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*** 2013 Official Pittsburgh Steelers Off & ON Season Thread *** (1 Viewer)

2 games back!
Stop it. Don't act like Cowboys and Redskins fans.

That win was nice but it doesn't mean anything. If they beat the Lions and go 4-6 then MAYBE you can think about it but even then you are mildly delusional
Even if they do beat Detroit (which is unlikely) I just don't see this team being capable of putting together a string of victories. I think at best we're looking at 6-10, maybe 7-9 if we don't suffer any more major injuries and get a few breaks.

That said, there is nothing wrong in hoping and praying -- this is the NFL and anything can happen. :towelwave:

 
Heyward continues to look impressive. Timmons continues to play well. Is he the best player in the NFL that no one has ever heard of? The dude just doesn't get many props. Woodley has been having a nice year as well. All others on that side of the ball have been inconsistent, game to game. Defense played great, alas it was against a rookie QB, but Buffalo does have a very good running game, an area the Steelers totally shut down.

Offense looked good except for in the red zone. Need to score more TD's and less FG's. Do not like some of the play-calling still, but at least they are moving the ball with a little consistency.

Keep Brown on the return team. He is explosive back there.

At least there are some bright spots coming from this dreadful season thus far.

 
If Buffalo ends up with a higher draft pick than the Steelers because of this game Im gonna be pissed.
Not me. I can't root against the Steelers. Even in a losing season my Mondays are a little better coming after a Steelers win.
I never root against the Steelers, but the 2013 season is a lost cause so I would much prefer we lose than win at this point, especially against a team like Buffalo who may very well end up with fewer wins than the Steelers and get a better draft pick.

At this point, Im watching each Steelers game looking more at the future anyway - who is improving, who hasnt showed any reason to bring them back, who might be worth cutting after the year, etc.

Obviously were on a FF site, but I cant remember ever caring more about my FF teams than what the Steelers are doing or what to expect next week. Theyre a trainwreck.

 
Ian Rappaport on 93.7 The Fan coming up as I write this to discuss the Ben rumors.
I heard this. Not much to it really -- Ben is frustrated but never has said he wants traded. The Steelers supposedly fielded one phone call last off season from a team inquiring about a trade for Ben. Nothing came of it and the Steelers were never shopping Ben around. The Steelers official statement is they do not have any plans to trade Ben.

Rappaport's source said there will be changes to the Steelers offensive coaching staff after the season is over. Ummm, you don't have to be Einstein to figure that one out.

 
If Buffalo ends up with a higher draft pick than the Steelers because of this game Im gonna be pissed.
Not me. I can't root against the Steelers. Even in a losing season my Mondays are a little better coming after a Steelers win.
I never root against the Steelers, but the 2013 season is a lost cause so I would much prefer we lose than win at this point, especially against a team like Buffalo who may very well end up with fewer wins than the Steelers and get a better draft pick.

At this point, Im watching each Steelers game looking more at the future anyway - who is improving, who hasnt showed any reason to bring them back, who might be worth cutting after the year, etc.

Obviously were on a FF site, but I cant remember ever caring more about my FF teams than what the Steelers are doing or what to expect next week. Theyre a trainwreck.
Oh I understand but I still love 'em. I understand that a 3-13 season would yield higher draft picks but that doesn't guarantee great players and there is certainly a psychological hit to being that bad. I know it is stupid but I would rather see them get on a roll in the second half and have something to build on.

Having said that I think our 1 game winning streak comes to an end this week against the Lions.

 
Shamarko has a high ankle sprain and will be out Sunday. Several others with bumps and bruises who will have to be monitored as the week goes on.

 
Shamarko has a high ankle sprain and will be out Sunday. Several others with bumps and bruises who will have to be monitored as the week goes on.
I thought that I had read that Ramon Foster has a high ankle sprain as well
He does --most of the beat writers are insinuating he is going to miss next week -- Guy Whimper will step in at LG
I don't know if it is just me used to poor offensive line play but it seems to me that Whimper has played surprisingly well given his reputation when signed by the Steelers.

 
Shamarko has a high ankle sprain and will be out Sunday. Several others with bumps and bruises who will have to be monitored as the week goes on.
I thought that I had read that Ramon Foster has a high ankle sprain as well
He does --most of the beat writers are insinuating he is going to miss next week -- Guy Whimper will step in at LG
I don't know if it is just me used to poor offensive line play but it seems to me that Whimper has played surprisingly well given his reputation when signed by the Steelers.
Agreed -- He supplanted an OL (I forget who) in the running game a few weeks ago and looked competent (which is an upgrade compared to what we are accustomed to seeing this yeear)

 
Kenny Powers said:
If Buffalo ends up with a higher draft pick than the Steelers because of this game Im gonna be pissed.
Not me. I can't root against the Steelers. Even in a losing season my Mondays are a little better coming after a Steelers win.
I never root against the Steelers, but the 2013 season is a lost cause so I would much prefer we lose than win at this point, especially against a team like Buffalo who may very well end up with fewer wins than the Steelers and get a better draft pick.

At this point, Im watching each Steelers game looking more at the future anyway - who is improving, who hasnt showed any reason to bring them back, who might be worth cutting after the year, etc.

Obviously were on a FF site, but I cant remember ever caring more about my FF teams than what the Steelers are doing or what to expect next week. Theyre a trainwreck.
Agreed - a godawfultrainwreck that kills my soul..and my wifes..and my son's...

But remember the one smart thing Coach Edwards ever said. "We play to win the game" And that shall not need explanation.

So now we need to beat the Lion's. That is all.

Aaron Rodgers - 24th Overall Pick

Tom Brady - 6th Round Compensatory

Tony Romo - Undrafted

Arian Foster - undrafted

MJD - Pick 60

This list is not hard to fill out at other positions.

It's quite hard to instill a winning philosophy.

BEAT

THE

LIONS

Pressure stafford but don't let bush kill ya...megatron will get his

 
Sidenote - correct me if I'm wrong.

We used to do the following things regularly.

Stop the run.

Then

Blitz and punish the QB for holding the ball.

Else - punish the WR.

Or both.

We crafted an offense that was not that susceptible to that strategy..

And only Brady/Bellichek ever beat that w/ any real consistency.

But now the rule's don't really allow much of that.

Hmmmmm

 
They don't stop the run like they used to because Steve McClendon and Vince Williams are a far cry from Casey Hampton & James Farrior. Woodley is having a decent year but they aren't getting pressure from the other side like they did when James Harrison was there. Ike may have lost a step, Troy is trying to do too much and Clark can no longer cover for him when Troy gambles and is wrong.

They still have some good players on defense but will get exposed against a good offense and even some bad ones. The Lions have an explosive offense so the Steelers better put up at least 28 points or more. It would also really help if the offense could generate a good running game to keep the Lions offense (and Steelers defense) off the field.

I really don't like this matchup at all. The only thing going for the Steelers this week is the game is at home and on a slow turf.

 
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This matchup is very poor for Pittsburgh. They don't have anyone who can deal with Johnson(not many do) and if Bush gets in space vs. these LBs, save Timmons, he's going to be a problem.

Have to try and grind it out to keep the ball away from Stafford. He'll take shots and give it away sometimes, but Pittsburgh has shown no proclivity to get takeaways. Better to limit the Detroit offenses chances as much as possible.

 
Nfl network nfl films portrait of pride last night had 20 minutes on Charlie Batch. Was excellent. Catch it if you can.

 
The one thing the Steelers have going for them this week is the HDIOSC. That stands for Home Dog Indoor/Outdoor Surface Change. It's a gambling strategy my old boss and mentor dreamed up and I refined back in the 90s. When you have a home underdog and the road team plays on turf in a dome and the home team outdoors on grass (or vice versa) - the home team covers more often than not. Over a span of about 5-6 years, we played every instance we could find (some weeks there are none, we've seen as many as 3-4 in one week sometimes) and won roughly 72% of our bets. I don't recall the last time the Steelers were on the home end of this rule.

With the advent of FieldTurf and retractable domes, this strategy became less common and less effective over the years and eventually we stopped playing it. But this is a true, old-school HDIOSC game. I give the Steelers a real chance.

 
I'm not completely throwing in the towel on this season until the Steelers have 9 losses. Right now, the Bengals lead the division and are only 2 up in the loss column and they've lost Atkins and Hall and suddenly look eminently beatable. The Jets (believe it or not) currently hold the second wildcard spot and we're only 2 games back of them with a tiebreaker in hand. I know there are a few teams to leapfrog and not a lot of time to do it, but look at the remaining schedule..

Lions, Dolphins, Bengals, Browns at home. All winnable games - Lions being the best team of the 4 right this minute. If they can beat Detroit (big if, but not impossible) they can beat Cincinnati right now. I think they'll beat Cleveland and Miami at home.

On the road : Baltimore, Cleveland, Green Bay. Now, the GB game is a huge X factor. If this is Green Bay with Rodgers, forget it. If it's Seneca Wallace, Matt Flynn, or Tolzien - suddenly that becomes a winnable game. In fact, I can't imagine the Steelers being more than a 3-4 point dog in any of those three games (again, assuming Rodgers is still out.)

Granted, I concede that not much this year has shown this team being capable of putting any kind of win streak together, nor beating mediocre teams like Baltimore or Cleveland on the road. What I'm saying is that in this year's AFC, it appears 9 wins may get you into the playoffs, and even 8 wins could possibly do it. I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility, no matter how unlikely, that this team could win 5 or 6 of those 7 games. Stranger things have happened.

 
I'm not completely throwing in the towel on this season until the Steelers have 9 losses. Right now, the Bengals lead the division and are only 2 up in the loss column and they've lost Atkins and Hall and suddenly look eminently beatable. The Jets (believe it or not) currently hold the second wildcard spot and we're only 2 games back of them with a tiebreaker in hand. I know there are a few teams to leapfrog and not a lot of time to do it, but look at the remaining schedule..

Lions, Dolphins, Bengals, Browns at home. All winnable games - Lions being the best team of the 4 right this minute. If they can beat Detroit (big if, but not impossible) they can beat Cincinnati right now. I think they'll beat Cleveland and Miami at home.

On the road : Baltimore, Cleveland, Green Bay. Now, the GB game is a huge X factor. If this is Green Bay with Rodgers, forget it. If it's Seneca Wallace, Matt Flynn, or Tolzien - suddenly that becomes a winnable game. In fact, I can't imagine the Steelers being more than a 3-4 point dog in any of those three games (again, assuming Rodgers is still out.)

Granted, I concede that not much this year has shown this team being capable of putting any kind of win streak together, nor beating mediocre teams like Baltimore or Cleveland on the road. What I'm saying is that in this year's AFC, it appears 9 wins may get you into the playoffs, and even 8 wins could possibly do it. I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility, no matter how unlikely, that this team could win 5 or 6 of those 7 games. Stranger things have happened.
That's called being a fan. Do more with less. Rarely do you have more.

 
Good win especially how awful the defense was in the 1st half

Now lets beat the Browns next week so we can actually have a season. 4-6 doesn't mean #### to me. 5-6 and I will start :towelwave:

 
If Buffalo ends up with a higher draft pick than the Steelers because of this game Im gonna be pissed.
Not me. I can't root against the Steelers. Even in a losing season my Mondays are a little better coming after a Steelers win.
I never root against the Steelers, but the 2013 season is a lost cause so I would much prefer we lose than win at this point, especially against a team like Buffalo who may very well end up with fewer wins than the Steelers and get a better draft pick.

At this point, Im watching each Steelers game looking more at the future anyway - who is improving, who hasnt showed any reason to bring them back, who might be worth cutting after the year, etc.

Obviously were on a FF site, but I cant remember ever caring more about my FF teams than what the Steelers are doing or what to expect next week. Theyre a trainwreck.
Agreed - a godawfultrainwreck that kills my soul..and my wifes..and my son's...

But remember the one smart thing Coach Edwards ever said. "We play to win the game" And that shall not need explanation.

So now we need to beat the Lion's. That is all.

Aaron Rodgers - 24th Overall Pick

Tom Brady - 6th Round Compensatory

Tony Romo - Undrafted

Arian Foster - undrafted

MJD - Pick 60

This list is not hard to fill out at other positions.

It's quite hard to instill a winning philosophy.

BEAT

THE

LIONS

Pressure stafford but don't let bush kill ya...megatron will get his
Hmmm

I guess I got lucky?

What I take from this is Ben and HOF.

The next thing I take.

BEAT

THE

BROWNS.

 
Tied for 2nd in the division and only 1 game out of a wild card berth. This is one weird season.
Yes indeed. The Steelers have two big divisional road games, one on a short week. They are certainly capable of winning either or both or going on a skid and losing both. It should be interesting.

Really nice win yesterday. I was giddy when we went up 14-0 and then 17-3 but was deflated when the Lions put up 27 in the 2nd quarter. You really have to give credit to the coaching staff for making adjustments and the players for not quitting when it would have been easy to do so. Also give credit to the fans that stuck it out for the whole game. My grandson;s christening was yesterday so I had to sell my tickets or else I would have been there to the end (I never leave early no what the score or weather conditions). What a great victory -- it must have been a blast.

A couple observations:

* The Steelers continued to have problems in the red zone. I didn't agree with all the plays called but the main issue yesterday was lack of execution. On the first two red zone drives they had easy TD catches dropped and on the other Ben missed a wide open Paulson in the back of the end zone. Three times they settled for FGs when TDs were in their grasp.

* The one thing I will take issue with though is when the Steelers get near the goal line and run the ball they bring in 2 TEs and use a closed formation and try to pound the ball up the middle where the entire defense is stacked. They just don't have the personnel to pull this off. Much better to bring in a couple receivers and line them up wide to loosen things up again. This is exactly what they did on their 4th and I attempt and Dwyer was able to get a couple yards easily.

* We always knew that Ike Taylor has stone hands but my Lord he is bad. He had several attempts for picks but one in particular hit him right in the numbers. I am pretty sure that had Stafford walked over to Ike and handed him the ball that he would have dropped it. That was a huge play as the Lions ended up scoring a TD on that drive.

* I'll also beat on Ike to trying to tackle Megatron up high. Johnson is too big and strong for that and just brushed him aside. You got to go for the legs and try to wrap him up to have any chance. I will say that as bad as Ike looked in the 2nd quarter he did a nice job in the 2nd half and made a beautiful play jumping a route near the goal line and may have had a pick 6 if he doesn't (naturally) drop the ball. He was also unfairly flagged for PI against Megatron IMO. They were both shoving within 5 yards and Megatron was pushing off quite a bit yesterday.

* A big reason why the Steelers won was the fact the defense generated 3 turnovers and the Steelers offense had none. You can blame the Steelers woes on a lot of things and be right but the biggest factor so far this season has been turnovers.

* I was really worried when I heard that Woodley and Keisel were out for this game but Worilds, Jones, and even Ziggy stepped up and had nice games.

* Last season the Steelers defense really improved when Will Allen took over for Mundy. I was surprised and disappointed when he signed with the Cowboys. I am so glad the Cowboys let him go and the Steelers picked him back up. I don't think it is a coincidence that the Steelers have looked much better on defense in the 2 weeks he's been back. Yesterday he led the team with 7 tackles, had an interception and forced a fumble.

* The Steelers o-line didn't have a great day run blocking but did a nice job protecting Ben. Ben was only sacked once and actually had some time to get set. Not bad considering the entire line was either limited or unable to practice last Wednesday.

* It was nice to see Wheaton get some time out there getting some PT. Don't think Sanders was missed much.

 
However improbable it may be, if we can somehow beat Cleveland and Baltimore on the road the next 2 weeks, we're very likely to be looking at a scenario where, with 4 games to play, the Steelers will be in the 6th spot in the AFC, with 3 of the last 4 games at home. As top-heavy as the AFC is this year, 8-8 could very easily be good enough - we just have to win conference games, particularly ones against those teams that we're likely to be facing off with for that playoff spot (Baltimore, Cleveland, Miami.) 4-2 in the last 6, especially if the losses come to Green Bay and Cincinnati, very possibly means playoffs. Amazing.

 
All the positives listed above regarding the game and comeback are true, but if DET kicks a FG instead of running a fake, the game is likely different. I don't know what they were thinking there, but I'll take it.

 
It's nice to see the Steelers with a shot to make the playoffs but even if that happens, this team has way too many holes to make a serious run. I guess anything is possible but it would be an absolute miracle for this team to win a superbowl this year. If that isn't possible, shouldn't we be hoping that management understands that the team needs to be in rebuild mode? I'm worried that the facade of a playoff appearance may convince management that change isn't needed. With that said, playoffs is always fun.

 
It's nice to see the Steelers with a shot to make the playoffs but even if that happens, this team has way too many holes to make a serious run. I guess anything is possible but it would be an absolute miracle for this team to win a superbowl this year. If that isn't possible, shouldn't we be hoping that management understands that the team needs to be in rebuild mode? I'm worried that the facade of a playoff appearance may convince management that change isn't needed. With that said, playoffs is always fun.
Changes are definitely coming regardless on what the 2013 team does. Just look at Baltimore -- they are a very different team this year even after winning the Super Bowl last season.

The salary cap, free agency, and Father Time will all force changes. If the Steelers somehow do make a run down the stretch it will mean that some of the young players are paying dividends and I don't see how that could be a bad thing.

 
It's nice to see the Steelers with a shot to make the playoffs but even if that happens, this team has way too many holes to make a serious run. I guess anything is possible but it would be an absolute miracle for this team to win a superbowl this year. If that isn't possible, shouldn't we be hoping that management understands that the team needs to be in rebuild mode? I'm worried that the facade of a playoff appearance may convince management that change isn't needed. With that said, playoffs is always fun.
Once playoffs start, anything can happen. Just ask the Giants.

That said, I can't see how changes aren't coming either way. I can't imagine that Haley is back next season for one.

 
It's nice to see the Steelers with a shot to make the playoffs but even if that happens, this team has way too many holes to make a serious run. I guess anything is possible but it would be an absolute miracle for this team to win a superbowl this year. If that isn't possible, shouldn't we be hoping that management understands that the team needs to be in rebuild mode? I'm worried that the facade of a playoff appearance may convince management that change isn't needed. With that said, playoffs is always fun.
Changes are definitely coming regardless on what the 2013 team does. Just look at Baltimore -- they are a very different team this year even after winning the Super Bowl last season.

The salary cap, free agency, and Father Time will all force changes. If the Steelers somehow do make a run down the stretch it will mean that some of the young players are paying dividends and I don't see how that could be a bad thing.
That's a good point. Although if the Steelers somehow make the playoffs, I have a feeling most of the credit should go to Ben

 
All the positives listed above regarding the game and comeback are true, but if DET kicks a FG instead of running a fake, the game is likely different. I don't know what they were thinking there, but I'll take it.
Perhaps but it would have only put the Lions up by 7 and there was lots of time left. The fumble didn't exactly give the Steelers great field position (they started the drive on the 3 yard line) and drove the ball and scored a TD which would have tied the game.

Anybody's game at that point and the Steelers clearly had the momentum after the TD. No doubt a big play but not sure it really would have made much of a difference since the Steelers held Detroit to a 3 and out after the 97-yard drive and then scored a TD on their next possession.

 
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It's nice to see the Steelers with a shot to make the playoffs but even if that happens, this team has way too many holes to make a serious run. I guess anything is possible but it would be an absolute miracle for this team to win a superbowl this year. If that isn't possible, shouldn't we be hoping that management understands that the team needs to be in rebuild mode? I'm worried that the facade of a playoff appearance may convince management that change isn't needed. With that said, playoffs is always fun.
Changes are definitely coming regardless on what the 2013 team does. Just look at Baltimore -- they are a very different team this year even after winning the Super Bowl last season.

The salary cap, free agency, and Father Time will all force changes. If the Steelers somehow do make a run down the stretch it will mean that some of the young players are paying dividends and I don't see how that could be a bad thing.
That's a good point. Although if the Steelers somehow make the playoffs, I have a feeling most of the credit should go to Ben
Without a doubt. He isn't perfect but Ben has taken the team on his shoulders. I really liked the no huddle offense and hope they continue to use it. Ben is clearly in his element when given more control of the play calling.

 
I really have no issues with the offense (haley in particular) at this point, other than they need to work on the red zone play calling/execution.

 
The Steelers signed RB Ray Graham to the practice squad yesterday. Probably won't ever see the field for the Steelers but I liked Graham quite a bit when he was at Pitt. :thumbup:

 
I really have no issues with the offense (haley in particular) at this point, other than they need to work on the red zone play calling/execution.
The team can only move the ball when the spread out and go no huddle. I don't think Haley has much or any involvement with the offense when they do. He is terrible. If he is not fired in the off season I will be really upset.

 
I really have no issues with the offense (haley in particular) at this point, other than they need to work on the red zone play calling/execution.
The team can only move the ball when the spread out and go no huddle. I don't think Haley has much or any involvement with the offense when they do. He is terrible. If he is not fired in the off season I will be really upset.
Being that they were running the no huddle offense for large stretches of the game, I wonder how much of the play calling was done by Ben at the line.

 
I really have no issues with the offense (haley in particular) at this point, other than they need to work on the red zone play calling/execution.
The team can only move the ball when the spread out and go no huddle. I don't think Haley has much or any involvement with the offense when they do. He is terrible. If he is not fired in the off season I will be really upset.
Being that they were running the no huddle offense for large stretches of the game, I wonder how much of the play calling was done by Ben at the line.
No doubt Ben was calling a lot of the plays but the plays available in the no hudde are designed and selected ahead of time by the coaching staff. Ben isn't in the huddle drawing plays in the dirt.

That isn't want to diminish Ben cause he did great calling the plays but the coaches aren't just watching from the sideline.

 
about this Cleveland game...It's a Trap!
I don't think ANY game is a trap for the Steelers this year, especially a division opponent on the road. This game is a toss-up. The team that does a better job protecting the ball and creating turnovers is going to win.

 
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Well it took a while but we finally have a season to talk about. :towelwave: :towelwave:

Now lets hope the Steelers don't let this success get to their heads.

 

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