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2014 Oakland Raiders Regular Season Thread (2 Viewers)

On a second-down play, Lamarr Houston sacked Patriots backup quarterback Jimmy Garoppolo. Houston then leaped in the air in celebration, and as he landed, he grabbed at his right knee and went to the ground. He got up, walked a few strides, then sat down again.
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The score was 48-23 with three minutes left in the game.
 
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Another pathetic performance. 0-16 is now a very real possibility. I come here because most of my friends are no longer Raider fans, or they just dont give a cr@p about them anymore.(I'm one of the last holdouts). And I know most of you are true, loyal fans like I consider myself. Thanks for being my support group. But I'm done with this dysfunctional organization. How can a non-expansion team be this bad? Simple.... Poor business decisions. Going all the way back to Al Davis trading Jon Gruden away for basically Phillip Buchanan and Nap Harris. Why are they this bad? They haven't hit on a 1st round draft pick since Woodson in 1998. Yep, 16 years! No team can survive that level of ineptitude. (I'm not

counting Janikowski, despite his greatness, he's still a

kicker!) Then compound that with terrible free agent acquisitions (Larry Brown, Walker, Sapp, Moss, Seymour, DeAngelo Hall and most recent Flynn, Schaub, Tuck, Woodley and probably a lot I've forgotten. ) My point being, this is how we got to 13 straight losses and a once proud franchise is now a laughingstock. After 12 years of putting up with this mess and seeing no progress, only regression, I'm out...

- I hope they at least do one thing right in a decade and build around Carr. The kid has potential. Hey Aikman was 1-15 in his rookie year right?

Trade that #1 overall pick and get Carr and Mack some help!

 
Anyone who was expecting anything other then a shot at 4 wins, at the very most, did not have realistic expectations for this season. Not hitting even that sad mark really shouldn't be a surprise either. This outcome was far more likely then a shot at 8-8.

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4 games are possible to win. Buffalo if they can sideline Orton quickly and Buffalo is forced to insert Manuel. Both KC games and possibly STL if hey play a perfect game.

Everything else is a screaming loss. This team blows. #1 pick is all but wrapped up. Hello new QB. :lmao:

 
Former Oakland Raiders offensive lineman Mo Collins, who started at guard in their Super Bowl XXXVII loss to Tampa Bay, died Sunday at age 38.Collins, who played all six of his NFL seasons with the Raiders, was in his first year as head football coach at West Charlotte (N.C.) High School, his alma mater, according to the Charlotte Observer. The paper said he had been undergoing dialysis for kidney failure.
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RIP, big fella. He'll always be a Raider.

 
Raider Nation said:
Former Oakland Raiders offensive lineman Mo Collins, who started at guard in their Super Bowl XXXVII loss to Tampa Bay, died Sunday at age 38.Collins, who played all six of his NFL seasons with the Raiders, was in his first year as head football coach at West Charlotte (N.C.) High School, his alma mater, according to the Charlotte Observer. The paper said he had been undergoing dialysis for kidney failure.
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RIP, big fella. He'll always be a Raider.
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So young too, only 38 years old. :( R.I.P. Mo.

 
i'm more or less out at this point. i haven't bothered to watch any more than what the redzone shows of any raider game this year. i bailed on our seatlle road trip and probably won't go to SD. the team is a ####### joke. i've been a die hard fan for ever, it's not worth the fight anymore. the most common term i hear now a days is, you like joke land? you poor *******. :mellow:

i got a fair amount of #### over the last 5+ years on this site for telling the truth about the raiders and how bad they suck. i've been done being delusional for years, now i'm just done. i'll always be a raider fan, but i don't give a #### anymore.

 
krsone21 said:
Raider Nation said:
Former Oakland Raiders offensive lineman Mo Collins, who started at guard in their Super Bowl XXXVII loss to Tampa Bay, died Sunday at age 38.Collins, who played all six of his NFL seasons with the Raiders, was in his first year as head football coach at West Charlotte (N.C.) High School, his alma mater, according to the Charlotte Observer. The paper said he had been undergoing dialysis for kidney failure.
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RIP, big fella. He'll always be a Raider.
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So young too, only 38 years old. :( R.I.P. Mo.
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RIP Mo :(

 
@RaiderTruths: Khalil Mack has 10 TFLs so far in 7 games. How good is that? Sheldon Richardson (DROY) had 12 TFLs in total last season.

RaiderTruths: Khalil Mack is on pace for 98 tackles and 23 TFLs. Insane.

 
krsone21 said:
@RaiderTruths: Khalil Mack has 10 TFLs so far in 7 games. How good is that? Sheldon Richardson (DROY) had 12 TFLs in total last season.

RaiderTruths: Khalil Mack is on pace for 98 tackles and 23 TFLs. Insane.
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23 TFLs, with none of those being sacks, would be silly.

 
jonboltz said:
krsone21 said:
@RaiderTruths: Khalil Mack has 10 TFLs so far in 7 games. How good is that? Sheldon Richardson (DROY) had 12 TFLs in total last season.

RaiderTruths: Khalil Mack is on pace for 98 tackles and 23 TFLs. Insane.
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23 TFLs, with none of those being sacks, would be silly.
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I'm sure by the time the season ends Mack will get his fair share of sacks. He has a boat load of QB pressures. Soon those QB pressures will be turning into QB sacks.

 
Ed Wood said:
If Reggie stays and the Raiders "win" the first pick in the draft, can they trust him to do the right thing with the pick (i.e. trade it for a boatload)?

There was some argument about whether he got enough moving down from 3 to 12 to select D.J. Hayden in the 2013 draft. The Raiders also got the 42nd pick with the move.

Here's an argument that Reggie got robbed:

http://www.rantsports.com/nfl/2013/04/26/2013-nfl-draft-jeff-ireland-fleeces-the-oakland-raiders-for-3rd-overall-selection/
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I can see it from a valuation standpoint in terms of what pick value is worth, but even then it's not exactly giving up the farm. And when you look at actual performance, it's a wash -- both Hayden and Jordan had disappointed rookie seasons and missed substantial time this year (suspension; injury).

 
Stompin said:
Ed Wood said:
If Reggie stays and the Raiders "win" the first pick in the draft, can they trust him to do the right thing with the pick (i.e. trade it for a boatload)?

There was some argument about whether he got enough moving down from 3 to 12 to select D.J. Hayden in the 2013 draft. The Raiders also got the 42nd pick with the move.

Here's an argument that Reggie got robbed:

http://www.rantsports.com/nfl/2013/04/26/2013-nfl-draft-jeff-ireland-fleeces-the-oakland-raiders-for-3rd-overall-selection/
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I can see it from a valuation standpoint in terms of what pick value is worth, but even then it's not exactly giving up the farm. And when you look at actual performance, it's a wash -- both Hayden and Jordan had disappointed rookie seasons and missed substantial time this year (suspension; injury).
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Jimmy Johnson's trade value chart is dated and just a general guideline. It doesn't account for year to year talent pool variability and depth. Or for situational nuance among teams with regards to need, preference, etc.

I'm not saying Reggie made a good call with Hayden. So far it looks like anything but. But if he hypothetically was the 3rd best player in that draft and Reggie had his mind made up to take him at 3, then trading down for anything at all (and still getting him later) was a win, trade value charts notwithstanding.

 
Raiderfan32904 said:
If Reggie "earns" the #1 overall pick, I guarantee you he won't be doing the picking.
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Wait, what? This team is headed for 0-16. I find it very hard to believe anyone in the building, outside of Davis (unfortunately), is retained.

 
LawFitz said:
Stompin said:
Ed Wood said:
If Reggie stays and the Raiders "win" the first pick in the draft, can they trust him to do the right thing with the pick (i.e. trade it for a boatload)?

There was some argument about whether he got enough moving down from 3 to 12 to select D.J. Hayden in the 2013 draft. The Raiders also got the 42nd pick with the move.

Here's an argument that Reggie got robbed:

http://www.rantsports.com/nfl/2013/04/26/2013-nfl-draft-jeff-ireland-fleeces-the-oakland-raiders-for-3rd-overall-selection/
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I can see it from a valuation standpoint in terms of what pick value is worth, but even then it's not exactly giving up the farm. And when you look at actual performance, it's a wash -- both Hayden and Jordan had disappointed rookie seasons and missed substantial time this year (suspension; injury).
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Jimmy Johnson's trade value chart is dated and just a general guideline. It doesn't account for year to year talent pool variability and depth. Or for situational nuance among teams with regards to need, preference, etc.

I'm not saying Reggie made a good call with Hayden. So far it looks like anything but. But if he hypothetically was the 3rd best player in that draft and Reggie had his mind made up to take him at 3, then trading down for anything at all (and still getting him later) was a win, trade value charts notwithstanding.
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Just shows how clueless Reggie is.

 
Any possibility of Latavius Murray getting a chance at starting? McFadden is on a 1yr, show-me deal I believe and they obviously have given up on MJD.

 
Ed Wood said:
If Reggie stays and the Raiders "win" the first pick in the draft, can they trust him to do the right thing with the pick (i.e. trade it for a boatload)?

There was some argument about whether he got enough moving down from 3 to 12 to select D.J. Hayden in the 2013 draft. The Raiders also got the 42nd pick with the move.

Here's an argument that Reggie got robbed:

http://www.rantsports.com/nfl/2013/04/26/2013-nfl-draft-jeff-ireland-fleeces-the-oakland-raiders-for-3rd-overall-selection/
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According to the trade chart, no. We didn't.

In a year that a stiff OT went #1, and no one wanted to move up, we did OK.

 
I won't split hairs over the outdated trade chart. At the time I thought we should have done better than just an extra 2nd round pick. I do feel that Reggie screwed the pooch on what he ended up choosing with his #12 and #42 picks, Hayden & Watson. We were coming off our first 4-12 season, in full rebuild mode. There were some solid safe D-linemen available at #12. It was a time to be conservative, not take chances. Better teams can take chances on upside projects. We had no business taking a corner there. And I don't really care what bust OL went in front of our pick. What matters is what we did with our pick.

 
BigBlue_RI said:
Any possibility of Latavius Murray getting a chance at starting? McFadden is on a 1yr, show-me deal I believe and they obviously have given up on MJD.
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Who knows what the coaching staff wants to do with the RB's? They say they want to get Mcfadden going, then they say they need to get MJD involved. Then they abandon the run for some odd reason. For this season, unless McFadden gets injured, I don't see Murray being very active in the Raiders run game. Reece is getting more work than him lately. He's had 4 carries all season and nothing since week 3.

 
Raiderfan32904 said:
I won't split hairs over the outdated trade chart. At the time I thought we should have done better than just an extra 2nd round pick. I do feel that Reggie screwed the pooch on what he ended up choosing with his #12 and #42 picks, Hayden & Watson. We were coming off our first 4-12 season, in full rebuild mode. There were some solid safe D-linemen available at #12. It was a time to be conservative, not take chances. Better teams can take chances on upside projects. We had no business taking a corner there. And I don't really care what bust OL went in front of our pick. What matters is what we did with our pick.
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It only matters in the sense that people weren't dying to move up in a terrible draft. Getting only a 2nd to move down doesn't look as bad given the crappy draft we were trying to trade down in. As to the DT vs. CB argument, not sure why we had 'no business' taking a CB. We needed CB, still do. We needed DE as well, but I am glad we didn't take Jordan.

We needed good players, and still do. The position, to me, isn't that important if we get the player right, no?

 
Raiderfan32904 said:
BigBlue_RI said:
Any possibility of Latavius Murray getting a chance at starting? McFadden is on a 1yr, show-me deal I believe and they obviously have given up on MJD.
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Who knows what the coaching staff wants to do with the RB's? They say they want to get Mcfadden going, then they say they need to get MJD involved. Then they abandon the run for some odd reason. For this season, unless McFadden gets injured, I don't see Murray being very active in the Raiders run game. Reece is getting more work than him lately. He's had 4 carries all season and nothing since week 3.
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Its also possible that they don't feel Murray can adequately protect Carr, and is not worth the risk.

 
massraider said:
Raiderfan32904 said:
I won't split hairs over the outdated trade chart. At the time I thought we should have done better than just an extra 2nd round pick. I do feel that Reggie screwed the pooch on what he ended up choosing with his #12 and #42 picks, Hayden & Watson. We were coming off our first 4-12 season, in full rebuild mode. There were some solid safe D-linemen available at #12. It was a time to be conservative, not take chances. Better teams can take chances on upside projects. We had no business taking a corner there. And I don't really care what bust OL went in front of our pick. What matters is what we did with our pick.
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It only matters in the sense that people weren't dying to move up in a terrible draft. Getting only a 2nd to move down doesn't look as bad given the crappy draft we were trying to trade down in. As to the DT vs. CB argument, not sure why we had 'no business' taking a CB. We needed CB, still do. We needed DE as well, but I am glad we didn't take Jordan.

We needed good players, and still do. The position, to me, isn't that important if we get the player right, no?
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Yeah, if the "right player" is some sort of consensus "right player". Half the teams didn't have Hayden on their first round boards. And Reggie claims he would have taken him #3 overall. That seems silly to me. There are so many blue chip positions of need that also needed to be filled that fit the criteria of "consensus best man on the board". It's like in fantasy, we talk about value based drafting, we all want the best RB's or WR's in the first two rounds. A great defense can theoritically outscore a first round RB, but nobody is taking the Seattle defense in the first round.

My point is (and I admit I drifted from it) is that we were a terrible team devoid of talent at so many positions. We needed to build a foundation of talent, going for high floor and limited ceiling if that what's it came to. Reggie took an uppercut the organization could not afford. Good teams can afford to swing and miss. Bad teams miss on that uppercut and go from 4-12 to 0-16 just that fast.

 
jonboltz said:
Raiderfan32904 said:
BigBlue_RI said:
Any possibility of Latavius Murray getting a chance at starting? McFadden is on a 1yr, show-me deal I believe and they obviously have given up on MJD.
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Who knows what the coaching staff wants to do with the RB's? They say they want to get Mcfadden going, then they say they need to get MJD involved. Then they abandon the run for some odd reason. For this season, unless McFadden gets injured, I don't see Murray being very active in the Raiders run game. Reece is getting more work than him lately. He's had 4 carries all season and nothing since week 3.
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Its also possible that they don't feel Murray can adequately protect Carr, and is not worth the risk.
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It's a good point. McFadden has been solid in pass pro.

 
Hindsight is 20/20. Going into the 2012 draft Sheldon Richardson was just another name and Star Lotuleilei was surrounded by whispers of being lazy and having a heart condition. The DL I wanted was Sharrif Floyd and he hasn't done anything of note through 1.5 years.

Beyond all that, Hayden still has a chance of becoming an impact player. All we've seen of him is an (albeit crappy) injury shortened rookie season. Still too early to call him a bust IMO.

If Reggie is fired it should be for dumping Hue Jackson for Dennis Allen and Greg Olsen. Not for his drafts. 2012 was nothing but late picks. 2013 is incomplete (though Sio Moore looks good). And 2014 looks spectacular so far.

 
LawFitz said:
Hindsight is 20/20. Going into the 2012 draft Sheldon Richardson was just another name and Star Lotuleilei was surrounded by whispers of being lazy and having a heart condition. The DL I wanted was Sharrif Floyd and he hasn't done anything of note through 1.5 years.

Beyond all that, Hayden still has a chance of becoming an impact player. All we've seen of him is an (albeit crappy) injury shortened rookie season. Still too early to call him a bust IMO.

If Reggie is fired it should be for dumping Hue Jackson for Dennis Allen and Greg Olsen. Not for his drafts. 2012 was nothing but late picks. 2013 is incomplete (though Sio Moore looks good). And 2014 looks spectacular so far.
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I agree with you as far as Reggie's draft picks are concerned. Its too early to grade out his drafts yet. But what about his free agent moves? Honestly, the only free agent pick ups that have been solid IMO have been Woodson and Carlos Rogers. And I'll give him Howard, I think he's an upgrade at guard. But everyone else has been garbage.
 
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