2014 Rookie RB Class (1 Viewer)

[Nero]

If he didn't associate with the type of people he associates with, he wouldn't need a gun.

I rented Boys in the Hood from Blockbuster in the 90s; nothing is ever that easy.

I grew up in the inner city of New Orleans, it's not that hard. Given Crowell's prowess, you can be sure many have stepped up to try and guide him in the right direction. He must own his baggage and it will cost him.

 

[cstu]

Here's a couple examples of his blocking:

Alabama - good effort, gets bounced back

Florida State - awful effort, basically trying to stand in the way but not get hit

 

[Time Kibitzer]

I know you are really low on Lacy/Bell but I think you are really wrong here. It's true all 4 of them put up 4.6ish 40 times. But.

Hyde has no burst and no agility. His jumps and 10yd times are miserable. There is no redeeming physical characteristic.

Hill is not much better. His vert is really the worst it could possibly be. Has any combine invited RB scored lower.

They're all pretty similar. 230+ pound guys with good versatility, quick feet, good college production, and disappointing workout numbers. The latter variable is what kept Bell/Lacy out of the first round last year and it's the same thing that will keep Hyde/Hill out this year. As we saw with Lacy and Bell last year, you don't need to be a great workout athlete to have some value in the league. Being a big back with decent feet and good hands is enough if you're fed 250+ carries and a bunch of targets. There's nothing separating Hyde or Hill from having that kind of success. Acting like Bell/Lacy were somehow vastly superior prospects has little basis in reality. They were mid-late 2nd round picks (approximately where Hyde/Hill are likely to go). They were very flawed workout athletes.

Hyde is roughly parallel with Lacy. A little less explosive on the field, but a better frame and very very similar workout profile. Hill is roughly on par with Bell. Not quite as fast. Tested a little worse. Similar type of player though. I'd describe him as LenDale White with hands, which is also a pretty apt description of Bell. They're all soft body guys with good feet. Not much measured explosiveness, but still reasonably effective.

You're focusing too much on combine numbers, Hill is much faster than Bell. Bell hasn't broke for a 50+ yard play since the first game of his freshman season in college. Including his time in the NFL, that's 1028 straight touches without breaking a single one for 50+ yards. Any speed Bell has doesn't translate to the football field, that's pretty obvious.

Jeremy Hill on the other hand had 5 50+ yard rushes just this past season, and if you watch his highlights he's running away from DB's on those plays. When it actually comes to playing football, Hill is the more explosive/dynamic player, regardless of how they tested at the combine imo.

 

[BroadwayG]

Florida State - awful effort, basically trying to stand in the way but not get hit

Looked like he paused a half second to curse the OL for letting 2 guys around the edge for him to block.

 

[EBF]

Yea, that's true. Hill seems to have pretty good game speed. I've seen him break numerous long runs.

 

[thriftyrocker]

Jeremy Hill on the other hand had 5 50+ yard rushes just this past season, and if you watch his highlights he's running away from DB's on those plays. When it actually comes to playing football, Hill is the more explosive/dynamic player, regardless of how they tested at the combine imo.

He runs stronger and does better on the 2nd level. Blount has a lot of NFL 50 yard runs, I think it's a similar skillset. Bell's agility is both a benefit and curse.

 

[Shutout]

A few have already mentioned it; situation is the key once again. If you believe there is an elite prospect in this bunch, go after him but I think you have a lot of interchangeable parts and their performance is going to be heavily influenced by where they are.

And like someone alluded to already, how much productivity can this class bring to the table compared to last year when you factor in that last year's backs ended up on teams like the Broncos, Packers, Bengals, and Steelers while this year's batch will end up in Cleveland, Jax, Oakland, and the sort?

I don't see one single back this year that is going to land in a sweet spot with the 75/25 lionshare on his side. I see a lot of backs going to rebuilding teams with 2 other guys on it where you will a lot of coaches say things about "we're going to give ALL our young guys a chance to get out there and work and carve out a role for themselves". /coachspeak

 

[cstu]

A few have already mentioned it; situation is the key once again. If you believe there is an elite prospect in this bunch, go after him but I think you have a lot of interchangeable parts and their performance is going to be heavily influenced by where they are.

And like someone alluded to already, how much productivity can this class bring to the table compared to last year when you factor in that last year's backs ended up on teams like the Broncos, Packers, Bengals, and Steelers while this year's batch will end up in Cleveland, Jax, Oakland, and the sort?

I don't see one single back this year that is going to land in a sweet spot with the 75/25 lionshare on his side. I see a lot of backs going to rebuilding teams with 2 other guys on it where you will a lot of coaches say things about "we're going to give ALL our young guys a chance to get out there and work and carve out a role for themselves". /coachspeak

The Titans would be a nice landing spot.

 

[thriftyrocker]

The Titans would be a nice landing spot.

I think Greene would get first chance to start (they gave him a 3yr deal and used him last year), but by end of year it'd be 50/50 at worst, and you'd be looking at the rookie as unquestioned starter in '15. In terms of highest likelihood to be starter all Sep, I would rank it Greene TEN, Jennings OAK, Todman JAC, Baker CLE. Not knowing QB landing spots, TEN looks the most attractive just because we know they're mediocre, not flat out bad. But pairing with Manziel would be a big plus for a rookie, if that happened.

 

[Shutout]

A few have already mentioned it; situation is the key once again. If you believe there is an elite prospect in this bunch, go after him but I think you have a lot of interchangeable parts and their performance is going to be heavily influenced by where they are.

And like someone alluded to already, how much productivity can this class bring to the table compared to last year when you factor in that last year's backs ended up on teams like the Broncos, Packers, Bengals, and Steelers while this year's batch will end up in Cleveland, Jax, Oakland, and the sort?

I don't see one single back this year that is going to land in a sweet spot with the 75/25 lionshare on his side. I see a lot of backs going to rebuilding teams with 2 other guys on it where you will a lot of coaches say things about "we're going to give ALL our young guys a chance to get out there and work and carve out a role for themselves". /coachspeak

The Titans would be a nice landing spot.

Looks nice on paper but you have to ask "Do I expect any of these rookies to get me really excited when Chris Johnson, in the same role, couldn't do it (assuming we are talking about "top" impact)?

 

[EBF]

Good situations for a rookie RB:

Miami

New York Jets

Cleveland

Jacksonville

Oakland

New York Giants

That's six teams with no clear starter at RB. A rookie who goes to Oakland, Jacksonville, or Cleveland has no obstacles to being the day one starter. Miami and the New York teams have no proven talent, so any rookie who went there would have a really solid chance to carve out immediate PT if not an outright workhorse role.

Decent situations for a rookie RB:

Tennessee

Indianapolis

Houston

Denver

Falcons

Arizona

San Francisco

The Titans are in the same spot the Bengals were last year. They've got a proven 1000+ yard rusher who can be serviceable in spot duty, but he's hardly an ideal option and he'll be vulnerable if they find a more explosive option. I think the Colts are unlikely to invest a high pick at RB, but if you're in the anti-Trent camp then this looks like a pretty wide open spot. Arizona and Denver don't seem like great bets to use a top 75-100 pick on a back, but you can't say either team is obviously settled at the position either. SF, Houston, and Atlanta are in similar situations with possibly fading/declining veteran stars who are about ripe to be supplanted.

All in all, I don't think there's a lack of opportunity for rookie backs. Even if you assume that half the good situations will be filled by FA signings, there should be 3-4 teams with basically wide open situations ala Green Bay/Pittsburgh/St. Louis last year.

 

[thriftyrocker]

Is Crowell to ATL in the 5th worth more than anyone to OAK/JAC/NYJ in the 3rd?

 

[Xue]

Good situations for a rookie RB:

Miami

New York Jets

Cleveland

Jacksonville

Oakland

New York Giants

That's six teams with no clear starter at RB. A rookie who goes to Oakland, Jacksonville, or Cleveland has no obstacles to being the day one starter. Miami and the New York teams have no proven talent, so any rookie who went there would have a really solid chance to carve out immediate PT if not an outright workhorse role.

Decent situations for a rookie RB:

Tennessee

Indianapolis

Houston

Denver

Falcons

Arizona

San Francisco

The Titans are in the same spot the Bengals were last year. They've got a proven 1000+ yard rusher who can be serviceable in spot duty, but he's hardly an ideal option and he'll be vulnerable if they find a more explosive option. I think the Colts are unlikely to invest a high pick at RB, but if you're in the anti-Trent camp then this looks like a pretty wide open spot. Arizona and Denver don't seem like great bets to use a top 75-100 pick on a back, but you can't say either team is obviously settled at the position either. SF, Houston, and Atlanta are in similar situations with possibly fading/declining veteran stars who are about ripe to be supplanted.

All in all, I don't think there's a lack of opportunity for rookie backs. Even if you assume that half the good situations will be filled by FA signings, there should be 3-4 teams with basically wide open situations ala Green Bay/Pittsburgh/St. Louis last year.

The Jets have Chris Ivory, who was great when healthy and he's only 25. He had 3.01 Yards After Contact last year. That's 3rd among all RBs with at least 100 carries.

 

[Brewtown]

Good situations for a rookie RB:

Miami

New York Jets

Cleveland

Jacksonville

Oakland

New York Giants

That's six teams with no clear starter at RB. A rookie who goes to Oakland, Jacksonville, or Cleveland has no obstacles to being the day one starter. Miami and the New York teams have no proven talent, so any rookie who went there would have a really solid chance to carve out immediate PT if not an outright workhorse role.

Decent situations for a rookie RB:

Tennessee

Indianapolis

Houston

Denver

Falcons

Arizona

San Francisco

The Titans are in the same spot the Bengals were last year. They've got a proven 1000+ yard rusher who can be serviceable in spot duty, but he's hardly an ideal option and he'll be vulnerable if they find a more explosive option. I think the Colts are unlikely to invest a high pick at RB, but if you're in the anti-Trent camp then this looks like a pretty wide open spot. Arizona and Denver don't seem like great bets to use a top 75-100 pick on a back, but you can't say either team is obviously settled at the position either. SF, Houston, and Atlanta are in similar situations with possibly fading/declining veteran stars who are about ripe to be supplanted.

All in all, I don't think there's a lack of opportunity for rookie backs. Even if you assume that half the good situations will be filled by FA signings, there should be 3-4 teams with basically wide open situations ala Green Bay/Pittsburgh/St. Louis last year.

There is sooooo much opportunity!!

2014 RBs gonna do very well. Very deep with a lot of talent! WAYYYY better than last year!!!

 

[False Start]

Ka’Deem Carey is slow at Pro Day, works out at wide receiver

Posted by Michael David Smith on March 7, 2014, 9:42 AM EST

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Ka’Deem Carey was the Pac-12 offensive player of the year as a running back at Arizona last season, but NFL teams may be wondering whether he’s fast enough to play running back at the next level.

At the Scouting Combine, Carey was one of the slowest running backs to run, clocking at 4.70 seconds in the 40-yard dash. At Arizona’s Pro Day Carey wasn’t much better: According to NFL.com, Carey ran the 40-yard dash in 4.68 and 4.69 seconds.

During the on-field drills, Carey worked out at wide receiver, not at running back. Carey did line up in the slot at times in Arizona’s offense, and perhaps he thinks he has a better chance of making it in the NFL as a slot receiver than as a running back.

At either position, Carey’s lack of speed could be a concern. You can’t argue with his production in college, but in the NFL speed is at a premium, and Carey doesn’t have it.

 

[JohnnyU]

Ka’Deem Carey is slow at Pro Day, works out at wide receiver

Posted by Michael David Smith on March 7, 2014, 9:42 AM EST

Getty ImagesKa’Deem Carey was the Pac-12 offensive player of the year as a running back at Arizona last season, but NFL teams may be wondering whether he’s fast enough to play running back at the next level.

At the Scouting Combine, Carey was one of the slowest running backs to run, clocking at 4.70 seconds in the 40-yard dash. At Arizona’s Pro Day Carey wasn’t much better: According to NFL.com, Carey ran the 40-yard dash in 4.68 and 4.69 seconds.

During the on-field drills, Carey worked out at wide receiver, not at running back. Carey did line up in the slot at times in Arizona’s offense, and perhaps he thinks he has a better chance of making it in the NFL as a slot receiver than as a running back.

At either position, Carey’s lack of speed could be a concern. You can’t argue with his production in college, but in the NFL speed is at a premium, and Carey doesn’t have it.

I won't be drafting him and I can't believe I tried to trade for him some time back in one of my devy leagues.

 

[Nero]

Carey's upside is Pierre Thomas. I'd take him in the right situation.

 

[JohnnyU]

Carey's upside is Pierre Thomas. Lendale White. I'd take him in the right situation.

fixed.

 

[cstu]

Good situations for a rookie RB:

Miami

New York Jets

Cleveland - Tate

Jacksonville - Gerhart

Oakland - McFadden

New York Giants - Jennings

That's six teams with no clear starter at RB. A rookie who goes to Oakland, Jacksonville, or Cleveland has no obstacles to being the day one starter. Miami and the New York teams have no proven talent, so any rookie who went there would have a really solid chance to carve out immediate PT if not an outright workhorse role.

Decent situations for a rookie RB:

Tennessee

Indianapolis

Houston

Denver

Falcons

Arizona

San Francisco

The Titans are in the same spot the Bengals were last year. They've got a proven 1000+ yard rusher who can be serviceable in spot duty, but he's hardly an ideal option and he'll be vulnerable if they find a more explosive option. I think the Colts are unlikely to invest a high pick at RB, but if you're in the anti-Trent camp then this looks like a pretty wide open spot. Arizona and Denver don't seem like great bets to use a top 75-100 pick on a back, but you can't say either team is obviously settled at the position either. SF, Houston, and Atlanta are in similar situations with possibly fading/declining veteran stars who are about ripe to be supplanted.

All in all, I don't think there's a lack of opportunity for rookie backs. Even if you assume that half the good situations will be filled by FA signings, there should be 3-4 teams with basically wide open situations ala Green Bay/Pittsburgh/St. Louis last year.

Running low on good situations for this year. Long-term there are some good ones, but I don't see much immediate payoff like Lacy or Martin.

 

[Biabreakable]

Good situations for a rookie RB:

Miami

New York Jets

Cleveland - Tate

Jacksonville - Gerhart

Oakland - McFadden

New York Giants - Jennings

That's six teams with no clear starter at RB. A rookie who goes to Oakland, Jacksonville, or Cleveland has no obstacles to being the day one starter. Miami and the New York teams have no proven talent, so any rookie who went there would have a really solid chance to carve out immediate PT if not an outright workhorse role.

Decent situations for a rookie RB:

Tennessee

Indianapolis

Houston

Denver

Falcons

Arizona

San Francisco

The Titans are in the same spot the Bengals were last year. They've got a proven 1000+ yard rusher who can be serviceable in spot duty, but he's hardly an ideal option and he'll be vulnerable if they find a more explosive option. I think the Colts are unlikely to invest a high pick at RB, but if you're in the anti-Trent camp then this looks like a pretty wide open spot. Arizona and Denver don't seem like great bets to use a top 75-100 pick on a back, but you can't say either team is obviously settled at the position either. SF, Houston, and Atlanta are in similar situations with possibly fading/declining veteran stars who are about ripe to be supplanted.

All in all, I don't think there's a lack of opportunity for rookie backs. Even if you assume that half the good situations will be filled by FA signings, there should be 3-4 teams with basically wide open situations ala Green Bay/Pittsburgh/St. Louis last year.

Running low on good situations for this year. Long-term there are some good ones, but I don't see much immediate payoff like Lacy or Martin.

Considering the track record of the players filling 4 of those 6 spots I do not think they have those jobs sewn up. McFadden is always getting hurt, Tate and Jennings have missed time pretty often as well, so while they may be the lead RB going into training camp that does not mean a rookie drafted to those teams doesn't have a decent shot for extended playing time.

Other landing spots that I think will cause me to have interest in rookie RBs are:

Buffalo - This team runs the ball a ton. Fred Jackson will be 33 this season and Spiller has missed quite a bit of time in the past.

Miami - I think this job is still pretty wide open.

Jets - I could see a rookie being busy here if Ivory misses time.

Cowboys - If Murray not the long term answer then perhaps they draft a guy to be one.

Giants - RB position still looks open but kind of bad situation w Coughlin still the HC

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Good situations for a rookie RB:

Miami

New York Jets

Cleveland - Tate

Jacksonville - Gerhart

Oakland - McFadden

New York Giants - Jennings

That's six teams with no clear starter at RB. A rookie who goes to Oakland, Jacksonville, or Cleveland has no obstacles to being the day one starter. Miami and the New York teams have no proven talent, so any rookie who went there would have a really solid chance to carve out immediate PT if not an outright workhorse role.

Decent situations for a rookie RB:

Tennessee

Indianapolis

Houston

Denver

Falcons

Arizona

San Francisco

The Titans are in the same spot the Bengals were last year. They've got a proven 1000+ yard rusher who can be serviceable in spot duty, but he's hardly an ideal option and he'll be vulnerable if they find a more explosive option. I think the Colts are unlikely to invest a high pick at RB, but if you're in the anti-Trent camp then this looks like a pretty wide open spot. Arizona and Denver don't seem like great bets to use a top 75-100 pick on a back, but you can't say either team is obviously settled at the position either. SF, Houston, and Atlanta are in similar situations with possibly fading/declining veteran stars who are about ripe to be supplanted.

All in all, I don't think there's a lack of opportunity for rookie backs. Even if you assume that half the good situations will be filled by FA signings, there should be 3-4 teams with basically wide open situations ala Green Bay/Pittsburgh/St. Louis last year.

Running low on good situations for this year. Long-term there are some good ones, but I don't see much immediate payoff like Lacy or Martin.

Jax,Oak and NYG could still all draft RBs.

None of the players they have on their rosters are long term solutions. granted MdFadden & Gerhardt probably get their shot this year, but we know DMac is a on a 1 year deal and is often injured. Gerhardt is a wildcard and could easily be replaced.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Chris Johnson is the domino that needs to fall, does he stay in Tenn? If traded/released, what job does he take? Would a big-spending contender like SF, NE or even Denver consider him after release?

 

[gianmarco]

Good situations for a rookie RB:

Miami

New York Jets

Cleveland - Tate

Jacksonville - Gerhart

Oakland - McFadden

New York Giants - Jennings

That's six teams with no clear starter at RB. A rookie who goes to Oakland, Jacksonville, or Cleveland has no obstacles to being the day one starter. Miami and the New York teams have no proven talent, so any rookie who went there would have a really solid chance to carve out immediate PT if not an outright workhorse role.

Decent situations for a rookie RB:

Tennessee

Indianapolis

Houston

Denver

Falcons

Arizona

San Francisco

The Titans are in the same spot the Bengals were last year. They've got a proven 1000+ yard rusher who can be serviceable in spot duty, but he's hardly an ideal option and he'll be vulnerable if they find a more explosive option. I think the Colts are unlikely to invest a high pick at RB, but if you're in the anti-Trent camp then this looks like a pretty wide open spot. Arizona and Denver don't seem like great bets to use a top 75-100 pick on a back, but you can't say either team is obviously settled at the position either. SF, Houston, and Atlanta are in similar situations with possibly fading/declining veteran stars who are about ripe to be supplanted.

All in all, I don't think there's a lack of opportunity for rookie backs. Even if you assume that half the good situations will be filled by FA signings, there should be 3-4 teams with basically wide open situations ala Green Bay/Pittsburgh/St. Louis last year.

Running low on good situations for this year. Long-term there are some good ones, but I don't see much immediate payoff like Lacy or Martin.

Considering the track record of the players filling 4 of those 6 spots I do not think they have those jobs sewn up. McFadden is always getting hurt, Tate and Jennings have missed time pretty often as well, so while they may be the lead RB going into training camp that does not mean a rookie drafted to those teams doesn't have a decent shot for extended playing time.

Other landing spots that I think will cause me to have interest in rookie RBs are:

Buffalo - This team runs the ball a ton. Fred Jackson will be 33 this season and Spiller has missed quite a bit of time in the past.

Miami - I think this job is still pretty wide open.

Jets - I could see a rookie being busy here if Ivory misses time.

Cowboys - If Murray not the long term answer then perhaps they draft a guy to be one.

Giants - RB position still looks open but kind of bad situation w Coughlin still the HC

He has?

 

[jonboltz]

Good situations for a rookie RB:

Miami

New York Jets

Cleveland - Tate

Jacksonville - Gerhart

Oakland - McFadden

New York Giants - Jennings

That's six teams with no clear starter at RB. A rookie who goes to Oakland, Jacksonville, or Cleveland has no obstacles to being the day one starter. Miami and the New York teams have no proven talent, so any rookie who went there would have a really solid chance to carve out immediate PT if not an outright workhorse role.

Decent situations for a rookie RB:

Tennessee

Indianapolis

Houston

Denver

Falcons

Arizona

San Francisco

The Titans are in the same spot the Bengals were last year. They've got a proven 1000+ yard rusher who can be serviceable in spot duty, but he's hardly an ideal option and he'll be vulnerable if they find a more explosive option. I think the Colts are unlikely to invest a high pick at RB, but if you're in the anti-Trent camp then this looks like a pretty wide open spot. Arizona and Denver don't seem like great bets to use a top 75-100 pick on a back, but you can't say either team is obviously settled at the position either. SF, Houston, and Atlanta are in similar situations with possibly fading/declining veteran stars who are about ripe to be supplanted.

All in all, I don't think there's a lack of opportunity for rookie backs. Even if you assume that half the good situations will be filled by FA signings, there should be 3-4 teams with basically wide open situations ala Green Bay/Pittsburgh/St. Louis last year.

Running low on good situations for this year. Long-term there are some good ones, but I don't see much immediate payoff like Lacy or Martin.

Nothing about DMC is Oakland moves them out of a "good situation". They were likely going to bring someone there, and DMC on a 1-year deal is easier to surpass than Jennings. Assuming Clev gets Tate, I think OAK is one of the *best* landing spots, right with TENN.

And despite talking up Jennings a bit, NYG still could draft a RB and that wouldn't be a terrible fit.

I'd also put TENN and ATL up in the Good situations category.

 

[Christo]

 

[Ack88]

When factoring both talent and opportunity, this is the worst rb class in recent memory. Second and third tier talents abound. Couple that with a vast array of situational uncertainties and a league wide de-emphasis on the running game, if you can move a pick for a player or take a wr, this is the year to do it.

 

[Gandalf]

When factoring both talent and opportunity, this is the worst rb class in recent memory. Second and third tier talents abound. Couple that with a vast array of situational uncertainties and a league wide de-emphasis on the running game, if you can move a pick for a player or take a wr, this is the year to do it.

In fairness, we have not seen the landing spots yet so it's premature to talk about opportunity.

 

[lod01]

When factoring both talent and opportunity, this is the worst rb class in recent memory. Second and third tier talents abound. Couple that with a vast array of situational uncertainties and a league wide de-emphasis on the running game, if you can move a pick for a player or take a wr, this is the year to do it.

In fairness, we have seen the landing spots yet so it's premature to talk about opportunity.

Agreed.

 

[Biabreakable]

Good situations for a rookie RB:

Miami

New York Jets

Cleveland - Tate

Jacksonville - Gerhart

Oakland - McFadden

New York Giants - Jennings

That's six teams with no clear starter at RB. A rookie who goes to Oakland, Jacksonville, or Cleveland has no obstacles to being the day one starter. Miami and the New York teams have no proven talent, so any rookie who went there would have a really solid chance to carve out immediate PT if not an outright workhorse role.

Decent situations for a rookie RB:

Tennessee

Indianapolis

Houston

Denver

Falcons

Arizona

San Francisco

The Titans are in the same spot the Bengals were last year. They've got a proven 1000+ yard rusher who can be serviceable in spot duty, but he's hardly an ideal option and he'll be vulnerable if they find a more explosive option. I think the Colts are unlikely to invest a high pick at RB, but if you're in the anti-Trent camp then this looks like a pretty wide open spot. Arizona and Denver don't seem like great bets to use a top 75-100 pick on a back, but you can't say either team is obviously settled at the position either. SF, Houston, and Atlanta are in similar situations with possibly fading/declining veteran stars who are about ripe to be supplanted.

All in all, I don't think there's a lack of opportunity for rookie backs. Even if you assume that half the good situations will be filled by FA signings, there should be 3-4 teams with basically wide open situations ala Green Bay/Pittsburgh/St. Louis last year.

Running low on good situations for this year. Long-term there are some good ones, but I don't see much immediate payoff like Lacy or Martin.

Considering the track record of the players filling 4 of those 6 spots I do not think they have those jobs sewn up. McFadden is always getting hurt, Tate and Jennings have missed time pretty often as well, so while they may be the lead RB going into training camp that does not mean a rookie drafted to those teams doesn't have a decent shot for extended playing time.

Other landing spots that I think will cause me to have interest in rookie RBs are:

Buffalo - This team runs the ball a ton. Fred Jackson will be 33 this season and Spiller has missed quite a bit of time in the past.

Miami - I think this job is still pretty wide open.

Jets - I could see a rookie being busy here if Ivory misses time.

Cowboys - If Murray not the long term answer then perhaps they draft a guy to be one.

Giants - RB position still looks open but kind of bad situation w Coughlin still the HC

He has?

In the last 3 years Spiller has only started 29 out of 48 games.

Why do you ask this question?

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SpilC.00.htm

http://www.kffl.com/player/22484/nfl/injury_history/c.j.-spiller

 

[ILUVBEER99]

this RB class is as good as the 2013 class at the top and much deeper.

the situations they could be drafted in is a lot worse though.

 

[rdrouyn]

this RB class is as good as the 2013 class at the top and much deeper.

the situations they could be drafted in is a lot worse though.

Disagree, none of these guys look as good as Eddie Lacy looked in college. Deeper, I can see.

 

[Xue]

this RB class is as good as the 2013 class at the top and much deeper.

the situations they could be drafted in is a lot worse though.

Disagree, none of these guys look as good as Eddie Lacy looked in college. Deeper, I can see.

Eddie Lacy didn't look as good as people think. Jeremy Hill and Carlos Hyde are on par with Lacy.

 

[Nero]

this RB class is as good as the 2013 class at the top and much deeper.

the situations they could be drafted in is a lot worse though.

Disagree, none of these guys look as good as Eddie Lacy looked in college. Deeper, I can see.

Put me in the side that thinks Sankey, Crowell and Mason are better talents then any of last year's class.

 

[rdrouyn]

this RB class is as good as the 2013 class at the top and much deeper.

the situations they could be drafted in is a lot worse though.

Disagree, none of these guys look as good as Eddie Lacy looked in college. Deeper, I can see.

Eddie Lacy didn't look as good as people think. Jeremy Hill and Carlos Hyde are on par with Lacy.

i would honestly like to know what makes you think that. Hill looks kinda like Leveon Bell to me. Carlos Hyde looks like Lacy without the wiggle or the spinmove. I'm still willing to give Hyde the benefit of thr doubt though.

 

[rdrouyn]

this RB class is as good as the 2013 class at the top and much deeper.

the situations they could be drafted in is a lot worse though.

Disagree, none of these guys look as good as Eddie Lacy looked in college. Deeper, I can see.

Put me in the side that thinks Sankey, Crowell and Mason are better talents then any of last year's class.

Mason cant pass protect. Crowell I definitvely agree hes the one with the biggest chance to be a stud. Sankey intrigues me as well, could see him as a Giovani Bernard type, Not fully convinced yet.

 

[gianmarco]

Good situations for a rookie RB:

Miami

New York Jets

Cleveland - Tate

Jacksonville - Gerhart

Oakland - McFadden

New York Giants - Jennings

That's six teams with no clear starter at RB. A rookie who goes to Oakland, Jacksonville, or Cleveland has no obstacles to being the day one starter. Miami and the New York teams have no proven talent, so any rookie who went there would have a really solid chance to carve out immediate PT if not an outright workhorse role.

Decent situations for a rookie RB:

Tennessee

Indianapolis

Houston

Denver

Falcons

Arizona

San Francisco

The Titans are in the same spot the Bengals were last year. They've got a proven 1000+ yard rusher who can be serviceable in spot duty, but he's hardly an ideal option and he'll be vulnerable if they find a more explosive option. I think the Colts are unlikely to invest a high pick at RB, but if you're in the anti-Trent camp then this looks like a pretty wide open spot. Arizona and Denver don't seem like great bets to use a top 75-100 pick on a back, but you can't say either team is obviously settled at the position either. SF, Houston, and Atlanta are in similar situations with possibly fading/declining veteran stars who are about ripe to be supplanted.

All in all, I don't think there's a lack of opportunity for rookie backs. Even if you assume that half the good situations will be filled by FA signings, there should be 3-4 teams with basically wide open situations ala Green Bay/Pittsburgh/St. Louis last year.

Running low on good situations for this year. Long-term there are some good ones, but I don't see much immediate payoff like Lacy or Martin.

Considering the track record of the players filling 4 of those 6 spots I do not think they have those jobs sewn up. McFadden is always getting hurt, Tate and Jennings have missed time pretty often as well, so while they may be the lead RB going into training camp that does not mean a rookie drafted to those teams doesn't have a decent shot for extended playing time.

Other landing spots that I think will cause me to have interest in rookie RBs are:

Buffalo - This team runs the ball a ton. Fred Jackson will be 33 this season and Spiller has missed quite a bit of time in the past.

Miami - I think this job is still pretty wide open.

Jets - I could see a rookie being busy here if Ivory misses time.

Cowboys - If Murray not the long term answer then perhaps they draft a guy to be one.

Giants - RB position still looks open but kind of bad situation w Coughlin still the HC

He has?

In the last 3 years Spiller has only started 29 out of 48 games.

Why do you ask this question?

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SpilC.00.htm

http://www.kffl.com/player/22484/nfl/injury_history/c.j.-spiller

He's played in 47 out of 48 games the last three years. Being listed as a starter has nothing to do with missing time. Just because Fred Jackson may have been technically listed as a starter due to getting the first carry doesn't mean Spiller "has missed quite a bit of time"

Your statement that he's missed a lot of time is just false.

 

[EBF]

this RB class is as good as the 2013 class at the top and much deeper.

the situations they could be drafted in is a lot worse though.

Disagree, none of these guys look as good as Eddie Lacy looked in college. Deeper, I can see.

Put me in the side that thinks Sankey, Crowell and Mason are better talents then any of last year's class.

Mason cant pass protect. Crowell I definitvely agree hes the one with the biggest chance to be a stud. Sankey intrigues me as well, could see him as a Giovani Bernard type, Not fully convinced yet.

I think this group is pretty bad. Big cluster of situation-dependent mediocrities and then some intriguing day three sleeper types.

I thought Mason looked the best at the combine. He also tested pretty well. I think he's probably going to be my top back in this group.

Hyde and Hill leave a lot to be desired from a measurables standpoint and will probably need to land in plum spots ala Lacy and Bell to have major value.

Sankey's combine numbers caught my eye. I thought he was mediocre on tape though and I don't think he actually looked that great running through the drills at the combine. NFL.com has a pretty low grade on him too. I think he's closer to Tashard Choice than Doug Martin.

The one guy who might be a little underrated is Andre Williams. Long strider with minimal elusiveness and no real ability in space, but he's a beast of an athlete and he'll be a pretty good north-south power back for someone. He's not as versatile as Hill or Hyde, but is closer to being a prototypical first round back from a physical ability standpoint. He's only betrayed by his long stride (a double-edged sword) and lack of make-you-miss ability. That's what will push him into the 2nd-3rd round.

 

[Penguin]

The one guy who might be a little underrated is Andre Williams. Long strider with minimal elusiveness and no real ability in space, but he's a beast of an athlete and he'll be a pretty good north-south power back for someone. He's not as versatile as Hill or Hyde, but is closer to being a prototypical first round back from a physical ability standpoint. He's only betrayed by his long stride (a double-edged sword) and lack of make-you-miss ability. That's what will push him into the 2nd-3rd round.

That and the fact that he's Edward Scissorhands in the passing game

 

[Xue]

From a size+speed standpoint, George Atkinson isn't getting enough buzz. His "top end speed" and "long speed" are off the charts. Coupled with his weight, his speed score is quote impressive: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0Aph2QMe0NEl5dFFuQjdoVFJpRUxVSHE1SnNXVm51R3c&type=view&gid=1&f=true&sortcolid=6&sortasc=false&rowsperpage=250

 

[Biabreakable]

Good situations for a rookie RB:

Miami

New York Jets

Cleveland - Tate

Jacksonville - Gerhart

Oakland - McFadden

New York Giants - Jennings

That's six teams with no clear starter at RB. A rookie who goes to Oakland, Jacksonville, or Cleveland has no obstacles to being the day one starter. Miami and the New York teams have no proven talent, so any rookie who went there would have a really solid chance to carve out immediate PT if not an outright workhorse role.

Decent situations for a rookie RB:

Tennessee

Indianapolis

Houston

Denver

Falcons

Arizona

San Francisco

The Titans are in the same spot the Bengals were last year. They've got a proven 1000+ yard rusher who can be serviceable in spot duty, but he's hardly an ideal option and he'll be vulnerable if they find a more explosive option. I think the Colts are unlikely to invest a high pick at RB, but if you're in the anti-Trent camp then this looks like a pretty wide open spot. Arizona and Denver don't seem like great bets to use a top 75-100 pick on a back, but you can't say either team is obviously settled at the position either. SF, Houston, and Atlanta are in similar situations with possibly fading/declining veteran stars who are about ripe to be supplanted.

All in all, I don't think there's a lack of opportunity for rookie backs. Even if you assume that half the good situations will be filled by FA signings, there should be 3-4 teams with basically wide open situations ala Green Bay/Pittsburgh/St. Louis last year.

Running low on good situations for this year. Long-term there are some good ones, but I don't see much immediate payoff like Lacy or Martin.

Considering the track record of the players filling 4 of those 6 spots I do not think they have those jobs sewn up. McFadden is always getting hurt, Tate and Jennings have missed time pretty often as well, so while they may be the lead RB going into training camp that does not mean a rookie drafted to those teams doesn't have a decent shot for extended playing time.

Other landing spots that I think will cause me to have interest in rookie RBs are:

Buffalo - This team runs the ball a ton. Fred Jackson will be 33 this season and Spiller has missed quite a bit of time in the past.

Miami - I think this job is still pretty wide open.

Jets - I could see a rookie being busy here if Ivory misses time.

Cowboys - If Murray not the long term answer then perhaps they draft a guy to be one.

Giants - RB position still looks open but kind of bad situation w Coughlin still the HC

He has?

In the last 3 years Spiller has only started 29 out of 48 games.

Why do you ask this question?

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SpilC.00.htm

http://www.kffl.com/player/22484/nfl/injury_history/c.j.-spiller

He's played in 47 out of 48 games the last three years. Being listed as a starter has nothing to do with missing time. Just because Fred Jackson may have been technically listed as a starter due to getting the first carry doesn't mean Spiller "has missed quite a bit of time"

Your statement that he's missed a lot of time is just false.

CJ Spiller snap counts 2013 389 33.5% of 1,161 total snaps.

CJ Spiller snap counts 2012 567 56.14 of 1,010 total snaps.

So the Bills ran 151 more offensive plays yet Spiller had 178 less snaps than he did in 2012. If Spiller maintained the 56.14% of the snaps for 2013 (like he had in 2012) that would have been 650+ snaps. He missed a bunch of time due to high ankle sprain, about 260 or so snaps worth of time.

By Mike Rodak | ESPN.com Offensively, the Buffalo Bills' most pressing needs this offseason are at offensive line and tight end. But what about running back?

There isn't much question at the position next season, as Fred Jackson and C.J. Spiller are expected to carry the load once again. In the NFL, though, it's good business to keep an eye further down the road.

Jackson turned 33 last week and enters the final season of his contract. While it would be a shock if Jackson decided to finish his career outside of Buffalo, his age and contract situation present some uncertainty.

Meanwhile, Spiller could also enter the final season of his deal. His six-year rookie contract includes a voidable final year (2015), which could put him on the market next spring.

It's entirely possible that both Jackson and Spiller could return in 2015. If they don't, the Bills have little depth at the position. They promoted Ronnie Wingo from the practice squad last October and he barely saw the field. At this point, he may not be more than a depth-level player.

In January, the Bills signed Anthony Allen, who spent two seasons with the Baltimore Ravens. He brings some experience and special-teams ability that could earn him a roster spot with a strong preseason, but he's not a viable replacement option for Jackson or Spiller.

Enter this May's draft.

The Bills aren't going to target a running back in the first round unless it's an Adrian Peterson-type player, general manager Doug Whaley said last week. There isn't a Adrian Peterson-type player in this year's draft, so don't hold your breath.

But what about the middle rounds? That could be the sweet spot for the Bills to draft a running back.

At last week's combine, the Bills interviewed Boston College running back Andre Williams, who was a finalist for the Heisman Trophy.

"His agent, Erik Burkhardt, had made a good suggestion: Bring a notebook to write down the names of all the people you meet with," wrote TheMMQB.com's Jenny Vrentras. "But in Williams’ first formal meeting, with the Bills on Friday night, he was greeted by eight people upon entering the room. He shook each person’s hand, but there simply wasn’t enough time in the 15-minute window to write down everyone’s name."

Williams is expected to be a mid-round pick and the Bills have a potential long-term need at running back. Still, it's dangerous to read into the Bills' interview, as every NFL team sits down with dozens of players in Indianapolis.

Because of that, it's far too early to say the Bills are "interested" in Williams, but it's not too early to consider running back as a draft need for Buffalo.

Given that both Jackson and Spiller could be gone in 2015 I will be very interested in any RB the Bills draft.

 

[gianmarco]

lol..snap counts? Ok buddy, you win. Spiller clearly missed a lot of time despite actually playing in 47 of 48 games.

I mean, from your own link to his injury history, he was listed Questionable a grand total of 3 times and Doubtful 1 time over the last 3 years. And he played in all 3 of those Questionable games.

If you want to say he split time or didn't have a full load, then go ahead and say that. But you clearly implied that he's missed time as if he was missing games due to injury. That is clearly and patently wrong.

But if you need to win this "argument", have at it. Spiller has missed quite a bit of time in the past. Not sure what that time is, but he's missed it.

 

[MoveToSkypager]

Good situations for a rookie RB:

Miami

New York Jets

Cleveland - Tate

Jacksonville - Gerhart

Oakland - McFadden

New York Giants - Jennings

That's six teams with no clear starter at RB. A rookie who goes to Oakland, Jacksonville, or Cleveland has no obstacles to being the day one starter. Miami and the New York teams have no proven talent, so any rookie who went there would have a really solid chance to carve out immediate PT if not an outright workhorse role.

Decent situations for a rookie RB:

Tennessee

Indianapolis

Houston

Denver

Falcons

Arizona

San Francisco

The Titans are in the same spot the Bengals were last year. They've got a proven 1000+ yard rusher who can be serviceable in spot duty, but he's hardly an ideal option and he'll be vulnerable if they find a more explosive option. I think the Colts are unlikely to invest a high pick at RB, but if you're in the anti-Trent camp then this looks like a pretty wide open spot. Arizona and Denver don't seem like great bets to use a top 75-100 pick on a back, but you can't say either team is obviously settled at the position either. SF, Houston, and Atlanta are in similar situations with possibly fading/declining veteran stars who are about ripe to be supplanted.

All in all, I don't think there's a lack of opportunity for rookie backs. Even if you assume that half the good situations will be filled by FA signings, there should be 3-4 teams with basically wide open situations ala Green Bay/Pittsburgh/St. Louis last year.

Running low on good situations for this year. Long-term there are some good ones, but I don't see much immediate payoff like Lacy or Martin.

Considering the track record of the players filling 4 of those 6 spots I do not think they have those jobs sewn up. McFadden is always getting hurt, Tate and Jennings have missed time pretty often as well, so while they may be the lead RB going into training camp that does not mean a rookie drafted to those teams doesn't have a decent shot for extended playing time.

Other landing spots that I think will cause me to have interest in rookie RBs are:

Buffalo - This team runs the ball a ton. Fred Jackson will be 33 this season and Spiller has missed quite a bit of time in the past.

Miami - I think this job is still pretty wide open.

Jets - I could see a rookie being busy here if Ivory misses time.

Cowboys - If Murray not the long term answer then perhaps they draft a guy to be one.

Giants - RB position still looks open but kind of bad situation w Coughlin still the HC

He has?

In the last 3 years Spiller has only started 29 out of 48 games.

Why do you ask this question?

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SpilC.00.htm

http://www.kffl.com/player/22484/nfl/injury_history/c.j.-spiller

He's played in 47 out of 48 games the last three years. Being listed as a starter has nothing to do with missing time. Just because Fred Jackson may have been technically listed as a starter due to getting the first carry doesn't mean Spiller "has missed quite a bit of time"

Your statement that he's missed a lot of time is just false.

CJ Spiller snap counts 2013 389 33.5% of 1,161 total snaps.

CJ Spiller snap counts 2012 567 56.14 of 1,010 total snaps.

So the Bills ran 151 more offensive plays yet Spiller had 178 less snaps than he did in 2012. If Spiller maintained the 56.14% of the snaps for 2013 (like he had in 2012) that would have been 650+ snaps. He missed a bunch of time due to high ankle sprain, about 260 or so snaps worth of time.

By Mike Rodak | ESPN.com Offensively, the Buffalo Bills' most pressing needs this offseason are at offensive line and tight end. But what about running back?

There isn't much question at the position next season, as Fred Jackson and C.J. Spiller are expected to carry the load once again. In the NFL, though, it's good business to keep an eye further down the road.

Jackson turned 33 last week and enters the final season of his contract. While it would be a shock if Jackson decided to finish his career outside of Buffalo, his age and contract situation present some uncertainty.

Meanwhile, Spiller could also enter the final season of his deal. His six-year rookie contract includes a voidable final year (2015), which could put him on the market next spring.

It's entirely possible that both Jackson and Spiller could return in 2015. If they don't, the Bills have little depth at the position. They promoted Ronnie Wingo from the practice squad last October and he barely saw the field. At this point, he may not be more than a depth-level player.

In January, the Bills signed Anthony Allen, who spent two seasons with the Baltimore Ravens. He brings some experience and special-teams ability that could earn him a roster spot with a strong preseason, but he's not a viable replacement option for Jackson or Spiller.

Enter this May's draft.

The Bills aren't going to target a running back in the first round unless it's an Adrian Peterson-type player, general manager Doug Whaley said last week. There isn't a Adrian Peterson-type player in this year's draft, so don't hold your breath.

But what about the middle rounds? That could be the sweet spot for the Bills to draft a running back.

At last week's combine, the Bills interviewed Boston College running back Andre Williams, who was a finalist for the Heisman Trophy.

"His agent, Erik Burkhardt, had made a good suggestion: Bring a notebook to write down the names of all the people you meet with," wrote TheMMQB.com's Jenny Vrentras. "But in Williams’ first formal meeting, with the Bills on Friday night, he was greeted by eight people upon entering the room. He shook each person’s hand, but there simply wasn’t enough time in the 15-minute window to write down everyone’s name."

Williams is expected to be a mid-round pick and the Bills have a potential long-term need at running back. Still, it's dangerous to read into the Bills' interview, as every NFL team sits down with dozens of players in Indianapolis.

Because of that, it's far too early to say the Bills are "interested" in Williams, but it's not too early to consider running back as a draft need for Buffalo.

Given that both Jackson and Spiller could be gone in 2015 I will be very interested in any RB the Bills draft.

 

[Biabreakable]

You are the person trying to win an argument based on semantics instead of giving me the benefit of the doubt about what I meant by that.

I could care less. Point is I think a rookie RB in Buffalo will be valuable.

I like Spiller and think he will have a monster season if he can ever be healthy enough to play 60% or more of the snaps.

 

[DropKick]

Good situations for a rookie RB:

Miami

New York Jets

Cleveland - Tate

Jacksonville - Gerhart

Oakland - McFadden

New York Giants - Jennings

That's six teams with no clear starter at RB. A rookie who goes to Oakland, Jacksonville, or Cleveland has no obstacles to being the day one starter. Miami and the New York teams have no proven talent, so any rookie who went there would have a really solid chance to carve out immediate PT if not an outright workhorse role.

Decent situations for a rookie RB:

Tennessee

Indianapolis

Houston

Denver

Falcons

Arizona

San Francisco

The Titans are in the same spot the Bengals were last year. They've got a proven 1000+ yard rusher who can be serviceable in spot duty, but he's hardly an ideal option and he'll be vulnerable if they find a more explosive option. I think the Colts are unlikely to invest a high pick at RB, but if you're in the anti-Trent camp then this looks like a pretty wide open spot. Arizona and Denver don't seem like great bets to use a top 75-100 pick on a back, but you can't say either team is obviously settled at the position either. SF, Houston, and Atlanta are in similar situations with possibly fading/declining veteran stars who are about ripe to be supplanted.

All in all, I don't think there's a lack of opportunity for rookie backs. Even if you assume that half the good situations will be filled by FA signings, there should be 3-4 teams with basically wide open situations ala Green Bay/Pittsburgh/St. Louis last year.

Running low on good situations for this year. Long-term there are some good ones, but I don't see much immediate payoff like Lacy or Martin.

Considering the track record of the players filling 4 of those 6 spots I do not think they have those jobs sewn up. McFadden is always getting hurt, Tate and Jennings have missed time pretty often as well, so while they may be the lead RB going into training camp that does not mean a rookie drafted to those teams doesn't have a decent shot for extended playing time.

Other landing spots that I think will cause me to have interest in rookie RBs are:

Buffalo - This team runs the ball a ton. Fred Jackson will be 33 this season and Spiller has missed quite a bit of time in the past.

Miami - I think this job is still pretty wide open.

Jets - I could see a rookie being busy here if Ivory misses time.

Cowboys - If Murray not the long term answer then perhaps they draft a guy to be one.

Giants - RB position still looks open but kind of bad situation w Coughlin still the HC

He has?

In the last 3 years Spiller has only started 29 out of 48 games.

Why do you ask this question?

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SpilC.00.htm

http://www.kffl.com/player/22484/nfl/injury_history/c.j.-spiller

He's played in 47 out of 48 games the last three years. Being listed as a starter has nothing to do with missing time. Just because Fred Jackson may have been technically listed as a starter due to getting the first carry doesn't mean Spiller "has missed quite a bit of time"

Your statement that he's missed a lot of time is just false.

Kind of a "box score analysis" here. As a Spiller owner, I can assure you that he has been nicked up quite a bit and has been at much less than 100%. He may have been on the field... but still unable to trust in your line-up. This is what counts.

Incidentally, he hasn't played in 47 or 48 games. For the record, I don't consider him injury prone and like his future prospects.

 

[TheGreatSpinks]

this RB class is as good as the 2013 class at the top and much deeper.

the situations they could be drafted in is a lot worse though.

Disagree, none of these guys look as good as Eddie Lacy looked in college. Deeper, I can see.

Eddie Lacy didn't look as good as people think. Jeremy Hill and Carlos Hyde are on par with Lacy.

Insanity.

 

[Gandalf]

this RB class is as good as the 2013 class at the top and much deeper.

the situations they could be drafted in is a lot worse though.

Disagree, none of these guys look as good as Eddie Lacy looked in college. Deeper, I can see.

Eddie Lacy didn't look as good as people think. Jeremy Hill and Carlos Hyde are on par with Lacy.

Insanity.

This is true. The Lacy hate got so bad last year, many people thought Franklin would wind up being the starter in Green Bay.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

this RB class is as good as the 2013 class at the top and much deeper.

the situations they could be drafted in is a lot worse though.

Disagree, none of these guys look as good as Eddie Lacy looked in college. Deeper, I can see.

Eddie Lacy didn't look as good as people think. Jeremy Hill and Carlos Hyde are on par with Lacy.

Insanity.

This is true. The Lacy hate got so bad last year, many people thought Franklin would wind up being the starter in Green Bay.

Very true. I'm in a Green Bay homer league, and Franklin was drafted 1.5 in our rookie draft. Lots of folks in our league were 50-50 on which RB would be the starter.

 

[Borden]

Didn't see the Jeremy Hill thread (but I'm my phone) so I will post my opinion here.

Seems to be the most pro ready but he also seems to have the least upside. He doesn't overly run through/over defenders and doesn't have the second gear burst to be elite. He is a solid overall player though.

Best fit to me would Atl. They won't spend a high pick on him but he can be productive enough that RB won't be a concern for them.

 

[OrangeJulius]

I am higher on the RBs in this years draft than I was in last years rookie draft (both at the top end and in depth). I like a lot of these backs.....

This is a very talented group. I could see 5-6 starting backs coming out of this group - maybe more...

Sankey

Mason

Hill

Hyde

Seastrunk

Sims

Freeman

Crowell

Carey

Williams

 

[Gandalf]

Is it possible we are missing the boat on Andre Williams? He is big, fast, runs angry and on the right team could be a FF monster. I just was thinking about the first time I watched Terrell David - a 6th round pick - during a preseason game when he ran through a guy and carried two others 10 yards. I was like dang - who is that guy??? Turned out to be my cowbell for many year. And he only ran a 4.7, and played at 5'10" and 210 lbs.

Could Williams be TD 2.0??? I have heard the Alfred Morris comps but guess who people were comparing Morris to coming out... TD. So I guess that would make Williams possible

More like TD 3.0. And No one thought Davis would do what he did out of college either. Just sayin'...

Oh and if he is the next TD, then obvious he should be going pretty high in FF rookie drafts. So he might be undervalued.