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*** 2013 Official Pittsburgh Steelers Off & ON Season Thread *** (1 Viewer)

I doubt he'd do that, but who knows. Gruden to steelers?
I was thinking last night, what if it was true and Tomlin bolted? Wouldn't it be fun if the Steelers went after Saban? NFL is the only place he's failed and coaching the Steelers is a sought after position.

 
Seems like that can be said about the entire league. There are no dominant teams. Seattle might be closest yet they struggled with the Bucs at home. Saints and Panthers I'd say compare to the Broncos and Chiefs. 49ers compare to the Pats maybe. Seahawks are just above the others. NFC East and North are pretty bad. Bengals and Colts easily compare to whoever comes out of those divisions. They've finally achieved their dream of competitive balance, aka mediocrity.

Big Lions fan tonight.

 
Good effort last night.
Yep. Too bad they let so many games slip through their fingers. The Steelers aren't a very good team but no one in the AFC is all that great. This looks to be one of the weakest crop of playoff teams from the AFC in quite a few years.
thats what is so frustrating about the year.

titans/vikings/raiders/ravens/dolphins

even if you go 2-3 in those games they are still at 8-6 instead of out of the playoffs.

 
what kind of miracle needs to occur for the steelers to make the playoffs?

ravens, dolphins, chargers, jets, all losing out?
Pretty sure:

(1) Steelers must win their final 2 games (@GB, CLE)

(2) Baltimore has to lose 2 of their final 3 (@DET, NE, @CIN)

(3) Dolphins must lose their final 2 (@BUF, NYJ)

(4) Chargers must lose 1 of their final 2 (OAK, KC)

(5) Jets must win their final 2 (CLE, @MIA)

(6) Hell freeze over

Obviously not going to happen but it would be nice to see Baltimore lose tonight and next week, Buffalo pull the upset against the Dolphins, the Jets beat Cleveland and of course the underdog Steelers beat the Packers and have a still slim chance at the playoffs going into the final week of the season.

 
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what kind of miracle needs to occur for the steelers to make the playoffs?

ravens, dolphins, chargers, jets, all losing out?
Pretty sure:

(1) Steelers must win their final 2 games

(2) Baltimore has to lose 2 of their final 3

(3) Dolphin must lose their final 2

(4) Chargers must lose 1 of their final 2

(5) Jets must win their final 2
:goodposting:

This is the correct scenario.

I dont see Miami losing to Buffalo and NY the next 2 weeks.

 
what kind of miracle needs to occur for the steelers to make the playoffs?

ravens, dolphins, chargers, jets, all losing out?
Pretty sure:

(1) Steelers must win their final 2 games (@GB, CLE)

(2) Baltimore has to lose 2 of their final 3 (@DET, NE, @CIN)

(3) Dolphins must lose their final 2 (@BUF, NYJ)

(4) Chargers must lose 1 of their final 2 (OAK, KC)

(5) Jets must win their final 2 (CLE, @MIA)

(6) Hell freeze over

Obviously not going to happen but it would be nice to see Baltimore lose tonight and next week, Buffalo pull the upset against the Dolphins, the Jets beat Cleveland and of course the underdog Steelers beat the Packers and have a still slim chance at the playoffs going into the final week of the season.
I used to like you, GB :lol:

I could see the Ravens losing all three, though I think they'll beat the Pats in Baltimore.

 
No way the Dolphins lose to Buffalo AND the Jets. Last week's loss to the Phins was the Steelers last chance.

Was a shame too, because anyone following the Steelers this year can see that they are such a different team now than they were earlier. And that's even with the big injuries. I still see cause for optimism for next year.

 
Aren't the Steelers already eliminated from the playfoffs ? The can finish 8-8 at best but Miami could also finish 8-8 at worst and they have the head to head tie breaker over the Steelers. Or is this based on a four-way 8-8 tie ?

 
moondog said:
Aren't the Steelers already eliminated from the playfoffs ? The can finish 8-8 at best but Miami could also finish 8-8 at worst and they have the head to head tie breaker over the Steelers. Or is this based on a four-way 8-8 tie ?
It would have to be based on multiple teams being 8-8

 
moondog said:
Aren't the Steelers already eliminated from the playfoffs ? The can finish 8-8 at best but Miami could also finish 8-8 at worst and they have the head to head tie breaker over the Steelers. Or is this based on a four-way 8-8 tie ?
It would have to be based on multiple teams being 8-8
:goodposting:

The tiebreakers for 8-8 teams would be division first, rather than head-to-head. Steelers would have tiebreaker over BAL, NYJ would have tiebreaker over MIA. Steelers have tiebreaker over NYJ.

 
Why was your stadium only 25% full after half time last night? What was it like at kick off? I know you guys blew out the Bengals, but Seattle had as many people in the stands 15 min after the game v. NO.

I would expect that out of our wine and cheese fan base here in Carolina..

 
Why was your stadium only 25% full after half time last night? What was it like at kick off? I know you guys blew out the Bengals, but Seattle had as many people in the stands 15 min after the game v. NO.

I would expect that out of our wine and cheese fan base here in Carolina..
Not an excuse, but 20 degrees, howling wind, and a losing team will keep people out of their seats.

 
Not to mention a 20 pt. halftime lead at 10:30 on a work night in a (barring a miracle) totally meaningless game. Not all that surprising, really.

 
Love all the heroes watching from home when they tell paying customers how they ought to act
Sorry dude, it was a 10 hour drive for me.

It just surprised me. Maybe the vision in my head and the reality are different. Probably a trend everywhere, just one I expected to be fended off in the Steel city.

 
I hear you, GB. But as a season ticket holder for my team (the Ravens), who changes my life around - and pays thousands each year - to be in the stadium 8 games a year, sometimes I get snappish when people weigh in about how fans should behave at the stadium.

That being said, with a minimum of effort, it's not hard to find someone who hasn't been to many games and would love to use my tickets on rare occasions when I can't make it.

 
I hear you, GB. But as a season ticket holder for my team (the Ravens), who changes my life around - and pays thousands each year - to be in the stadium 8 games a year, sometimes I get snappish when people weigh in about how fans should behave at the stadium.

That being said, with a minimum of effort, it's not hard to find someone who hasn't been to many games and would love to use my tickets on rare occasions when I can't make it.
You're right, it's the fans choice. This is debated in our market all the time on the radio. Our stadium is half empty for almost every kickoff. People wander in on nice weather days and it's generally full by the end of the first quarter. At half time people start to leave. If we're up by more than 7 or down at all it gets thin in the 4th quarter.

That happens because a majority of our population is from other parts of the country and the PSLs went mostly to people who bought them for status, not because they were a hardcore fans.

Our owner has always talked about modeling the franchise based on the Steelers. It's talked about so much around here that you would think everything Steelers walks on water without knowing where the stones are. On top of that, my impression has been that it's a loyal and hardcore fan base.

 
I hear you, GB. But as a season ticket holder for my team (the Ravens), who changes my life around - and pays thousands each year - to be in the stadium 8 games a year, sometimes I get snappish when people weigh in about how fans should behave at the stadium.

That being said, with a minimum of effort, it's not hard to find someone who hasn't been to many games and would love to use my tickets on rare occasions when I can't make it.
You're right, it's the fans choice. This is debated in our market all the time on the radio. Our stadium is half empty for almost every kickoff. People wander in on nice weather days and it's generally full by the end of the first quarter. At half time people start to leave. If we're up by more than 7 or down at all it gets thin in the 4th quarter.

That happens because a majority of our population is from other parts of the country and the PSLs went mostly to people who bought them for status, not because they were a hardcore fans.

Our owner has always talked about modeling the franchise based on the Steelers. It's talked about so much around here that you would think everything Steelers walks on water without knowing where the stones are. On top of that, my impression has been that it's a loyal and hardcore fan base.
technically it was a sellout of course. just a bunch of people not showing up. their loss since they missed a good game.

 
Why was your stadium only 25% full after half time last night? What was it like at kick off? I know you guys blew out the Bengals, but Seattle had as many people in the stands 15 min after the game v. NO.

I would expect that out of our wine and cheese fan base here in Carolina..
Not an excuse, but 20 degrees, howling wind, and a losing team will keep people out of their seats.
:goodposting:

The wind was brutal last Sunday night and was certainly a huge factor as was the fact that it was a Sunday night game. The thing that really sealed the deal is it came after such a disappointing home loss against Miami. That loss was devastating.

What really surprises me is that there wasn't a whole lot of Bengals fans there. Tickets were plentiful and cheap, the Bengals in the thick of a playoff race, and only a 4 hour drive.

 
Godsbrother said:
The wind was brutal last Sunday night and was certainly a huge factor as was the fact that it was a Sunday night game. The thing that really sealed the deal is it came after such a disappointing home loss against Miami. That loss was devastating.

What really surprises me is that there wasn't a whole lot of Bengals fans there. Tickets were plentiful and cheap, the Bengals in the thick of a playoff race, and only a 4 hour drive.
The week before I saw probably 3 times as many Miami jerseys than Cincy jerseys this week.

It was a cold windy work night. But I was surprised how it emptied out at half time.

I think there is a decent percentage of fans who drive an hour or two to games and a low percentage of those fans go to prime time games. What normally happens in those situations as they sell/give their tickets away. With the team doing poorly and the weather conditions it was difficult to give tickets away.

 
Lamar Woodley to IR.

He's played his last snap for Pittsburgh, hasn't he? I'd love some magical situation where we can keep him and still sign Worilds, Velasco, Cotchery, Al Woods and others....but I'm not seeing how it's possible.

 
AhrnCityPahnder said:
Lamar Woodley to IR.

He's played his last snap for Pittsburgh, hasn't he? I'd love some magical situation where we can keep him and still sign Worilds, Velasco, Cotchery, Al Woods and others....but I'm not seeing how it's possible.
I'd imagine that Woodley is done as well.

It should be a rather interesting offseason to say the least - lots of tough decisions to be made.

 
AhrnCityPahnder said:
Lamar Woodley to IR.

He's played his last snap for Pittsburgh, hasn't he? I'd love some magical situation where we can keep him and still sign Worilds, Velasco, Cotchery, Al Woods and others....but I'm not seeing how it's possible.
I'd imagine that Woodley is done as well.

It should be a rather interesting offseason to say the least - lots of tough decisions to be made.
I think he may be gone too but it is going to be very tough to cut him with that salary cap/dead money hit. You could soften the blow for 2014 by cutting him after June 1st but he will count against the cap until then which will make it hard to sign manu free agents.

If they want to retain Worilds they're gong to need to extend Ben and make some difficult choices.

Levi Brown counts for $6.25 million so he is definitely gone. Cutting Ike Taylor would save $7 million in cap space. Polamalu counts for more than $10 million against the cap. He will most likely be asked to take a pay cut and if he doesn't agree could be cut which would result in another $8 million in cap savings.

Other possible cap casualties are: Steve McClendin ($1.8 million), Ramon Foster ($1.5 million), Bruce Gradkowski ($1.3 million), Larry Foote ($1.2 million), and Matt Spaeth ($900,000).

 
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AhrnCityPahnder said:
Lamar Woodley to IR.

He's played his last snap for Pittsburgh, hasn't he? I'd love some magical situation where we can keep him and still sign Worilds, Velasco, Cotchery, Al Woods and others....but I'm not seeing how it's possible.
He's only gone if they sign Worilds

 
Why keep any of the high paid players on defense? They are not performing anymore, and they are old and only getting older. Dump them.

 
But the problems on defense go deeper than the secondary. We desperately need a real NT. I don't think Woods is the answer and McLendon certainly isn't. Keisel is likely done too so you're going to need a NT and a DE unless you re-sign Ziggy.
Would be awesome if we can get Louis Nix III in the draft.

 
Well it's all over now. Yesterday was another blown very winnable game. Complain all you want about Haley's offense but the biggest problem is on defense -- it stinks and needs a massive overhaul.
There is room for optimism all around for next year. The offense if we can get the line back healthy, is overall very young outside of the QB and TE positions. And Ben isn't "old" for a QB.

Defense, Heywood was a beast yesterday. Worilds, has been playing inspired and might be worth resigning. Woodley looked good, Timmons looked good. Even Hood has played ok. We need to address the secondary quickly, however. There are a lot of years back there. Really the only "old" part of this team.
The secondary, specifically Clark, Polamalu and Taylor are all old. Clark is an UFA and is done. Ike is likely done too unless the Steelers think he could play safety. Troy is still a playmaker but is out of position way too often and is becoming a liability. He and Ike account for $14 million against the cap so that will be a factor too.

But the problems on defense go deeper than the secondary. We desperately need a real NT. I don't think Woods is the answer and McLendon certainly isn't. Keisel is likely done too so you're going to need a NT and a DE unless you re-sign Ziggy.

Signing Worilds should be a priority and I don't think the Steelers can afford to do their typical "see what you can get in FA and we'll see if we can match" routine.
Given the DL and LB pieces, is it time to move to 4-3 base?
This would be as good of time time as any if this is the route they want to go although I am not sure Jarvis Jones is an OLB in a 4-3 defense.
I dont think Woodley is a 4-3 OLB either. The change would make sense based on our DL's current makeup, but not the LB's (besides Timmons)

 
Kenny Powers said:
Well it's all over now. Yesterday was another blown very winnable game. Complain all you want about Haley's offense but the biggest problem is on defense -- it stinks and needs a massive overhaul.
There is room for optimism all around for next year. The offense if we can get the line back healthy, is overall very young outside of the QB and TE positions. And Ben isn't "old" for a QB.Defense, Heywood was a beast yesterday. Worilds, has been playing inspired and might be worth resigning. Woodley looked good, Timmons looked good. Even Hood has played ok. We need to address the secondary quickly, however. There are a lot of years back there. Really the only "old" part of this team.
The secondary, specifically Clark, Polamalu and Taylor are all old. Clark is an UFA and is done. Ike is likely done too unless the Steelers think he could play safety. Troy is still a playmaker but is out of position way too often and is becoming a liability. He and Ike account for $14 million against the cap so that will be a factor too.

But the problems on defense go deeper than the secondary. We desperately need a real NT. I don't think Woods is the answer and McLendon certainly isn't. Keisel is likely done too so you're going to need a NT and a DE unless you re-sign Ziggy.

Signing Worilds should be a priority and I don't think the Steelers can afford to do their typical "see what you can get in FA and we'll see if we can match" routine.
Given the DL and LB pieces, is it time to move to 4-3 base?
This would be as good of time time as any if this is the route they want to go although I am not sure Jarvis Jones is an OLB in a 4-3 defense.
I dont think Woodley is a 4-3 OLB either. The change would make sense based on our DL's current makeup, but not the LB's (besides Timmons)
I think he moves to de in 4-3 possibly.

 
Resilience - it's what we do.

GB game on the road w/ everything and nothing on the line. That was quite exciting.

Our good players are still really damn good. And one more prop for Ben. Couple more years of doing this and the sky is the limit.

We continue to get rid of all the right guys...but acquisitions... unfortunately not so much and not till it's needed. We STILL need to nail it offseason if Ben is to get another.

No one wants us if we do luck in and that is all Ben btw.

See ya next year. :)

 
Well it's all over now. Yesterday was another blown very winnable game. Complain all you want about Haley's offense but the biggest problem is on defense -- it stinks and needs a massive overhaul.
There is room for optimism all around for next year. The offense if we can get the line back healthy, is overall very young outside of the QB and TE positions. And Ben isn't "old" for a QB.Defense, Heywood was a beast yesterday. Worilds, has been playing inspired and might be worth resigning. Woodley looked good, Timmons looked good. Even Hood has played ok. We need to address the secondary quickly, however. There are a lot of years back there. Really the only "old" part of this team.
The secondary, specifically Clark, Polamalu and Taylor are all old. Clark is an UFA and is done. Ike is likely done too unless the Steelers think he could play safety. Troy is still a playmaker but is out of position way too often and is becoming a liability. He and Ike account for $14 million against the cap so that will be a factor too.

But the problems on defense go deeper than the secondary. We desperately need a real NT. I don't think Woods is the answer and McLendon certainly isn't. Keisel is likely done too so you're going to need a NT and a DE unless you re-sign Ziggy.

Signing Worilds should be a priority and I don't think the Steelers can afford to do their typical "see what you can get in FA and we'll see if we can match" routine.
Given the DL and LB pieces, is it time to move to 4-3 base?
This would be as good of time time as any if this is the route they want to go although I am not sure Jarvis Jones is an OLB in a 4-3 defense.
I dont think Woodley is a 4-3 OLB either. The change would make sense based on our DL's current makeup, but not the LB's (besides Timmons)
I think he moves to de in 4-3 possibly.
Certainly and Id think it would be an easy transition for him, ie his Michigan days.

I forgot about that when considering it.

 
I think he moves to de in 4-3 possibly.
Certainly and Id think it would be an easy transition for him, ie his Michigan days.

I forgot about that when considering it.
I've long believed that Woodley's best pro position would likely have been playing LDE in a 4-3. Guy was just hella strong at U of M. He'd manhandle OTs bigger than him at times. He'd be a pretty good tackler for an NFL DE and would be a mismatch for a lot of RTs with his blend of power and speed.....

....or would have been before all the injuries/overweight-ness/"got paid, don't care" sort of stuff. I just don't think Woodley is remotely the player he used to be anymore.

It's a moot point anyway. If LeBeau returns they will continue to run the 3-4. If LeBeau leaves we already know who his replacement will be. Butler has been a LeBeau disciple for what feels like about 1,000 years. He'll run the 3-4 too.

 
So this snowball's chance in hell is now turning into a cold front with potential blizzard conditions. I mean the idea that they are this close given how awful Dalton played and that the Chiefs are playing practice squad guys is shocking. Going to be a fun next 2 hours :towelwave:

Unrelated note, it sounds like the leading guy for the Skins new HC coach is Cowher. Given how Shanny's legacy is now down the toilet thanks to that grease fire in DC I would hate seeing that happen for the Chin.

 
This is ridiculous right now. The Chefs have done nothing offensively in the 2nd half though, and if they dont score again Im pretty sure they dont hold onto the lead and win.

:tinfoilhat:

 
I couldn't have been the only person who saw Ryan Succup and thought we were in trouble :kicksrock:

 
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