2013 Off Season Dynasty Trade Thread (for completed trades) (2 Viewers)

[msudaisy26]

We should start a thread for just dynasty start up picks that are traded and then post results at the end of the year to see how each team did. I know it is some work but we have some die hard people here that would do it. Put in what players were taken with that pick and you could see who got the better end of the deal, at least for the first year.

 

[TeamSnooki]

16 team IDP, 0.5 per carry, 1.5 ppr

Team A trades:

Hakeem Nicks

1.10

1.11

4.11 (59 overall)

Team B trades:

Denarius Moore

1.3

Their 2014 1st rd pick

 

[cstu]

16 team IDP, 0.5 per carry, 1.5 ppr

Team A trades:

Hakeem Nicks

1.10

1.11

4.11 (59 overall)

Team B trades:

Denarius Moore

1.3

Their 2014 1st rd pick

Looks like Nicks for the 1.3 to me.

 

[JustinHawkins]

12 team PPR dynasty league

Team A RECEIVED: Crabby, Jeffery, M. Bennett, Flynn

Team B RECEIVED: Gronk, Stephen Hill, Geno Smith

 

[ghostguy123]

We should start a thread for just dynasty start up picks that are traded and then post results at the end of the year to see how each team did. I know it is some work but we have some die hard people here that would do it. Put in what players were taken with that pick and you could see who got the better end of the deal, at least for the first year.

Well, thing is, the players taken at those spots are irrelevant to me. Unless we factor in who each of us would have taken.

If you deal pick 1 for two picks and you pick two busts, someone else makes the same trade and picks two studs, does it change how good the trade was?? I say now.

Evaluate the trade..............and then evaluate the picks. Two totally different things.

But yes.........100% agree, we need a thread for JUST start up picks trades, and even rookie pick trades could be in there I guess as long as it is just picks

 

[ghostguy123]

16 team IDP, 0.5 per carry, 1.5 ppr

Team A trades:

Hakeem Nicks

1.10

1.11

4.11 (59 overall)

Team B trades:

Denarius Moore

1.3

Their 2014 1st rd pick

Looks like Nicks for the 1.3 to me.

NIcks side by a lot, a LOT

 

[ghostguy123]

12 team PPR dynasty league

Team A RECEIVED: Crabby, Jeffery, M. Bennett, Flynn

Team B RECEIVED: Gronk, Stephen Hill, Geno Smith

Gronk, not close

 

[ConnSKINS26]

12 team PPR dynasty league

Team A RECEIVED: Crabby, Jeffery, M. Bennett, Flynn

Team B RECEIVED: Gronk, Stephen Hill, Geno Smith

Gronk, not close

Gotta agree.

 

[kutta]

12 team PPR dynasty league

Team A RECEIVED: Crabby, Jeffery, M. Bennett, Flynn

Team B RECEIVED: Gronk, Stephen Hill, Geno Smith

Gronk, not close

Gotta agree.

Agree. It's basically Crabtree for Gronk. I would barely roster any of the other players.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

12 team PPR dynasty league

Team A RECEIVED: Crabby, Jeffery, M. Bennett, Flynn

Team B RECEIVED: Gronk, Stephen Hill, Geno Smith

Gronk, not close

Gotta agree.

Agree. It's basically Crabtree for Gronk. I would barely roster any of the other players.

Lets not go that far.

 

[ghostguy123]

Agree. It's basically Crabtree for Gronk. I would barely roster any of the other players.

Well, I definitely like Jefferey more than the rest of the other side.........but Crabtree plus a little for Gronk is silly.

 

[FUBAR]

12 team PPR - 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 W/R/T flex

Stevan Ridley

2014 2nd (likely late)

Marques Colston

Mike Williams (TB)

Didn't like this one for you really because it hurts your RB depth. Your starters are Morris and Bush, both of which are risky IMO. You improved your team a lot with the Morris and DT trades, but this might have been one trade too many to get 2 WRs without a lot of resale value. You're in a position to power move and go for the throat but this was more of a hedge and back down to play it safe, if that makes any sense.

True on current resale value being minimal but i like both receivers quite a bit and both are on my buy list.

Seems like a decent trade unless backs aware worth a LOT more than receivers in this league.

 

[FUBAR]

12 team PPR - 2 RB, 3 WR, 1 W/R/T flex

Stevan Ridley

2014 2nd (likely late)

Marques Colston

Mike Williams (TB)

Didn't like this one for you really because it hurts your RB depth. Your starters are Morris and Bush, both of which are risky IMO. You improved your team a lot with the Morris and DT trades, but this might have been one trade too many to get 2 WRs without a lot of resale value. You're in a position to power move and go for the throat but this was more of a hedge and back down to play it safe, if that makes any sense.

True on current resale value being minimal but i like both receivers quite a bit and both are on my buy list.

Seems like a decent trade unless backs are worth a LOT more than receivers in this league.

 

[ghostguy123]

12 team PPR (FFPC)

Aaron Rodgers

for

Drew Brees

Jeremy Maclin

 

[cdubz]

12 team PPR (FFPC)

Aaron Rodgers

for

Drew Brees

Jeremy Maclin

Definitely depends on team situation, but slight preference for Rodgers.

 

[ghostguy123]

12 team PPR (FFPC)

Aaron Rodgers

for

Drew Brees

Jeremy Maclin

Definitely depends on team situation, but slight preference for Rodgers.

Our #4 and #5 WRs are shorts and britt.He needed a WR.

So we made the.move to get rodgers, good for both teams as ling as maclin at least does something.

Made a lot of sense for us to get more longevity of a top QB.

 

[thriftyrocker]

Need a much better WR than Maclin.

 

[Instinctive]

Need a much better WR than Maclin.

That one is easily Rodgers for me all day, every day, in ANY team situation and ANY scoring system I can think of.

 

[JonB86]

12 team 5 keeper league, where you can only keep 1 from each position; my keepers

Russell Wilson

Charles

Dez

Gronk

AZ Def (it's them or a kicker)

I had Reggie Bush going spare and another guy had no-one worth talking about at RB

Gave Reggie and Pick 4.03

for

Pick 2.12

Not sure if it's a good deal or not, I pick at 1.03 and it's a non-serpentine draft, so I have 1.03, 2.03, 2.12, 3.03 now!

 

[Dez]

12 team PPR (FFPC)

Aaron Rodgers

for

Drew Brees

Jeremy Maclin

Back a few weeks ago we traded away 5 1st round picks a couple prospects and landed Brees, Murray, Ridley, Pitta and Jennings.

Many here did not like that trade because Brees was old, Murray was injury prone, Ridley coming off concussion and Jennings went to Minnesota.

Well the beauty of trading is what my teammate always likes to say is your last trade doesn't mean that is your only trade.

We have now shipped old man Brees and turned him into Rodgers, we have shipped Jennings and turned him into Shorts.

So now we have what many consider the #1 overall QB in the game who is still only like 29 years old. We turned an old Jennings into a young Shorts.

So how many 1sts would you have had to give up just to land Rodgers in a league ? Last year Rodgers was going in many startups at the 1.1 I even was in 2 startups last year where people traded up to get him.

Last year in one league a guy traded his 6/19+future 1st to get 1/24 and he took Rodgers at the 1 spot.

Now if we can move Ridley or Murray for RB's we like more at a small price then that trade looks like a huge win. Even if we don't we have made major improvement for our team for the future.

Seriously how many 1st would it take to pry Rodgers away from his owner in a league ? We just got him and 4 other guys for basically 5 1st.

 

[Ernol]

What was the original trade, and were those 1sts 2014 1sts? If 2013, what picks were they?

 

[Dez]

What was the original trade, and were those 1sts 2014 1sts? If 2013, what picks were they?

We had Hernandez and decided to blow up the team as we did not have a QB, only had 1 RB and had no TE with which to compete with.

We took that 1 RB Forte and turned him into 3 future 2014 1st and K-Allen. So 3 of the 1st plus Allen are really Forte in this deal below.

--- Wyverns  ---

Traded Away:

     Ben Roethlisberger (PIT)

     Darrius Heyward-Bey (IND)

     Aaron Dobson (NWE)

     Keenan Allen (SDG)

    2014 Draft, Rnd 1 (from Big Baller)

    2014 Draft, Rnd 1 (from Shock and Awe)

    2014 Draft, Rnd 1

    2014 Draft, Rnd 1 (from Crunch Berries)

    2014 Draft, Rnd 1 (from Thunder Thrashers)

Acquired:

     Drew Brees (NOR)

     Greg Jennings (MIN)

     Dennis Pitta (BAL)

     DeMarco Murray (DAL)

     Stevan Ridley (NWE)

    2014 Draft, Rnd 2

 

[Ernol]

FFPC Dynasty startup:

Team A

1.2

14.11

20.11

2014 3rd

Team B

3.11

4.2

12.2

2014 1st

Which side do you like?

I would normally prefer the side getting the 3/4 + 1st. In fact, I myself traded the 1.3 for the 3.1/4.12 and a 1st in a DFWC startup earlier this year, and that worked out well for me (ended up with 11 1sts during the startup draft).

However, if Wayne8348 is Wayne Ellis and if he has Team A, then he'll probably win this league and ultimately win this trade.

 

[Ernol]

What was the original trade, and were those 1sts 2014 1sts? If 2013, what picks were they?

We had Hernandez and decided to blow up the team as we did not have a QB, only had 1 RB and had no TE with which to compete with.

We took that 1 RB Forte and turned him into 3 future 2014 1st and K-Allen. So 3 of the 1st plus Allen are really Forte in this deal below.

--- Wyverns ---

Traded Away:

     Ben Roethlisberger (PIT)

     Darrius Heyward-Bey (IND)

     Aaron Dobson (NWE)

     Keenan Allen (SDG)

    2014 Draft, Rnd 1 (from Big Baller)

    2014 Draft, Rnd 1 (from Shock and Awe)

    2014 Draft, Rnd 1

    2014 Draft, Rnd 1 (from Crunch Berries)

    2014 Draft, Rnd 1 (from Thunder Thrashers)

Acquired:

     Drew Brees (NOR)

     Greg Jennings (MIN)

     Dennis Pitta (BAL)

     DeMarco Murray (DAL)

     Stevan Ridley (NWE)

    2014 Draft, Rnd 2

Close to even I would say, just looking at this trade alone. I personally would not have traded 5 1sts and Allen for this collection of players, but if its an active league, you can get similar value back by trading off the pieces. All the players except Jennings run for good value in the FFPC. If you want 1sts though, you probably won't be able to trade these players for 5 new 1sts since 5 of them just went to a team that doesn't want these players anymore and is rebuilding.

Now the fact that you were able to land Rodgers for basically Brees and Jennings (equating Maclin with Shorts although I prefer Maclin) does swing things in your favor from a value standpoint. Still, if I lost Hernandez (and I have in too many leagues) and I were looking to blow things up, I still might rather have the 1sts unless you can turn Rodgers and the other players into equally enticing players (or unless you can win this year with these new players).

 

[ghostguy123]

Well, our lineup at the moment is

Rodgers

Murray

Ridley

Julio

Marshall

Harvin

Pitta

Then a choice of Mathews, shorts, britt, Owen daniels.

Obviously there are better lineups out there in fantasy land, but this lineup is a playoff lineup with youth, and anything can happen in the playoffs.

 

[Dez]

What was the original trade, and were those 1sts 2014 1sts? If 2013, what picks were they?

We had Hernandez and decided to blow up the team as we did not have a QB, only had 1 RB and had no TE with which to compete with.

We took that 1 RB Forte and turned him into 3 future 2014 1st and K-Allen. So 3 of the 1st plus Allen are really Forte in this deal below.

--- Wyverns ---

Traded Away:

     Ben Roethlisberger (PIT)

     Darrius Heyward-Bey (IND)

     Aaron Dobson (NWE)

     Keenan Allen (SDG)

    2014 Draft, Rnd 1 (from Big Baller)

    2014 Draft, Rnd 1 (from Shock and Awe)

    2014 Draft, Rnd 1

    2014 Draft, Rnd 1 (from Crunch Berries)

    2014 Draft, Rnd 1 (from Thunder Thrashers)

Acquired:

     Drew Brees (NOR)

     Greg Jennings (MIN)

     Dennis Pitta (BAL)

     DeMarco Murray (DAL)

     Stevan Ridley (NWE)

    2014 Draft, Rnd 2

Close to even I would say, just looking at this trade alone. I personally would not have traded 5 1sts and Allen for this collection of players, but if its an active league, you can get similar value back by trading off the pieces. All the players except Jennings run for good value in the FFPC. If you want 1sts though, you probably won't be able to trade these players for 5 new 1sts since 5 of them just went to a team that doesn't want these players anymore and is rebuilding.

Now the fact that you were able to land Rodgers for basically Brees and Jennings (equating Maclin with Shorts although I prefer Maclin) does swing things in your favor from a value standpoint. Still, if I lost Hernandez (and I have in too many leagues) and I were looking to blow things up, I still might rather have the 1sts unless you can turn Rodgers and the other players into equally enticing players (or unless you can win this year with these new players).

What I meant was when we were sitting on 5 1st round picks we were blowing up the team to build for the future but then when we were offered the 5 1st trade for those players we changed our mind and went back into win now mode. We are no longer blowing up the team to obtain 1st for the future now that we actually have players we can compete this year with.

 

[buck naked]

Very cheap for the 1.02. You should be able to get a 2/3 como, rather than late 3/early 4+.
A 2 and a 3 along with a future first would be tough. I think the pick 38 and a future first could move him into the 2nd if he wanted

In most of my drafts, the guy moving a top 3 pick gets a 2/3. I don't think I have seen a top 3 pick moved for this little, myself. Not that it doesn't happen, just hasn't in my drafts.

The late 3/4 range isn't enough for me to pass up one of the top 2 guys, hopefully Calvin. In that range you're picking between, for the most part, unproven potential, older production, or risk/limited upside. Is Ridley/V.Jackson/random 1st enough for Calvin or Green? Or Tavon/Murray 1st? In my opinion, no.

Trading for a 2/3, there is at least hope for an elite (or near elite) player still in his prime. Graham, Harvin, Gronk, Marshall, et cetera.

My partner and I were the ones who traded up into the 1.2 pick. We took Jimmy Graham at 1.2. This is a FFPC dynasty league, so we specifically traded up to take him. Considering the TE pool, with Hernandez gone and Gronk's possible health issues, Graham's value is worth it. I know Gianmarco wanted him at pick #3 behind us. We considered Calvin also, but TE is so valuable in these leagues that it was worth it.

Plus, because we own 1.11 and 2.02 also, we can still address and fill the "primary" positions with studs.

The perceived value of this trade is only as good as what we and the other team do from here. If we miss on our draft picks, the gain in this trade is lost. It all comes down to good opinions and picks.

 

[Dez]

12 team PPR (1.25 TE) start 8 RB-WR-TE's (2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 2 Flex)

Close trade in value I think both sides

[SIZE=medium]Vereen, Shane NEP RB
Cruz, Victor NYG WR[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]For[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]Year 2013 Draft Pick 1.01
Year 2013 Draft Pick 2.05
Year 2013 Draft Pick 2.12[/SIZE]

 

[kutta]

12 team PPR (1.25 TE) start 8 RB-WR-TE's (2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 2 Flex)

Close trade in value I think both sides

[SIZE=medium]Vereen, Shane NEP RB[/SIZE]

Cruz, Victor NYG WR

[SIZE=medium]For[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]Year 2013 Draft Pick 1.01[/SIZE]

Year 2013 Draft Pick 2.05

Year 2013 Draft Pick 2.12

I don't think it's close at all. I'll take Cruz and Vereen easily.

 

[johnb]

12 team PPR (1.25 TE) start 8 RB-WR-TE's (2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 2 Flex)

Close trade in value I think both sides

Vereen, Shane NEP RB

Cruz, Victor NYG WR

For

Year 2013 Draft Pick 1.01

Year 2013 Draft Pick 2.05

Year 2013 Draft Pick 2.12

I don't think it's close at all. I'll take Cruz and Vereen easily.

Agreed. Awful deal. Pieces like Cruz in a league like that are worth more than 3 rookies even with the 1.1. Throw in Vereen and its really ugly.

 

[ghostguy123]

12 team PPR (1.25 TE) start 8 RB-WR-TE's (2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 2 Flex)

Close trade in value I think both sides

Vereen, Shane NEP RB

Cruz, Victor NYG WR

For

Year 2013 Draft Pick 1.01

Year 2013 Draft Pick 2.05

Year 2013 Draft Pick 2.12

I don't think it's close at all. I'll take Cruz and Vereen easily.

Agreed. Awful deal. Pieces like Cruz in a league like that are worth more than 3 rookies even with the 1.1. Throw in Vereen and its really ugly.

I will take Cruz side also, but i can't all this "ugly" at all.

Pick 1 this year isnt what it generally is, but it should also be noted in this league that the rookie draft is in late august once we see the rookies in some preseason games, which could help a guy stand out pretty easily.

Some of the guys in the league have threatened to quit over this deal. Amazing.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Interesting take considering in many startups this year both Cruz and the 1st rookie off the board usually go in the 3rd round.

Start-up ADP is useful for a lot of things, but it can really be a terrible judge of value when it comes to trades in existing dynasty leagues. You can take ADP info from the exact week of the trade in question, from the exact, specific league size/format/scoring, and still get some really weird trade "valuations" when you compare the deal to real-life, up-to-the-minute ADP.

 

[kutta]

Interesting take considering in many startups this year both Cruz and the 1st rookie off the board usually go in the 3rd round.

Don't you think if Victor Cruz was a FA in your league that he would be the no-brainer pick at 1.01?

 

[ghostguy123]

Interesting take considering in many startups this year both Cruz and the 1st rookie off the board usually go in the 3rd round.

Don't you think if Victor Cruz was a FA in your league that he would be the no-brainer pick at 1.01?

Obviously not, lol.

I will take Cruz pick #1, but I already know plenty of high stakes players who prefer pick 1 to cruz.

 

[ghostguy123]

Interesting take considering in many startups this year both Cruz and the 1st rookie off the board usually go in the 3rd round.

Start-up ADP is useful for a lot of things, but it can really be a terrible judge of value when it comes to trades in existing dynasty leagues. You can take ADP info from the exact week of the trade in question, from the exact, specific league size/format/scoring, and still get some really weird trade "valuations" when you compare the deal to real-life, up-to-the-minute ADP.

It can be useful for a straight up deal like this (pretty much straight up, I see this as two separate deals, Vereen going for two 2nds)

The guy trading for pick 1 needs a RB badly also, so thats a factor.

But if two guys go VERY close together in startups, sometimes with the first rookie going before Cruz, it's hard to say Cruz is worth "a lot" more, or that he is obviously worth more.

I mean, I think he is, but I can't fault the other guy for dealing Cruz for pick 1.

 

[johnb]

It's not the worst deal ever. I've seen worse. But its bad. Team need and personal values always need to be gauged and taken into account but in a vacuum as presented, the Cruz owner could've gotten more.

 

[ghostguy123]

People underestimate 2nd and 3rd round rookie picks. So many of the current great players people would love on their team have come from the 2nd and 3rd rounds. Lamar Miller hype train is in full force was a late 2nd in most drafts last year. Gordon hype train sky high and was a 2nd. Morris turned into a top 10 RB was from my draft's 2nd round. Just to name a few over the years from my own team B-Marshall, V-Jackson, Hernandez, A-Foster!!!, J-Charles, A-Bradshaw, Steve Smith Car and those are just players that I drafted myself!!! If your league has a taxi squad for 2nd-7th round picks then those picks are worth a lot more than you think. Many players have been busts too I get that but a lot of studs come from those rounds and those picks count for a decent amount.

I think the 2nd rounders should be taken out of the discussion. I would say Vereen makes up for both 2nds, and then the deal was Cruz for pick 1.

It isnt like you gave pick 1 and two 2nds for just Cruz.

Pick 1 for Cruz is the debate. Every seems to think cruz is light years ahead. I agree I easily like Cruz over ANY rookie this year, but I also ralize that is just my personal preference and that tons of people like guys like Ball and Austin

 

[Ernol]

Interesting take considering in many startups this year both Cruz and the 1st rookie off the board usually go in the 3rd round.

1.01 for me

 

[bmsarvis]

Its not a bad trade IF the side gettin the picks drafts properly. Im down on vereen tho. Also if the guy that got the picks dont have much else on his roster the draft picks will help him more than cruz amd vereen in three four years

 

[Coeur de Lion]

Victor Cruz has averaged 1300 / 9.5 the past two years. If Tavon Austin hits, and if the Rams can turn things around, he might be as good as Victor Cruz. Valuing Austin over Cruz doesn't make too much sense IMO. Terrible trade for the guy giving up Cruz and Vereen, and I'm not a big Vereen fan at all.

Evidently even the worst skill position class in recent history can't slow down the rookie fever...

 

[ghostguy123]

Victor Cruz has averaged 1300 / 9.5 the past two years. If Tavon Austin hits, and if the Rams can turn things around, he might be as good as Victor Cruz. Valuing Austin over Cruz doesn't make too much sense IMO. Terrible trade for the guy giving up Cruz and Vereen, and I'm not a big Vereen fan at all.

Evidently even the worst skill position class in recent history can't slow down the rookie fever...

He will be drafting a RB likely. And he will get to see which RBs looks the best in preseason also. Bernard is my favorite, and can easily pass BJGE by week 2 of preseason.

Ball and Bell also plenty of upside there.

Again, I take Cruz over pick 1, but I cant fault someone doing it different.

It;s like preferring pepsi over coke. I like coke

 

[Coeur de Lion]

Taking a 2nd round RB, when realistically probably 3 / 4 will be worthless in fantasy, makes it much worse, not better.

 

[johnb]

To me, the worth or hit rate is irrelevant. If the person likes 2nds, then the point is they could've or should've gotten more of them while giving up Cruz+. That's the argument, not pointing out the person might end up with the next Brandon Marshall. If picks are their approach, they should've gotten more value and therefore increased their chances at getting the next Brandon Marshall.

 

[JonB86]

Gotta say I'm with the Cruz side, no way I deal Cruz for 1.01, I wouldn't deal him for all 3 picks and then throwing in Vereen on top of him? I know it's all about people's own opinions of the value of their players but I think he got pretty bad value for Cruz, especially as he's signed his contract now!

 

[ghostguy123]

12 team PPR (FFPC)

Ray Rice

Bernard Pierce

for

Trent Richardson

2014 3rd

 

[msudaisy26]

12 team PPR (1.25 TE) start 8 RB-WR-TE's (2 RB, 3 WR, 1 TE, 2 Flex)

Close trade in value I think both sides

Vereen, Shane NEP RB

Cruz, Victor NYG WR

For

Year 2013 Draft Pick 1.01

Year 2013 Draft Pick 2.05

Year 2013 Draft Pick 2.12

You could make all of those picks top 10 this year and I would take Cruz side

 

[Sitch]

12 team PPR:

I traded DX for Broyles

I'm not high on DX at all, and wanted to get something of value before his knees go out again (granted, Broyles is not the picture of health either) and SD goes to a shorter, quicker passing game which negates DX's strengths. I may have overpaid a bit for Broyles, but really think he's going to bust out this year in that offense.

 

[kutta]

Team A gave 1.03

Team B gave Colston and Ivory

 

[Instinctive]

12 Team PPR 2 RB 3 WR 1 Flex

DeAngelo Williams

for

Brian Hartline

 

[kwille]

Team A gave 1.03

Team B gave Colston and Ivory

I'll take the players here.