if its last year or not. You have to have some way to guage value over age and gut, because that does not win.... Production does. Oh and if you guage it of FBG rankings, well I won on that side too as White is ranked higher then Nicks and Thomas, lol.
Current Dyno WR FBG Rankings - http://subscribers.footballguys.com/apps/viewrankings.php?viewpos=wr&type=dynasty&howrecent=28
White 7 vs. Thomas 13
Current Dyno RB FBG Rankings - http://subscribers.footballguys.com/apps/viewrankings.php?viewpos=rb&type=dynasty&howrecent=28
Lynch 8 vs. Morris 12
So some seem to agree with me, not only that, add in 1.08 and I did some serious raping, according to others.
In my experience, the people trying to stay young are the ones always chasing a title.
But that was with Tebow, so it doesn't count...oh wait...
gianmarco
Footballguy
Look, your attitude that you know more than the rest of anyone else here is tiresome. If you want to post trades that you or others complete for reference, that's great. If someone comments about a side they like more and why, that's great too. If you want to respond to that, have at it, but why don't you tone it down a bit. I don't even have to see who posted to know it's a post you've written at this point. Give it a rest already.Really thats the comment you come with, considering all of this is looking into the crystal ball.Since you've looked into your crystal ball and know for a fact manning is retiring after this season could you tell us when white is going to hang em up?Again since some are only reading the player, lets not forget 1.08 comes with Lynch and White.Thomas is a stud and yes it is dynasty. However, no Thomas did not do well before Manning got there, and Manning is gone after this year as he will be 38.
2012 94/1442/10 141 Targets with Manning
2011 32/551/4 69 Targets without Manning
2010 22/283/2 39 Targets without Manning
Studly before Manning got there is correct
I also said last year does not equate this year production, but everyone is on Thomas like his value is unmatched. Is it possible he never does what he did last year again? Morris? Please anyone who thinks Morris is better then Lynch should not even be in this convo. Lynch has a track record and a better team, Morris has done it one year. I have not seen any ranking where Morris is higher then Lynch.
Also, names do not win titles, production does, and I bettered my overall production regardless if its last year or not. You have to have some way to guage value over age and gut, because that does not win.... Production does. Oh and if you guage it of FBG rankings, well I won on that side too as White is ranked higher then Nicks and Thomas, lol.
Current Dyno WR FBG Rankings - http://subscribers.f...ty&howrecent=28
White 7 vs. Thomas 13
Current Dyno RB FBG Rankings - http://subscribers.f...ty&howrecent=28
Lynch 8 vs. Morris 12
So some seem to agree with me, not only that, add in 1.08 and I did some serious raping, according to others.
In my experience, the people trying to stay young are the ones always chasing a title.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Thomas didn't play the first six games, then took three or four games to get up to full speed.Over the last seven games of the season though...
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Week 13 @ MIN 4 144 2Week 14 CHI 7 78 1Week 15 NWE 7 116 0Week 16 @ BUF 4 76 0Week 17 KAN 3 34 0Wild Card PIT 4 204 1Divisional @ NWE 6 93 0Totals 35 745 4
eaglesfan7
Footballguy
Not involved. 12 Team Ppr Start 1qb 2-3 rb 3-4 wr 6 pts all tds
Team A gave: Drew Brees, Michael Crabtree and the 1.06
Team B gave: RG3 and Doug Martin
Team A gave: Drew Brees, Michael Crabtree and the 1.06
Team B gave: RG3 and Doug Martin
Skeletore Eh
Footballguy
Oof. Remove rg3 and it's fair
One More Rep
Footballguy
RG3 and Martin
Phenix
Footballguy
Chill out with the tone it down crap because someone disagrees with you and doesnt say it all nice and stuff the way you would like.I'm not here to get your approval, I'm here to talk football.Look, your attitude that you know more than the rest of anyone else here is tiresome. If you want to post trades that you or others complete for reference, that's great. If someone comments about a side they like more and why, that's great too. If you want to respond to that, have at it, but why don't you tone it down a bit. I don't even have to see who posted to know it's a post you've written at this point. Give it a rest already.Really thats the comment you come with, considering all of this is looking into the crystal ball.Since you've looked into your crystal ball and know for a fact manning is retiring after this season could you tell us when white is going to hang em up?Again since some are only reading the player, lets not forget 1.08 comes with Lynch and White.Thomas is a stud and yes it is dynasty. However, no Thomas did not do well before Manning got there, and Manning is gone after this year as he will be 38.
2012 94/1442/10 141 Targets with Manning
2011 32/551/4 69 Targets without Manning
2010 22/283/2 39 Targets without Manning
Studly before Manning got there is correct
I also said last year does not equate this year production, but everyone is on Thomas like his value is unmatched. Is it possible he never does what he did last year again? Morris? Please anyone who thinks Morris is better then Lynch should not even be in this convo. Lynch has a track record and a better team, Morris has done it one year. I have not seen any ranking where Morris is higher then Lynch.
Also, names do not win titles, production does, and I bettered my overall production regardless if its last year or not. You have to have some way to guage value over age and gut, because that does not win.... Production does. Oh and if you guage it of FBG rankings, well I won on that side too as White is ranked higher then Nicks and Thomas, lol.
Current Dyno WR FBG Rankings - http://subscribers.f...ty&howrecent=28
White 7 vs. Thomas 13
Current Dyno RB FBG Rankings - http://subscribers.f...ty&howrecent=28
Lynch 8 vs. Morris 12
So some seem to agree with me, not only that, add in 1.08 and I did some serious raping, according to others.
In my experience, the people trying to stay young are the ones always chasing a title.
Also the fact I know more then you and most is besides the point.
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loose circuits
Footballguy
These pissing contests are ruining what was once a valuable thread
Warhogs
Footballguy
I'll take the New England RB group over Maclin and a couple of round 2 picks.
Mine is bigger than yoursChill out with the tone it down crap because someone disagrees with you and doesnt say it all nice and stuff the way you would like.I'm not here to get your approval, I'm here to talk football.Look, your attitude that you know more than the rest of anyone else here is tiresome. If you want to post trades that you or others complete for reference, that's great. If someone comments about a side they like more and why, that's great too. If you want to respond to that, have at it, but why don't you tone it down a bit. I don't even have to see who posted to know it's a post you've written at this point. Give it a rest already.Really thats the comment you come with, considering all of this is looking into the crystal ball.Since you've looked into your crystal ball and know for a fact manning is retiring after this season could you tell us when white is going to hang em up?Again since some are only reading the player, lets not forget 1.08 comes with Lynch and White.Thomas is a stud and yes it is dynasty. However, no Thomas did not do well before Manning got there, and Manning is gone after this year as he will be 38.
2012 94/1442/10 141 Targets with Manning
2011 32/551/4 69 Targets without Manning
2010 22/283/2 39 Targets without Manning
Studly before Manning got there is correct
I also said last year does not equate this year production, but everyone is on Thomas like his value is unmatched. Is it possible he never does what he did last year again? Morris? Please anyone who thinks Morris is better then Lynch should not even be in this convo. Lynch has a track record and a better team, Morris has done it one year. I have not seen any ranking where Morris is higher then Lynch.
Also, names do not win titles, production does, and I bettered my overall production regardless if its last year or not. You have to have some way to guage value over age and gut, because that does not win.... Production does. Oh and if you guage it of FBG rankings, well I won on that side too as White is ranked higher then Nicks and Thomas, lol.
Current Dyno WR FBG Rankings - http://subscribers.f...ty&howrecent=28
White 7 vs. Thomas 13
Current Dyno RB FBG Rankings - http://subscribers.f...ty&howrecent=28
Lynch 8 vs. Morris 12
So some seem to agree with me, not only that, add in 1.08 and I did some serious raping, according to others.
In my experience, the people trying to stay young are the ones always chasing a title.
Also the fact I know more then you and most is besides the point.
Skeletore Eh
Footballguy
PricelessChill out with the tone it down crap because someone disagrees with you and doesnt say it all nice and stuff the way you would like.I'm not here to get your approval, I'm here to talk football.Look, your attitude that you know more than the rest of anyone else here is tiresome. If you want to post trades that you or others complete for reference, that's great. If someone comments about a side they like more and why, that's great too. If you want to respond to that, have at it, but why don't you tone it down a bit. I don't even have to see who posted to know it's a post you've written at this point. Give it a rest already.Really thats the comment you come with, considering all of this is looking into the crystal ball.Since you've looked into your crystal ball and know for a fact manning is retiring after this season could you tell us when white is going to hang em up?Again since some are only reading the player, lets not forget 1.08 comes with Lynch and White.Thomas is a stud and yes it is dynasty. However, no Thomas did not do well before Manning got there, and Manning is gone after this year as he will be 38.
2012 94/1442/10 141 Targets with Manning
2011 32/551/4 69 Targets without Manning
2010 22/283/2 39 Targets without Manning
Studly before Manning got there is correct
I also said last year does not equate this year production, but everyone is on Thomas like his value is unmatched. Is it possible he never does what he did last year again? Morris? Please anyone who thinks Morris is better then Lynch should not even be in this convo. Lynch has a track record and a better team, Morris has done it one year. I have not seen any ranking where Morris is higher then Lynch.
Also, names do not win titles, production does, and I bettered my overall production regardless if its last year or not. You have to have some way to guage value over age and gut, because that does not win.... Production does. Oh and if you guage it of FBG rankings, well I won on that side too as White is ranked higher then Nicks and Thomas, lol.
Current Dyno WR FBG Rankings - http://subscribers.f...ty&howrecent=28
White 7 vs. Thomas 13
Current Dyno RB FBG Rankings - http://subscribers.f...ty&howrecent=28
Lynch 8 vs. Morris 12
So some seem to agree with me, not only that, add in 1.08 and I did some serious raping, according to others.
In my experience, the people trying to stay young are the ones always chasing a title.
Also the fact I know more then you and most is besides the point.
Banemorth
Footballguy
So back to trades:
I Give:
Year 2013 Draft Pick 1.10
Year 2013 Draft Pick 2.03
Year 2014 Round 1 Draft Pick
I Get:
Fairley, Nick DET DT
Year 2013 Draft Pick 1.02
Year 2013 Draft Pick 4.07
$25.00 in blind bidding
Full IDP with very balanced scoring. (Fairley scored 14PPG last year on average) The blind bidding cash is used for the RFA auction, tags, and BB Waivers. Very valueable. Since Fairley only has a year left on his deal I'll probably spend that cash on a transition tag next year.
I Give:
Year 2013 Draft Pick 1.10
Year 2013 Draft Pick 2.03
Year 2014 Round 1 Draft Pick
I Get:
Fairley, Nick DET DT
Year 2013 Draft Pick 1.02
Year 2013 Draft Pick 4.07
$25.00 in blind bidding
Full IDP with very balanced scoring. (Fairley scored 14PPG last year on average) The blind bidding cash is used for the RFA auction, tags, and BB Waivers. Very valueable. Since Fairley only has a year left on his deal I'll probably spend that cash on a transition tag next year.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
He's right. You're in the running for most insufferable Shark Pool poster right now. I know you don't care about that, but when that's how you're perceived it makes it difficult to just "talk football". Because its a distraction. So tone it down a notch at least as a strategy to better talk football, if that's what you're here for.Maybe take it to another thread, or actually contribute to this one. The attitude causes stupid tangents like this one.Chill out with the tone it down crap because someone disagrees with you and doesnt say it all nice and stuff the way you would like.I'm not here to get your approval, I'm here to talk football.Look, your attitude that you know more than the rest of anyone else here is tiresome. If you want to post trades that you or others complete for reference, that's great. If someone comments about a side they like more and why, that's great too. If you want to respond to that, have at it, but why don't you tone it down a bit. I don't even have to see who posted to know it's a post you've written at this point. Give it a rest already.Really thats the comment you come with, considering all of this is looking into the crystal ball.Since you've looked into your crystal ball and know for a fact manning is retiring after this season could you tell us when white is going to hang em up?Again since some are only reading the player, lets not forget 1.08 comes with Lynch and White.Thomas is a stud and yes it is dynasty. However, no Thomas did not do well before Manning got there, and Manning is gone after this year as he will be 38.
2012 94/1442/10 141 Targets with Manning
2011 32/551/4 69 Targets without Manning
2010 22/283/2 39 Targets without Manning
Studly before Manning got there is correct
I also said last year does not equate this year production, but everyone is on Thomas like his value is unmatched. Is it possible he never does what he did last year again? Morris? Please anyone who thinks Morris is better then Lynch should not even be in this convo. Lynch has a track record and a better team, Morris has done it one year. I have not seen any ranking where Morris is higher then Lynch.
Also, names do not win titles, production does, and I bettered my overall production regardless if its last year or not. You have to have some way to guage value over age and gut, because that does not win.... Production does. Oh and if you guage it of FBG rankings, well I won on that side too as White is ranked higher then Nicks and Thomas, lol.
Current Dyno WR FBG Rankings - http://subscribers.f...ty&howrecent=28
White 7 vs. Thomas 13
Current Dyno RB FBG Rankings - http://subscribers.f...ty&howrecent=28
Lynch 8 vs. Morris 12
So some seem to agree with me, not only that, add in 1.08 and I did some serious raping, according to others.
In my experience, the people trying to stay young are the ones always chasing a title.
Also the fact I know more then you and most is besides the point.
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How does this trade make sense? Unless the 2014 1st is guaranteed top 3, I don't see how this is even remotely close.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
Like this deal for you. Not familiar with the contract aspect, but from what I do know, again, looks really good for you.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
10 team start 2 QB. QQRRWWWTF
Gave: Isaiah Pead
Got: Christian Ponder
Obviously wouldn't have made this deal in a start 1 league, but any young starting QB is worth a gamble in this format.
Gave: Isaiah Pead
Got: Christian Ponder
Obviously wouldn't have made this deal in a start 1 league, but any young starting QB is worth a gamble in this format.
Banemorth
Footballguy
Not a Ponder believer but in a 2QB I can see why you did it. Especially in a 10 team.
Banemorth
Footballguy
This is a 24 team league (Two conferences) finished #1 in total points in mine (3rd overall.) One and done in the playoffs though so my pick is the 1.10.
Sorry, I meant that I don't think the trade is close. You give up the 1.10 and a 2014 1st (I assume yours, so it should be late) for the 2nd overall pick, Nick Fairley (I don't play IDP, but according to your stats, he's pretty good) and blind bidding cash. Not close at all IMO.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
I agree, and actually do like Pead a good deal. But you just don't get starting QBs for this price. Even guys like Carson Palmer are traded for 1st round draft picks during the season.
Rolling_akg
Footballguy
Roddy and 2.1 for nicks
Andrew74
Footballguy
RG3 and Martin definitely
