*** 2013 Official Philadelphia Eagles - NFC EAST CHAMPS*** (2 Viewers)

[Wooderson]

A big WR. WTF, is this a dream? Lol

Lol great to see.

 

[Wooderson]

I don't want them to take Geno to early but if it means seeing less of Vick sign me up. Only Vick and Jackson remain from the old cancer team iMO

 

[scratcher]

Benn was good on special teams. Not a bad price to pay to upgrade STs. We certainly need that.

 

[scratcher]

Re: Geno Smith workout.

If you remember back to last years draft, they made a big show of making Washburn parade Dontari Poe in front of the media. Then they silently worked out Fletcher Cox at home. We know how that played out.

I think Smith is a smokescreen for trading down.

 

[Nagle2998]

If the Geno Smith thing isn't a smokescreen I will be very upset considering under Reid/Banner you never would have heard about this story until after they drafted him. So either the Eagles aren't as tight lipped as before or they wanted everyone to know they were looking at him to throw them off.

How are they not being tight-lipped?

Forgot to pack their cloaks of invisibility on trip to WV.

Well they cant hide the fact they visited Geno but they didn't have to bring Lurie and make a big stink about it. Without looking it up who else have they met with because Geno is the only one I heard about so I'm guessing they borrowed your cloak after your Dungeons and dragons meeting for everyone else.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

If the Geno Smith thing isn't a smokescreen I will be very upset considering under Reid/Banner you never would have heard about this story until after they drafted him. So either the Eagles aren't as tight lipped as before or they wanted everyone to know they were looking at him to throw them off.

How are they not being tight-lipped?

Forgot to pack their cloaks of invisibility on trip to WV.

Well they cant hide the fact they visited Geno but they didn't have to bring Lurie and make a big stink about it. Without looking it up who else have they met with because Geno is the only one I heard about so I'm guessing they borrowed your cloak after your Dungeons and dragons meeting for everyone else.

FWIW, Lattimore had a private workout here yesterday or the day before. Wasn't a QB so no one cares....

 

[Bigboy10182000]

The stats may be deceiving when it comes to newly-acquired outside linebacker Connor Barwin.The former Texan racked up 11 1/2 sacks in 2011, then saw that number dip to three this past season.Meeting with local reporters for the first time Friday, Barwin filled in some of the blanks.“I played opposite of Mario Williams two years ago, and then he got hurt and I took over Mario’s spot and played the open side outside linebacker and had a lot of success there,” he said. “Last year because of injuries we had at linebacker I bounced back and forth and played both positions and kind of had to move around. The sack numbers weren’t there but the pressures and the hits were all there and the tackles were more from the year before.”On the open side, the outside linebacker was asked to rush the passer almost exclusively, whereas there are more coverage responsibilities at SAM. And according to Barwin, Houston linebackers had to change their overall approach in 2012.“We had to drop more, we had problems at inside linebacker, we had to cover up certain things on the outside,” he said. “The year before we rushed every time. Last year we had to bump the tight end before we could rush, and anyone that rushes the passer knows that’s going to slow down your rush.”The Eagles’ hope is that he’ll get back to his quarterback-sacking ways this year. It remains unclear exactly what role he will play in this scheme, but has the ability to play on either side. Regardless, the main priority will be getting after the passer.Many are wondering how the pieces will fit, given that Barwin, Trent Cole, Brandon Graham and Vinny Curry all project to be outside linebackers under Billy Davis.“I haven’t delved too much into the roster but I know Trent’s here and Brandon Graham. In any defense, especially with the way the game is going now, you need to be able to rotate at the defensive line and linebacker position to keep things fresh,” said Barwin. “I don’t exactly how it’s going to work out but I know you need a lot more than two guys to do it.”Barwin adds to the growing number of Cincinnati Bearcats on this roster, and was actually Brent Celek‘s backup at tight end his first two years.“Let me emphasize that I had a couple starts my sophomore year and I was coming for his spot, but he left for the NFL before I could take it,” said Barwin, drawing laughs.The coaching staff saw a need at defensive end and flipped the 6-4, 268-pounder to the other side of the ball. He would remain at end through his first two seasons with the Texans before being moved to outside linebacker. He has proven to be versatile, which is exactly the kind of player Chip Kelly likes.

 

[Awful Waffle]

A big WR. WTF, is this a dream? Lol

Wow, He was highly touted a couple years ago. It had to be Andy holding them back. Howies making all the right moves so far.

Reportedly, last year was also the first draft Howie ran - it's all starting to make sense...

I'd heard somewhere (might have been Iggles Blitz) that in the 2011 draft, Howie wanted Randall Cobb in round 2. We took Jaiquawn Jarrett.

 

[Insein]

A big WR. WTF, is this a dream? Lol

Wow, He was highly touted a couple years ago. It had to be Andy holding them back. Howies making all the right moves so far.

Reportedly, last year was also the first draft Howie ran - it's all starting to make sense...

I'd heard somewhere (might have been Iggles Blitz) that in the 2011 draft, Howie wanted Randall Cobb in round 2. We took Jaiquawn Jarrett.

Well I mean I can see why Andy would have wanted to go that route.

 

[Nucker101]

A big WR. WTF, is this a dream? Lol

Wow, He was highly touted a couple years ago. It had to be Andy holding them back. Howies making all the right moves so far.

Reportedly, last year was also the first draft Howie ran - it's all starting to make sense...

I'd heard somewhere (might have been Iggles Blitz) that in the 2011 draft, Howie wanted Randall Cobb in round 2. We took Jaiquawn Jarrett.

Well I mean I can see why Andy would have wanted to go that route.

Yeah, maybe seems like Howie is more of a BPA guy and Reid seemingly valued need higher than Howie. I'm definitely on board with BPA, at least in the first two rounds(as long as it's at least somewhat of a reasonable fit).

 

[Nagle2998]

If the Geno Smith thing isn't a smokescreen I will be very upset considering under Reid/Banner you never would have heard about this story until after they drafted him. So either the Eagles aren't as tight lipped as before or they wanted everyone to know they were looking at him to throw them off.

How are they not being tight-lipped?

Forgot to pack their cloaks of invisibility on trip to WV.

Well they cant hide the fact they visited Geno but they didn't have to bring Lurie and make a big stink about it. Without looking it up who else have they met with because Geno is the only one I heard about so I'm guessing they borrowed your cloak after your Dungeons and dragons meeting for everyone else.

FWIW, Lattimore had a private workout here yesterday or the day before. Wasn't a QB so no one cares....

Im an old head so I don't know what FWIW means but the reason the Geno thing was such a big deal was because the Eagles made it one by bringing Lurie with them. Everyone expects them to meet with a lot of the top guys in the draft if they didn't it would be dumb but when they added Lurie something they have done in the past it makes it a bigger deal IMO.

 

[Nagle2998]

You can't be "tight=lipped" about a meeting and workout, with a potential draft pick when your whole team is there. I don't believe in the smoke screen at all but I do believe the meeting served many puposes. One was certainly because he's in consideration for the #4 overall pick. As many have said in here, if he's a guy they believe can be a franchise QB they would be stupid NOT to meeting with him before every other team and one-on-one like they did. The other side is just by them showing interest teams like Arizona and Buffalo (if they love him) may be more inclined to make a move that could benefit us.

I just think bringing Lurie just made it a much bigger deal then it had to be. Does what Lurie thinks about a Qb potential mean that much to Howie and Chip if so the Eagles are in trouble. Like I said there is no way to hide it because of NFL rules but there are way to make it look routine which the Eagles didn't do.

I'm with you regarding Star as well. Right now (IMO) the biggest needs are RT and the other DE spot. I have read numerous places that said Cox can play both the 3 and 5 technique in the 3-4. That could mean a lot. There's also been reports that Kelly's staff is high on Cedric Thornton so maybe they feel like the DL is complete? Either way we should be in great shape come the draft.

I forgot all about Thorton but I did like what he did last year and I think he could be pretty good in a 3-4 but that would be a huge IF to start the season.

Millner could be an option but if they don't sign another CB that would tell me that they feel comfortable with Boykin or Marsh on the other end. Kelly traditionally like the defensive side of the ball to be "big"...that could benefit Marsh if they like what they see from him.

I don't think Marsh has played enough to have a real good feel for him but it does worry me that the Eagles were putting Hughes out there at CB over him because IMO Hughes was awful. I like Boykin but I see pure slot guy same way I felt about Joselio Hanson.

Smith is a guy I like as well. He's going to command a lot of $$$ though. If they can get Winston or Volmer a lot cheaper that would be fine as well.

I would be fine with any of those guys and I agree Smith probably get the most but the Eagles should still have a good amount of money left and they have picks I just think RT is by far their biggest need.

I believe there would be 7 new starters and honestly, on a unit THAT bad it's needed. Competition needed to be created there and let the best man win. count



I honestly just didn't add Cox in call it a brain fart but I'm not sure Kendrick will start this year. Just wondering where you would see him start in the Eagles 3-4. I think OLB are going to be Graham and Barwin so I'm guessing ILB but I just don't see that I think he is going to be the back up somewhere.

Jenkins was more of a name at this point. GB got rid of him when they switched to a 3-4 because he couldnt handle the run in a 3-4, I'd say thats why he was let go from here as well.

Jenkins played two years in GB's 3-4 and in his second year there he got 7 sacks in 11 games which is pretty good. I'm not one of those guys who pretends to know everything about every other team because I really follow more of the Eagles and my fantasy players so I read a lot. When Jenkins left GB most GB fans seemed to hate it and the ones that didn't said he was just overpaid for a 30 year old who missed 17 games in his last 3 years there. I really didn't see more then a small handful say he is better suited for a 4-3. Now saying all that GB fans are much kinder then most Eagles fans with departing players so who knows

 

[jasvic]

Im an old head so I don't know what FWIW means

For What It's Worth.

 

[monk]

A big WR. WTF, is this a dream? Lol

Wow, He was highly touted a couple years ago. It had to be Andy holding them back. Howies making all the right moves so far.

Yep! He is building a Dream Team!!!!

 

[JAA]

Im a Dumervil fan. Any chance the Eagles can make a play at him?

 

[Bigboy10182000]

If the Geno Smith thing isn't a smokescreen I will be very upset considering under Reid/Banner you never would have heard about this story until after they drafted him. So either the Eagles aren't as tight lipped as before or they wanted everyone to know they were looking at him to throw them off.

How are they not being tight-lipped?

Forgot to pack their cloaks of invisibility on trip to WV.

Well they cant hide the fact they visited Geno but they didn't have to bring Lurie and make a big stink about it. Without looking it up who else have they met with because Geno is the only one I heard about so I'm guessing they borrowed your cloak after your Dungeons and dragons meeting for everyone else.

FWIW, Lattimore had a private workout here yesterday or the day before. Wasn't a QB so no one cares....

Im an old head so I don't know what FWIW means but the reason the Geno thing was such a big deal was because the Eagles made it one by bringing Lurie with them. Everyone expects them to meet with a lot of the top guys in the draft if they didn't it would be dumb but when they added Lurie something they have done in the past it makes it a bigger deal IMO.

I think the Laurie thing was blown way out of proportion, in my opinion. This isn't Jerry Jones or Al Davis. Laurie has alway been hands off. For all we know he was at the Lattimore one or simply had some free time and decided to attended the Geno one.

 

[Awful Waffle]

Im a Dumervil fan. Any chance the Eagles can make a play at him?

Don't see it. He's not very tall and going back to Oregon, Chip has recruited taller players for DL and LB.

 

[Shane Falco]

Im a Dumervil fan. Any chance the Eagles can make a play at him?

Don't see it. He's not very tall and going back to Oregon, Chip has recruited taller players for DL and LB.

and he'd be miscast as an OLB like he was when Denver played a 3-4 a couple years ago

 

[Nucker101]

Im a Dumervil fan. Any chance the Eagles can make a play at him?

Don't see it. He's not very tall and going back to Oregon, Chip has recruited taller players for DL and LB.

and he'd be miscast as an OLB like he was when Denver played a 3-4 a couple years ago

Yeah, I don't see it as a fit. Great player though.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Im a Dumervil fan. Any chance the Eagles can make a play at him?

Don't see it. He's not very tall and going back to Oregon, Chip has recruited taller players for DL and LB.

and he'd be miscast as an OLB like he was when Denver played a 3-4 a couple years ago

Yeah, I don't see it as a fit. Great player though.

Yeah he is. I'm sure he'll get his fair share of money from someone. I want to see Graham play the Predator ( Rush OLB) this season. I think he's going to excel in this defense.

 

[Late225]

Anyone hear anything on the tackles still unsigned? I have to think we're targeting someone at the position.

 

[Game Time]

I think you have to sign one of those really solid FA tackles... that way you can either go Geno, Miller, or Jordan at 1.4 ... Those guys fill an immediate need, and the line will be much stronger.. best of both worlds IMHO....

 

[Nucker101]

Anyone hear anything on the tackles still unsigned? I have to think we're targeting someone at the position.

I haven't seen anything lately regarding the Eagles and FA's on Twitter. A tackle would be great, could also use another 3-4 linemen. It would be amazing to go into the draft with almost all of the holes filled and just draft BPA, or the guys Kelly feels that he can use the most effectively.

 

[Donny Loved Bowling]

If we don't add a RT then Joeckel/Fisher would be the obvious targets at #4. But with around $10M in remaining cap space, I'd be surprised if we weren't players for Vollmer/Winston. With one of them in the fold, Milliner would be the ideal target. Margus Hunt in the 2nd?

 

[JAA]

If we don't add a RT then Joeckel/Fisher would be the obvious targets at #4. But with around $10M in remaining cap space, I'd be surprised if we weren't players for Vollmer/Winston. With one of them in the fold, Milliner would be the ideal target. Margus Hunt in the 2nd?

Vollmer is good but not great. He has a nasty streak and thats nice though. My gut tells me that Vollmer is looking for the most money, but I cant imagine he is getting Winston type Tackle money

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Anyone hear anything on the tackles still unsigned? I have to think we're targeting someone at the position.

One of the big guys has to fall first I think. It seems like the rest are waiting around to see what Jake Long gets. IF we get one of the RT's how would you guys feel about Milner at 4 and Marques Hunt in the 2nd as our 3-technique?

 

[Game Time]

I'd be good with that, but I keep getting more of a feeling it will be Geno at 4......

 

[babydemon90]

I don't think whether we get a tackle or not has anybearing on who we take with our first pick. We're taking whoever is at the top of our list.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

I don't think whether we get a tackle or not has anybearing on who we take with our first pick. We're taking whoever is at the top of our list.

IF we get an OT then we're not talking another unless reports or Peters are bad which I don't expect.

 

[SouthJersey]

If Geno Smith is our 1st round guy I'd hope we can drop down a few spots and pick up another 3rd round pick.

I really want Joekel or Fisher but would be content with one of Andre Smith/Winston/Vollmer, Geno and an extra 2nd/3rd.

 

[ShaHBucks]

I don't think whether we get a tackle or not has anybearing on who we take with our first pick. We're taking whoever is at the top of our list.

Top 2-4 players in the draft might be tackles...

 

[Sludge]

Anyone hear anything on the tackles still unsigned? I have to think we're targeting someone at the position.

One of the big guys has to fall first I think. It seems like the rest are waiting around to see what Jake Long gets. IF we get one of the RT's how would you guys feel about Milner at 4 and Marques Hunt in the 2nd as our 3-technique?

I'd had no problem with that. I'd also wouldn't mind it if they took a shot on EJ Manuel in the 2nd.

 

[JAA]

Anyone hear anything on the tackles still unsigned? I have to think we're targeting someone at the position.

If we arent trying to sign Winston, it has to be because we are targeting a T in the draft BECAUSE Peters is expected to come back healthy. Could you imagine if Peters isnt back healthy and we dont select a Tackle in the draft AND dont sign a RT?

 

[JAA]

Anyone hear anything on the tackles still unsigned? I have to think we're targeting someone at the position.

One of the big guys has to fall first I think. It seems like the rest are waiting around to see what Jake Long gets. IF we get one of the RT's how would you guys feel about Milner at 4 and Marques Hunt in the 2nd as our 3-technique?

I still really believe 1.04 is too high for any CB, ever. If we cant trade down ...I think you have to look for playmakers on the DL, like Star or Floyd. If not them, maybe Jordan if we beleive he is the real deal. If not, you need to consider Geno.The chances of us drafting at the 1.04 again are probably slim. We have to take BPA here as I dont believe we will ever get another chance at a player of this quality.Now, Chip could mess all this up and we could be picking Det, StL, Cle style for the next few years, but I would vote against that.

 

[GoBirds]

Anyone hear anything on the tackles still unsigned? I have to think we're targeting someone at the position.

One of the big guys has to fall first I think. It seems like the rest are waiting around to see what Jake Long gets. IF we get one of the RT's how would you guys feel about Milner at 4 and Marques Hunt in the 2nd as our 3-technique?

I still really believe 1.04 is too high for any CB, ever. If we cant trade down ...I think you have to look for playmakers on the DL, like Star or Floyd. If not them, maybe Jordan if we beleive he is the real deal. If not, you need to consider Geno.The chances of us drafting at the 1.04 again are probably slim. We have to take BPA here as I dont believe we will ever get another chance at a player of this quality.Now, Chip could mess all this up and we could be picking Det, StL, Cle style for the next few years, but I would vote against that.

Thats what im thinking....while Geno isnt the caliber of last years options its not like we have the chance to draft this high often.

 

[Awful Waffle]

So reach for a QB who could bust just because you can? That's how you get fired in two years. If the Eagles are dead set on a QB in the draft, I'd take EJ Manuel in the 2nd or Matt Scott in the 3rd over Geno Smith at #4.

 

[SouthJersey]

So reach for a QB who could bust just because you can? That's how you get fired in two years. If the Eagles are dead set on a QB in the draft, I'd take EJ Manuel in the 2nd or Matt Scott in the 3rd over Geno Smith at #4.

Agree. If we want Geno I think we can trade down a few spots, pick up another pick and still get Geno. I doubt we're gonna have as high of a pick next year...and the QBs in next year's draft look as good, probably better than Geno. Why reach for such a big question mark?

 

[GoBirds]

So reach for a QB who could bust just because you can? That's how you get fired in two years. If the Eagles are dead set on a QB in the draft, I'd take EJ Manuel in the 2nd or Matt Scott in the 3rd over Geno Smith at #4.

Agree. If we want Geno I think we can trade down a few spots, pick up another pick and still get Geno. I doubt we're gonna have as high of a pick next year...and the QBs in next year's draft look as good, probably better than Geno. Why reach for such a big question mark?

Didnt say I would but if Kelly likes him I wouldnt be surprised. Its not like there is a once in a generation talent that will be there at another position that im aware of.

 

[SouthJersey]

So reach for a QB who could bust just because you can? That's how you get fired in two years. If the Eagles are dead set on a QB in the draft, I'd take EJ Manuel in the 2nd or Matt Scott in the 3rd over Geno Smith at #4.

Agree. If we want Geno I think we can trade down a few spots, pick up another pick and still get Geno. I doubt we're gonna have as high of a pick next year...and the QBs in next year's draft look as good, probably better than Geno. Why reach for such a big question mark?

Didnt say I would but if Kelly likes him I wouldnt be surprised. Its not like there is a once in a generation talent that will be there at another position that im aware of.

Yea but provided they don't get hurt, I think there is a much better chance guys like Joekel or Fisher will pan out and be deserving of this high draft spot moreso than Geno. And the QBs who will bet there in the mid 1st next year look to be just as good as Geno, if not better. I think it's better we build up both sides of the line 1st and roll with Vick for this season and address QB next year (as well as taking a flyer on a guy later in this draft).

 

[JetMaxx]

Somewhat of a stating the obvious article but it's a refreshing change from the past soft regime:

My link

Kelly's List guides Eagles in free agency

One of Chip Kelly’s first tasks as Eagles’ head coach was to write a job description for each position on the football field and hand it off to general manager Howie Roseman.

The two men needed to get on the same page, and they had to do it quickly. There was film to study. Players to evaluate. Decisions to be made.

This past week, during a wild and frenzied free agency period, we got a glimpse of what that top-secret information contained.

Call it Kelly’s List.

The one common denominator on it was size.

Whereas former head coach Andy Reid liked his players smaller and quicker, Kelly wanted his Eagles bigger and bulkier, and if quicker was part of that package, then so be it.

The team brought in eight players in free agency, then Friday acquired wide receiver Arrelious Benn in a trade with Tampa Bay.

All but one of those players is at least 6 feet tall. The only exception is cornerback Bradley Fletcher, and he misses the mark only by a single inch at 5-foot-11.

Nose tackle Issac Sopoaga is 6-2, 330 pounds.

Outside linebacker Connor Barwin is 6-4, 268 pounds. Until Barwin arrived, DeMeco Ryans was the biggest linebacker in height and weight at 6-1, 247 pounds.

Safety Kenny Phillips is 6-2, 217; Nate Allen is 6-1, 210; Kurt Coleman is 5-11, 195.

Bigger and bulkier.

That’s the way it was when Kelly was at Oregon and that’s the way it will be in Philadelphia.

Another theme of Kelly’s List?

Toughness.

How’s this work for you?

“Intimidation is huge in this game. I think it’s one thing to intimidate, but also to go out there and play physical each and every week, week‑in and week‑out, guys look at film, and they notice those things and take those things to heart.”

Those were the words of former Ravens cornerback Cary Williams.

Nnamdi Asomugha never talked like that.

“The moment you decide that you’re not going to try to separate the receiver from the ball, you’re going to hurt yourself and hurt the team. So I say, hey, just go out and hit them, maybe get fined. Just pay for it. You just got to pay for it. I’ve had my share.”

Those were the words of Phillips, the former Giants No. 1 draft pick.

Allen doesn’t say things like that.

Thing is, it’s more than talk. These players have backed it up.

Phillips and Williams have Super Bowl rings. Safety Patrick Chung and Sopoaga have played in a Super Bowl.

Tackling was on Kelly’s List, too.

Williams missed just three last season, according to Pro Football Focus. Fletcher doesn’t miss many, either.

Now, before you pencil the Eagles in for a playoff spot next year, keep in mind that most of this collection of players have had their share of serious injuries, so they come with their fair share of question marks. But, hey, don’t most free agents come packaged that way?

Besides, it’s not like this group had a serious injury and are all 30 years old.

No, these players, with the exception of Sopoaga (who’s 31) and Benn (just 24), are between 26 and 28. So you figure that they come with something to prove, and the contracts are neat and tidy to allow them to do that.

Clearly, age was another aspect of Kelly’s List.

Barwin is signed for six years, but everyone else is on either a two- or three-year deal. Phillips is only on a one-year contract because his injury history is deep. But he is only 26, and he is a playmaker when healthy.

He may even become a fan favorite.

“I never thought I’d be sitting here today as a Philadelphia Eagle,” he said. “At this point I can’t say I hate the Giants. When I was with the Giants I kind of disliked the Eagles. But I can’t just say right now I hate the Giants. I guess I’ll have to learn to hate them.”

Nothing like good Giants hate for Eagles fans.

During a break in the action last week, Roseman talked about changing the culture of the defense.

He didn’t mention Kelly’s List, but he didn’t have to. He followed it like a treasure map.

 

[scratcher]

So we are in need of a 5-tech DE for the 3-4. It is one of the few spots where we dont have a starter pencilled in. In addition, Floyd if available at #4 would provide good value for the pick as well.

I have to think that is where we go if we stay put at #4 and he is available.

Thoughts?

 

[Bigboy10182000]

So we are in need of a 5-tech DE for the 3-4. It is one of the few spots where we dont have a starter pencilled in. In addition, Floyd if available at #4 would provide good value for the pick as well.I have to think that is where we go if we stay put at #4 and he is available.Thoughts?

Cox would be the 5 technique for us.ETA-Howie and many have said that Fletcher can play either one.

 

[Nagle2998]

So reach for a QB who could bust just because you can? That's how you get fired in two years. If the Eagles are dead set on a QB in the draft, I'd take EJ Manuel in the 2nd or Matt Scott in the 3rd over Geno Smith at #4.

Agree. If we want Geno I think we can trade down a few spots, pick up another pick and still get Geno. I doubt we're gonna have as high of a pick next year...and the QBs in next year's draft look as good, probably better than Geno. Why reach for such a big question mark?

I think if Kelly likes Geno and thinks he will be a stud down the line then take him at 1.4 because there is a very good chance the Browns, Cards or Bills will take him so I'm not sure you can trade down. I'm not saying Geno would be my choice but I will trust Kelly and Roseman till they give me a good reason not to.

 

[scratcher]

So we are in need of a 5-tech DE for the 3-4. It is one of the few spots where we dont have a starter pencilled in. In addition, Floyd if available at #4 would provide good value for the pick as well.I have to think that is where we go if we stay put at #4 and he is available.Thoughts?

Cox would be the 5 technique for us.ETA-Howie and many have said that Fletcher can play either one.

I think Floyd could play either as well

 

[Donny Loved Bowling]

So we are in need of a 5-tech DE for the 3-4. It is one of the few spots where we dont have a starter pencilled in. In addition, Floyd if available at #4 would provide good value for the pick as well.I have to think that is where we go if we stay put at #4 and he is available.Thoughts?

I like Margus Hunt in the 2nd to fill that DE slot.Milliner 1st, Hunt 2nd, Manuel/Scott 3rd... sounds like a plan.BTW I'd love to see Denard Robinson on Day 3.

 

[Donny Loved Bowling]

There's a bit of speculation on PFT that Jeremy Maclin is the WR acquisition that Irsay has been hinting at. I know his rookie deal is up after this season, but dealing him now would be hard to fathom. If only there was somone on the board with Colts access who could shoot this down...

 

[Ash]

There's a bit of speculation on PFT that Jeremy Maclin is the WR acquisition that Irsay has been hinting at. I know his rookie deal is up after this season, but dealing him now would be hard to fathom. If only there was somone on the board with Colts access who could shoot this down...

Hard to see it on two fronts. Firstly Maclin is really talented if they could get him to toughen up and be consistent he could be a stud. Hard to see a coach giving up on a guy like that before taking a chance with him. Secondly, for all that Irsay's tweet talked about "getting a whopper in the boat", which would be kind of overselling Maclin up to this point, since he's basically an underachiever.

 

[ghostguy123]

There's a bit of speculation on PFT that Jeremy Maclin is the WR acquisition that Irsay has been hinting at. I know his rookie deal is up after this season, but dealing him now would be hard to fathom. If only there was somone on the board with Colts access who could shoot this down...

Hard to see it on two fronts. Firstly Maclin is really talented if they could get him to toughen up and be consistent he could be a stud. Hard to see a coach giving up on a guy like that before taking a chance with him. Secondly, for all that Irsay's tweet talked about "getting a whopper in the boat", which would be kind of overselling Maclin up to this point, since he's basically an underachiever.

Maclin to Indy, with Luck throwing him the ball, would be very interesting.Maclin seemed to click well last year with Foles, who is a more traditional style QB than Vick obviously. And I am fairly certain Luck is better than Foles in every way imaginable.

 

[Ash]

Connor Barwin Revisited.

Since there was a bit of a discussion about this when the signing happened, and I was kind of down on it I went back and took another look both at some film from 2011 and 2012 and the stats.

Firstly I want to debunk the view that's been floated that his drop in sack numbers was due to a change in the way he was used between 2011 and 2012.

2011 2012

Coverage Snaps 15% 14%

Right/Left% 70/15 63/23

He covered about as often in 2012 as 2011 and did rush more from the less favorable left hand side, but not enough to account for such a huge drop. Barwin's rep as a pass rusher comes from a 6 sack 2 game stretch against the Bucs during their 2011 meltdown (2 sacks) and an overmatched Blaine Gabbert led Jags offense (4 sacks) a week later. Outside those two games, for the rest of his career he's a guy who gets a sack every 3 or 4 games. Barwin doesn't have a heap of pass rushing talent, he's pretty much straight line, doesn't change direction very well and doesn't have that burst of speed to get round the corner and finish. If we look at him as a pass rusher I think we'll be disappointed.

However I was wrong about his coverage. Zone wise he's not too bad, it shows he has a background on offense, he does try sink and shift into the passing lanes, gets his hands up, finds guys behind him etc. In underneath zone coverage I think he can do a solid job. The couple of times it looked like he was in man, didn't look good. He's a big guy who doesn't change direction that well, he'll struggle with RBs and TEs in man.

I like him better against the run. He's disciplined, stays home, doesn't lose contain, he's a good tackler. Does a good job setting the edge and holding his ground against OTs.

I think he's a SAM, not a straight pass rusher and if that's how they use him I think he'll do a decent job. Fits the theme of the rest of the FA signings I guess, in that we at least have a competent player we can put in that spot, and build the team from there.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

There's a bit of speculation on PFT that Jeremy Maclin is the WR acquisition that Irsay has been hinting at. I know his rookie deal is up after this season, but dealing him now would be hard to fathom. If only there was somone on the board with Colts access who could shoot this down...

To be completley honest, if they got anoough back I'd deal both of our WR's. Neither will ever be a true #1 and they may be the softest duo in the league.