BigSteelThrill
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I had read that Adams was stoning Woodley every time they match up. He was also stoning everyone else, but Adams and Woodley are matched up a ton.
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*** 2013 Official Pittsburgh Steelers Off & ON Season Thread *** (1 Viewer)
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AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
Curtis Brown carted off with an ankle injury today. 
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
Glad to hear this. I really like what I saw on Williams tape and what Butler said after the draft. His biggest knock was coverage. Glad to hear this and think he has a legit shot at making the team.Lutherman2112 said:
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
The only pick I didnt like this year. Shouldnt haunt us, but maybe a couple of the guys we passed on will.
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
I'll keep banging the drum until proven otherwise, but we really needed to bring back Keenan Lewis.Curtis Brown carted off with an ankle injury today.
Where was that 25 million coming from?I'll keep banging the drum until proven otherwise, but we really needed to bring back Keenan Lewis.Curtis Brown carted off with an ankle injury today.
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
He isnt getting paid $25 mill this year, right? Im not Omar Khan, but I think it was definitely feasible to re-sign Lewis.Where was that 25 million coming from?I'll keep banging the drum until proven otherwise, but we really needed to bring back Keenan Lewis.Curtis Brown carted off with an ankle injury today.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Its always going to be hard for the middle round rookie QB to outshine the 5 year NFL vet at the quarterback position.
At the same time, if you dont take shots on the middle round QB showing some talent and hoping one of them eventually earns/learns his way, you are stuck investing the 1st round pick. Or the top five pick of round 2 at the latest.
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
I dont disagree, but Jones couldve been an UDFA and we get him anyway. Combine that with the fact that good players were available when we picked him (I cant recall exactly 4 months later right now, but I think some good DBs were there still), and it was a stupid pick.
3C's
Footballguy
$26.3 million with $10.5 million in guarantees, including a $6 million signing bonus. Cap hit of about $2.5M. That's more than they were willing to spend for him. They felt Allen was going to be better. If Brown develops and Gay plays well there's no reason to pay a ransom for Lewis. Impossible to predict injuries.He isnt getting paid $25 mill this year, right? Im not Omar Khan, but I think it was definitely feasible to re-sign Lewis.Where was that 25 million coming from?I'll keep banging the drum until proven otherwise, but we really needed to bring back Keenan Lewis.Curtis Brown carted off with an ankle injury today.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
There was no need to draft him any higher than 6 if at all. Dysert went in the 7th and Bray went undrafted and both were rated higher than Landry. Obviously the Steelers saw something in Landry that they liked but taking him in the 4th was a reach.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Lutherman2112
Footballguy
According to Dale Lolley the Steelers released a depth chart in advance of their first preseason game.
Not sure how accurate this is, but here's a link:
http://www.ourlads.com/nfldepthcharts/depthchart/PIT
ETA: couldn't find a depth chart that matched Lolley's comments on steelers.com
Not sure how accurate this is, but here's a link:
http://www.ourlads.com/nfldepthcharts/depthchart/PIT
ETA: couldn't find a depth chart that matched Lolley's comments on steelers.com
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Kenny Powers
Footballguy
Its $25.55 mill total actually. Who knows what the Steelers thought he was worth or how his contract wouldve been structured had they signed him, but a cap hit of $2.25M wouldve been easy to fit in for this year, and his 2014 cap hit of $4.55M is reasonable as well. I expect us to have more wiggle room with the cap come 2015 as well based on older players. While I also am high on Cortez and how quickly he has shown that raw potential and turned it into skill, I think theyre counting on him far too much at this point, or for at least this season all things considered. IMO, keeping or letting Lewis go shouldve been more weighted on Ike than Cortez. Who knows when Ike hits the wall, but Im guessing he plays 3 more years max, and is a UFA in 2015 anyway. His contract is coming off the books right when Lewis' Saints deal goes up a bit.$26.3 million with $10.5 million in guarantees, including a $6 million signing bonus. Cap hit of about $2.5M. That's more than they were willing to spend for him. They felt Allen was going to be better. If Brown develops and Gay plays well there's no reason to pay a ransom for Lewis. Impossible to predict injuries.He isnt getting paid $25 mill this year, right? Im not Omar Khan, but I think it was definitely feasible to re-sign Lewis.Where was that 25 million coming from?I'll keep banging the drum until proven otherwise, but we really needed to bring back Keenan Lewis.Curtis Brown carted off with an ankle injury today.
For comparison on Lewis' contract or annual salary, similarly paid CBs are Greg Toler, Richard Marshall, Sheldon Brown, Sean Smith, Cary Williams, DRC, Josh Wilson, Chris Houston, Orlando Scandrick, Derek Cox. Houston, Scandrick, and Cox's contracts plus guaranteed money are very similar to what Lewis got. Lewis is about the same age as most of these guys or younger, and IMO is as good or better than all of them, and has improved every year.
We hardly needed to pay a "ransom" for Keenan Lewis to keep him a Steeler.
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Kenny Powers
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I listened to an Bouchette interview (Vinnie and Cook on the Fan) today, and while he didnt say Jones has looked bad, he said he thought Bell, Wheaton, and Shamarko were outperforming him.
Also contrary to Wexell's opinion that was posted yesterday on Ta'amu, he said he might have trouble making the team.
3C's
Footballguy
Well, lets speak relative to their positions. Bell was pretty much penciled in to his spot since the competition really isn't much. Jones however is up against a high draft pick who is the assumed starter. Wheaton is a player and though he won't start he'll get plenty of playing time. Same for Shamarko (I hope he doesn't need to start this year).
Here's recent tweets on Jones. Kaboly: Jarvis Jones just put on a clinic to end practice. Time for the rookie to graduate from third team. Prisuta: This Jarvis Jones kid can play a little bit. link
Those first 4 picks are really good and will be playing a lot this year.
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
I understand the positional differences, especially when it comes down to Bell, just saying what I heard from Bouchette. Glad to hear others think Jarvis is tearing it up, not only as our 1st round pick, but because I dont trust/believe in Worilds as a full time starter.
Also with out lack of depth at CB, and the fact that Shamarko shadowed Robert Woods in their game vs USC last year, Im wondering if/ hoping that they give Shamarko some reps at CB.
I wouldnt mind a response to my last post regarding Keenan Lewis either
Also with out lack of depth at CB, and the fact that Shamarko shadowed Robert Woods in their game vs USC last year, Im wondering if/ hoping that they give Shamarko some reps at CB.
I wouldnt mind a response to my last post regarding Keenan Lewis either
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3C's
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I heard Shamarko has seen some time in nickel packages. Might be lack of CB's or that he's really fast and can cover.I understand the positional differences, especially when it comes down to Bell, just saying what I heard from Bouchette. Glad to hear others think Jarvis is tearing it up, not only as our 1st round pick, but because I dont trust/believe in Worilds as a full time starter.
Also with out lack of depth at CB, and the fact that Shamarko shadowed Robert Woods in their game vs USC last year, Im wondering if/ hoping that they give Shamarko some reps at CB.
I wouldnt mind a response to my last post regarding Keenan Lewis either
As far as Lewis, obviously I can't read their minds but it would appear that the asking price was more than the Steelers front office was willing to give. They felt last year that Cortez was going to pass Keenan but Keenan held on by a thread. Most of the year last year the defensive backfield didn't create turnovers. Insert Cortez late last year and BAM! Five forced turnovers in a 3 game stretch. There was little doubt that Cortez was going to pass Keenan this year (unless injured). Why pay $2.xM (and $26M total) for a backup?
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
Because a #3 CB is basically a starter, and Ike is nearing his end and Lewis would be a starter likely before he was even halfway into this contract because of that. Its a passing league.I heard Shamarko has seen some time in nickel packages. Might be lack of CB's or that he's really fast and can cover.I understand the positional differences, especially when it comes down to Bell, just saying what I heard from Bouchette. Glad to hear others think Jarvis is tearing it up, not only as our 1st round pick, but because I dont trust/believe in Worilds as a full time starter.
Also with out lack of depth at CB, and the fact that Shamarko shadowed Robert Woods in their game vs USC last year, Im wondering if/ hoping that they give Shamarko some reps at CB.
I wouldnt mind a response to my last post regarding Keenan Lewis either
As far as Lewis, obviously I can't read their minds but it would appear that the asking price was more than the Steelers front office was willing to give. They felt last year that Cortez was going to pass Keenan but Keenan held on by a thread. Most of the year last year the defensive backfield didn't create turnovers. Insert Cortez late last year and BAM! Five forced turnovers in a 3 game stretch. There was little doubt that Cortez was going to pass Keenan this year (unless injured). Why pay $2.xM (and $26M total) for a backup?
Instead were stuck with Willie Gay, and guys who arent even near as good as him
3C's
Footballguy
We like to pick on Gay but he has 5 career ints to Lewis' 1 (0 last year while starting). And Lewis dropped one last year that could have sealed a win vs Tenn. That win would get them in the playoffs. Lewis was also reportedly asking $35M from the Steelers. He really isn't much (if at all) better than Gay and Gay came in at $1.1M. Bigger issue than Gay is the rest of the bunch, Brown in particular. He has to progress or they have to cut bait. He's in his 3rd year (I think) and he was a 3rd rounder. He should be starter capable by now and I wonder if he'll make the team (will because of ST and not much behind him).Because a #3 CB is basically a starter, and Ike is nearing his end and Lewis would be a starter likely before he was even halfway into this contract because of that. Its a passing league.I heard Shamarko has seen some time in nickel packages. Might be lack of CB's or that he's really fast and can cover.I understand the positional differences, especially when it comes down to Bell, just saying what I heard from Bouchette. Glad to hear others think Jarvis is tearing it up, not only as our 1st round pick, but because I dont trust/believe in Worilds as a full time starter.
Also with out lack of depth at CB, and the fact that Shamarko shadowed Robert Woods in their game vs USC last year, Im wondering if/ hoping that they give Shamarko some reps at CB.
I wouldnt mind a response to my last post regarding Keenan Lewis either
As far as Lewis, obviously I can't read their minds but it would appear that the asking price was more than the Steelers front office was willing to give. They felt last year that Cortez was going to pass Keenan but Keenan held on by a thread. Most of the year last year the defensive backfield didn't create turnovers. Insert Cortez late last year and BAM! Five forced turnovers in a 3 game stretch. There was little doubt that Cortez was going to pass Keenan this year (unless injured). Why pay $2.xM (and $26M total) for a backup?
Instead were stuck with Willie Gay, and guys who arent even near as good as him
Here's another opinion on why losing Lewis is not a big deal. link
3C's
Footballguy
Well this is interesting. And Plax got hurt today.
Mark Kaboly @MarkKaboly_Trib 41m
Moye and Plax are same size and Moye has been better
Mark Kaboly @MarkKaboly_Trib 41m
Moye and Plax are same size and Moye has been better
Steel Dillo
Footballguy
I think Plax's injury makes it more likely the Steelers keep Justin Brown. He's got great hands, height, is an aggressive blocker & can contribute on special teams.
3C's
Footballguy
Now this is funny (and why I thought Plax wouldn't/shouldn't make the team)
Mark Kaboly @MarkKaboly_Trib 7h
WR who were having better camps than Plax: Derek Moye, Justin Brown, David Gilreath, JD Woods, Kashif Moore, AB, Sanders, Wheaton, Cotchery
Mark Kaboly @MarkKaboly_Trib 7h
WR who were having better camps than Plax: Derek Moye, Justin Brown, David Gilreath, JD Woods, Kashif Moore, AB, Sanders, Wheaton, Cotchery
3C's
Footballguy
Godsbrother
Footballguy
If he tore his rotator cuff then he is likely done as a player. I wasn't convinced he was going to make the team anyway. Looking forward to seeing some of these rookies on Saturday night.
3C's
Footballguy
His biggest asset was as a mentor to the young guys (stop laughing, I know how weird that sounds). I suppose he could still do that if they IR him. Not so much if they injured release him.If he tore his rotator cuff then he is likely done as a player. I wasn't convinced he was going to make the team anyway. Looking forward to seeing some of these rookies on Saturday night.
I am too looking forward to seeing the young guys. Want to see the OL (first and young backups). Here's a great blurb on Wheaton. (TB is a guy who might know a thing or 2, Tim Brown).
MD: What young wide receiver have you seen in the league that maybe hasn’t burst onto the scene that we should keep an eye out for?
TB: “If you had asked me that about 4-5 weeks ago I would’ve told you [Philadelphia Eagles WR] Jeremy Maclin. He is a guy that I was very high on and love watching him play, love watching his game. At this particular point I don’t know who that guy would be. It seems like all the middle-aged and older guys are taking over.”
“I’ll tell you a guy who I think is going to be fantastic for the Pittsburgh Steelers: Markus Wheaton. This guy, I believe, is going to really, really light it up. I think he is going to be able to replace [Mike Wallace]. I’ve read some articles already where the Pittsburgh media is raving about his training camp and everything that he has done so far. Keep your eye on this kid. I worked out with him back in February or March and it is just incredible to see this kid run routes, catch balls and do the things that he is capable of doing.
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
I could see Moye beating them out. I dont really care who wins it though as long as whoever does is productive whenever theyre on the field.
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
I didnt mind bringing Gay back, and said as much when we did because I like him as a depth guy, but also said signing him should not making bringing Lewis back any less of a priority. Im fine with Gay being our nickel or dime CB, I want nothing to do with him as a starter covering guys on the outside though. While turnovers are always nice, Id want my CB to prevent completed passes from occurring more than anything. See Ike Taylor. I thought Lewis was getting better every year. Either you are much higher on Gay than me, or you arent giving Lewis the credit he deserved. You have to be kidding me that Lewis isnt any better than Gay. There is a reason one guy just got a 5yrs/$25.5M with $10.5 guaranteed and other got 3yrs/$4.5M with $500K guaranteed.We like to pick on Gay but he has 5 career ints to Lewis' 1 (0 last year while starting). And Lewis dropped one last year that could have sealed a win vs Tenn. That win would get them in the playoffs. Lewis was also reportedly asking $35M from the Steelers. He really isn't much (if at all) better than Gay and Gay came in at $1.1M. Bigger issue than Gay is the rest of the bunch, Brown in particular. He has to progress or they have to cut bait. He's in his 3rd year (I think) and he was a 3rd rounder. He should be starter capable by now and I wonder if he'll make the team (will because of ST and not much behind him).Because a #3 CB is basically a starter, and Ike is nearing his end and Lewis would be a starter likely before he was even halfway into this contract because of that. Its a passing league.I heard Shamarko has seen some time in nickel packages. Might be lack of CB's or that he's really fast and can cover.I understand the positional differences, especially when it comes down to Bell, just saying what I heard from Bouchette. Glad to hear others think Jarvis is tearing it up, not only as our 1st round pick, but because I dont trust/believe in Worilds as a full time starter.
Also with out lack of depth at CB, and the fact that Shamarko shadowed Robert Woods in their game vs USC last year, Im wondering if/ hoping that they give Shamarko some reps at CB.
I wouldnt mind a response to my last post regarding Keenan Lewis either
As far as Lewis, obviously I can't read their minds but it would appear that the asking price was more than the Steelers front office was willing to give. They felt last year that Cortez was going to pass Keenan but Keenan held on by a thread. Most of the year last year the defensive backfield didn't create turnovers. Insert Cortez late last year and BAM! Five forced turnovers in a 3 game stretch. There was little doubt that Cortez was going to pass Keenan this year (unless injured). Why pay $2.xM (and $26M total) for a backup?
Instead were stuck with Willie Gay, and guys who arent even near as good as him
Here's another opinion on why losing Lewis is not a big deal. link
I got a bad feeling about these CBs if Ike and Cortez the Killer arent healthy. Im crossing my fingers we can survive this season with them and invest our 1st or 2nd pick on a CB next year.
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
Spaeth out 8-10 weeks with the dreaded lis franc injury. Any chance they still have Eric Green's pager number?!
3C's
Footballguy
I have confidence in Paulson (in the receiving game) and they brought in some blocking type TEs. Heath will be back sooner than later.
JoeSteeler
Footballguy
Bell not playing.that sucks
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
Healthy scratch I take it?
I knew the starters werent getting more than a couple series, but he was the guy I wanted to see most out of that bunch.
AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
NFLN said "sore knee". dunno wtf that's about.
JoeSteeler
Footballguy
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
Time for another new ST coach
AhrnCityPahnder
Yinz-o-riffic
Cromartie-Smith better have had a seizure on that blocked punt. That play is going to give Rahim Moore a solid challenge for the worst play of the decade.
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
LSH looks good. I can only think most of those touches were gonna be Bell's and he was a big part of the gameplan while the 1st team was out there, but LSH is gonna do damage this year.
As someone who has dealt with the Skins in DC for years, I am not looking forward to see this trend throughout the year.
Gawain
Footballguy
Much rather see LSH in a third and long role than Redman or Dwyer forcing a timeshare. Redman got one carry and Dwyer still looks pedestrian, so as an interested observer because of Bell, this has been a fairly good outcome given the circumstances.
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
Sylvester to the locker room. That didnt look good. Hopefully nothing worse than a mild MCL sprain.
Kenny Powers
Footballguy
The Steelers run blocking is 1 of the only things on a short list of positives I saw from the starters on either side of the ball. LSH squeezed through a couple small holes, but biggest positive sign from this game is improved run blocking. The ZBS is looking nice here.
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