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2014 NBA Draft/Tanking discussion (1 Viewer)

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Embiid finna declare:

@WojYahooNBA: Yahoo Sources: Kansas freshman Joel Embiid -- a possible No. 1 overall pick -- will enter the NBA Draft. http://t.co/YKDz8fUuXV

Hopefully the Sixers set the all-time consecutive loss record and end up with pick #5.

 
Pistons walking a fine line. Currently sitting in the 8th worst spot, and lose the pick to Charlotte if it is 9 or worse. Still have games against the Sixers and Bucks coming up, which I don't think even they can lose.

Huge loss to the Cavs last night, though. Up by about 20 early, and managed to give the game to the Cavs in the fourth. Put them 3 wins behind Cleveland for the 9th worst spot.

 
The lottery idea by the NBA was terrible, now instead of 1-3 teams tanking to get the first overall pick, you've got several more with a real shot at getting that no. 1 pick.

And it just makes no sense that a team as bad as the 6ers could actually not end up with the first overall pick.

 
Kansas SF Andrew Wiggins declared for the draft today. Some may tell you this is a "testing the waters" thing, but with SG Wayne Selden Jr announcing he's coming back to KU and highly-touted SF Kelly Oubre coming to Lawrence this fall, Wiggins is probably coming off the bench if he comes back. My guess is Wiggins stays in the draft and rolls the dice on getting picked.

 
Bruce Dickinson said:
Kansas SF Andrew Wiggins declared for the draft today. Some may tell you this is a "testing the waters" thing, but with SG Wayne Selden Jr announcing he's coming back to KU and highly-touted SF Kelly Oubre coming to Lawrence this fall, Wiggins is probably coming off the bench if he comes back. My guess is Wiggins stays in the draft and rolls the dice on getting picked.
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Awful.

 
Abraham said:
Bruce Dickinson said:
Kansas SF Andrew Wiggins declared for the draft today. Some may tell you this is a "testing the waters" thing, but with SG Wayne Selden Jr announcing he's coming back to KU and highly-touted SF Kelly Oubre coming to Lawrence this fall, Wiggins is probably coming off the bench if he comes back. My guess is Wiggins stays in the draft and rolls the dice on getting picked.
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Awful.
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nysfl2 said:
Pistons walking a fine line. Currently sitting in the 8th worst spot, and lose the pick to Charlotte if it is 9 or worse.
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Good lord. As if the Pistons aren't screwed enough, I completely forgot about this.

And to think there's Izzo to the Pistons rumors. No way does he want any part of that trainwreck.

 
Randle will probably get that boost in draft stock due to his play in the NCAA tourney. Not sure how much more he can move up with the likes of Wiggins, Parker, Exum, Embiid, Smart in front of him (no particular order)?

 
Bruce Dickinson said:
Kansas SF Andrew Wiggins declared for the draft today. Some may tell you this is a "testing the waters" thing, but with SG Wayne Selden Jr announcing he's coming back to KU and highly-touted SF Kelly Oubre coming to Lawrence this fall, Wiggins is probably coming off the bench if he comes back. My guess is Wiggins stays in the draft and rolls the dice on getting picked.
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wtf
 
"It wasn't an easy decision because the fans showed me so much love here," said Wiggins, choking up briefly during a news conference at Allen Fieldhouse. "I just wish I had more time. College goes by so fast. I can see why people stay all four years."

:lmao: "I just wish I had more time"

Uhhhhhh....

 
Frostillicus said:
Premier said:
Embiid finna declare:

@WojYahooNBA: Yahoo Sources: Kansas freshman Joel Embiid -- a possible No. 1 overall pick -- will enter the NBA Draft. http://t.co/YKDz8fUuXV

Hopefully the Sixers set the all-time consecutive loss record and end up with pick #5.
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So Myles Turner to Kansas happen yet?
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Turner says he won't announce his decision at least until after the Hoop Summit on 4/12. IIRC, his list is down to Duke, Kansas, Kentucky, Oklahoma State, SMU, and Texas. Word from his family is Myles wants to spend some more time with the other top recruits to see who he gets along with and doesn't, who he would have good/bad on-court chemistry with, stuff that can be learned hanging at the McDonald's and Nike postseason games.

KU fans thought Turner was a Kansas lock when Self negged him during his visit ("If Embiid comes back, you're wasting your time talking to us") because Self wouldn't say something like that to a potential recruit who was iffy on KU. But he's a Texas kid with friends at Texas, SMU, and Okie Lite.

Duke and Kentucky fans are reacting predictably to Turner's saga: Duke fans say Turner isn't really considering Duke, but is keeping Duke on his list so he can claim the prestige and honor of being recruited by Duke and make him seem like a bigger deal than he actually is. Kentucky fans say Turner is coming to UK because UK is where lottery talent goes to become lottery picks.

Texas likes their chances being in-state and playing on TV a lot, but also because Turner models some of his game after LaMarcus Aldridge and could play for Aldridge's college coach in Austin.

SMU is an underrated wildcard here - Turner is tight with SMU commit Emmanuel Mudiay, a DFW PG also projected to be a 2015 lottery pick. Plus there's the Larry Brown factor; four years under Brown will drive you nuts, but one year under him is like getting 2-3 years of instruction from most college coaches.

 
Premier said:
"It wasn't an easy decision because the fans showed me so much love here," said Wiggins, choking up briefly during a news conference at Allen Fieldhouse. "I just wish I had more time. College goes by so fast. I can see why people stay all four years."

:lmao: "I just wish I had more time"

Uhhhhhh....
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Exactly. Want more time? Come back for one more season. And while you're here, learn how to dribble with your left hand, kiddo.

 
Premier said:
Embiid finna declare:

@WojYahooNBA: Yahoo Sources: Kansas freshman Joel Embiid -- a possible No. 1 overall pick -- will enter the NBA Draft. http://t.co/YKDz8fUuXV
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Earlier today, a KU athletic department employee tweeted that he had info coming about Embiid holding a press conference to announce he was coming back for his sophomore season at KU. It was an April Fool's joke. It did not go over well with KU superfans. I thought it was kind of funny that folks wouldn't check the calendar or at least wonder why the guy best known for being the PA announcer for KU women's softball home games would break the story.

I'd link to the tweet, but it's gone now. Some of the ensuing excitement/outrage over it may still be floating around, though.

 
Embiid has a press conference scheduled for 2pm Wednesday. His parents flew in from Cameroon.

I'm hearing his dad is in town to take some measurements and help Embiid and Selden figure out what size loft they want to build for their dorm room next year. Mom is gonna advise on window treatments and pitch in on JoJo's laundry. So the press conference is probably for Embiid to model what the uniforms will look like next season.

 
Cliff Clavin said:
Stauskas going to get drafted? Project to be a Ridnour type with better shooting?
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JMO Somewhere between JJ Redick and Klay Thompson.

Thompson's level (and big IF) he's able to get off his own shot at next level. I think that's going to be the biggest question on him because he's known to be a below average-average defender.

Edit: I agree with the above. I don't see him getting out of the teens.

 
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Stauskas was pretty good this year in being able to take people off the dribble. Something most pure shooters can't do. Will he be able to do that in the NBA? I guess we will find out. But he could be deadly if he can, with his shooting ability.

 
MSU's Gary Harris declared for the draft today. No surprise there.

NBADraft.net has him going 8th overall which seems high. He does have a really high floor, worst case he should be a 3-and-D guy and every team needs those. Needs to get to the basket more to justify a top 10 pick IMO. Even though he's a sophomore, he won't turn 20 until September so he's got time to get better.

 
My solution to fix tanking which I'm sure is an awful idea...

Reward the teams who didn't tank and just missed the playoffs with the most balls in the lottery.

ie team with 17th best record and first team to miss playoffs gets best chance at #1 pick, 18th best record get the next most, etc etc. :shrug:

Basketball in Philly has been brutal this year. I don't want to see these clowns rewarded for the crap I've had to watch all season.

 
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A great way to eliminate tanking is similar to European football i.e. Relegation. If you finish in the bottom 4 your team is demoted to the D League. I know it'll never happen in the current NBA but it makes it interesting to watch the losers fight to remain relevant.

 
Jeff Goodman column (Insider, otherwise I'd link it) says he polled all 30 NBA teams, and Jabari Parker is the big favorite to go 1.01.

17 teams said they would take Parker #1, 8 teams said they would take Embiid, 5 said Wiggins.

Chad Ford's mock lottery suggests the teams preferring Wiggins are all picking near the top of the draft.

Wiggins goes 1.01 to: Philly, Orlando, Milwaukee, Denver, Boston, LAL

Parker goes 1.01 to: Cleveland, Utah, Detroit, New Orleans, Minnesota

Embiid goes 1.01 to Sacramento

Wasn't patient enough to get Phoenix to come up 1.01, so don't know which player is attached to that team right now.

 
I might be in the minority here, but I have no idea why everyone seems to think the NBA needs to "fix the tanking problem".

They've got a draft lottery, which is a step further than other leagues have taken to address the issue.

More importantly, the NBA, like every league, will always have some really bad teams. Every sports league has decided it makes since to give the worst teams the highest draft picks.

I'm not sure what's caused the outrage over the last couple of years with the NBA. There are some horrible teams. Those teams will get the best picks. So what?

There really aren't a bunch of teams out there just trying to suck.

Philly, BOS, and Utah made smart moves to get younger (Philly had a no-brainer trade to turn a league average PG into 2 firsts).

It might see odd, but MIL was actually trying to win.

Same for DET, only they just spent a boatload more money trying to do so.

Hell, SAC even made a trade where I'm pretty sure they thought they were improving their roster in the short-term.

Really doesn't matter though. Bad teams are bad teams. They are usually not fun to watch. Whether management would prefer they win or not doesn't make them more or less fun to watch.

The only issue of teams not putting out the best product possible is when the rest of the league starts copying Pop and sitting stars more regularly. People that buy tickets to see the Bucks assume they'll see a ####ty product either way. Not so with good teams.

(Not that I think the league should regulate it, but I could see where they'd probably want to).

 
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I might be in the minority here, but I have no idea why everyone seems to think the NBA needs to "fix the tanking problem".

They've got a draft lottery, which is a step further than other leagues have taken to address the issue.

More importantly, the NBA, like every league, will always have some really bad teams. Every sports league has decided it makes since to give the worst teams the highest draft picks.

I'm not sure what's caused the outrage over the last couple of years with the NBA. There are some horrible teams. Those teams will get the best picks. So what?

There really aren't a bunch of teams out there just trying to suck.

Philly, BOS, and Utah made smart moves to get younger (Philly had a no-brainer trade to turn a league average PG into 2 firsts).

It might see odd, but MIL was actually trying to win.

Same for DET, only they just spent a boatload more money trying to do so.

Hell, SAC even made a trade where I'm pretty sure they thought they were improving their roster in the short-term.

Really doesn't matter though. Bad teams are bad teams. They are usually not fun to watch. Whether management would prefer they win or not doesn't make them more or less fun to watch.

The only issue of teams not putting out the best product possible is when the rest of the league starts copying Pop and sitting stars more regularly. People that buy tickets to see the Bucks assume they'll see a ####ty product either way. Not so with good teams.

(Not that I think the league should regulate it, but I could see where they'd probably want to).
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:hifive:

It's a non-issue. The majority of the league's worst teams started the season trying to win, as you say. They didn't change course until later in the season Nobody complains when NFL teams start their backups for the last two games of the year, or when MLB teams trade veterans to contenders for prospects mid-season. At least in the NBA you're just getting slightly better odds at a Top 3 pick instead of jostling for position with every win or loss. People just like to have something to complain about.

 
These people should be worrying about a league that is so top heavy that teams need to tank and then hope and pray that a real stud is coming out in the draft. As a Sixers fan I applaud what they have done. Bring on Parker or Wiggs

 
Bruce Dickinson said:
Jeff Goodman column (Insider, otherwise I'd link it) says he polled all 30 NBA teams, and Jabari Parker is the big favorite to go 1.01.

17 teams said they would take Parker #1, 8 teams said they would take Embiid, 5 said Wiggins.

Chad Ford's mock lottery suggests the teams preferring Wiggins are all picking near the top of the draft.

Wiggins goes 1.01 to: Philly, Orlando, Milwaukee, Denver, Boston, LAL

Parker goes 1.01 to: Cleveland, Utah, Detroit, New Orleans, Minnesota

Embiid goes 1.01 to Sacramento

Wasn't patient enough to get Phoenix to come up 1.01, so don't know which player is attached to that team right now.
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Sacramento and Kansas aren't putting together a good track record in the draft lately. I'm wary. Unlikely Sacramento moves up far enough to matter this year though unless Embiid has a Noel like slip.

 
I would guess that people are just more aware of the disparity between the top teams and worst teams in the NBA. By the sport's nature, a couple players easily shift the balance of power. And therefore it is a lot easier to get a 25% winning % than in MLB. And in football, the disparity probably doesn't look so bad, because in term of wins, the number is small.

And the number 1 pick in NBA is under more of a spotlight, again due to the nature of the sport, where individual players get more focus.

 
thecatch said:
Bruce Dickinson said:
Jeff Goodman column (Insider, otherwise I'd link it) says he polled all 30 NBA teams, and Jabari Parker is the big favorite to go 1.01.

17 teams said they would take Parker #1, 8 teams said they would take Embiid, 5 said Wiggins.

Chad Ford's mock lottery suggests the teams preferring Wiggins are all picking near the top of the draft.

Wiggins goes 1.01 to: Philly, Orlando, Milwaukee, Denver, Boston, LAL

Parker goes 1.01 to: Cleveland, Utah, Detroit, New Orleans, Minnesota

Embiid goes 1.01 to Sacramento

Wasn't patient enough to get Phoenix to come up 1.01, so don't know which player is attached to that team right now.
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Sacramento and Kansas aren't putting together a good track record in the draft lately. I'm wary. Unlikely Sacramento moves up far enough to matter this year though unless Embiid has a Noel like slip.
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I didn't get why Sacramento would take Embiid over Wiggins or Parker, unless they also plan to move Cousins. Both Embiid and Cousins are mobile for bigs, bit the best position for both of them is C. I could maybe see a halfcourt offense working with Embiid at the high post and Cousins down low, but that's a lot of bodies clogging the lane.

 
Bruce Dickinson said:
thecatch said:
Bruce Dickinson said:
Jeff Goodman column (Insider, otherwise I'd link it) says he polled all 30 NBA teams, and Jabari Parker is the big favorite to go 1.01.

17 teams said they would take Parker #1, 8 teams said they would take Embiid, 5 said Wiggins.

Chad Ford's mock lottery suggests the teams preferring Wiggins are all picking near the top of the draft.

Wiggins goes 1.01 to: Philly, Orlando, Milwaukee, Denver, Boston, LAL

Parker goes 1.01 to: Cleveland, Utah, Detroit, New Orleans, Minnesota

Embiid goes 1.01 to Sacramento

Wasn't patient enough to get Phoenix to come up 1.01, so don't know which player is attached to that team right now.
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Sacramento and Kansas aren't putting together a good track record in the draft lately. I'm wary. Unlikely Sacramento moves up far enough to matter this year though unless Embiid has a Noel like slip.
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I didn't get why Sacramento would take Embiid over Wiggins or Parker, unless they also plan to move Cousins. Both Embiid and Cousins are mobile for bigs, bit the best position for both of them is C.I could maybe see a halfcourt offense working with Embiid at the high post and Cousins down low, but that's a lot of bodies clogging the lane.
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Plus they'd have Gay around to teach Wiggins stuff like shot selection, passing, teamwork and hustle. Win-win.

 
Bruce Dickinson said:
thecatch said:
Bruce Dickinson said:
Jeff Goodman column (Insider, otherwise I'd link it) says he polled all 30 NBA teams, and Jabari Parker is the big favorite to go 1.01.

17 teams said they would take Parker #1, 8 teams said they would take Embiid, 5 said Wiggins.

Chad Ford's mock lottery suggests the teams preferring Wiggins are all picking near the top of the draft.

Wiggins goes 1.01 to: Philly, Orlando, Milwaukee, Denver, Boston, LAL

Parker goes 1.01 to: Cleveland, Utah, Detroit, New Orleans, Minnesota

Embiid goes 1.01 to Sacramento

Wasn't patient enough to get Phoenix to come up 1.01, so don't know which player is attached to that team right now.
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Sacramento and Kansas aren't putting together a good track record in the draft lately. I'm wary. Unlikely Sacramento moves up far enough to matter this year though unless Embiid has a Noel like slip.
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I didn't get why Sacramento would take Embiid over Wiggins or Parker, unless they also plan to move Cousins. Both Embiid and Cousins are mobile for bigs, bit the best position for both of them is C. I could maybe see a halfcourt offense working with Embiid at the high post and Cousins down low, but that's a lot of bodies clogging the lane.
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Embiid should only be an option for them at 1.01 if he can (a) provide shot blocking, (b) guard the PF position, and © be a credible threat from 10-15 feet. If he can't do all those things they should definitely go SF or PG.

 
thecatch said:
Bruce Dickinson said:
thecatch said:
Bruce Dickinson said:
Jeff Goodman column (Insider, otherwise I'd link it) says he polled all 30 NBA teams, and Jabari Parker is the big favorite to go 1.01.

17 teams said they would take Parker #1, 8 teams said they would take Embiid, 5 said Wiggins.

Chad Ford's mock lottery suggests the teams preferring Wiggins are all picking near the top of the draft.

Wiggins goes 1.01 to: Philly, Orlando, Milwaukee, Denver, Boston, LAL

Parker goes 1.01 to: Cleveland, Utah, Detroit, New Orleans, Minnesota

Embiid goes 1.01 to Sacramento

Wasn't patient enough to get Phoenix to come up 1.01, so don't know which player is attached to that team right now.
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Sacramento and Kansas aren't putting together a good track record in the draft lately. I'm wary. Unlikely Sacramento moves up far enough to matter this year though unless Embiid has a Noel like slip.
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I didn't get why Sacramento would take Embiid over Wiggins or Parker, unless they also plan to move Cousins. Both Embiid and Cousins are mobile for bigs, bit the best position for both of them is C.I could maybe see a halfcourt offense working with Embiid at the high post and Cousins down low, but that's a lot of bodies clogging the lane.
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Embiid should only be an option for them at 1.01 if he can (a) provide shot blocking, (b) guard the PF position, and © be a credible threat from 10-15 feet. If he can't do all those things they should definitely go SF or PG.
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I think he's athletic enough to have a shot at a & b. C is a bit more of a crapshoot given his limited basketball resume.

The Kings seem to like Ben McLemore a lot but it's easier to make room for two talented wings than two bigs. The Pistons have bigger problems than Monroe and Drummond but having twin towers isn't necessarily a cure-all.

 
Cousins developed into a plus positional defender but a shotblocking big can really make up for horrific perimeter defense like the Kings have. The defense should be their top priority.

McLemore shouldn't keep them from taking anybody, and Gay and Thomas might leave so there is a need in the backcourt as well, but the Embiid/Drummond/etc types are so much harder to find.

 
I don't think you need to be in Denver to smoke weed in the nba. The league gives zero ####s about that.

 
"Good said:
DeAndre Daniels is declaring with one year left. He's projected for the late first-round.
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Has he signed with an agent? He seems like a prime candidate to go through the process, get specific feedback from NBA teams about his game, then go back to UConn and work on what the pro teams suggested needs improvement.
 
Bruce Dickinson said:
"Good said:
DeAndre Daniels is declaring with one year left. He's projected for the late first-round.
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Has he signed with an agent? He seems like a prime candidate to go through the process, get specific feedback from NBA teams about his game, then go back to UConn and work on what the pro teams suggested needs improvement.
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I don't think the NCAA lets you do that anymore. "Testing the waters" is gone.

 
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