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*** 2013 Official Pittsburgh Steelers Off & ON Season Thread *** (2 Viewers)

hammerva said:
Well it took a while but we finally have a season to talk about. :towelwave: :towelwave:

Now lets hope the Steelers don't let this success get to their heads.
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At least for this week I don't think they have the time to dwell on a win over the Browns. Short week, on the road, hated rival and a chance to get to .500 and in the playoff hunt.

This game is huge and both teams know it.

 
This Ravens-Steelers week should be a lot more fun than the one earlier this season. For the Ravens, it's basically a playoff elimination game - if they lose, they're essentially 1.5 games behind Pittsburgh, they'll be 1 down in the standings and have lost the head-to-head tiebreaker.

I'm expecting another down-to-the-wire brawl. Hoping that the NFL's screw-job on the Steelers - making them the only team this season to follow a Sunday road game with a Thursday road game - has some impact. That being said, traveling to Cleveland and Baltimore from Pittsburgh is not exactly exhausting travel.

 
A few interesting things I am looking forward to seeing how they play out.

The first is what they do with the Worilds and Woodley situation. When Woodley comes back, do they move Worilds back to the right side with how great he has been playing on the left? Or try Woodley over there? Has Woodley ever played that side?

And with Velasco playing so good, what do they do with him next year? I'd like them to keep him there and try Pouncey at guard. The interior would be one of the best in the league. Pouncey would rock as a pulling guard.

 
Copeman said:
A few interesting things I am looking forward to seeing how they play out.

The first is what they do with the Worilds and Woodley situation. When Woodley comes back, do they move Worilds back to the right side with how great he has been playing on the left? Or try Woodley over there? Has Woodley ever played that side?

And with Velasco playing so good, what do they do with him next year? I'd like them to keep him there and try Pouncey at guard. The interior would be one of the best in the league. Pouncey would rock as a pulling guard.
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My guess is that when Woodley comes back (possibly this week) he is going to get a limited number of snaps and rotate with Jones a bit on the right side.

I wholeheartedly agree about keeping Velasco at center and moving Pouncey to guard next season but I don't think that is what will happen. Unless Pouncey wants to move to guard the Steelers will keep him at center and probably try Velasco at guard (assuming he re-signs with the Steelers).

Regardless of how it plays out this season I expect this to be quite an interesting offseason. The Steelers have a lot of tough decisions to be made.

 
Godsbrother said:
Copeman said:
A few interesting things I am looking forward to seeing how they play out.

The first is what they do with the Worilds and Woodley situation. When Woodley comes back, do they move Worilds back to the right side with how great he has been playing on the left? Or try Woodley over there? Has Woodley ever played that side?

And with Velasco playing so good, what do they do with him next year? I'd like them to keep him there and try Pouncey at guard. The interior would be one of the best in the league. Pouncey would rock as a pulling guard.
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My guess is that when Woodley comes back (possibly this week) he is going to get a limited number of snaps and rotate with Jones a bit on the right side.

I wholeheartedly agree about keeping Velasco at center and moving Pouncey to guard next season but I don't think that is what will happen. Unless Pouncey wants to move to guard the Steelers will keep him at center and probably try Velasco at guard (assuming he re-signs with the Steelers).

Regardless of how it plays out this season I expect this to be quite an interesting offseason. The Steelers have a lot of tough decisions to be made.
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So basically, status quo?

 
Copeman said:
Godsbrother said:
Copeman said:
A few interesting things I am looking forward to seeing how they play out.

The first is what they do with the Worilds and Woodley situation. When Woodley comes back, do they move Worilds back to the right side with how great he has been playing on the left? Or try Woodley over there? Has Woodley ever played that side?

And with Velasco playing so good, what do they do with him next year? I'd like them to keep him there and try Pouncey at guard. The interior would be one of the best in the league. Pouncey would rock as a pulling guard.
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My guess is that when Woodley comes back (possibly this week) he is going to get a limited number of snaps and rotate with Jones a bit on the right side.

I wholeheartedly agree about keeping Velasco at center and moving Pouncey to guard next season but I don't think that is what will happen. Unless Pouncey wants to move to guard the Steelers will keep him at center and probably try Velasco at guard (assuming he re-signs with the Steelers).

Regardless of how it plays out this season I expect this to be quite an interesting offseason. The Steelers have a lot of tough decisions to be made.
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So basically, status quo?
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I think Woodley moving over to the right is going to happen so that is a change.

Velasco is an UFA in 2014 so he may not even be with the team. Assuming that he is I think it is more likely he'll be asked to move to guard rather than their all-pro center*

* Disclaimer: After a great rookie season I think Pouncey's play has dropped off to the point that he is merely a decent center. Then again I don't make a living evaluating offensive lineman so maybe I am wrong but he sure didn't seem all that great last season.

 
Sometimes it is good to be wrong. I don't know that this team can make a run after squeaking into the playoffs, but playing like every week is an elimination already could be beneficial. Here we go?

 
NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport reported Sunday on NFL Network's "NFL GameDay Morning" that Tomlin and the Steelers each face a fine, as well as the possible loss of a draft pick for the sideline incident, according to league sources.

:lmao:

 
The loss of a draft pick would be a joke.

FWIW, I think they need to show what Tomlin was doing in the 15 seconds leading up to the clip that everyone has seen a billion times. Was he on the stripe the whole time, or did he start inching over as the play developed? Would demonstrate a good bit towards intent.

Has there been any discussion as to a fine for the helmet-to-helmet on Bell? That hit was sick and illegal.

Also: ZBS - 2, Starting Centers - 0. Can we fire Haley yet?

 
So the OT they just signed has left the team for "personal reasons". Maybe personal reasons means he sees that offensive linemen on this team are cursed and he'd rather sit at home than suffer a season ending injury?

 
3C said:
So the OT they just signed has left the team for "personal reasons". Maybe personal reasons means he sees that offensive linemen on this team are cursed and he'd rather sit at home than suffer a season ending injury?
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What a friggin' mess. I fully expect the Steelers front office to give me a call to see if I'll play center.

 
Idiot Boxer said:
The loss of a draft pick would be a joke.

FWIW, I think they need to show what Tomlin was doing in the 15 seconds leading up to the clip that everyone has seen a billion times. Was he on the stripe the whole time, or did he start inching over as the play developed? Would demonstrate a good bit towards intent.

Has there been any discussion as to a fine for the helmet-to-helmet on Bell? That hit was sick and illegal.

Also: ZBS - 2, Starting Centers - 0. Can we fire Haley yet?
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How is ZBS and losing linemen Haley's fault? Pretty sure the play Velasco was injured on was not ZBS. It was a typical pass protection and Ngata fell on him as Foster somewhat pancaked him.

 
Godsbrother said:
3C said:
So the OT they just signed has left the team for "personal reasons". Maybe personal reasons means he sees that offensive linemen on this team are cursed and he'd rather sit at home than suffer a season ending injury?
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What a friggin' mess. I fully expect the Steelers front office to give me a call to see if I'll play center.
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Kind of hoping they stick with Beachum at LT and give Wallace a shot at C. Can't get any worse, right? Certainly don;t want to see Beachum move inside and have Whimper at LT, or even Adams. The line had been keeping Ben upright for the most part with Beachum at LT.

 
3C said:
Idiot Boxer said:
The loss of a draft pick would be a joke.

FWIW, I think they need to show what Tomlin was doing in the 15 seconds leading up to the clip that everyone has seen a billion times. Was he on the stripe the whole time, or did he start inching over as the play developed? Would demonstrate a good bit towards intent.

Has there been any discussion as to a fine for the helmet-to-helmet on Bell? That hit was sick and illegal.

Also: ZBS - 2, Starting Centers - 0. Can we fire Haley yet?
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How is ZBS and losing linemen Haley's fault? Pretty sure the play Velasco was injured on was not ZBS. It was a typical pass protection and Ngata fell on him as Foster somewhat pancaked him.
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ZBS is most certainly Haley's fault. Whether or not it was a ZBS play, I suppose is the question. Looked like a ZBS play to me, I'm no expert though.

ZBS and the players ill-preparedness for it is what cost us Pouncey and that falls squarely on Haley.

 
Idiot Boxer said:
3C said:
Idiot Boxer said:
The loss of a draft pick would be a joke.

FWIW, I think they need to show what Tomlin was doing in the 15 seconds leading up to the clip that everyone has seen a billion times. Was he on the stripe the whole time, or did he start inching over as the play developed? Would demonstrate a good bit towards intent.

Has there been any discussion as to a fine for the helmet-to-helmet on Bell? That hit was sick and illegal.

Also: ZBS - 2, Starting Centers - 0. Can we fire Haley yet?
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How is ZBS and losing linemen Haley's fault? Pretty sure the play Velasco was injured on was not ZBS. It was a typical pass protection and Ngata fell on him as Foster somewhat pancaked him.
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ZBS is most certainly Haley's fault. Whether or not it was a ZBS play, I suppose is the question. Looked like a ZBS play to me, I'm no expert though.

ZBS and the players ill-preparedness for it is what cost us Pouncey and that falls squarely on Haley.
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Godsbrother said:
3C said:
Pretty sure ZBS is more on Bicknell than Haley.
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The Steelers have had difficulty keeping o-lineman healthy for the past several years even before ZBS. I am not sure what it is but the problem predates both Haley and Bicknell.
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Always amazed when people blame a coach for player injuries. Conditioning!! they claim. Or they were pushed too hard. Whatever reason it is they believe. Very seldom can you really blame a coach for an injury (looking at you Shanahan). It's just luck of the draw. It's a violent game and people are going to get hurt. If the NFL really wants to do something maybe they should penalize/fine guys for diving at others knees (Ngata).

 
Newsworthy Items:

RB Le'Veon Bell has been cleared for participation on Sunday, passed all concussion protocol tests.

OL Mike Adams will make his 1st start at LT since being benched

 
Also, LB Lamar Woodley practiced in full and will likely return

Team pessimistic on DeCastro and Beachum participating in Sunday's game (they are leaving the door open on DeCastro)

 
The Hank said:
Newsworthy Items:

RB Le'Veon Bell has been cleared for participation on Sunday, passed all concussion protocol tests.

OL Mike Adams will make his 1st start at LT since being benched
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Fingers crossed and all that. Hope he shines with this second third whatever chance.

 
The Hank said:
Also, LB Lamar Woodley practiced in full and will likely return

Team pessimistic on DeCastro and Beachum participating in Sunday's game (they are leaving the door open on DeCastro)
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DeCastro practiced today and is going to play per himself.

Listed as Probable on injury report today.

Beachum listed Doubtful.

 
I've been playing with the ESPN playoff machine, and I still feel like the Steelers pretty much control their own destiny.

Yes, it would require them to run the table, but all 3 home games look like wins to me. So it becomes a question of if Rodgers will play in the Packers game and maybe beat them.

It would also require the Ravens to lose 1 game, but I think that's probable, and that even 2 losses in the final 4 weeks (Min, @Det, NE, @Cincy) might be likely.

If Pitt and Balt finish tied at 9-7, the Steelers will be 4-2 in the division. The Ravens already have 2 divisional losses, so if the Ravens finish 9-7, but their loss is vs. Cincy, they're out.

But say the Ravens beat Cincy, and that their loss is to either Detroit or New England. In that case, Pitt and Balt are tied at 9-7 and 4-2 in the AFCN. The next tie-breaker is record in common games, and the Steelers would beat them there. If the Steelers win out, they will be 8-4 in common games. And the Ravens would have 5 losses vs. common opponents (Cle, Buff, Det/NE, Chi, GB).

It's not over for the Steelers yet.

 
The_Man said:
I've been playing with the ESPN playoff machine, and I still feel like the Steelers pretty much control their own destiny.

Yes, it would require them to run the table, but all 3 home games look like wins to me. So it becomes a question of if Rodgers will play in the Packers game and maybe beat them.

It would also require the Ravens to lose 1 game, but I think that's probable, and that even 2 losses in the final 4 weeks (Min, @Det, NE, @Cincy) might be likely.

If Pitt and Balt finish tied at 9-7, the Steelers will be 4-2 in the division. The Ravens already have 2 divisional losses, so if the Ravens finish 9-7, but their loss is vs. Cincy, they're out.

But say the Ravens beat Cincy, and that their loss is to either Detroit or New England. In that case, Pitt and Balt are tied at 9-7 and 4-2 in the AFCN. The next tie-breaker is record in common games, and the Steelers would beat them there. If the Steelers win out, they will be 8-4 in common games. And the Ravens would have 5 losses vs. common opponents (Cle, Buff, Det/NE, Chi, GB).

It's not over for the Steelers yet.
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I even did a playoff scenario in which PIT loses to GB (WEEK 16) and PIT still gets in: TEN loses to DEN (WEEK 14), SD loses to DEN (WEEK 15) and BAL loses twice NE (WEEK 16) and CIN (WEEK 17) - I think that scenario is possible - this is a must win week though vs. a conference opponent, if we lose then we are all but toast.

6th Seed - Pittsburgh

Wins tie break over Miami based on head-to-head win percentage. Wins tie break over Tennessee and San Diego based on best win percentage in conference games. Division tie break was initially used to eliminate Baltimore (Pittsburgh wins tie break over Baltimore based on best win percentage in division games).
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Sounds like Worilds will go back to the right side now that Woodley is back. Not sure I like, or even understand why they would do that with how Worilds has been playing on that left side.

 
I love playing with that NFL Playoff Machine. Looks like the Week 17 Sunday Night game will be Philly vs. Dallas, with the winner taking the NFC East and the loser missing the playoffs.

Looks like the NFL playoff picture is getting pretty well set - NFC East as mentioned, plus AFC #6 still up for grabs, the winner of this week's Indy/Cincy game likely to take the #3, with the loser getting the #4, and New Orleans/Carolina fighting to decide who is #2 and #5.

I think the AFC #6 comes down to Baltimore and the winner of Miami/Pitt. If Miami wins, I think Baltimore gets in, but I think Pittsburgh catches Baltimore if they win this weekend.

 
The_Man said:
I love playing with that NFL Playoff Machine. Looks like the Week 17 Sunday Night game will be Philly vs. Dallas, with the winner taking the NFC East and the loser missing the playoffs.

Looks like the NFL playoff picture is getting pretty well set - NFC East as mentioned, plus AFC #6 still up for grabs, the winner of this week's Indy/Cincy game likely to take the #3, with the loser getting the #4, and New Orleans/Carolina fighting to decide who is #2 and #5.

I think the AFC #6 comes down to Baltimore and the winner of Miami/Pitt. If Miami wins, I think Baltimore gets in, but I think Pittsburgh catches Baltimore if they win this weekend.
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Agreed, thanks for posting this -- I wouldve never known about that simulator otherwise.

Will be VERY interesting to see how this all plays out.

 
Well it's all over now. Yesterday was another blown very winnable game. Complain all you want about Haley's offense but the biggest problem is on defense -- it stinks and needs a massive overhaul.

 
I must be too old because I remember the days when a team from a warm weather area like Miami would get absolutely crushed by the Steelers at home. I mean Tanneyhill had NEVER played a game in snow before and yet he had a slightly better game than Ben.

The biggest problem with this defense is that it can't tackle worth a crap. The entire secondary really believes that the best way to tackle is to deliver one of those "JACKED UP" hits which for bigger guys don't work anymore.

 
Godsbrother said:
Well it's all over now. Yesterday was another blown very winnable game. Complain all you want about Haley's offense but the biggest problem is on defense -- it stinks and needs a massive overhaul.
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There is room for optimism all around for next year. The offense if we can get the line back healthy, is overall very young outside of the QB and TE positions. And Ben isn't "old" for a QB.

Defense, Heywood was a beast yesterday. Worilds, has been playing inspired and might be worth resigning. Woodley looked good, Timmons looked good. Even Hood has played ok. We need to address the secondary quickly, however. There are a lot of years back there. Really the only "old" part of this team.

 
Idiot Boxer said:
Godsbrother said:
Well it's all over now. Yesterday was another blown very winnable game. Complain all you want about Haley's offense but the biggest problem is on defense -- it stinks and needs a massive overhaul.
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There is room for optimism all around for next year. The offense if we can get the line back healthy, is overall very young outside of the QB and TE positions. And Ben isn't "old" for a QB.

Defense, Heywood was a beast yesterday. Worilds, has been playing inspired and might be worth resigning. Woodley looked good, Timmons looked good. Even Hood has played ok. We need to address the secondary quickly, however. There are a lot of years back there. Really the only "old" part of this team.
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The secondary, specifically Clark, Polamalu and Taylor are all old. Clark is an UFA and is done. Ike is likely done too unless the Steelers think he could play safety. Troy is still a playmaker but is out of position way too often and is becoming a liability. He and Ike account for $14 million against the cap so that will be a factor too.

But the problems on defense go deeper than the secondary. We desperately need a real NT. I don't think Woods is the answer and McLendon certainly isn't. Keisel is likely done too so you're going to need a NT and a DE unless you re-sign Ziggy.

Signing Worilds should be a priority and I don't think the Steelers can afford to do their typical "see what you can get in FA and we'll see if we can match" routine.

 
Godsbrother said:
Idiot Boxer said:
Godsbrother said:
Well it's all over now. Yesterday was another blown very winnable game. Complain all you want about Haley's offense but the biggest problem is on defense -- it stinks and needs a massive overhaul.
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There is room for optimism all around for next year. The offense if we can get the line back healthy, is overall very young outside of the QB and TE positions. And Ben isn't "old" for a QB.

Defense, Heywood was a beast yesterday. Worilds, has been playing inspired and might be worth resigning. Woodley looked good, Timmons looked good. Even Hood has played ok. We need to address the secondary quickly, however. There are a lot of years back there. Really the only "old" part of this team.
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The secondary, specifically Clark, Polamalu and Taylor are all old. Clark is an UFA and is done. Ike is likely done too unless the Steelers think he could play safety. Troy is still a playmaker but is out of position way too often and is becoming a liability. He and Ike account for $14 million against the cap so that will be a factor too.

But the problems on defense go deeper than the secondary. We desperately need a real NT. I don't think Woods is the answer and McLendon certainly isn't. Keisel is likely done too so you're going to need a NT and a DE unless you re-sign Ziggy.

Signing Worilds should be a priority and I don't think the Steelers can afford to do their typical "see what you can get in FA and we'll see if we can match" routine.
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Given the DL and LB pieces, is it time to move to 4-3 base?

 
Leeroy Jenkins said:
Godsbrother said:
Idiot Boxer said:
Godsbrother said:
Well it's all over now. Yesterday was another blown very winnable game. Complain all you want about Haley's offense but the biggest problem is on defense -- it stinks and needs a massive overhaul.
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There is room for optimism all around for next year. The offense if we can get the line back healthy, is overall very young outside of the QB and TE positions. And Ben isn't "old" for a QB.

Defense, Heywood was a beast yesterday. Worilds, has been playing inspired and might be worth resigning. Woodley looked good, Timmons looked good. Even Hood has played ok. We need to address the secondary quickly, however. There are a lot of years back there. Really the only "old" part of this team.
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The secondary, specifically Clark, Polamalu and Taylor are all old. Clark is an UFA and is done. Ike is likely done too unless the Steelers think he could play safety. Troy is still a playmaker but is out of position way too often and is becoming a liability. He and Ike account for $14 million against the cap so that will be a factor too.

But the problems on defense go deeper than the secondary. We desperately need a real NT. I don't think Woods is the answer and McLendon certainly isn't. Keisel is likely done too so you're going to need a NT and a DE unless you re-sign Ziggy.

Signing Worilds should be a priority and I don't think the Steelers can afford to do their typical "see what you can get in FA and we'll see if we can match" routine.
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Given the DL and LB pieces, is it time to move to 4-3 base?
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This would be as good of time time as any if this is the route they want to go although I am not sure Jarvis Jones is an OLB in a 4-3 defense.

 
Godsbrother said:
Well it's all over now. Yesterday was another blown very winnable game. Complain all you want about Haley's offense but the biggest problem is on defense -- it stinks and needs a massive overhaul.
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Played with the ESPN Playoff Machine.

Here's what would need to happen:

Steelers, obviously, must WIN OUT (vs. CIN, @ GB, vs. CLE)

Miami MUST lose out (vs. NE, @ BUF, vs NYJ)

Baltimore must lose 2/3 (@ DET, vs. NE, @ CIN

San Diego loses atleast once (@ DEN, vs. OAK, vs. KC)

Tennessee loses atleast once (vs. ARI, @ JAX, vs HOU)

NY Jets loses atleast once, but wins @ MIA (@ CAR, vs. CLE, @MIA)

So you're telling me there's a chance...

 
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no offense, but I don;t wan tto see this team in the playoffs even if all the scenarios played out to get them there. I still say they finish 6-10. Tomlin should be ashamed. I wonder if he has enough humility for that.

 
Godsbrother said:
Idiot Boxer said:
Godsbrother said:
Well it's all over now. Yesterday was another blown very winnable game. Complain all you want about Haley's offense but the biggest problem is on defense -- it stinks and needs a massive overhaul.
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There is room for optimism all around for next year. The offense if we can get the line back healthy, is overall very young outside of the QB and TE positions. And Ben isn't "old" for a QB.

Defense, Heywood was a beast yesterday. Worilds, has been playing inspired and might be worth resigning. Woodley looked good, Timmons looked good. Even Hood has played ok. We need to address the secondary quickly, however. There are a lot of years back there. Really the only "old" part of this team.
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The secondary, specifically Clark, Polamalu and Taylor are all old. Clark is an UFA and is done. Ike is likely done too unless the Steelers think he could play safety. Troy is still a playmaker but is out of position way too often and is becoming a liability. He and Ike account for $14 million against the cap so that will be a factor too.

But the problems on defense go deeper than the secondary. We desperately need a real NT. I don't think Woods is the answer and McLendon certainly isn't. Keisel is likely done too so you're going to need a NT and a DE unless you re-sign Ziggy.

Signing Worilds should be a priority and I don't think the Steelers can afford to do their typical "see what you can get in FA and we'll see if we can match" routine.
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very :goodposting:

can't disagree with anything there but I wouldn't go out of my way to resign Ziggy.

 
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