5-ish Finkle
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Been waiting for that. They have a need and he's from down that direction.
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*** 2013 Official Pittsburgh Steelers Off & ON Season Thread *** (2 Viewers)
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Kenny Powers
Footballguy
Isnt the vet minimum like $1.4M?? Thats the ballpark I recall. I dont think we could get either for less than $2M, especially DHB, but maybe Im overrating them fantasy wise vs NFL wise. DHB really turned a corner in 2011, looked like a complete and talented WR. IIRC he was banged up for much of last year with multiple injuries. Id certainly be interested to see what he could do with Ben.
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
Both guys are 4-year veterans, for whom the minimum is $715,000. In theory, they could both be signed for around $1.4M (I know they won't be.)
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
Arent Hunter and Hopkins both consensus Top 5-6 WRs (behind Patterson, Allen, Austin...along with Woods)?? Both might go in the 1st round, I dont think there's much of a chance theyre still available when our pick comes around in the 2nd. I really dont want to take a chance on Goodwin. He is a track star trying to be a football player, where as Austin looks like a football player with track speed.I havent been pimping him in here because I really hope we go defense in the 1st, but I would love to get
. He's simply electric in the open field, also has the size (6'3, 215) that we desperately need. I think the knock on his hands is overstated, from what I saw at the combine he also looked fine in that dept., and route running is something that can be improved/taught. Exceptional in the return game to boot.
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
Have to think no way we sign him but Ive always been a big fan.
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
Bout time. Although I do agree with those who have said with how small the space he creates is, plus the dead money, it sort of made sense to hold onto him.
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
Re: Goodwin and Austin, you're absolutely right. But that's why Austin is going mid-first in mock drafts while Goodwin is going in the 5th or 6th. In order to get Patterson (who I also like)or Austin, and probably Allen, Hopkins, or Hunter as well, they're going to have to burn pick #17 on a WR. Goodwin is a project, no doubt, but he looked good at the combine and at the Senior Bowl, enough so to potentially intrigue some people. Also, look at his NFL.com draft profile :Strengths
Pure speed offers Goodwin the ability to beat defenders to and around the corner. Frequently sent in motion, gives a moving start or free release. Continues to hand fight downfield while blocking, gets into it with his opposition. Not afraid to hands catch over the middle, between linebacker and safety, and has speed to burn and break away if hit in stride. Utilizes head fakes on routes, animated movements. Protects body after the catch after slant, goes down to the ground to absorb contact. Makes defenders miss with lateral moves on kick return. Runs with shoulders over toes when expecting contact.
Weaknesses
Fails to cut back upfield on jet sweeps, prefers to string them out to the sideline. Does not have the size to prevent defenders from crossing his face when awaiting targets in a short zone. Surprised by the pass too often, gets to him too quickly and struggles to turn head with hands at the ready. Limited route tree. Mostly targeted on quick screens and go routes. Struggles to avoid contact when dealing with physical coverage, and gets stuck vs. pressing corners at the line of scrimmage. Breaking routes are rounded with a lack of explosiveness. Open field cuts do not pick up much ground. Lacks the size and running style to stay up on first contact.
Who does that sound like to you? Yep, you guessed it :
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Kenny Powers
Footballguy
I just looked at walterfootball's current mock draft (my personal favorite every year), and he has Lacy going after us in the 2nd. This mock has him going only 2 picks before us. Assuming we dont sign one of these FA RB's, man, Id love to get him in the 2nd or move up a few picks if he's hanging around as I have a hard time thinking he falls past STL a couple picks ahead of us if SJax is gone.
Id have to think once Lacy has his pro day (wont be at Bama's because of injury), he'll be back to being projected as an early 2nd.
Id have to think once Lacy has his pro day (wont be at Bama's because of injury), he'll be back to being projected as an early 2nd.
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
I thought since the combine Goodwin was projected to possibly go in the 3rd. If we could get him in the 5th, Im perfectly fine with that.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
We can all relax now...
The Pittsburgh Steelers re-signed LB Greg Warren to an undisclosed one-year deal.
The Pittsburgh Steelers re-signed LB Greg Warren to an undisclosed one-year deal.
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
Were signing Bruce Gradkowski, Greg Warren, and David Johnson. Meanwhile, DEN is signing Wes Welker and NE is signing Amendola. I hope the rest of my Steeler nation brethren enjoy this offseason, because free agency and then the draft will be the highlight of the season. Its all downhill and frustration from there.
Honestly at this point, Id say its worth it to sign SJax to a 2 year deal just to give us the smallest of chances to compete with those teams.
Honestly at this point, Id say its worth it to sign SJax to a 2 year deal just to give us the smallest of chances to compete with those teams.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
LOL. Sorry Kenny but I wouldn't even want Amendola, especially for us and our style.Will his stats be force fed via Bradys proclivity to dink-dink-dunk-dunk? Maybe, but that doesn't change much.I have three good friends who are all Ram fans (California) and none of them even cared a tiny bit that Danny left.
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
Where did I say I think the Steelers should sign Amendola?!
The point of my post is that the best teams in the AFC - sans Ravens - are only getting better so far, while the Steelers are signing nobodies. We havent signed jack #### to improve the team, granted we dont have the cap room anyway.As for Amendola, he's too injury prone for my liking but he has talent. He wont be putting up Welker numbers in NE, but he is a perfect fit for them and that offense isnt going to miss much of a beat with Amendola in the fold. When he's on the field, at least.BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Patriots didn't get better. Ravens didnt get better. Texans? Colts? Chargers? Bengals?Broncos are off the chain right now. They don't compare to anyone else.And Cleveland had a ton of cap and nowhere to go but up. So they may have indeed gotten better.Where did I say I think the Steelers should sign Amendola?!
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Kenny Powers
Footballguy
When I say the best teams, I basically just mean NE and DEN. The Texans are the only other team who I might consider Top 10 in the NFL right now, NFC is much better than the AFC until proven otherwise (considering all the losses BAL is suffering, hard to really know what theyll be next year). And yeah, I dont think Amendola is an upgrade over Welker by a long shot, but I also think NE are head and shoulders better than any other team in the AFC besides DEN. If the BAL defense wasnt on fire in the playoffs, NE wouldve been in the Super Bowl. Now half that defense is no longer in Baltimore.The Steelers have a lot of catching up to do, and at least for 2014, I dont really think its possible to see this team in the AFC championship game. But hey, as long as we have #7 all hope isnt lost.Patriots didn't get better. Ravens didnt get better. Texans? Colts? Chargers? Bengals?Broncos are off the chain right now. They don't compare to anyone else.And Cleveland had a ton of cap and nowhere to go but up. So they may have indeed gotten better.Where did I say I think the Steelers should sign Amendola?!
Tyranny
Footballguy
on the Colon release;
The Steelers on Tuesday released guard Willie Colon with a June 1 designation and signed free agent quarterback Bruce Gradkowski.
The move to release Colon with the June 1 designation means the Steelers won't see the $5 million in savings until after June 1. But it also means they don't have to play the game of telling Colon not to show up at offseason workouts.
They can also move forward knowing they will have his money available in the future - likely to sign draft picks.
The Steelers on Tuesday released guard Willie Colon with a June 1 designation and signed free agent quarterback Bruce Gradkowski.
The move to release Colon with the June 1 designation means the Steelers won't see the $5 million in savings until after June 1. But it also means they don't have to play the game of telling Colon not to show up at offseason workouts.
They can also move forward knowing they will have his money available in the future - likely to sign draft picks.
JoeSteeler
Footballguy
Victor Butler visiting today. We do the Steelers stand cap wise right now?
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Godsbrother
Footballguy
To be honest I have no clue. Beanie Wells was in for a physical yesterday and Kellen Davis is due to visit as well. I guess they have enough cap space left to at least entertain the thought of signing a FA or two.
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
I think they're about $2.4M under at this point. They can easily spend that money since the $5.5M they'll get when Colon comes off the cap is more than enough to sign all their draft picks. In fact, they should have a couple million more in cap room after signing the entire draft class.Spending 2.4M on Gradkowski and Warren more than likely means Keenan Lewis is history. I thought they needed around $3-4M in first year cap space in order to accommodate his guaranteed proration.
The Hank
Footballguy
He's currently a UFA, his contract expired.
pghrob
Footballguy
Davis fits the mold of a Big Ben type of target. I recall he wanted a tall go get it target like Sweed. He now has Pope and Burress. With Heath status up in air, Davis could be another option.
Copeman
Footballguy
I know that. Didn't know if they had released him as most thought they would, and I missed it. That would save some money too.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Pope is an UFA and no longer with the team. Davis would be a big target but I believe drops were an issue with him in Chicago. Supposed to be a very good blocker though.I think Victor Butler would be a nice addition to compete for the starting OLB position and for depth.
The Hank
Footballguy
on all fronts here GB. Davis would be nice to have as a TE in 2/3 TE sets, possibly catch a token pass or 2 in the RZ.I read good things on Victor Butler, would be nice to bring into the fold. Seems like a traditional, under the radar, Steelers type signing.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
The Steelers secondary has improved dramatically with this signing
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
The amount of time Mundy has seen the field the past few years, however, illustrates how thin they are back there. It's a position that really needs to be addressed in the draft. Unfortunately, there are a whole bunch of those.
The Hank
Footballguy
If by some act of God Matt Elam was around in the early 2nd rd, I would trade whatever I could to trade up and get him (if I were Colbert)
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
I don't know if they can afford to trade up. An early 2nd round pick is going to fetch a nice price, we would either have to trade our 1st rounder next year or probably our 2nd and 3rd rounders this year and with all the holes to fill, I'm not sure we can afford to do that.
JoeSteeler
Footballguy
great
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Updating a previous report, Kansas City Chiefs CB Sean Smith agreed to terms on a three-year, $18 million contract that includes $11 million in guaranteed money.
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
Draft day needs :
S
CB
ILB
OLB
NT
WR
RB
TE
I don't think we even have that many picks. We still need to sign a couple more guys with that ~$2.5M we still have.
S
CB
ILB
OLB
NT
WR
RB
TE
I don't think we even have that many picks. We still need to sign a couple more guys with that ~$2.5M we still have.
Please See Mine
Footballguy
Is he pretty much done, then? Haven't heard his name mentioned on the FA lists.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Even if we did you aren't going to get starters or potential starters with every pick. Most immediate need (as the roster stands today) is at OLB, RB & TE. Assuming this doesn't change I think 3 of your top 4 picks will be these positions.Really, though, they do need all the positions you mentioned and could also use a DE.
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Evilgrin 72
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And a G. I left those two off, but it's possible they take a G in round 1. I don't see them devoting an early pick to DE since they've used 2 first-rounders on those 2 spots in the past few years.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
With the Ramon Foster signing I don't see them taking a G in the first couple of rounds unless one falls in their lap. They just have too many other pressing needs.
The Hank
Footballguy
wow!
Godsbrother
Footballguy
I dunno. Losing Wallace will hurt. Not having Heath Miller would be the biggest blow, if he starts the season on the PUP. They need to address the RB situation and so that has potential to be better (it was so bad last year it probably can'tget much worse). I do think this could be the best the offensive line the team has had in many years.On defense Harrison came around towards the end of the season but was still not the same -- Worilds has the potential to be an upgrade or downgrade -- we'll just have to see. I think Cortez Allen isn't much, if at all, of a downgrade to Keenan Lewis and Willie Gay provides some depth at CB. I like McClendon and thought he should have had more playing time than Hampton anyway.The key will be for Woodley to return to form and for the team, especially Polamalu and Ryan Clark, to stay healthy.So I think there is potential to be better but there are definitely some major concerns as well. Time will tell...'Plorfu said:
Evilgrin 72
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Don't be shocked if it happens. I think they're MUCH more comfortable having Foster and Beachum as swing guys to back up their starters. They have 0 depth on the line right now; they still need to re-sign Legursky to be the C/G guy, I think they'd be way more comfortable with a Chance Warmack or Jonathan Cooper at LG and keep Beachum and Foster as depth guys. If they feel like it represents the BPA, I think they wouldn't hesitate to go G. Think about how much potential an Adams-Warmack-Pouncey-DeCastro-Gilbert line has. I wouldn't put T or G on the "no fly" list in round 1 - in fact, I think they ONLY positions that they almost definitely won't draft in rd. 1 are C, QB, and DE.'Godsbrother said:
Godsbrother
Footballguy
An awful lot of money for a guy that appeared to be a bust for 3 years and unexpectedly bloomed last season. Good for him, though. I wish him the best in NOLA.
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
Cortez Allen, come on down !!!
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
I wish him herpes.
The Hank
Footballguy
Almost a spittake here at work reading that
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
Beanie left the facility w/o a contract and SJax just signed with the Rams. Unless they intend to pursue Bradshaw, looks like it's a TBD drafted RB, Redman, and Dwyer for next year.
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