*2014-15 Hot Stove Thread: The Padres won it I guess (3 Viewers)

[E-Z Glider]

Poor Ruben can't win. People are crushing him for holding out for an elite prospect for Hamels, and guys would be crushing him if he let him go for less than an elite prospect.

I think he should look for a whole bunch of prospects, not just a headliner. They needs lots of help.

"A whole bunch of prospects" doesn't keep his job. He's not in a situation where he can take 4 low-level prospects and wait 4 years to say "I told you so."

He has kept his job despite not winning more than half their games in each of the last 3 years.Not sure a Hamels trade would end his GM'ship

I cant imagine any scenario where Roob is the GM next season. The Phils are at a cross-roads of ownership and hopefully Gillick is making all the calls anyway at this point. They need a new GM from OUTSIDE the organization ASAP. Time to turn the page.

 

[RnR]

Poor Ruben can't win. People are crushing him for holding out for an elite prospect for Hamels, and guys would be crushing him if he let him go for less than an elite prospect.

I think he should look for a whole bunch of prospects, not just a headliner. They needs lots of help.

"A whole bunch of prospects" doesn't keep his job. He's not in a situation where he can take 4 low-level prospects and wait 4 years to say "I told you so."

He has kept his job despite not winning more than half their games in each of the last 3 years.Not sure a Hamels trade would end his GM'ship

They are staring a long-term rebuild in the face. Trading Hamels is perhaps the most important part of that project. If he can't prove he's the man to get the return necessary there, it is unlikely they view him as the guy to get the rest of the rebuild done. I'd say a good portion of his job security hinges on his ability to execute in this situation.

 

[Limp Ditka]

Todd Frazier just beat Miggy in MLB's Face Of MLB contest.

 

[Eephus]

Todd Frazier just beat Miggy in MLB's Face Of MLB contest.

It sure helped David Wright last year.

 

[Limp Ditka]

That will be all of the 'baseball-related' contributions I'll be making today

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

That will be all of the 'baseball-related' contributions I'll be making today

Back to general dickery!

 

[Frostillicus]

That will be all of the 'baseball-related' contributions I'll be making today

Back to general dickery!

:salute:

General Dickery!

 

[tommyGunZ]

Poor Ruben can't win. People are crushing him for holding out for an elite prospect for Hamels, and guys would be crushing him if he let him go for less than an elite prospect.

I think he should look for a whole bunch of prospects, not just a headliner. They needs lots of help.

"A whole bunch of prospects" doesn't keep his job. He's not in a situation where he can take 4 low-level prospects and wait 4 years to say "I told you so."

He has kept his job despite not winning more than half their games in each of the last 3 years.Not sure a Hamels trade would end his GM'ship

They are staring a long-term rebuild in the face. Trading Hamels is perhaps the most important part of that project. If he can't prove he's the man to get the return necessary there, it is unlikely they view him as the guy to get the rest of the rebuild done. I'd say a good portion of his job security hinges on his ability to execute in this situation.

I had a couple beers with a Padres insider last night - he seemed to think that the Padres were very close on Hamels and that Shields availability at a much cheaper cost ($ & bodies) is the reason Hamels isn't a Padre right now.

Had Shields taken the Giants 4/$80M offer earlier in the offseason, you guys would likely have Casher, Hedges, and another top prospect.

 

[Plorfu]

Hello? I'm here for the general dickery?

 

[the moops]

Hello? I'm here for the general dickery?

http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=724660#entry17775168

 

[Limp Ditka]

GB Eephus

 

[shadyridr]

Todd Frazier just beat Miggy in MLB's Face Of MLB contest.

where did eric sogard finish

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Todd Frazier just beat Miggy in MLB's Face Of MLB contest.

where did eric sogard finish

Doolittle is the A's rep this year. He faces Yadier Molina in Rd 2, after dispatching pint-sized challenger Jose Altuve in Round 1. http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/awards/y2014/faceofmlb/

In actual A's news, I guess they're after this other Cuban 2B Olivera pretty hard.

 

[the moops]

Todd Frazier just beat Miggy in MLB's Face Of MLB contest.

where did eric sogard finish

Doolittle is the A's rep this year. He faces Yadier Molina in Rd 2, after dispatching pint-sized challenger Jose Altuve in Round 1. http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/awards/y2014/faceofmlb/

In actual A's news, I guess they're after this other Cuban 2B Olivera pretty hard.

Apparently ALL the Cubans are 2B

 

[Eephus]

Todd Frazier just beat Miggy in MLB's Face Of MLB contest.

where did eric sogard finish

Doolittle is the A's rep this year. He faces Yadier Molina in Rd 2, after dispatching pint-sized challenger Jose Altuve in Round 1. http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/awards/y2014/faceofmlb/

In actual A's news, I guess they're after this other Cuban 2B Olivera pretty hard.

Apparently ALL the Cubans are 2B

I read that on the Internet so it must be true

 

[RnR]

Pretty sure Shady had some compelling evidence that refuted that claim.

 

[Limp Ditka]

Pretty sure Shady had some compelling evidence that refuted that claim.

 

[tommyGunZ]

Todd Frazier just beat Miggy in MLB's Face Of MLB contest.

where did eric sogard finish

Doolittle is the A's rep this year. He faces Yadier Molina in Rd 2, after dispatching pint-sized challenger Jose Altuve in Round 1. http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/awards/y2014/faceofmlb/

In actual A's news, I guess they're after this other Cuban 2B Olivera pretty hard.

Saw a vine on twitter showing two strokes from Olivera. Per that 6 second scouting report, I'm all in on Olivera.

ETA: Found it. Olivera strong like bull.

 

[shadyridr]

Pretty sure Shady had some compelling evidence that refuted that claim.

funny since you were the only one who attempted to refute that claim.

 

[Limp Ditka]

Because it took teamwork?

 

[RnR]

Pretty sure Shady had some compelling evidence that refuted that claim.

funny since you were the only one who attempted to refute that claim.

I thought it was interesting.

 

[Limp Ditka]

Seattle seems to be the perfect landing place for Weeks. Match him up with Cano and there isn't a better platoon situation in all of baseball.

 

[Limp Ditka]

And now, back to the dickery!

 

[E-Z Glider]

The Phillies prefer to deal with the Red Sox, per Rosenthal, hoping to land either Mookie Betts or Blake Swihart in return.

Amaro is a fool

Not gonna argue that, but Im OK with him holding out for a top prospect in return for Hamels. They're not gonna get Betts, but Swihart seems like a fair swap, IMO.

Swihart is #17 prospect in all of baseball, per BP, and top catcher. Very doubtful that Boston trades him for anything.

Boston Herald - Why the Red Sox should trade Swihart for Hamels

 

[the moops]

Seattle seems to be the perfect landing place for Weeks. Match him up with Cano and there isn't a better platoon situation in all of baseball.

They aren't gonna platoon their 240 million dollar star. Now, get back to the dickery

 

[Hilts]

Todd Frazier just beat Miggy in MLB's Face Of MLB contest.

where did eric sogard finish

It seems pretty clear he would have won it all last year were it not from some dickery from Wright's camp with a last minute and unexpected huge surge of votes from South Korea. Then again can't get too upset over that, as it seems the only reason Sogard made it that far was due to the power of trolls.

 

[MAC_32]

Seattle seems to be the perfect landing place for Weeks. Match him up with Cano and there isn't a better platoon situation in all of baseball.

They aren't gonna platoon their 240 million dollar star.Now, get back to the dickery

Can he play anywhere else besides 2B? Well, anyway.

Maybe they plan to play Cruz in LF vs. lefties and Weeks will DH.

 

[Grahamburn]

Seattle still stockpiling DH's.

 

[Limp Ditka]

Seattle seems to be the perfect landing place for Weeks. Match him up with Cano and there isn't a better platoon situation in all of baseball.

They aren't gonna platoon their 240 million dollar star. Now, get back to the dickery

Money really shouldn't be the issue here. This is about winning baseball games. Weeks had an .865 OPS v LHP last year. Cano .746

 

[Da Gildz]

Seattle seems to be the perfect landing place for Weeks. Match him up with Cano and there isn't a better platoon situation in all of baseball.

They aren't gonna platoon their 240 million dollar star.Now, get back to the dickery

Money really shouldn't be the issue here. This is about winning baseball games. Weeks had an .865 OPS v LHP last year. Cano .746

This is hilarious, at least its baseball related though.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

That is a hot take, Limper

 

[Limp Ditka]

Seattle seems to be the perfect landing place for Weeks. Match him up with Cano and there isn't a better platoon situation in all of baseball.

They aren't gonna platoon their 240 million dollar star.Now, get back to the dickery

Money really shouldn't be the issue here. This is about winning baseball games. Weeks had an .865 OPS v LHP last year. Cano .746

This is hilarious, at least its baseball related though.

You were hung up on W/L ratio the other day, so you might be a little slow when it comes to modern stats. Do you need OPS explained to you?

 

[dparker713]

Seattle seems to be the perfect landing place for Weeks. Match him up with Cano and there isn't a better platoon situation in all of baseball.

They aren't gonna platoon their 240 million dollar star.Now, get back to the dickery

Money really shouldn't be the issue here. This is about winning baseball games. Weeks had an .865 OPS v LHP last year. Cano .746

This is hilarious, at least its baseball related though.

You were hung up on W/L ratio the other day, so you might be a little slow when it comes to modern stats. Do you need OPS explained to you?

OPS is hardly all that advanced.

 

[Limp Ditka]

On days that The M's face LHP, Cano will make a fine late inning defensive replacement. He's clearly the superior fielder.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

On days that The M's face LHP, Cano will make a fine late inning defensive replacement. He's clearly the superior fielder.

I could see rostering Weeks as a bench guy and the days you rest Cano against particularly tough lefties, Weeks could fill in.

Not sure Weeks would go for that, but

 

[pantagrapher]

Seattle seems to be the perfect landing place for Weeks. Match him up with Cano and there isn't a better platoon situation in all of baseball.

They aren't gonna platoon their 240 million dollar star.Now, get back to the dickery

Money really shouldn't be the issue here. This is about winning baseball games. Weeks had an .865 OPS v LHP last year. Cano .746

This is hilarious, at least its baseball related though.

You were hung up on W/L ratio the other day, so you might be a little slow when it comes to modern stats. Do you need OPS explained to you?

He just wants to know their playoff OPS.

 

[Limp Ditka]

Seattle seems to be the perfect landing place for Weeks. Match him up with Cano and there isn't a better platoon situation in all of baseball.

They aren't gonna platoon their 240 million dollar star.Now, get back to the dickery

Money really shouldn't be the issue here. This is about winning baseball games. Weeks had an .865 OPS v LHP last year. Cano .746

This is hilarious, at least its baseball related though.

You were hung up on W/L ratio the other day, so you might be a little slow when it comes to modern stats. Do you need OPS explained to you?

He just wants to know their playoff OPS.

Good point

Cano has a .686 Post Season OPS overall. Come October, if the M's are fortunate enough to make the post season, you might not want him out there at all.

 

[RnR]

I read somewhere that Weeks is expected to try to play LF and RF with the Mariners.

I can't understand why the Jays weren't in on a guy like Weeks for 1 yr, 2 mil. They are entering camp with Maicer Izturis and Ryan Goins as 2B options. He'd be a huge offensive upgrade for a small commitment.

 

[Limp Ditka]

Seattle seems to be the perfect landing place for Weeks. Match him up with Cano and there isn't a better platoon situation in all of baseball.

They aren't gonna platoon their 240 million dollar star.Now, get back to the dickery

Money really shouldn't be the issue here. This is about winning baseball games. Weeks had an .865 OPS v LHP last year. Cano .746

This is hilarious, at least its baseball related though.

You were hung up on W/L ratio the other day, so you might be a little slow when it comes to modern stats. Do you need OPS explained to you?

OPS is hardly all that advanced.

Thanks DInsightful as always.

 

[Da Gildz]

On days that The M's face LHP, Cano will make a fine late inning defensive replacement. He's clearly the superior fielder.

Wait, you were serious about that?

Oh my.

 

[Limp Ditka]

On days that The M's face LHP, Cano will make a fine late inning defensive replacement. He's clearly the superior fielder.

Wait, you were serious about that?

Oh my.

Golda

You seem to be having trouble keeping up here. What can I help you with?

 

[Da Gildz]

Matt Joyce has a higher OPS then Mike Trout in innings 4-6 ...maybe they should sub him in there for Trout those innings

 

[Da Gildz]

Then Cowgill can replace Joyce for 7-9, he also has a dynamite extra inning OPS

 

[Limp Ditka]

Gefilte

Let's start with some of your background info. That might help make it easier for me to explain this to you.

First off, how are you?

Secondly, what's your age? It seems that some of the older people I encounter (Eephus is obviously exempt from this) don't understand advanced metrics. I'm thinking you fall into this demographic.

 

[Da Gildz]

Gefilte

Let's start with some of your background info. That might help make it easier for me to explain this to you.

First off, how are you?

Secondly, what's your age? It seems that some of the older people I encounter (Eephus is obviously exempt from this) don't understand advanced metrics. I'm thinking you fall into this demographic.

First, I'm clearly older then you judging by your maturity or immaturity I should say.

Secondly, the idea of ever platooning Weeks with Cano vs LHP is flat out comical.

Cano has a lifetime .785 OPS vs LHP which is more then serviceable, with a .290 lifetime BA on top of playing an elite, gold glove 2b.

The idea that you would even suggest it shows me you're a fool actually.

But again, its at least baseball discussion, not the mindless kindergarten dribble you apparently think is funny.

 

[Epic Problem]

Matt Joyce has a higher OPS then Mike Trout in innings 4-6 ...maybe they should sub him in there for Trout those innings

Then Cowgill can replace Joyce for 7-9, he also has a dynamite extra inning OPS

I'm going to need some stats to back this up.

 

[Epic Problem]

Gefilte

Let's start with some of your background info. That might help make it easier for me to explain this to you.

First off, how are you?

Secondly, what's your age? It seems that some of the older people I encounter (Eephus is obviously exempt from this) don't understand advanced metrics. I'm thinking you fall into this demographic.

First, I'm clearly older then you judging by your maturity or immaturity I should say.

Secondly, the idea of ever platooning Weeks with Cano vs LHP is flat out comical.

Cano has a lifetime .785 OPS vs LHP which is more then serviceable, with a .290 lifetime BA on top of playing an elite, gold glove 2b.

The idea that you would even suggest it shows me you're a fool actually.

But again, its at least baseball discussion, not the mindless kindergarten dribble you apparently think is funny.

You didn't answer his age question.

 

[Limp Ditka]

Gefilte

Let's start with some of your background info. That might help make it easier for me to explain this to you.

First off, how are you?

Secondly, what's your age? It seems that some of the older people I encounter (Eephus is obviously exempt from this) don't understand advanced metrics. I'm thinking you fall into this demographic.

First, I'm clearly older then you judging by your maturity or immaturity I should say.

Secondly, the idea of ever platooning Weeks with Cano vs LHP is flat out comical.

Cano has a lifetime .785 OPS vs LHP which is more then serviceable, with a .290 lifetime BA on top of playing an elite, gold glove 2b.

The idea that you would even suggest it shows me you're a fool actually.

But again, its at least baseball discussion, not the mindless kindergarten dribble you apparently think is funny.

Here's how I read this first off, let me answer your second question, but not really answer it

Secondly, let me post a bunch of drivel to help solidify the notion that my baseball acumen is stuck in the dead ball era

And while I'm at it, thirdly, l'm going to try to insult and mock someone that's graciously trying to offer up their assistance.

 

[Da Gildz]

If your assistance is suggesting they platoon Robinson Cano with anyone not named Robinson Cano, then your assistance isn't needed and quite frankly its a disservice to anyone reading that mess.

Now go back to sticking your head into those various MLB metrics, maybe look at a few spray-charts while you're at it you daring saber feen.

Good day to you.

 

[RnR]

Matt Joyce has a higher OPS then Mike Trout in innings 4-6 ...maybe they should sub him in there for Trout those innings

Then Cowgill can replace Joyce for 7-9, he also has a dynamite extra inning OPS

I'm going to need some stats to back this up.

Crunching the W/L ratios as we speak.