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2014 Oakland Raiders Regular Season Thread (1 Viewer)

Raiderfan32904 said:
There will be no more RG3 windfalls. He's become a cautionary tale. We have to at least consider Mariota to drive trade value. In the end I trust Carr is our future.
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Maybe, maybe not. One thing that I consider to be a universal truth in the NFL is the arrogance of GMs and coaches and their belief that they can take the player they love and turn them into an all time great. All it takes is one of 31 GM/Coaches to fall in love with Mariota to give the Raiders an enormous windfall of picks. Maybe it won't be an RGIII windfall, but maybe GMs view Mariota as a safer prospect (has he lost a season to an ACL tear?) so it could be bigger. Either way they could garner an incredible windfall, one greater than what they get from holding onto him and trying to dish Carr.

 
If they can get a 2nd for Carr they should take that and spring to the podium with Mariotta's name on the card. Otherwise you gotta move the pick for whatever you can and get someone top 5 like Cooper or Gregory/Williams.

 
Raider Nation said:
Here's the thing: in Carr, you are locking up a capable, mid-level QB. He will never be elite. He just won't. Mariota COULD be one of the three best QBs in the league in a few years. I'm a dice-roller. We passed on Calvin and Peterson and Rodgers, and we always :cry: about it. How about we take a special offensive player for once?
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We know this now? And even if that were true guys like Flacco and Eli aren't elite either.

 
Raiderfan32904 said:
There will be no more RG3 windfalls. He's become a cautionary tale. We have to at least consider Mariota to drive trade value. In the end I trust Carr is our future.
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Andrew Luck would like a word with you. The flaw wasn't in the concept, it was in the player. That's like saying because Jamarcus Russell bombed that no other QB will go #1 overall. If the guy is the right guy, he'll command the price. Draft picks bust sometimes, it comes with the territory, but you don't win without a QB so teams that need one will pay to get them.

 
Lovet he Harbaugh rumors.

Question: does the spirit of Al Davis live on or will Mark Davis just let Harbaugh do what he wants?

And what of McKenzie?

Also I take it if this happens Harbs wouldn't be going there unless he really believed the Raiders weren't moving.

 
Jax winning helped us as well.

And the Raiders being historically horrible doesn't hurt our draft position either.

 
32 Counter Pass said:
Get Carr some talent at WR and RB before judging him. Right now the jury is still out.
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Same thing they said about his brother. After that is addressed, they want to coaches fired. After that is addressed, it's the OL. After that is addressed, it's the defense. Then finally there's only one thing left. Carr.

 
32 Counter Pass said:
lod01 said:
32 Counter Pass said:
Get Carr some talent at WR and RB before judging him. Right now the jury is still out.
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Same thing they said about his brother. After that is addressed, they want to coaches fired. After that is addressed, it's the OL. After that is addressed, it's the defense. Then finally there's only one thing left. Carr.
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Really? You seen enough to call Carr a bust?
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Come on. Have you read his stuff? Everyone's a clown, everyone's a loser, and he called it.

 
massraider said:
32 Counter Pass said:
lod01 said:
32 Counter Pass said:
Get Carr some talent at WR and RB before judging him. Right now the jury is still out.
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Same thing they said about his brother. After that is addressed, they want to coaches fired. After that is addressed, it's the OL. After that is addressed, it's the defense. Then finally there's only one thing left. Carr.
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Really? You seen enough to call Carr a bust?
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Come on. Have you read his stuff? Everyone's a clown, everyone's a loser, and he called it.
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Yeah I've seen enough. Looks just like his brother out there. Davante Adams was the reason he put up numbers in college, not the other way around.

I point out the clowns and losers.

 
I think the worst part about today is that I am not shocked at all and have gotten to the point of just chalking it up as another loss. I used to get all jacked up for every Raider game. Now I am more into tracking my fantasy teams. Results like today are now just expected and you shrug and move on to the next loss.

 
Raider Nation said:
If Carr is the future I'm gonna off myself.
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Jury is still out IMHO. Carr looks decent when given enough time to throw. Not as good checking down through all of his progressions (which is teachable). Terrible in effectiveness under pressure, which is the area I really worry about as I am not sure that's as teachable. Carr looks terror-stricken when the pocket is collapsing, and all his mechanics and poise seems to collapse with it.

I do agree that what we're seeing is a QB who is likely going to be better than anyone we've had in a while (he's already that) but not an elite QB who can make up for weaknesses elsewhere.

That may be good enough, but only if we succeed in getting the right pieces around Carr quickly. Unfortunately, there are so many holes to plug in this dam, Carr might not have that chance.

 
ICON211 said:
I think the worst part about today is that I am not shocked at all and have gotten to the point of just chalking it up as another loss. I used to get all jacked up for every Raider game. Now I am more into tracking my fantasy teams. Results like today are now just expected and you shrug and move on to the next loss.
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I'm right there with you. Heck, my two young sons and I were bonding and watching the game together today and, at halftime, I suggested they just put on a movie instead. I surfed on my iPad to track my fantasy teams scores instead. So over being emotionally attached to anything like a sports team. The Me from 10 years ago (pre-kids) would be shocked by that statement.

The raiders haven't made the playoffs in ages but 3 of my 4 fantasy teams did. Victory! :)

 
joey said:
ICON211 said:
I think the worst part about today is that I am not shocked at all and have gotten to the point of just chalking it up as another loss. I used to get all jacked up for every Raider game. Now I am more into tracking my fantasy teams. Results like today are now just expected and you shrug and move on to the next loss.
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I'm right there with you. Heck, my two young sons and I were bonding and watching the game together today and, at halftime, I suggested they just put on a movie instead. I surfed on my iPad to track my fantasy teams scores instead. So over being emotionally attached to anything like a sports team. The Me from 10 years ago (pre-kids) would be shocked by that statement.

The raiders haven't made the playoffs in ages but 3 of my 4 fantasy teams did. Victory! :)
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I'm in the same boat.
 
Garrett said:
Stompin said:
BustedKnuckles said:
Raider Nation said:
I'm drinking.... and dreaming of a time long ago when we didn't suck.

:kicksrock:
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1983
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No, you only need to go back to 2000-2002.
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I still have pretty clear visions of Charlie Garner running wild....
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Amen, brother. Let's not forget Garner's thunder counterpart of Wheatley, and Crockett, the Stripe Hammer of the Gods. And the WR tandem of Rice and Brown. Big Linc and Robbins up front. That was a killer offense. And while the D wasn't all-world, we still had Rod Woodson and Romanowski.

Makes me cry thinking about the delta between then and, well, since.

 
Am I nuts to think that we'd have 4-6 wins right now if McGloin had played every game? There's nothing special about him, but he's a gunslinger ... I liken him to a Fitzpatrick type. Not afraid to try to squeeze throws into tight windows downfield. And of course had Murray been starting since week 1, we'd be going to the playoffs. :)

 
Raider Nation said:
Am I nuts to think that we'd have 4-6 wins right now if McGloin had played every game? There's nothing special about him, but he's a gunslinger ... I liken him to a Fitzpatrick type. Not afraid to try to squeeze throws into tight windows downfield. And of course had Murray been starting since week 1, we'd be going to the playoffs. :)
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I don't think they would have anymore wins because the talent just isn't there at the skill positions. You're right McGloin has a gun slinger mentality, but that ultimately leads to forced balls, that lead to turnovers. Give Carr a threat at RB and a WR that forces double coverage then we can make a judgement on his future.

 
32 Counter Pass said:
Raider Nation said:
Am I nuts to think that we'd have 4-6 wins right now if McGloin had played every game? There's nothing special about him, but he's a gunslinger ... I liken him to a Fitzpatrick type. Not afraid to try to squeeze throws into tight windows downfield. And of course had Murray been starting since week 1, we'd be going to the playoffs. :)
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I don't think they would have anymore wins because the talent just isn't there at the skill positions. You're right McGloin has a gun slinger mentality, but that ultimately leads to forced balls, that lead to turnovers. Give Carr a threat at RB and a WR that forces double coverage then we can make a judgement on his future.
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Agreed. I actually like how Carr takes care of the ball despite having such crappy position players. It's a good sign IMO. The first San Diego game sold me on his ability/willingness to sling it if he had a better crew.

 
Raider Nation said:
Am I nuts to think that we'd have 4-6 wins right now if McGloin had played every game? There's nothing special about him, but he's a gunslinger ... I liken him to a Fitzpatrick type. Not afraid to try to squeeze throws into tight windows downfield. And of course had Murray been starting since week 1, we'd be going to the playoffs. :)
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Wouldn't make any difference with Olson calling the offense.

 
Raiderfan32904 said:
Raider Nation said:
Am I nuts to think that we'd have 4-6 wins right now if McGloin had played every game? There's nothing special about him, but he's a gunslinger ... I liken him to a Fitzpatrick type. Not afraid to try to squeeze throws into tight windows downfield. And of course had Murray been starting since week 1, we'd be going to the playoffs. :)
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Wouldn't make any difference with Olson calling the offense.
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I concur

 
Dane Brugler ‏@dpbrugler

With the #Raiders win, the #Bucs are the new favorite to finish w/ the No. 1 overall pick in the 2015 NFL Draft (lowest SOS of 2-11 teams)

 
Donnybrook said:
Dane Brugler ‏@dpbrugler

With the #Raiders win, the #Bucs are the new favorite to finish w/ the No. 1 overall pick in the 2015 NFL Draft (lowest SOS of 2-11 teams)
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They can have it.

Raiders have not checked out on the season, Whole bunch of other teams have.

Redskins, Bears, Jets, are in the process of quitting.

 
LawFitz said:
Donnybrook said:
Dane Brugler ‏@dpbrugler

With the #Raiders win, the #Bucs are the new favorite to finish w/ the No. 1 overall pick in the 2015 NFL Draft (lowest SOS of 2-11 teams)
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The hardest schedule in the league... The gift that keeps on giving.
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I am guessing that the Raiders will temporarily have the 4th overall pick due to the hard schedule at least until the Jags and Titans play next week.
 
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