*** 2013 Official Pittsburgh Steelers Off & ON Season Thread *** (1 Viewer)

[Kenny Powers]

The 49ers want to move up.

#17 = 950

#31 = 600

#61 = 292

#74 = 220

Fine by me. While we would have no shot at that pass rusher that I expect to be there at 17, I think this scenario gives them a lot more flexibility and makes it easier to go skill positions in the first few rounds.

 

[Godsbrother]

The 49ers want to move up.

#17 = 950

#31 = 600

#61 = 292

#74 = 220

Fine by me. While we would have no shot at that pass rusher that I expect to be there at 17, I think this scenario gives them a lot more flexibility and makes it easier to go skill positions in the first few rounds.

I would be fine with it as well but there are a lot of teams wanting to trade down so SF will find a lot of takers if they want to move up.

 

[pecorino]

For my money, Max Starks is the cumulative 3-year MVP of this team (aside from Big Ben). what other team can plug in a cheap LT every year, reclaimed from the proverbial scrap heap? it is just unprecedented and Max has been unfairly underrated and under appreciated. Cheers big boy!

Steelers haven't 'closed the door' on Casey Hampton or Max StarksChris Wesseling (9NFL.com)Free-agent nose tackle Casey Hampton's Pittsburgh Steelers future appeared to be over when the team signed Steve McLendon to a three-year contract last week. General manager Kevin Colbert said at Monday's pre-draft press conference, though, that he hasn't "closed the door" on re-signing Hampton or tackle Max Starks.

If they dont sign anyone else come June, Id love for them to bring Starks back. Really I wouldnt mind both, but it seems like every yr for the past 5, the OL is in shambles at multiple points in the season, so Id prefer the OL depth.

Max has literally kept us playoff contenders when we started running into issues the past couple years,

 

[Evilgrin 72]

Another possibility is trading their 1st and 3rd for #31 and #34. Then, they could conceivably draft, say, Lacy and one of the top receivers (Hopkins maybe) with those two picks, grab a pass rusher in the 2nd as they seem to like to do (Simon, Lemonier, maybe even Moore if he plummets) and then get a safety in the 4th (Williams, McDonald) and depth picks in the 5th-7th.

 

[moondog]

The 49ers want to move up.

#17 = 950

#31 = 600

#61 = 292

#74 = 220

Fine by me. While we would have no shot at that pass rusher that I expect to be there at 17, I think this scenario gives them a lot more flexibility and makes it easier to go skill positions in the first few rounds.

I would be fine with it as well but there are a lot of teams wanting to trade down so SF will find a lot of takers if they want to move up.

"According to Adam Schefter of ESPN, five teams have made calls about trading down in the first round of the NFL Draft.

Those teams reportedly are: The Philadelphia Eagles, the Detroit Lions, the Cleveland Browns, the Buffalo Bills and the Miami Dolphins."

No way SF gives a 1, 2, and 3 for the 17th pick. They could move to the Dolphins pick at 12 for that.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

If Colbert believes this and has no ammo to move up in round 1 if one of the 8 or so impact prospects they've identifies falls into the Steelers range, why ooh why did they match Sanders?? They could have had a 3rd and signed DHB (who only signed a 1 year $3M with $1.5M guaranteed) or Brandon Lloyd (still unsigned) or a number of others to replace a deep threat. Baffles me.

After an offseason in which they have already lost five starters and likely will part ways with at least two more, the Steelers will need every one of their eight draft choices to help replace those players.

Colbert said they cannot afford to trade one away in order to move up from the 17th overall spot they occupy in the draft.

"I doubt we'll move up," Colbert said. "The more picks we have, the better, in this draft particularly. This draft in particular, there's nice quality available in [rounds] two through four as well."

The NFL draft does not have the usual number of marquee players at the top of the first round, but Colbert believes there is enough talent in the second and third rounds that the Steelers expect to find starters in those rounds.

But he also said the Steelers will get a "quality player" when it's their turn to pick in the first round. But he and coach Mike Tomlin do not think that player needs to come in and be an immediate contributor.


Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/sports/steelers/kevin-colbert-its-doubtful-steelers-make-a-move-before-nfl-draft-684613/#ixzz2RIh9KUqP

 

[Godsbrother]

If Colbert believes this and has no ammo to move up in round 1 if one of the 8 or so impact prospects they've identifies falls into the Steelers range, why ooh why did they match Sanders?? They could have had a 3rd and signed DHB (who only signed a 1 year $3M with $1.5M guaranteed) or Brandon Lloyd (still unsigned) or a number of others to replace a deep threat. Baffles me.

After an offseason in which they have already lost five starters and likely will part ways with at least two more, the Steelers will need every one of their eight draft choices to help replace those players.

Colbert said they cannot afford to trade one away in order to move up from the 17th overall spot they occupy in the draft.

"I doubt we'll move up," Colbert said. "The more picks we have, the better, in this draft particularly. This draft in particular, there's nice quality available in [rounds] two through four as well."

The NFL draft does not have the usual number of marquee players at the top of the first round, but Colbert believes there is enough talent in the second and third rounds that the Steelers expect to find starters in those rounds.

But he also said the Steelers will get a "quality player" when it's their turn to pick in the first round. But he and coach Mike Tomlin do not think that player needs to come in and be an immediate contributor.

Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/sports/steelers/kevin-colbert-its-doubtful-steelers-make-a-move-before-nfl-draft-684613/#ixzz2RIh9KUqP

Colbert was saying today that it was a case of the known vs unknown. They think that Sanders is ready to step up and be a starting WR and keeping him was preferable to not knowing who would be available with the 91st pick. Colbert said that if they somehow could know who would be available at 91 their decision might be different.

He went on to say they believe there is a chance they can sign Sanders to an extension before the 2013 season or to a new contract in 2014 but if he signs elsewhere they will still get a compensatory pick in return.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

If Colbert believes this and has no ammo to move up in round 1 if one of the 8 or so impact prospects they've identifies falls into the Steelers range, why ooh why did they match Sanders?? They could have had a 3rd and signed DHB (who only signed a 1 year $3M with $1.5M guaranteed) or Brandon Lloyd (still unsigned) or a number of others to replace a deep threat. Baffles me.

After an offseason in which they have already lost five starters and likely will part ways with at least two more, the Steelers will need every one of their eight draft choices to help replace those players.

Colbert said they cannot afford to trade one away in order to move up from the 17th overall spot they occupy in the draft.

"I doubt we'll move up," Colbert said. "The more picks we have, the better, in this draft particularly. This draft in particular, there's nice quality available in [rounds] two through four as well."

The NFL draft does not have the usual number of marquee players at the top of the first round, but Colbert believes there is enough talent in the second and third rounds that the Steelers expect to find starters in those rounds.

But he also said the Steelers will get a "quality player" when it's their turn to pick in the first round. But he and coach Mike Tomlin do not think that player needs to come in and be an immediate contributor.

Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/sports/steelers/kevin-colbert-its-doubtful-steelers-make-a-move-before-nfl-draft-684613/#ixzz2RIh9KUqP

Colbert was saying today that it was a case of the known vs unknown. They think that Sanders is ready to step up and be a starting WR and keeping him was preferable to not knowing who would be available with the 91st pick. Colbert said that if they somehow could know who would be available at 91 their decision might be different.

He went on to say they believe there is a chance they can sign Sanders to an extension before the 2013 season or to a new contract in 2014 but if he signs elsewhere they will still get a compensatory pick in return.

I hear you. Maybe Sanders emerges. But what is known thus far about him isn't anything special. DHB is the same age, bigger, and faster, and could have been had for a similar price, plus the 3rd round pick.

 

[BWill]

Dwyer > Chris ivory... I don't get why he gets so much hate.

We all know he took himself out of possessions last year! we all know mendenhall AND redman were taking time from him. We all know his defects everyone points out, instead of focusing on positives. Dude averaged 4 yards a carry. What more do you want?

his opportunity to be the Pittsburgh steelers RB is an opportunity most people don't get.

If he shows up in shape, which I can almost guarantee he will, (his wife and kids are there to motivate him) he IS going to get the start, and I really think he's going to produce.

Call me crazy, or whatever you want.

I AM the guy who traded Charles lee for Larry Johnson, who gave me two of my 3 championships in my 20 team dynasty league.

I can spot good opportunity and predict good production when I see it coming. I am Rain man.

 

[Fiddles]

Can we draw a line in the sand with the manny #####ing? Rear view mirror man.

 

[Godsbrother]

Dwyer > Chris ivory... I don't get why he gets so much hate.We all know he took himself out of possessions last year! we all know mendenhall AND redman were taking time from him. We all know his defects everyone points out, instead of focusing on positives. Dude averaged 4 yards a carry. What more do you want?his opportunity to be the Pittsburgh steelers RB is an opportunity most people don't get.If he shows up in shape, which I can almost guarantee he will, (his wife and kids are there to motivate him) he IS going to get the start, and I really think he's going to produce.Call me crazy, or whatever you want.I AM the guy who traded Charles lee for Larry Johnson, who gave me two of my 3 championships in my 20 team dynasty league.I can spot good opportunity and predict good production when I see it coming. I am Rain man.

Okay. You are crazy.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Can we draw a line in the sand with the manny #####ing? Rear view mirror man.

Sorry. Colbert's quote just rubbed me wrong.

 

[treat88]

I think Sanders fits what Haley wants to do on offense far moreso than a guy like DHB....let alone the unknown of what might be available in the draft.Short area quicks and RAC based yards are really the prerequisites to production in the short/intermediate passing game that is so heavily emphasized in his schemes.Sanders is very strong in those areas, assuming he can stay healthy. Throw in being a very physical, capable run blocker and it's no wonder he is considered more valuable than a 3rd round unknown.

His health has certainly limited him to date. No doubt. However, I think him not being healthy and him not being a very talented WR are getting confused

 

[Cookiemonster]

Seeing more and more mocks with Eifert going to the Steelers. I absolutely love the kid and his talent. TE is a position of 'need' but not as big as some others. If they go strictly BPA, Eifert might be the guy. And in Haley's offense, could be a superstar...but I do agree we have much bigger needs elsewhere.

Reading between the lines of Colbert and Tomlin's pre-draft presser, it seems as thought they feel the TE position "is set" with signings of Spaeth, David Johnson, and with existing depth of Paulson until Heath Miller is ready to return. Maybe a smokescreen, but I tend to believe that sentiment that they wont draft that position.

I'd be very surprised if they did. With all the other need, I certainly think they need to look elsewhere. That said, if they did get him, I'm pretty certain he'd be a big addition. Too much of a luxury at this point.

Yeah, while I would love to have him, we are in no position to be taking a TE in the 1st rounds. Way to many other holes, and we already have a Pro Bowl caliber TE on the roster - granted, not for the beginning of the season in all likelihood, but I think because of the type of player he is and what makes him successful, Heath has a lot of years left.

Typically, TEs begin their steep decline at 31 or 32. Heath will be 31 midway through the season and is coming off of a serious injury. TE also (like WR) takes 2-3 years to really develop. If you are trying to fill holes as they become holes, he would be a good fit and would give us a very nice "12" personnel group for a year or two, masking a lack of WRs. 2 birds with 1 stone. I'm equally good with a top OLB or S or CB or NT. Lots of holes...

Pretty much agree here. Eifert makes a lot of sense if he lasts until 17.Only thing I'd disagree with is the "nice 12" set. The 1 part of that set is just awful. Hopefully that also changes shortly.

I'm thinking a Zac Stacy or Christine Michael in the 3rd or 4th looks very nice.

 

[5-ish Finkle]

Stacy, who I like, can probably be had even a little later. Seems like he is criminally underrated....which probably means he'll be a second rounder.

 

[moondog]

Doom and Gloom!!!111111

I like to think I'm not a rahrah homer but some yinzers (not specifically on this board, I see it elsewhere too) are going off the deep end.

Also, if someone sees the #s on Deebo's Bunghole contract, please post them here.

According to Joe Reedy of the Cincinnati Enquirer, Harrison signed a two-year deal with the Bengals worth a total of $4.45 million. That's less than what Harrison would have reportedly received in one year with the Steelers.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

Doom and Gloom!!!111111

I like to think I'm not a rahrah homer but some yinzers (not specifically on this board, I see it elsewhere too) are going off the deep end.

Also, if someone sees the #s on Deebo's Bunghole contract, please post them here.

According to Joe Reedy of the Cincinnati Enquirer, Harrison signed a two-year deal with the Bengals worth a total of $4.45 million. That's less than what Harrison would have reportedly received in one year with the Steelers.

Oooof. Good call, Silverback.

 

[Franknbeans]

Lolley's final mock...

17. Pittsburgh, Xavier Rhodes, CB, Florida State – With Jones gone, the Steelers will wait on an OLB prospect. Cordarrelle Patterson is too raw, and this draft is deep in receivers. Kenny Vaccarro would be a consideration, but Rhodes can play corner or safety. Others to consider: Vacarro; Patterson; Arthur Brown, LB, Kansas State; DeAndre Hopkins, WR, Clemson

 

[Godsbrother]

Doom and Gloom!!!111111

I like to think I'm not a rahrah homer but some yinzers (not specifically on this board, I see it elsewhere too) are going off the deep end.

Also, if someone sees the #s on Deebo's Bunghole contract, please post them here.

According to Joe Reedy of the Cincinnati Enquirer, Harrison signed a two-year deal with the Bengals worth a total of $4.45 million. That's less than what Harrison would have reportedly received in one year with the Steelers.

Oooof. Good call, Silverback.

Yep. What a doofus. Supposedly the Steelers offer was over $4.5 million with incentives to possibly reach $6.75 million. James can paint it any way he wants but he and/or his agent really, really screwed up.

 

[JoeSteeler]

James Harrison's two-year contract with the Bengals is worth a total of $4.45 million.

Harrison got a $1.2M signing bonus, a $100,000 workout bonus and per-game roster bonuses that could total $300,000 this season. It adds up to a maximum payout of $3 million in 2013, or $1.5 million less than he would have gotten from the Steelers if he accepted their original offer of a 30 percent pay cut. Pride didn't pay off for Harrison. Apr 24 - 12:15 PM

 

[Kenny Powers]

So with the Harrison contract, I take it he had too much "pride" to even consider coming back and asking what the Steelers would offer him now? (or 6-8 weeks from now)

 

[Kenny Powers]

Lolley's final mock...

17. Pittsburgh, Xavier Rhodes, CB, Florida State – With Jones gone, the Steelers will wait on an OLB prospect. Cordarrelle Patterson is too raw, and this draft is deep in receivers. Kenny Vaccarro would be a consideration, but Rhodes can play corner or safety. Others to consider: Vacarro; Patterson; Arthur Brown, LB, Kansas State; DeAndre Hopkins, WR, Clemson

Why is it that Rhodes has dropped so much recently? Post-combine, seemed like he was guaranteed gone by the 13th pick. Recently in mocks Ive seen him fall to mid-20's in mocks. Dont know much about him, but based on my posts the last couple months clearly Id love another legit CB

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

I've probably said it before .... Lolley is good for news, things that he sees or hears. He's not very good at prognosticating.

 

[moondog]

Lolley's final mock...

17. Pittsburgh, Xavier Rhodes, CB, Florida State – With Jones gone, the Steelers will wait on an OLB prospect. Cordarrelle Patterson is too raw, and this draft is deep in receivers. Kenny Vaccarro would be a consideration, but Rhodes can play corner or safety. Others to consider: Vacarro; Patterson; Arthur Brown, LB, Kansas State; DeAndre Hopkins, WR, Clemson

Why is it that Rhodes has dropped so much recently? Post-combine, seemed like he was guaranteed gone by the 13th pick. Recently in mocks Ive seen him fall to mid-20's in mocks. Dont know much about him, but based on my posts the last couple months clearly Id love another legit CB

I read he is a straight press corner who aggressively jams and that style does not fit with every teams defensive plan. Take it with a grain of salt - opinions on players tend to ping-pong up and down the closer the draft is.

 

[treat88]

So with the Harrison contract, I take it he had too much "pride" to even consider coming back and asking what the Steelers would offer him now? (or 6-8 weeks from now)

He already went back to them. They told him that they had moved on from him in no uncertain terms. Love the guy, but he and his agent haven't been the sharpest knives in the drawer this off season.

 

[Godsbrother]

For what it is worth here is my 7-round prediction for the Steelers draft:

Round 1: Jarvis Jones, LB, Georgia

Round 2: Jonathan Franklin, RB, UCLA

Round 3: D.J. Swearinger, FS, S. Carolina

Round 4: Aaron Dobson, WR, Marshall

Round 5: Khaled Holmes, C/G, Southern California

Round 6: Michael Mauti, LB, Penn State

Round 6: Aaron Mellete, WR, Elon

Round 7: Vince Williams, LB, FSU

 

[5-ish Finkle]

I've probably said it before .... Lolley is good for news, things that he sees or hears. He's not very good at prognosticating.

+100

Likes to parse his blog anytime he's remotely questioned, even cordially, about certain items too. Don't care that much, it's his blog he can do what he wants, buuuut.....yeah.

If you read him a lot it's pretty clear he doesn't watch a ton of CFB.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

For what it is worth here is my 7-round prediction for the Steelers draft:

Round 1: Jarvis Jones, LB, Georgia

Round 2: Jonathan Franklin, RB, UCLA

Round 3: D.J. Swearinger, FS, S. Carolina

Round 4: Aaron Dobson, WR, Marshall

Round 5: Khaled Holmes, C/G, Southern California

Round 6: Michael Mauti, LB, Penn State

Round 6: Aaron Mellete, WR, Elon

Round 7: Vince Williams, LB, FSU

I like it.

 

[The Hank]

For what it is worth here is my 7-round prediction for the Steelers draft:

Round 1: Jarvis Jones, LB, Georgia

Round 2: Jonathan Franklin, RB, UCLA

Round 3: D.J. Swearinger, FS, S. Carolina

Round 4: Aaron Dobson, WR, Marshall

Round 5: Khaled Holmes, C/G, Southern California

Round 6: Michael Mauti, LB, Penn State

Round 6: Aaron Mellete, WR, Elon

Round 7: Vince Williams, LB, FSU

I did one too:

1st Round, 17th Selection (#17 OVR) – OLB Jarvis Jones (University of Georgia)

2nd Round, 16th Pick (#48 OVR) –WR Keenan Allen (CAL)

3rd Round, 17th Pick (#79 OVR) – RB Christine Michael (TAMU)

4th Round, 18th Pick (#115 OVR) – S Sharmarko Thomas (Syracuse)

5th Round, 17th Pick (#150 OVR) – QB Zac Dysert (Miami of OH)

6th Round, 18th Pick (#186 OVR) – WR Charles Johnson (Grand Valley St)

6th Round, 38th Pick (#206 OVR) – ILB Michael Mauti (PSU)

7th Round, 17th Pick (#223 OVR) – S Rontez Miles (California of PA)

 

[Godsbrother]

For what it is worth here is my 7-round prediction for the Steelers draft:

Round 1: Jarvis Jones, LB, Georgia

Round 2: Jonathan Franklin, RB, UCLA

Round 3: D.J. Swearinger, FS, S. Carolina

Round 4: Aaron Dobson, WR, Marshall

Round 5: Khaled Holmes, C/G, Southern California

Round 6: Michael Mauti, LB, Penn State

Round 6: Aaron Mellete, WR, Elon

Round 7: Vince Williams, LB, FSU

I did one too:

1st Round, 17th Selection (#17 OVR) – OLB Jarvis Jones (University of Georgia)

2nd Round, 16th Pick (#48 OVR) –WR Keenan Allen (CAL)

3rd Round, 17th Pick (#79 OVR) – RB Christine Michael (TAMU)

4th Round, 18th Pick (#115 OVR) – S Sharmarko Thomas (Syracuse)

5th Round, 17th Pick (#150 OVR) – QB Zac Dysert (Miami of OH)

6th Round, 18th Pick (#186 OVR) – WR Charles Johnson (Grand Valley St)

6th Round, 38th Pick (#206 OVR) – ILB Michael Mauti (PSU)

7th Round, 17th Pick (#223 OVR) – S Rontez Miles (California of PA)

Aside from the QB pick I this better than mine.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

For what it is worth here is my 7-round prediction for the Steelers draft:

Round 1: Jarvis Jones, LB, Georgia

Round 2: Jonathan Franklin, RB, UCLA

Round 3: D.J. Swearinger, FS, S. Carolina

Round 4: Aaron Dobson, WR, Marshall

Round 5: Khaled Holmes, C/G, Southern California

Round 6: Michael Mauti, LB, Penn State

Round 6: Aaron Mellete, WR, Elon

Round 7: Vince Williams, LB, FSU

I did one too:

1st Round, 17th Selection (#17 OVR) – OLB Jarvis Jones (University of Georgia)

2nd Round, 16th Pick (#48 OVR) –WR Keenan Allen (CAL)

3rd Round, 17th Pick (#79 OVR) – RB Christine Michael (TAMU)

4th Round, 18th Pick (#115 OVR) – S Sharmarko Thomas (Syracuse)

5th Round, 17th Pick (#150 OVR) – QB Zac Dysert (Miami of OH)

6th Round, 18th Pick (#186 OVR) – WR Charles Johnson (Grand Valley St)

6th Round, 38th Pick (#206 OVR) – ILB Michael Mauti (PSU)

7th Round, 17th Pick (#223 OVR) – S Rontez Miles (California of PA)

Aside from the QB pick I this better than mine.

Given the Steelers recent issues with some character problems, I don't see Christine Michael being taken by them. Although they did bring him in for a visit.

Christine Michael, RB Texas A&M

5-10, 220 pounds

Hometown: Beaumont, TX

STATS

NFL Combine:

40 time: 4.54

10-yard split: 1.51

225-pound bench: 27 reps

Vertical: 43″

News and Notes:

Talented player with some character concerns and medical issues … Never eclipsed 1,000 yards in a season at A&M … Led the team in rushing as a freshman … Best season came in 2011 when he racked up 899 yards on the ground and averaged six yards per carry … Averaged at least 4.7 yards per carry all four years … Suffered a torn ACL in Nov. 2011 … Suffered a broken leg Nov. 2010 … Was in A&M head coach Kevin Sumlin’s doghouse as a senior … Performed very well at the NFL Scouting Combine but overslept and missed two team interviews … 2009 Big 12 Offensive Freshman of the Year … 2009 Walter Payton Trophy winner, given to the most athletic high school football player in the country.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

OK, here's my Steelers mock. I'm using a draft engine to make the rest of the selections, so I am only going with who is available under those auspices at each pick (just so I am not biased and make selections for other teams based on who I want to see fall for us..)

1. Jesse Williams, NT, Alabama - a (very) slight reach, but the Steelers are not afraid to take a player they like. I think this guy is an ideal fit for them. For one, he anchored the line for a national champ, and the Steelers love to draft guys from successful programs. Two, he has nimble feet and tremendous strength - profiles as the draft's best two-gap nose, but could also theoretically slide out to the 5-technique if for whatever reason he can't handle the middle, so he's not a "boom or bust" pick as many 3-4 NT prospects are. McClendon is signed to a deal that's likely a 2-year deal and Ta'Amu has size and talent but it doesn't appear he has the drive and maturity to inherit this pivotal spot in the LeBeau defense.

2. Khaseem Greene, ILB/OLB, Rutgers - a versatile LB with a nose for the ball and big plays, Greene is a better football player than he is a pure athlete. I think his best fit is as a weak-side guy in a 4-3, but frankly, I've watched every game he's ever played and I think he can succeed anywhere. His transition from S to LB showed rapid improvement, as evidenced by his back-to-back Big East DPOY awards. He's an outstanding pursuit linebacker that plays best covered-up, so he's not a great scheme fit (but neither was/is Sean Spence) but the guy flat makes plays. He can do a little of everything - rush the passer when he has a lane, drop back into coverage and stick with RBs/TEs, or lay the lumber on a back who gets across the line in run support. I have it on good authority that the Steelers have expressed strong interest while keeping said interest largely off the national radar.

3. Marquise Goodwin, WR, Texas - look, I've picked this guy to the Steelers in round 3 in both Shark Pool mocks, so I'm not stopping now. This guy is a day 3 prospect in the minds of many and if the Steelers do take him here, the word "reach" will be thrown around quite a bit. However, if they draft a receiver on day 1 or 2, what they're going to be looking to replace is Wallace's dimension to the offense. There's probably no closer comparison to Wallace in this draft than Goodwin. Slightly undersized? Check. Very little collegiate production? Check. Impressive post-season/Senior Bowl performance? Check. Blinding, top-of-the-class speed? Check. I know he's a project, but the Steelers contstantly make a point of saying they don't expect rookies to contribute immediately except on special teams. This guy replaces Wallace's speed dimension, gives Haley the bubble screen/end-around/gadget play guy he loves to have, can contribute as a return guy right away. I hear a lot of chatter that teams looking for the next Wallace are zeroing in on this cat and that he won't last until Saturday.

4. Shawn Williams, S, Georgia - doesn't have great hands and isn't much of a ball-hawk, but can lay the wood as a run-supporter and is a gritty and competitive guy. Sounds a hell of a lot like Ryan Clark, the guy he'd be replacing. An underrated player who was overshadowed by a few others on his own defense at Georgia that I'm not convinced will be better pros.

5. Joseph Randle, RB, Oklahoma St. - here's a guy whose stock seems to be slipping and whose name is not being mentioned as a possible day 1 or 2 pick. Polarizing prospect who some hate and others think can be Adrian-Peterson (very) Lite in the NFL. He has the production in college to back up those that like him, he has adequate speed and wiggle, even if he's not a pile-moving kind of back. If we retain Dwyer or Redman, though, we already have that. He's a guy that can be had on day 3 that can take limited carries and learn from an Ahmad Bradshaw, and has the upside to be a starter and at least a 2-down feature TB in a year or two.

6. Travis Johnson, OLB, San Jose State - developmental prospect at OLB if Worilds doesn't pan out. Way undersized and is likely to get manhandled by bigget NFL tackles, but he does have quickness and is a relentless, high motor, intelligent player. An Eagle Scout and high character guy, you can bet on one thing, he will bust his butt to become an NFL player. Strictly a 3-4 OLB, he won't be in as high demand, but has some upside this late.

6 (comp). Corey Fuller, WR, West Virginia - I've seen Fuller go as high as the 4th in some mocks, so I doubt he's still here in the late 6th, but in this case, he was. Weak, undeveloped, and a huge question mark, those concerns could possibly push him this low. He does have excellent raw athletic ability and a good size/speed ratio at 6'2" and 4.4. A project to be sure, but one worth taking on this late.

7. Johnny Adams, CB, Michigan St - a tough kid with limited size and speed but plays with a mean streak and is a solid tackler. Profiles as a slot corner only but could make the roster.

 

[5-ish Finkle]

and Ta'Amu has size and talent but it doesn't appear he has the drive

Interesting choice of words.

I don't think we should even use Ta'amu's name any more, just the following series of emoticons:

 

[Evilgrin 72]

By the way, this isn't necessarily what I would do, it's more what I think they might do. I looked at the positions that are being held down by aging starters or guys on or at the final years of their contracts (NT, ILB, RB, WR, S, OLB) and went with best available player within those spots. Still would have liked to get a TE in there, but the value didn't exist in the first couple of round and beyond that, I'm not sure anyone available is any better than a replacement-level TE like Spaeth or Paulson.

 

[Idiot Boxer]

For what it is worth here is my 7-round prediction for the Steelers draft:

Round 1: Jarvis Jones, LB, Georgia

Round 2: Jonathan Franklin, RB, UCLA

Round 3: D.J. Swearinger, FS, S. Carolina

Round 4: Aaron Dobson, WR, Marshall

Round 5: Khaled Holmes, C/G, Southern California

Round 6: Michael Mauti, LB, Penn State

Round 6: Aaron Mellete, WR, Elon

Round 7: Vince Williams, LB, FSU

For what it is worth here is my 7-round prediction for the Steelers draft:

Round 1: Jarvis Jones, LB, Georgia

Round 2: Jonathan Franklin, RB, UCLA

Round 3: D.J. Swearinger, FS, S. Carolina

Round 4: Aaron Dobson, WR, Marshall

Round 5: Khaled Holmes, C/G, Southern California

Round 6: Michael Mauti, LB, Penn State

Round 6: Aaron Mellete, WR, Elon

Round 7: Vince Williams, LB, FSU

Mauti and Mallete in the 6th would be amazing.

 

[5-ish Finkle]

Mauti's leg is currently falling off, IIRC.

 

[JoeSteeler]

Link to draft engine?

 

[Godsbrother]

By the way, this isn't necessarily what I would do, it's more what I think they might do. I looked at the positions that are being held down by aging starters or guys on or at the final years of their contracts (NT, ILB, RB, WR, S, OLB) and went with best available player within those spots. Still would have liked to get a TE in there, but the value didn't exist in the first couple of round and beyond that, I'm not sure anyone available is any better than a replacement-level TE like Spaeth or Paulson.

Interesting mock, EG. I haven't seen anyone picking the Steelers to go NT in the first round. They obviously need depth there (actually they need depth at every position on defense) but I think the most pressing needs are at OLB and S (either SS or FS). You can also never have enough talent at corner. I will be surprised if they go NT in the first round.

I also think they'll take a RB earlier than the 5th. There is no guarantee they be able to work out a deal for Bradshaw, Wells or Stephen-Howlings and none of those guys are long term answer anyway. And we know they aren't going into the season with Dwyer, Redman and Batch.

 

[Kenny Powers]

Mauti's leg is currently falling off, IIRC.

Yeah, as a PSU fan, I liked him and he was a very good college LB, but I dont want the Steelers to take him. He will be a waste of a pick.

 

[Franknbeans]

I have read that Jones likely won't be there @ 17.

 

[apalmer]

OK, here's my Steelers mock. I'm using a draft engine to make the rest of the selections, so I am only going with who is available under those auspices at each pick (just so I am not biased and make selections for other teams based on who I want to see fall for us..)

5. Joseph Randle, RB, Oklahoma St. - here's a guy whose stock seems to be slipping and whose name is not being mentioned as a possible day 1 or 2 pick. Polarizing prospect who some hate and others think can be Adrian-Peterson (very) Lite in the NFL. He has the production in college to back up those that like him, he has adequate speed and wiggle, even if he's not a pile-moving kind of back. If we retain Dwyer or Redman, though, we already have that. He's a guy that can be had on day 3 that can take limited carries and learn from an Ahmad Bradshaw, and has the upside to be a starter and at least a 2-down feature TB in a year or two.

It may be the Pitt fan in me, but I'd rather see them take Ray Graham than Randle...especially if they're taking his brother in Round 2 as you predict.

 

[Idiot Boxer]

OK, here's my Steelers mock. I'm using a draft engine to make the rest of the selections, so I am only going with who is available under those auspices at each pick (just so I am not biased and make selections for other teams based on who I want to see fall for us..)

5. Joseph Randle, RB, Oklahoma St. - here's a guy whose stock seems to be slipping and whose name is not being mentioned as a possible day 1 or 2 pick. Polarizing prospect who some hate and others think can be Adrian-Peterson (very) Lite in the NFL. He has the production in college to back up those that like him, he has adequate speed and wiggle, even if he's not a pile-moving kind of back. If we retain Dwyer or Redman, though, we already have that. He's a guy that can be had on day 3 that can take limited carries and learn from an Ahmad Bradshaw, and has the upside to be a starter and at least a 2-down feature TB in a year or two.

It may be the Pitt fan in me, but I'd rather see them take Ray Graham than Randle...especially if they're taking his brother in Round 2 as you predict.

If we're waiting on a RB, I'd rather have Zac Stacy, Knile Davis or Cierre Wood.

 

[Godsbrother]

I have read that Jones likely won't be there @ 17.

He may not make it past the Jets and Saints but many mocks have him as being available. You just never know which is what makes the NFL draft so interesting...

 

[Idiot Boxer]

Have yet to decide what position selection will cause my head to explode.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

By the way, this isn't necessarily what I would do, it's more what I think they might do. I looked at the positions that are being held down by aging starters or guys on or at the final years of their contracts (NT, ILB, RB, WR, S, OLB) and went with best available player within those spots. Still would have liked to get a TE in there, but the value didn't exist in the first couple of round and beyond that, I'm not sure anyone available is any better than a replacement-level TE like Spaeth or Paulson.

Interesting mock, EG. I haven't seen anyone picking the Steelers to go NT in the first round. They obviously need depth there (actually they need depth at every position on defense) but I think the most pressing needs are at OLB and S (either SS or FS). You can also never have enough talent at corner. I will be surprised if they go NT in the first round. I also think they'll take a RB earlier than the 5th. There is no guarantee they be able to work out a deal for Bradshaw, Wells or Stephen-Howlings and none of those guys are long term answer anyway. And we know they aren't going into the season with Dwyer, Redman and Batch.

I have read that Jones likely won't be there @ 17.

And therein lies the rub. When I project for the Steelers, I do it differently than I would other teams. I try to project their starting 22 two or three years down the road and identify spots where I have big ?? as need positions, then try to pick BPA among those spots. I think they're kind of in a no-man's land at #17 this year, as I feel this draft is 13-14 deep with truly lead-pipe cinch 1st round talents, so unless we get a couple of shocker picks (come on Nassib, come on EJ Manuel) those elite guys aren't going to fall to #17. Which hamstrings them the other way as well, as it's going to be really tough to trade down with a team looking to get back up into round 1, based on the required compensation to move from the 30s all the way to #17. I think those teams will be looking to move to the mid 20s, so it may be very hard for them to go down.Which leaves them in an awkward spot, and why I projected Jesse Williams to them. It's a future need (and potentially an immediate need - imagine if McClendon tears an ACL) and the only opportunity based on what was left to draft a guy who's the clear cut #1 at his position. They could take a chance on a guy like Patterson or draft someone like Cyprien or Elam if they like one of those guys enough, but in this mock - Eifert, Jones, Mingo, Austin, Cooper, Warmack, all the tackles - all those guys were gone. Might they consider a guy like Bjoern Werner? Depends if they think he can fit into a 3-4. Rhodes? Possibly, if they think he fits their scheme. I just feel like there's really no great pick for them there unless Jones or Mingo somehow drops to #17.

 

[5-ish Finkle]

Have yet to decide what position selection will cause my head to explode.

Oh, how very, very, bitter the irony will be if you decide that it's OL.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

Idiot Boxer, on 25 Apr 2013 - 13:07, said:

apalmer, on 25 Apr 2013 - 12:53, said:

Evilgrin 72, on 25 Apr 2013 - 11:21, said:OK, here's my Steelers mock. I'm using a draft engine to make the rest of the selections, so I am only going with who is available under those auspices at each pick (just so I am not biased and make selections for other teams based on who I want to see fall for us..)5. Joseph Randle, RB, Oklahoma St. - here's a guy whose stock seems to be slipping and whose name is not being mentioned as a possible day 1 or 2 pick. Polarizing prospect who some hate and others think can be Adrian-Peterson (very) Lite in the NFL. He has the production in college to back up those that like him, he has adequate speed and wiggle, even if he's not a pile-moving kind of back. If we retain Dwyer or Redman, though, we already have that. He's a guy that can be had on day 3 that can take limited carries and learn from an Ahmad Bradshaw, and has the upside to be a starter and at least a 2-down feature TB in a year or two.

It may be the Pitt fan in me, but I'd rather see them take Ray Graham than Randle...especially if they're taking his brother in Round 2 as you predict.

If we're waiting on a RB, I'd rather have Zac Stacy, Knile Davis or Cierre Wood.

I like all of those guys as prospects, but for the many publications down on Randle, there are those that think he can be the 2nd or 3rd best RB in this entire class. If memory serves, NFL.com has a second round grade on him, but he was still there in the mid 5th here. Value/need intersection drove that pick.

 

[Idiot Boxer]

Have yet to decide what position selection will cause my head to explode.

Oh, how very, very, bitter the irony will be if you decide that it's OL.

Considered it.

 

[5-ish Finkle]

Not a fan of upright runners, myself, and that's Randle all over. Reminds me of a less explosive Jerious Norwood. Built like a wideout. He'll probably make a really nice CoP back though.

 

[Kenny Powers]

For what it is worth here is my 7-round prediction for the Steelers draft:

Round 1: Jarvis Jones, LB, Georgia

Round 2: Jonathan Franklin, RB, UCLA

Round 3: D.J. Swearinger, FS, S. Carolina

Round 4: Aaron Dobson, WR, Marshall

Round 5: Khaled Holmes, C/G, Southern California

Round 6: Michael Mauti, LB, Penn State

Round 6: Aaron Mellete, WR, Elon

Round 7: Vince Williams, LB, FSU

I did one too:

1st Round, 17th Selection (#17 OVR) – OLB Jarvis Jones (University of Georgia)

2nd Round, 16th Pick (#48 OVR) –WR Keenan Allen (CAL)

3rd Round, 17th Pick (#79 OVR) – RB Christine Michael (TAMU)

4th Round, 18th Pick (#115 OVR) – S Sharmarko Thomas (Syracuse)

5th Round, 17th Pick (#150 OVR) – QB Zac Dysert (Miami of OH)

6th Round, 18th Pick (#186 OVR) – WR Charles Johnson (Grand Valley St)

6th Round, 38th Pick (#206 OVR) – ILB Michael Mauti (PSU)

7th Round, 17th Pick (#223 OVR) – S Rontez Miles (California of PA)

Aside from the QB pick I this better than mine.

You probably like it, because to me, that looks like a best case scenario, cross your fingers that that player falls to that pick, in basically every round. I would say absolutely no way Keenan Allen is there in the 2nd. The others are plausible if not possible, but like I said, cross your fingers.