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2014 Dynasty Start Ups (1 Viewer)

Donsmith753 said:
Le'veon Bell before Calvin, Julio, Dez, DT, Gronk and Cobb....
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Ouch. Reminds me of when I took William Green over Peyton Manning in my first dynasty draft back in 2003.

My prediction is that the Charles, AP, and Bell picks will go down as major blunders in the long run.

 
buck naked said:
ILUVBEER99 said:
Tibereas said:
Did a search and didn't see one yet so post your link please. We just started one today:

http://www3.myfantasyleague.com/2014/home/78053#0
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my prediction, the guys picking charles 1.01 and AD 1.04 will drop out of the league if they don't win this year
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Based off one pick? Nostradamus!
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Your first pick in an inaugural dynasty draft is a HUGE investment and needs to be a cornerstone to build around.

No way i'd start my team building around an older RB who is on the downside value wise. If things don't go right there is close to no chance you're going to get near that kind of value back in trade.

It's a cliff jump with way too much downside.

 
ILUVBEER99 said:
buck naked said:
ILUVBEER99 said:
Tibereas said:
Did a search and didn't see one yet so post your link please. We just started one today:

http://www3.myfantasyleague.com/2014/home/78053#0
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my prediction, the guys picking charles 1.01 and AD 1.04 will drop out of the league if they don't win this year
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Based off one pick? Nostradamus!
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Your first pick in an inaugural dynasty draft is a HUGE investment and needs to be a cornerstone to build around.

No way i'd start my team building around an older RB who is on the downside value wise. If things don't go right there is close to no chance you're going to get near that kind of value back in trade.

It's a cliff jump with way too much downside.
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Which guy is better off last year the one who took Trent Richardson or the one who took Charles / Peterson ?

Richardson was this young stud RB to build your team around

In 1997 I did my 1st dynasty start up took Emmitt Smith at 1.03 he only had like 3-4 good years left I seemed to have survived that league ok that is now going on its 18th season.

1 pick isn't a death kill for your team and maybe someone wants 3 great years from a Charles then taking that Richardson risk like last year.

 
It is easy to make that argument when you cherry pick players who succeeded and failed.

I could just as easily say that teams who took Peterson ahead of Tomlinson in 2007 startup drafts absolutely killed it and therefore you should always take the elite young prospect.

Personally, I don't think it ever really makes sense to use a first round startup pick on a 27-28 year old RB. I've done many startups over the years and I can't remember too many times when that sort of pick worked out well. I think the smarter move for the guys who took Charles/AP in that draft above would've been to grab a WR or Jimmy Graham. Better building blocks for a new team than guys with 1-2 years of their prime left.

 
EBF said:
It is easy to make that argument when you cherry pick players who succeeded and failed.

I could just as easily say that teams who took Peterson ahead of Tomlinson in 2007 startup drafts absolutely killed it and therefore you should always take the elite young prospect.

Personally, I don't think it ever really makes sense to use a first round startup pick on a 27-28 year old RB. I've done many startups over the years and I can't remember too many times when that sort of pick worked out well. I think the smarter move for the guys who took Charles/AP in that draft above would've been to grab a WR or Jimmy Graham. Better building blocks for a new team than guys with 1-2 years of their prime left.
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I don't disagree with what you are saying, but where do you think Charles and Peterson should go in an initial draft today?

 
Lott said:
EBF said:
It is easy to make that argument when you cherry pick players who succeeded and failed.

I could just as easily say that teams who took Peterson ahead of Tomlinson in 2007 startup drafts absolutely killed it and therefore you should always take the elite young prospect.

Personally, I don't think it ever really makes sense to use a first round startup pick on a 27-28 year old RB. I've done many startups over the years and I can't remember too many times when that sort of pick worked out well. I think the smarter move for the guys who took Charles/AP in that draft above would've been to grab a WR or Jimmy Graham. Better building blocks for a new team than guys with 1-2 years of their prime left.
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I don't disagree with what you are saying, but where do you think Charles and Peterson should go in an initial draft today?
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3rd-4th round is where they make sense to me. I know some people will strongly disagree with that.

You're talking about two guys whose primes are mostly gone though.

I wouldn't spend a top 25 pick on a 1-2 year play. Just not my style.

 
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EBF said:
Lott said:
EBF said:
It is easy to make that argument when you cherry pick players who succeeded and failed.

I could just as easily say that teams who took Peterson ahead of Tomlinson in 2007 startup drafts absolutely killed it and therefore you should always take the elite young prospect.

Personally, I don't think it ever really makes sense to use a first round startup pick on a 27-28 year old RB. I've done many startups over the years and I can't remember too many times when that sort of pick worked out well. I think the smarter move for the guys who took Charles/AP in that draft above would've been to grab a WR or Jimmy Graham. Better building blocks for a new team than guys with 1-2 years of their prime left.
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I don't disagree with what you are saying, but where do you think Charles and Peterson should go in an initial draft today?
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3rd-4th round is where they make sense to me. I know some people will strongly disagree with that.

You're talking about two guys whose primes are mostly gone though.

I wouldn't spend a top 25 pick on a 1-2 year play. Just not my style.
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I agree that one shouldn't spend a top 25 startup pick on a 1-2 year play but ADP and Charles seem to be guys that break the general rules given both of their strong recoveries the year after their ACLs. I wouldn't be surprised if they break the general rule and each have 3-4 huge VBD years left. I don't think ADP will go in any startup first rounds but my guess is he won't last til 4th in any either.

 
jeaton6 said:
I agree that one shouldn't spend a top 25 startup pick on a 1-2 year play but ADP and Charles seem to be guys that break the general rules given both of their strong recoveries the year after their ACLs. I wouldn't be surprised if they break the general rule and each have 3-4 huge VBD years left. I don't think ADP will go in any startup first rounds but my guess is he won't last til 4th in any either.
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As the saying goes, "Time stops for no man."

Tomlinson was every bit as good as Peterson and he hit a wall. They all do, no matter how good they are.

Charles is 27 right now, so I can buy the idea that there might be a couple good years left. Saying he's a 3rd rounder might have been overdoing it.

Peterson is 29 and probably a lot closer to the end of his relevance. Once a back loses a half step, the drop is sharp and immediate.

 
EBF said:
jeaton6 said:
I agree that one shouldn't spend a top 25 startup pick on a 1-2 year play but ADP and Charles seem to be guys that break the general rules given both of their strong recoveries the year after their ACLs. I wouldn't be surprised if they break the general rule and each have 3-4 huge VBD years left. I don't think ADP will go in any startup first rounds but my guess is he won't last til 4th in any either.
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As the saying goes, "Time stops for no man."

Tomlinson was every bit as good as Peterson and he hit a wall. They all do, no matter how good they are.

Charles is 27 right now, so I can buy the idea that there might be a couple good years left. Saying he's a 3rd rounder might have been overdoing it.

Peterson is 29 and probably a lot closer to the end of his relevance. Once a back loses a half step, the drop is sharp and immediate.
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A big part of LT's sudden drop off was his knee injury.

Barring injury, I believe AP has at least an equal shot at a longer remaining career than Charles. If anyone is going to play well until they're 32/33, it's AP.

 
cstu said:
EBF said:
jeaton6 said:
I agree that one shouldn't spend a top 25 startup pick on a 1-2 year play but ADP and Charles seem to be guys that break the general rules given both of their strong recoveries the year after their ACLs. I wouldn't be surprised if they break the general rule and each have 3-4 huge VBD years left. I don't think ADP will go in any startup first rounds but my guess is he won't last til 4th in any either.
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As the saying goes, "Time stops for no man."

Tomlinson was every bit as good as Peterson and he hit a wall. They all do, no matter how good they are.

Charles is 27 right now, so I can buy the idea that there might be a couple good years left. Saying he's a 3rd rounder might have been overdoing it.

Peterson is 29 and probably a lot closer to the end of his relevance. Once a back loses a half step, the drop is sharp and immediate.
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A big part of LT's sudden drop off was his knee injury.

Barring injury, I believe AP has at least an equal shot at a longer remaining career than Charles. If anyone is going to play well until they're 32/33, it's AP.
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Agreed also ADPs career NFL touches 600 + less than LTs through first 7 years of career (2 full years less). This also should have some effect on longevity/effectiveness as well.

 
EBF said:
Ouch. Reminds me of when I took William Green over Peyton Manning in my first dynasty draft back in 2003.

My prediction is that the Charles, AP, and Bell picks will go down as major blunders in the long run.
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2 out of 3 ain't bad.........a song once said.

 
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