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2013 Off Season Dynasty Trade Thread (for completed trades) (3 Viewers)
- Thread starter squistion
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Blockbuster just went down in a league of mine. I'm not involved. 10 team, start 1/2/3/1 no flex. Only really interesting notes are that it's very yardage heavy (1 point per 10 yards passing, 1 per 5 yards rushing/receiving), and it's a very deep league, so 31 out of 32 defenses are rostered and you'll actually see quality defenses have some (marginal) trade value.
Team A gives:
Russell Wilson
C.J. Spiller
2nd round pick (19th overall)
2nd round pick (20th overall)
Team B gives:
Matt Schaub
Arian Foster
Frank Gore
Alshon Jeffery
Stevie Johnson
Atlanta Falcons D/ST
The sign of a good trade is that it takes me a while to decide which side I preferred, and this was definitely a good trade. In the end, though, I think I'd rather have the Wilson/Spiller side.
Team A gives:
Russell Wilson
C.J. Spiller
2nd round pick (19th overall)
2nd round pick (20th overall)
Team B gives:
Matt Schaub
Arian Foster
Frank Gore
Alshon Jeffery
Stevie Johnson
Atlanta Falcons D/ST
The sign of a good trade is that it takes me a while to decide which side I preferred, and this was definitely a good trade. In the end, though, I think I'd rather have the Wilson/Spiller side.
doubletrouble
Footballguy
16 team, ppr
J. Thomas TE (Den) and B. Brown RB
for
C. Fleener TE and 2014 1st (2-8)
J. Thomas TE (Den) and B. Brown RB
for
C. Fleener TE and 2014 1st (2-8)
lardonastick
Footballguy
Team A gives:
Joique Bell
Team B gives:
2014 2nd Round (late)
Joique Bell
Team B gives:
2014 2nd Round (late)
Papa Georgio
Footballguy
Was not a part of this one and I hate posting it.
Team A gives
Roddy White and 2.11
Team B gives
2.4
Team A gives
Roddy White and 2.11
Team B gives
2.4
all data points are germane, not involved in any of them
12 team ppr, start 2 RB/3WR/TE/Flex (R/W/T)
24 Devy players on rosters
DRich/Stacy
for
Ivory/Devy WR Coleman/2014 1st (which is like 2nd)
Luck
for
Stafford/D Moore/Sudfeld
Rudolph
for
Fleener and Patterson
Personally think only the first trade was "even"
12 team ppr, start 2 RB/3WR/TE/Flex (R/W/T)
24 Devy players on rosters
DRich/Stacy
for
Ivory/Devy WR Coleman/2014 1st (which is like 2nd)
Luck
for
Stafford/D Moore/Sudfeld
Rudolph
for
Fleener and Patterson
Personally think only the first trade was "even"
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
14 team PPR, not involved:
Team A:
Dez Bryant
Team B:
Hakeem Nicks
Kenny Britt
Talk about taking on all the risk.
Team A:
Dez Bryant
Team B:
Hakeem Nicks
Kenny Britt
Talk about taking on all the risk.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
Is it the 1.04, or a 2014 pick you predict to be in that range?BearsFan4Life said:
BearsFan4Life
Footballguy
It is a 2014 Pick that will be between 1.01-1.04 in my opinion ...Freeman, DRich, ABrown, MicFloyd, Little, Pettigrew are his starters and he did lose LBell for awhile and Maclin for the season so I am pretty positive it will be a top pick
3 hour lunch
Footballguy
cstu
Footballguy
Ridiculous. Even worse it's in next year's draft which should be stronger at the top. Guys like that should be kicked out of the league.
garlicduck
Footballguy
12 Team PPR
Gave up:
Lynch, Marshawn SEA RB
Turbin, Robert SEA R
Got:
McFadden, Darren OAK RB
Murray, Latavius OAK RB
Allen, Keenan SDC WR
Year 2014 Round 2 Draft Pick from Big Boy
I'm in a bit of a rebuild and trying to get younger
Gave up:
Lynch, Marshawn SEA RB
Turbin, Robert SEA R
Got:
McFadden, Darren OAK RB
Murray, Latavius OAK RB
Allen, Keenan SDC WR
Year 2014 Round 2 Draft Pick from Big Boy
I'm in a bit of a rebuild and trying to get younger
Papa Georgio
Footballguy
I hated it for the guy trading away White. I think what happened is that he had made several decent offers for White but for one reason or another no one took them. He then started to think White has lost value. This type trade makes you mad at both sides.
Ridiculous and kicked out of the league? Wow.
I can understand having a strong opinion one way, but nothing about this deal looks like collusion or anything else that warrants ejection from the league. I have no problem with a deal like this. Two RBs who aren't studs, but still have a shot of being useful as starters some weeks and 2 second rounders. I get that the top 4 pick has a good shot at being a stud player, but how many times does that theory fail?
I've made moves like this to compete now and I imagine that's what happened here. Looking back at 2011 just as an example, he could be getting "stuck" with Colin Kapernick and DeMarco Murray in the 2nd round instead of Mark Ingram or Ryan Williams or Mikel Leshoure or Jonathan Baldwin at 4 overall. I know it doesn't always work like that, but you never know. I think the trade looks legit.
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Ron_Mexico
I Love Doggies
Standard Dynasty
Gave:
DeMarco Murray
Two 3rds 2014
Got
Tavon Austin
2014 1st (mid?)
2014 2nd
.
Gave:
DeMarco Murray
Two 3rds 2014
Got
Tavon Austin
2014 1st (mid?)
2014 2nd
.
dboysrock94
Footballguy
standard scoring start 1qb, 2rb, 2wr/te, 2 flex rb/wr/te, 1dst, ik
Roster: Romo, Kaepernick, palmer
RB- MJD, J. Charles, Shady, vick ballard, B. Brown
WR- Fitz, Britt, TY, S. hill, Floyd cardinals, s. smith panthers, M.Williams, Edelman, Little,
TE- Gonzo, Olsen, allen
K-Bullock
DST-49ers
Ill start off by saying I feel this team will finish high and thats why im making this move.
Giving up Kap, TY, 2013 1.7,2.6 2014 1st
Receiving T-Richardson, OBGYN
Roster: Romo, Kaepernick, palmer
RB- MJD, J. Charles, Shady, vick ballard, B. Brown
WR- Fitz, Britt, TY, S. hill, Floyd cardinals, s. smith panthers, M.Williams, Edelman, Little,
TE- Gonzo, Olsen, allen
K-Bullock
DST-49ers
Ill start off by saying I feel this team will finish high and thats why im making this move.
Giving up Kap, TY, 2013 1.7,2.6 2014 1st
Receiving T-Richardson, OBGYN
Concept Coop
Footballguy
I honestly think it could pay off. Hillman is likely the week 1 starter in an offensive machine that made Knowshon Moreno an RB1. Hillman's 21 (or 22?) and has some potential.cstu said:
I wouldn't have made the deal, but Hillman only needs to be a dynasty RB2 this time next year for this deal to have gone the other way. At 21/22 years old in this offense - it could happen.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
14 tm, (0.75/1/1.25) PPR, QRRWWWTF, Devy
I gave:
Gio
M.Lewis
I got:
L.Bell
C.Fleener
2nd (mid-late?)
Major rebuilding project, so I won't miss the points for the 3-8 weeks Le'Veon is out. Re-upping my Fleener investement(s), after a dip in value.
I gave:
Gio
M.Lewis
I got:
L.Bell
C.Fleener
2nd (mid-late?)
Major rebuilding project, so I won't miss the points for the 3-8 weeks Le'Veon is out. Re-upping my Fleener investement(s), after a dip in value.
I don't mind it actually. Not sure I'd pull the trigger on it but I think it's a relatively fair trade and could easily swing the other way if Nicks/Britt stay on the field.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
I agree with this. This is a trade made by someone that likes to gamble, if they hit then it is a monster win for them
Concept Coop
Footballguy
cstu
Footballguy
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
I personally would take Dez, but this is going to come down to where Nicks and Britt end up in FA next year. Nicks in Indy and Britt in NE or something would make this a massive win for the guy moving Dez. Dez is the best player in this deal, but Nicks and Britt are also damn talented themselves.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
JustinHawkins
Footballguy
PPR dynasty (I wasn't involved)
Team A got: Bell
Team B got: Pierce
Team A got: Bell
Team B got: Pierce
Plenty of red flags on both sides of that equation.ConnSKINS26 said:
cstu
Footballguy
Lott's Fingertip
Footballguy
10 team, 1/2 ppr for WR/TE only. Start QRRWWT + flex. Max 5 year contracts.
BF receives D.Wilson (4 yrs), A.Brown (1 yr)
ITT receives J.Gordon (5 yrs), C.Givens (5 yrs), S.Vereen (5 yrs)
Thoughts?
BF receives D.Wilson (4 yrs), A.Brown (1 yr)
ITT receives J.Gordon (5 yrs), C.Givens (5 yrs), S.Vereen (5 yrs)
Thoughts?
JustinHawkins
Footballguy
Mixed feelings about this trade I just made. Honest thoughts? 12 team PPR dynasty
I gave: Foster, Stafford, Locker
I got: Forte, M. Bush, RG3, Cutler
Even though I am a contender I was stressing over Foster's wear and tear and back issues. I am also a Skins fan so I have a bit of a crush on RG3, but felt I should upgrade my backup QB because of his knee. Did I give away Foster to cheap or solid trade?
Update Roster:
RG3, Cutler, Manuel
Martin, Morris, Forte, DeAngelo, Stewart, M. Bush
Calvin, Julio, Cobb, Garcon, Da'Rick Rodgers, Avery, Hawkins
Gonzo, Eifert
Seahawks, Packers
I gave: Foster, Stafford, Locker
I got: Forte, M. Bush, RG3, Cutler
Even though I am a contender I was stressing over Foster's wear and tear and back issues. I am also a Skins fan so I have a bit of a crush on RG3, but felt I should upgrade my backup QB because of his knee. Did I give away Foster to cheap or solid trade?
Update Roster:
RG3, Cutler, Manuel
Martin, Morris, Forte, DeAngelo, Stewart, M. Bush
Calvin, Julio, Cobb, Garcon, Da'Rick Rodgers, Avery, Hawkins
Gonzo, Eifert
Seahawks, Packers
opensourcebeer
Footballguy
Team A gave: Randal Cobb, Tyler Eifert
Team B gave: Jimmy Graham, Andre Brown
Team A is also the David Wilson owner.
12 team dynasty, PPR, best ball format
Team B gave: Jimmy Graham, Andre Brown
Team A is also the David Wilson owner.
12 team dynasty, PPR, best ball format
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NDyse10
Footballguy
Team A Gave:
Marshawn Lynch
Larry Fitzgerald
2014 1st Round Pick
#13 overall this year
Team B Gave:
Jamaal Charles
Mike Wallace
#7 overall this year
#23 overall this year
#40 overall this year
Our league is a contract dynasty league so most of the people in the draft are rookies. There are some vets and other people not kept by teams, but never a top flight dynasty player.
Marshawn Lynch
Larry Fitzgerald
2014 1st Round Pick
#13 overall this year
Team B Gave:
Jamaal Charles
Mike Wallace
#7 overall this year
#23 overall this year
#40 overall this year
Our league is a contract dynasty league so most of the people in the draft are rookies. There are some vets and other people not kept by teams, but never a top flight dynasty player.
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Tau837
Footballguy
The team getting Wilson/Spiller wins in a landslide IMO, and it took me about 10 seconds to decide.
Tau837
Footballguy
ghostguy123
Footballguy
They already had the monster win with Dez. So you trade a winning hand for a potential winning hand?? Nah. Dez easy here, and I like Britt as much as anyone.
Skeletore Eh
Footballguy
How about these two
Fleener for Matt prater
Vick for Edelman
Same team gave up fleener and vick
Fleener for Matt prater
Vick for Edelman
Same team gave up fleener and vick
Skeletore Eh
Footballguy
Michael Floyd
For
Johnathan Franklin
For
Johnathan Franklin
dboysrock94
Footballguy
Collusion or guy is planning on quitting league. That sucks when these kind of trades go through could ruin a league
I'd hardly call it a landslide. Spiller vs. Foster is close (most would prefer Foster, I'd prefer Spiller). I'd say that Jeffery, Schaub, and the Falcons are roughly comparable and even slightly better than the late 2nds (it's a deep league with only one defense on the wire, so good defenses actually have trade value). That leaves Stevie + Gore for Russell Wilson, and as deep as the QB position is right now, I think that's a reasonable trade, especially in a 10-team league.Just Win Baby said:
Tau837
Footballguy
OK, so we've established I think it's a landslide and you don't.
One minor thing is that you are ignoring the value of opening up roster spots. Beyond that, IMO the fact it is a 10 team league with no flex and starting just 1Q/2R/3W reduces the value of Schaub, Gore, and Jeffery.
Nothing you posted changes my thinking on this one at all.
It's a very deep league, so the value of roster spots is pretty much negligible. Like I said, 31 defenses are rostered. The four players cut were Travis Benjamin, Mario Manningham, Kansas City's defense, and Kyle Williams- two of whom would have had to be cut, anyway, to make room for the rookie picks.OK, so we've established I think it's a landslide and you don't.
One minor thing is that you are ignoring the value of opening up roster spots. Beyond that, IMO the fact it is a 10 team league with no flex and starting just 1Q/2R/3W reduces the value of Schaub, Gore, and Jeffery.
Nothing you posted changes my thinking on this one at all.
The fact that only 10 QBs, 20 RBs, and 30 WRs start weekly does reduce the value of Schaub and Jeffery. It also reduces the value of those late 2nd round picks at least as much, if not more, so the end result is no net change. I don't think it has much impact on Gore either way. Fewer weekly starters makes the high-end starters more valuable, and the backups less valuable, but the solid-but-unspectacular starters remain pretty constant.
I guess I'm just trying to see what makes you think it's a landslide, because I keep breaking the trade up several different ways, and I don't see it- and I'm the second-lowest staffer on Arian Foster and the second-highest staffer on Russell Wilson, so I should be predisposed to viewing this as a landslide. In a 10-teamer, though, I just view it as a mostly lateral move at RB, a bye-week QB, starting defense, and mediocre prospect for a pair of mediocre prospects, and a low-end starter at RB and WR for a low-end starter at QB. The QB is a lot younger and has the higher upside, but RB and WR are both premium positions. The team getting Foster et al. substantially improved his chances of winning this year. The team getting Spiller et al. sacrificed a lot of quality depth to get immediately younger. This looks to me like a classic win-win trade, without even needing to resort to roster specifics (the guy trading Wilson also owned Cam Newton and Matt Ryan, for instance).
Are you just that high on Russell Wilson, especially considering the mediocre trade value of QBs? Do you view Spiller as that much of an upgrade over Foster? Care to break it down for me?
