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2014 Rookie RB Class (1 Viewer)

Is it possible we are missing the boat on Andre Williams? He is big, fast, runs angry and on the right team could be a FF monster. I just was thinking about the first time I watched Terrell David - a 6th round pick - during a preseason game when he ran through a guy and carried two others 10 yards. I was like dang - who is that guy??? Turned out to be my cowbell for many year. And he only ran a 4.7, and played at 5'10" and 210 lbs.

Could Williams be TD 2.0??? I have heard the Alfred Morris comps but guess who people were comparing Morris to coming out... TD. So I guess that would make Williams possible

More like TD 3.0. And No one thought Davis would do what he did out of college either. Just sayin'...

Oh and if he is the next TD, then obvious he should be going pretty high in FF rookie drafts. So he might be undervalued.
Supposedly he aced his pro-day, for whatever that is worth. Some scouts said he ran close to a 4.4. If you don't buy into that, he still ran a 4.5 at the combine which means he is still really fast for a 230 pounder. His production in college is outstanding.

His question marks though are still valid. He alledgedly has terrible hands which limits his prospects as a 3 down back. I don't watch ACC football, but some people think that the division is not as competitive as other regions. Is that true?

 
I think he's a little underrated, but I expect him to be picked in rounds 2-3. If he lands on a decent team, there will be plenty of hype.

He is a better fit in non-PPR or mandatory start 2+ RB leagues because he's probably never going to amass the receptions to be a top, top option.

 
I think Crowell and Charles Sims are the most intriguing, but no idea if they will be valued that highly. I also find Terrence West interesting, not sure what to make of his production in college but looks decent on film.

Jeremy Hill, Carlos Hyde, Tre Mason, Sankey for me would be the other top backs. Not sure what order yet.
I agree totally with everything you say. I think West is this years Zac Stacy. Sims looks like Forte to me as he can run/catch and at 6-1 214 running a 4.47 that's awesome.... Crowell if he keeps his head on has some talent and is big and powerful/fast. I like Crowell,sims and West and hope to land these guys in round 2-3 in my rook draft from pick 13-26

 
Is it possible we are missing the boat on Andre Williams? He is big, fast, runs angry and on the right team could be a FF monster. I just was thinking about the first time I watched Terrell David - a 6th round pick - during a preseason game when he ran through a guy and carried two others 10 yards. I was like dang - who is that guy??? Turned out to be my cowbell for many year. And he only ran a 4.7, and played at 5'10" and 210 lbs.

Could Williams be TD 2.0??? I have heard the Alfred Morris comps but guess who people were comparing Morris to coming out... TD. So I guess that would make Williams possible

More like TD 3.0. And No one thought Davis would do what he did out of college either. Just sayin'...

Oh and if he is the next TD, then obvious he should be going pretty high in FF rookie drafts. So he might be undervalued.
He has next to no receiving ability and he struggled in rushes between the tackles, which is pretty worrying for a big back imo, there's good reason to be apprehensive about drafting him in fantasy imo.

 
Is it possible we are missing the boat on Andre Williams? He is big, fast, runs angry and on the right team could be a FF monster. I just was thinking about the first time I watched Terrell David - a 6th round pick - during a preseason game when he ran through a guy and carried two others 10 yards. I was like dang - who is that guy??? Turned out to be my cowbell for many year. And he only ran a 4.7, and played at 5'10" and 210 lbs.

Could Williams be TD 2.0??? I have heard the Alfred Morris comps but guess who people were comparing Morris to coming out... TD. So I guess that would make Williams possible

More like TD 3.0. And No one thought Davis would do what he did out of college either. Just sayin'...

Oh and if he is the next TD, then obvious he should be going pretty high in FF rookie drafts. So he might be undervalued.
Supposedly he aced his pro-day, for whatever that is worth. Some scouts said he ran close to a 4.4. If you don't buy into that, he still ran a 4.5 at the combine which means he is still really fast for a 230 pounder. His production in college is outstanding.

His question marks though are still valid. He alledgedly has terrible hands which limits his prospects as a 3 down back. I don't watch ACC football, but some people think that the division is not as competitive as other regions. Is that true?
How far off am I in thinking Andre Williams is somewhere in between Shonn Greene and Alfred Morris? Or to go back awhile, Rudi Johnson. Andre Williams could have nice value in non-PPR but it looks like his PPR upside is limited.

 
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Is it possible we are missing the boat on Andre Williams? He is big, fast, runs angry and on the right team could be a FF monster. I just was thinking about the first time I watched Terrell David - a 6th round pick - during a preseason game when he ran through a guy and carried two others 10 yards. I was like dang - who is that guy??? Turned out to be my cowbell for many year. And he only ran a 4.7, and played at 5'10" and 210 lbs.

Could Williams be TD 2.0??? I have heard the Alfred Morris comps but guess who people were comparing Morris to coming out... TD. So I guess that would make Williams possible

More like TD 3.0. And No one thought Davis would do what he did out of college either. Just sayin'...

Oh and if he is the next TD, then obvious he should be going pretty high in FF rookie drafts. So he might be undervalued.
He has next to no receiving ability and he struggled in rushes between the tackles, which is pretty worrying for a big back imo, there's good reason to be apprehensive about drafting him in fantasy imo.
Looked fine to me when he actually had a hole.

 
Is it possible we are missing the boat on Andre Williams? He is big, fast, runs angry and on the right team could be a FF monster. I just was thinking about the first time I watched Terrell David - a 6th round pick - during a preseason game when he ran through a guy and carried two others 10 yards. I was like dang - who is that guy??? Turned out to be my cowbell for many year. And he only ran a 4.7, and played at 5'10" and 210 lbs.

Could Williams be TD 2.0??? I have heard the Alfred Morris comps but guess who people were comparing Morris to coming out... TD. So I guess that would make Williams possible

More like TD 3.0. And No one thought Davis would do what he did out of college either. Just sayin'...

Oh and if he is the next TD, then obvious he should be going pretty high in FF rookie drafts. So he might be undervalued.
He has next to no receiving ability and he struggled in rushes between the tackles, which is pretty worrying for a big back imo, there's good reason to be apprehensive about drafting him in fantasy imo.
Looked fine to me when he actually had a hole.
That's the problem, most RBs do well when they have a hole in the league. Williams doesn't have the lateral or creative ability to make something out of nothing. That's a desirable trait. Williams also gained most of his yards off of 1 play(power play) at BC...that's not a good thing.

 
Is it possible we are missing the boat on Andre Williams? He is big, fast, runs angry and on the right team could be a FF monster. I just was thinking about the first time I watched Terrell David - a 6th round pick - during a preseason game when he ran through a guy and carried two others 10 yards. I was like dang - who is that guy??? Turned out to be my cowbell for many year. And he only ran a 4.7, and played at 5'10" and 210 lbs.

Could Williams be TD 2.0??? I have heard the Alfred Morris comps but guess who people were comparing Morris to coming out... TD. So I guess that would make Williams possible

More like TD 3.0. And No one thought Davis would do what he did out of college either. Just sayin'...

Oh and if he is the next TD, then obvious he should be going pretty high in FF rookie drafts. So he might be undervalued.
He has next to no receiving ability and he struggled in rushes between the tackles, which is pretty worrying for a big back imo, there's good reason to be apprehensive about drafting him in fantasy imo.
Looked fine to me when he actually had a hole.
That's the problem, most RBs do well when they have a hole in the league. Williams doesn't have the lateral or creative ability to make something out of nothing. That's a desirable trait. Williams also gained most of his yards off of 1 play(power play) at BC...that's not a good thing.
Most RBs in the nfl get stuffed when there is no hole. Even good ones.

 
Is it possible we are missing the boat on Andre Williams? He is big, fast, runs angry and on the right team could be a FF monster. I just was thinking about the first time I watched Terrell David - a 6th round pick - during a preseason game when he ran through a guy and carried two others 10 yards. I was like dang - who is that guy??? Turned out to be my cowbell for many year. And he only ran a 4.7, and played at 5'10" and 210 lbs.

Could Williams be TD 2.0??? I have heard the Alfred Morris comps but guess who people were comparing Morris to coming out... TD. So I guess that would make Williams possible

More like TD 3.0. And No one thought Davis would do what he did out of college either. Just sayin'...

Oh and if he is the next TD, then obvious he should be going pretty high in FF rookie drafts. So he might be undervalued.
He has next to no receiving ability and he struggled in rushes between the tackles, which is pretty worrying for a big back imo, there's good reason to be apprehensive about drafting him in fantasy imo.
Looked fine to me when he actually had a hole.
That's the problem, most RBs do well when they have a hole in the league. Williams doesn't have the lateral or creative ability to make something out of nothing. That's a desirable trait. Williams also gained most of his yards off of 1 play(power play) at BC...that's not a good thing.
Most RBs in the nfl get stuffed when there is no hole. Even good ones.
Most NFL rbs can do something to gain a few yards no matter what, otherwise u don't have a job for long.

 
Is it possible we are missing the boat on Andre Williams? He is big, fast, runs angry and on the right team could be a FF monster. I just was thinking about the first time I watched Terrell David - a 6th round pick - during a preseason game when he ran through a guy and carried two others 10 yards. I was like dang - who is that guy??? Turned out to be my cowbell for many year. And he only ran a 4.7, and played at 5'10" and 210 lbs.

Could Williams be TD 2.0??? I have heard the Alfred Morris comps but guess who people were comparing Morris to coming out... TD. So I guess that would make Williams possible

More like TD 3.0. And No one thought Davis would do what he did out of college either. Just sayin'...

Oh and if he is the next TD, then obvious he should be going pretty high in FF rookie drafts. So he might be undervalued.
He has next to no receiving ability and he struggled in rushes between the tackles, which is pretty worrying for a big back imo, there's good reason to be apprehensive about drafting him in fantasy imo.
Looked fine to me when he actually had a hole.
That's the problem, most RBs do well when they have a hole in the league. Williams doesn't have the lateral or creative ability to make something out of nothing. That's a desirable trait. Williams also gained most of his yards off of 1 play(power play) at BC...that's not a good thing.
Most RBs in the nfl get stuffed when there is no hole. Even good ones.
Most NFL rbs can do something to gain a few yards no matter what, otherwise u don't have a job for long.
Probably depends on what the meaning of 'no hole' is. My guess is we probably basically agree. If there is a little hole then yes you need to gain yards. We have all seen 8 men fronts stuff plenty of talented players for entire games.

 
Gandalf said:
tdmills said:
Gandalf said:
tdmills said:
cstu said:
Time Kibitzer said:
Gandalf said:
Is it possible we are missing the boat on Andre Williams? He is big, fast, runs angry and on the right team could be a FF monster. I just was thinking about the first time I watched Terrell David - a 6th round pick - during a preseason game when he ran through a guy and carried two others 10 yards. I was like dang - who is that guy??? Turned out to be my cowbell for many year. And he only ran a 4.7, and played at 5'10" and 210 lbs.

Could Williams be TD 2.0??? I have heard the Alfred Morris comps but guess who people were comparing Morris to coming out... TD. So I guess that would make Williams possible

More like TD 3.0. And No one thought Davis would do what he did out of college either. Just sayin'...

Oh and if he is the next TD, then obvious he should be going pretty high in FF rookie drafts. So he might be undervalued.
He has next to no receiving ability and he struggled in rushes between the tackles, which is pretty worrying for a big back imo, there's good reason to be apprehensive about drafting him in fantasy imo.
Looked fine to me when he actually had a hole.
That's the problem, most RBs do well when they have a hole in the league. Williams doesn't have the lateral or creative ability to make something out of nothing. That's a desirable trait. Williams also gained most of his yards off of 1 play(power play) at BC...that's not a good thing.
Most RBs in the nfl get stuffed when there is no hole. Even good ones.
Most NFL rbs can do something to gain a few yards no matter what, otherwise u don't have a job for long.
Probably depends on what the meaning of 'no hole' is. My guess is we probably basically agree. If there is a little hole then yes you need to gain yards. We have all seen 8 men fronts stuff plenty of talented players for entire games.
True, but according to the rotoworld metrics those weren't the kind of fronts Williams faced very often. He faced stacked fronts just 19.8% of the time, which is considerably less than other draft prospects who averaged facing stacked fronts on 30-40% of their carries, then on the other end of the spectrum there's KaDeem Carey who faced stacked fronts on 48% of his carries.

 
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Gandalf said:
tdmills said:
Gandalf said:
tdmills said:
cstu said:
Time Kibitzer said:
Gandalf said:
Is it possible we are missing the boat on Andre Williams? He is big, fast, runs angry and on the right team could be a FF monster. I just was thinking about the first time I watched Terrell David - a 6th round pick - during a preseason game when he ran through a guy and carried two others 10 yards. I was like dang - who is that guy??? Turned out to be my cowbell for many year. And he only ran a 4.7, and played at 5'10" and 210 lbs.

Could Williams be TD 2.0??? I have heard the Alfred Morris comps but guess who people were comparing Morris to coming out... TD. So I guess that would make Williams possible

More like TD 3.0. And No one thought Davis would do what he did out of college either. Just sayin'...

Oh and if he is the next TD, then obvious he should be going pretty high in FF rookie drafts. So he might be undervalued.
He has next to no receiving ability and he struggled in rushes between the tackles, which is pretty worrying for a big back imo, there's good reason to be apprehensive about drafting him in fantasy imo.
Looked fine to me when he actually had a hole.
That's the problem, most RBs do well when they have a hole in the league. Williams doesn't have the lateral or creative ability to make something out of nothing. That's a desirable trait. Williams also gained most of his yards off of 1 play(power play) at BC...that's not a good thing.
Most RBs in the nfl get stuffed when there is no hole. Even good ones.
Most NFL rbs can do something to gain a few yards no matter what, otherwise u don't have a job for long.
Probably depends on what the meaning of 'no hole' is. My guess is we probably basically agree. If there is a little hole then yes you need to gain yards. We have all seen 8 men fronts stuff plenty of talented players for entire games.
True, but according to the rotoworld metrics those weren't the kind of fronts Williams faced very often. He faced stacked fronts just 19.8% of the time, which is considerably less than other draft prospects who averaged facing stacked fronts on 30-40% of their carries, then on the other end of the spectrum there's KaDeem Carey who faced stacked fronts on 48% of his carries.
That is GREAT information. Of course then it depends what happened in the times when facing stacked defenses. Sounds like Carey will be undervalued potentially on draft day also.

 
Gandalf said:
tdmills said:
Gandalf said:
tdmills said:
cstu said:
Time Kibitzer said:
Gandalf said:
Is it possible we are missing the boat on Andre Williams? He is big, fast, runs angry and on the right team could be a FF monster. I just was thinking about the first time I watched Terrell David - a 6th round pick - during a preseason game when he ran through a guy and carried two others 10 yards. I was like dang - who is that guy??? Turned out to be my cowbell for many year. And he only ran a 4.7, and played at 5'10" and 210 lbs.

Could Williams be TD 2.0??? I have heard the Alfred Morris comps but guess who people were comparing Morris to coming out... TD. So I guess that would make Williams possible

More like TD 3.0. And No one thought Davis would do what he did out of college either. Just sayin'...

Oh and if he is the next TD, then obvious he should be going pretty high in FF rookie drafts. So he might be undervalued.
He has next to no receiving ability and he struggled in rushes between the tackles, which is pretty worrying for a big back imo, there's good reason to be apprehensive about drafting him in fantasy imo.
Looked fine to me when he actually had a hole.
That's the problem, most RBs do well when they have a hole in the league. Williams doesn't have the lateral or creative ability to make something out of nothing. That's a desirable trait. Williams also gained most of his yards off of 1 play(power play) at BC...that's not a good thing.
Most RBs in the nfl get stuffed when there is no hole. Even good ones.
Most NFL rbs can do something to gain a few yards no matter what, otherwise u don't have a job for long.
Probably depends on what the meaning of 'no hole' is. My guess is we probably basically agree. If there is a little hole then yes you need to gain yards. We have all seen 8 men fronts stuff plenty of talented players for entire games.
I agree. With limited lateral agility, Williams can't excel if a hole isn't given(those are smaller and less often than in college). He's a big boy that's great in a straight line(dime a dozen in the NFL IMO).

 
I've never seen a RB class as all over the place as this, no consensus whatsoever. It doesn't help that we have 6 RB's between 201-209 lbs., not one of which has an elite 40 time. The guy that many people had ranked #1 (Carey) blew the combine. The guy who looks the best on paper (Sankey) doesn't impress me when I watch him play.

Rank Player Height Weight 40 Time School D.Heins W.Wood Swinderm D.Hosler Avg Change1 KaDeem Carey 5'9" 207 4.7 Arizona 2 3 2 3 2.5 2 Carlos Hyde 6'0" 230 4.66 Ohio State 3 2 5 4 3.5 3 Devonta Freeman 5'8" 206 4.58 Florida State 1 12 3 2 4.5 4 Lache Seastrunk 5'9" 201 4.51 Baylor 5 9 7 1 5.5 5 Bishop Sankey 5'9" 209 4.49 Washington 9 1 4 11 6.25 6 Storm Johnson 6'0" 209 4.6 UCF 4 8 9 5 6.5 7 Tre Mason 5'8" 207 4.5 Auburn 6 5 10 8 7.25 8 Jeremy Hill 6'1" 233 4.66 LSU 11 4 6 10 7.75 9 Isaiah Crowell 5'11" 224 4.57 Alabama State 8 21 1 6 9 310 Andre Williams 5'11" 230 4.56 Boston College 10 7 11 9 9.25 Edit: ignore the color, it doesn't mean anything.
Sorry if this is a Honda but I didn't see this anywhere and thought it was worth passing along.

Stumbled upon an in-depth study of how to break-down the RB position using a combination of 5 metrics (3-cone, Agility, Speed, Quick-Twitch) from draft prospects dating from 2006 to the present draft class that was used to come to a final rating.

Too much to cut-and-paste along with tons of graphs and charts that don't transfer so head to the linked article.

http://www.allprofootballsource.com/2014-nfl-draft-holy-grail-running-back-scouting/

2014 NFL draft: The Holy Grail of Running Back ScoutingJames Cobern / 5 days ago March 21, 2014
Running back is one of the hardest positions to scout in college football. System and scheme have a large influence in the success of the position in the college ranks and the NFL. Which only makes more time and film work to find the diamond in the rough player all the while knowing you could just as easily be making the job of throwing darts at a board harder than it really is. However, the world of analytics is here, and after learning of a few simple formulas on a blog post by a user named Waldo. I’ve found the holy grail of running back scouting.

Using these formulas below, I’m going to show you a world where one number can be the difference between a Pro Bowler and a Jag.

“Mass = weight/height

Explosive Power = (vert+3.5*broad)*(weight/height)/3000

Speed 10 = 100*(1-(10 Split/(0.0114*(weight/height)+1.1785)))

Speed 40 = 100*(1-(40 time/(0.0397*(weight/height)+3.092)))

Speed Avg = (Speed 10 + Speed 40)/2

Agility = 100*(1-(3 Cone/(0.0573*(weight/height)+4.8403)))

Twitch = Shuttle – 2*10 yd split – (1.60 – 10 yd split)”

These are Waldo’s formulas that I have tweaked and applied to all the running backs who attended the NFL Scouting Combine from 2006-2013. With this data collected and calculated, I added the 2014 NFL draft rookie running backs to see where they fall in the data set to give us a better historical idea of what their success could likely be.

But before I show you the results, here are a few definitions of terms to help your understanding.

Explosive Power Score: Uses the vertical jump and broad jump of a player with their density to determine how powerful their lower body is out of their stance. The higher the number, the more explosive the player is.

Speed 10 Score: Determines whether a player’s 10 yard split is positive or negative compared to the mean determined by mass density.

Speed 40 Score: Determines whether a player’s 40 yard dash is positive or negative compared to the mean determined by mass density.

Speed Average: The average of the Speed 10 and Speed 40 score.

Agility Score: Determines whether a player’s 3-Cone is positive or negative compared to the mean determined by mass density.

Twitch Score: Determines how sudden a player is in by subtracting the short shuttle by the 10 yard split times two with an additional modifier to reward players who are fast. The lower the number, the more quick twitch the player should have on tape.

With that said, here are the results.

Starting with the explosive score, six rookies scored an explosive score of .90 or higher.
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At that point in the article Cobern busts out the charts and graphs.

 
Interesting stuff for sure. I don't know what it all means other than I may have to take a longer look at David Fluellen.
It also piqued my interest in George Atkinson. I watched the only video of him there is at draftbreakdown and he's a virtual clone of AP physically. Unfortunately he plays like a soft AP and can't break a tackle.

 
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Seems like Tre Mason is getting a lot of love right now and has a chance to be the first RB taken in a lot of dynasty rookie drafts.
It seems to be boiling down to Hyde/Mason/Sankey, in no particular order, as the clear top 3 RB's in the NFL draft.

 
I would not be surprised to see him as the first RB taken in the NFL draft this year. Much like Bernard last year, he represents maybe the best overall package of college production, high subjective scouting grades, and reassuring combine numbers.

Ultimately, a lot of it will hinge on team preference. A team like the Seahawks that seems to put a lot of stock in SPARQ/combine numbers would never consider a player like Hyde or Hill. A team like Dallas that doesn't seem to look at that stuff much at all could go for one of those guys.

 
I would not be surprised to see him as the first RB taken in the NFL draft this year. Much like Bernard last year, he represents maybe the best overall package of college production, high subjective scouting grades, and reassuring combine numbers.

Ultimately, a lot of it will hinge on team preference. A team like the Seahawks that seems to put a lot of stock in SPARQ/combine numbers would never consider a player like Hyde or Hill. A team like Dallas that doesn't seem to look at that stuff much at all could go for one of those guys.
What are your thoughts on Seastrunk about where he should go in dynasty drafts? I guess the landing spot means a lot for a player like Seastrunk. What are his ideal landing spots and bad ones, obviously ignoring those with a cemented young starter?

 
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I would not be surprised to see him as the first RB taken in the NFL draft this year. Much like Bernard last year, he represents maybe the best overall package of college production, high subjective scouting grades, and reassuring combine numbers.

Ultimately, a lot of it will hinge on team preference. A team like the Seahawks that seems to put a lot of stock in SPARQ/combine numbers would never consider a player like Hyde or Hill. A team like Dallas that doesn't seem to look at that stuff much at all could go for one of those guys.
What are your thoughts on Seastrunk about where he should go in dynasty drafts? I guess the landing spot means a lot for a player like Seastrunk. What are his ideal landing spots and bad ones, obviously ignoring those with a cemented young starter?
I still like Seastrunk. I've said previously that he, Mason, and Andre Williams are the only backs in the draft who I'd take in the top 100 if I were running an NFL team. I think they provide the most unique characteristics of the top guys. The most value over your typical day three mediocrities.

The thing is, he's not that highly-regarded by some of the pundits I trust and if he goes 3rd-4th round of the NFL draft then it will be difficult to justify using a top 5-6 rookie pick on him. He's a player that I'd feel a lot better taking in the second half of the first round.

I think he fits in a lot of NFL teams because even if he goes somewhere like Pittsburgh or Jacksonville where there's a decent 230+ pound back already on the roster, he should get snaps in an Ellington kind of role as the explosive complement. And from there if he proves himself then he can eventually get a bigger workload ala Charles or Rice.

I don't know too much about specific fits. Almost every team could use a guy with his explosive north-south ability. With so much turnover at the RB position and so few elite young RBs in the league right, I don't think there are a lot of terrible landing spots for him. Cincinnati, Arizona, Buffalo, and Detroit wouldn't make much sense given the guys they already have. Maybe some place like Atlanta or Tennessee would be ideal. Nice pieces in place at WR. No obvious heir apparent at RB. The thought of him playing in a dome with Ryan/Julio is pretty enticing, but that's still a 1/32 shot.

 
You don't need to be a workout freak to be a very good RB.
Where did I say otherwise?

I'm explaining why Crowell won't vault up the board like Michael did. He's not really that fast or explosive. He's not the type of guy who seems likely to rip up the combine. Thus I think he's more like Brown (who had pretty "meh" workout numbers apart from his 40) than Michael. A fallen prep star whose spotty background will push him down into day three.
Bad workout numbers aren't going to hurt him. His on-field play was better than what I saw from Michael. How many people were high on Michael BEFORE the combine?

Here are my current rankings for RB and WR:

RB

  1. Isaiah Crowell
  2. Bishop Sankey
  3. Carlos Hyde
  4. Tre Mason
  5. Antonio Andrews
  6. Lache Seastrunk
  7. Jeremy Hill
  8. Stephen Houston
  9. Ka’Deem Carey
  10. James White
  11. Devonta Freeman
  12. James Wilder, Jr.
  13. Andre Williams
  14. Charles Sims
  15. Tim Flanders
  16. Terrance West
  17. David Fluellen
  18. Zurlon Tipton
  19. Henry Josey
  20. Brendan Bigelow
  21. Marion Grice
WR

  1. Mike Evans
  2. Sammy Watkins
  3. Odell Beckham, Jr.
  4. Davante Adams
  5. Allen Robinson
  6. Brandin Cooks
  7. Jordan Matthews
  8. Marqise Lee
  9. Chris Boyd
  10. Cody Hoffman
  11. Cody Latimer
  12. Kelvin Benjamin
  13. Paul Richardson
  14. Ryan Grant
  15. TJ Jones
  16. Jarvis Landry
  17. Josh Huff
  18. Donte Moncrief
  19. Martavis Bryant
  20. Robert Herron
  21. Matt Hazel
  22. Jalen Saunders
  23. Jared Abbrederis
  24. Austin Franklin
  25. Kain Colter
  26. Mike Davis
  27. L’Damian Washington
  28. Quincy Enunwa
  29. Shaquelle Evans
  30. Chandler Jones
Interesting to see Stephen Houston that high. Are there any complete game videos of him on the internet? From the numbers out there, it looks like he has pretty good college stats, good size, and bad speed.
No. I'm in the process of cutting some up. He's essentially Andre Williams with hands. Built like Eddie Lacy, runs like DeMarco Murray.

Here is a highlight vid to hold you over: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxsfCoEDSZ0
Stephen Houston ran in the 4.5's and had a 40" Vertical 11' Broad Jump today. Yup, Andre Williams with hands.

Now people know why he was in my top 10.

 
Interesting to see Stephen Houston that high. Are there any complete game videos of him on the internet? From the numbers out there, it looks like he has pretty good college stats, good size, and bad speed.
No. I'm in the process of cutting some up. He's essentially Andre Williams with hands. Built like Eddie Lacy, runs like DeMarco Murray.

Here is a highlight vid to hold you over: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxsfCoEDSZ0
Stephen Houston ran in the 4.5's and had a 40" Vertical 11' Broad Jump today. Yup, Andre Williams with hands.

Now people know why he was in my top 10.
Nice call on Houston. Looks like he'd be a perfect fit to take over after Arian Foster for the (Houston) Texans.

 
Okay. So explain Chris Boyd and Antonio Andrews.
I was high on Stephen Houston before his Pro Day. His performance didn't change my mind much.

I was high on Boyd and Andrews before the Combine. Their underwhelming performances didn't change my mind on them.

Boyd has great size and great hands and is strong in the redzone. He was ready to match Matthews' numbers last season if it wasn't for the legal trouble he got into. Boyd has more natural WR skill than a Combine freak like Donte Moncrief.

Andrews had great Yards After Contact metrics and looked very good vs top competition like Tennessee. He was one of the best pass protectors and route runners at the Senior Bowl.

Let's see you rank 21 RBs and 30 WRs.

 
Interesting to see Stephen Houston that high. Are there any complete game videos of him on the internet? From the numbers out there, it looks like he has pretty good college stats, good size, and bad speed.
No. I'm in the process of cutting some up. He's essentially Andre Williams with hands. Built like Eddie Lacy, runs like DeMarco Murray.

Here is a highlight vid to hold you over: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxsfCoEDSZ0
Stephen Houston ran in the 4.5's and had a 40" Vertical 11' Broad Jump today. Yup, Andre Williams with hands.

Now people know why he was in my top 10.
Nice call on Houston. Looks like he'd be a perfect fit to take over after Arian Foster for the (Houston) Texans.
Houston wasn't even the most successful RB on IU this year.

 
Okay. So explain Chris Boyd and Antonio Andrews.
I was high on Stephen Houston before his Pro Day. His performance didn't change my mind much.

I was high on Boyd and Andrews before the Combine. Their underwhelming performances didn't change my mind on them.
The "now people can see why he was in my top 10" comment seems like a suggestion that his combine performance should be changing everyone's mind about him. If we're supposed to be impressed by a strong workout then it seems like maybe a bad workout would be expected to have the opposite effect. Hence the Boyd and Andrews comment. But you're saying that the workouts aren't changing your mind much, so maybe I misunderstood the initial comment about Houston.

I thought Boyd was really bad at the combine. He tested bad and looked bad in the drills. I expect him to go undrafted. I think Andrews will also go undrafted based on his 4.8X 40 times. An irritating habit of the armchair scouts on here (myself included) is to trumpet their hits and sweep their failures under the rug. We tend to have a selective memory about the times we were right so we can toot our horn and pump our own egos. Couldn't resist taking a swipe at the Houston boast when the more egregious misses on Andrews and Boyd on the same list were staring me in the face. Sorry.

It takes stones to put rankings out and I appreciate honest opinions, even if they don't all resonate.

 
Okay. So explain Chris Boyd and Antonio Andrews.
I was high on Stephen Houston before his Pro Day. His performance didn't change my mind much.

I was high on Boyd and Andrews before the Combine. Their underwhelming performances didn't change my mind on them.
The "now people can see why he was in my top 10" comment seems like a suggestion that his combine performance should be changing everyone's mind about him. If we're supposed to be impressed by a strong workout then it seems like maybe a bad workout would be expected to have the opposite effect. Hence the Boyd and Andrews comment. But you're saying that the workouts aren't changing your mind much, so maybe I misunderstood the initial comment about Houston.

I thought Boyd was really bad at the combine. He tested bad and looked bad in the drills. I expect him to go undrafted. I think Andrews will also go undrafted based on his 4.8X 40 times. An irritating habit of the armchair scouts on here (myself included) is to trumpet their hits and sweep their failures under the rug. We tend to have a selective memory about the times we were right so we can toot our horn and pump our own egos. Couldn't resist taking a swipe at the Houston boast when the more egregious misses on Andrews and Boyd on the same list were staring me in the face. Sorry.

It takes stones to put rankings out and I appreciate honest opinions, even if they don't all resonate.
I felt I'd seen enough of Houston to confidently put him in my top 10 at the time. His Pro Day is for those who haven't seen him or wrote him off already. A bad or good workout shouldn't change your mind much on a player if you already feel strongly about your evaluation of that player, good or bad. I think those numbers absolutely have to make OTHER people re-consider or put Houston on their radars.

Boyd wasn't 100% at the combine and you can see him limping in his routes if you watch closely. In the route drills and gauntlet, he showed great hands technique and solid routes for an injured guy and looked a lot better than Allen Robinson, who I thought looked horrible. Boyd's tape is a lot more impressive than Moncrief. Robinson's tape is better than his Combine workout. (Though, I will probably move Moncrief up).

Boyd and Andrews may very well go Undrafted, but I'm not in this for correctly projecting draft position. I'm in it for correctly evaluating talent.

 
Okay. So explain Chris Boyd and Antonio Andrews.
I was high on Stephen Houston before his Pro Day. His performance didn't change my mind much.

I was high on Boyd and Andrews before the Combine. Their underwhelming performances didn't change my mind on them.
The "now people can see why he was in my top 10" comment seems like a suggestion that his combine performance should be changing everyone's mind about him. If we're supposed to be impressed by a strong workout then it seems like maybe a bad workout would be expected to have the opposite effect. Hence the Boyd and Andrews comment. But you're saying that the workouts aren't changing your mind much, so maybe I misunderstood the initial comment about Houston.

I thought Boyd was really bad at the combine. He tested bad and looked bad in the drills. I expect him to go undrafted. I think Andrews will also go undrafted based on his 4.8X 40 times. An irritating habit of the armchair scouts on here (myself included) is to trumpet their hits and sweep their failures under the rug. We tend to have a selective memory about the times we were right so we can toot our horn and pump our own egos. Couldn't resist taking a swipe at the Houston boast when the more egregious misses on Andrews and Boyd on the same list were staring me in the face. Sorry.

It takes stones to put rankings out and I appreciate honest opinions, even if they don't all resonate.
I felt I'd seen enough of Houston to confidently put him in my top 10 at the time. His Pro Day is for those who haven't seen him or wrote him off already. A bad or good workout shouldn't change your mind much on a player if you already feel strongly about your evaluation of that player, good or bad. I think those numbers absolutely have to make OTHER people re-consider or put Houston on their radars.

Boyd wasn't 100% at the combine and you can see him limping in his routes if you watch closely. In the route drills and gauntlet, he showed great hands technique and solid routes for an injured guy and looked a lot better than Allen Robinson, who I thought looked horrible. Boyd's tape is a lot more impressive than Moncrief. Robinson's tape is better than his Combine workout. (Though, I will probably move Moncrief up).

Boyd and Andrews may very well go Undrafted, but I'm not in this for correctly projecting draft position. I'm in it for correctly evaluating talent.
Houston on film looks kinda special - good size/speed too...His pro-day performance in intriguing. You may have something with Houston!

Andrews on the other hand...

 
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Boyd wasn't 100% at the combine and you can see him limping in his routes if you watch closely. In the route drills and gauntlet, he showed great hands technique and solid routes for an injured guy and looked a lot better than Allen Robinson, who I thought looked horrible. Boyd's tape is a lot more impressive than Moncrief. Robinson's tape is better than his Combine workout. (Though, I will probably move Moncrief up).

Boyd and Andrews may very well go Undrafted, but I'm not in this for correctly projecting draft position. I'm in it for correctly evaluating talent.
When you play in leagues with people and/or read their posts on the forums for several years, you start to learn how they think and what impresses them. Certain owners in my leagues only draft workout warriors, really fast players, really tall receivers, really mobile quarterbacks, etc. It's at a point where I kinda know in advance which players they're likely to covet and which they aren't based solely on their tendencies. You put more emphasis on "hands technique" than anyone else I've ever encountered. Not to say that it isn't relevant, but I think sometimes you overvalue that trait at the expense of others.

With that in mind, you'd be a prime candidate to dog Moncrief (a height/weight/speed monster with spotty pure WR skills) while touting someone like Boyd (a marginal athlete with decent body control and jump ball skills). One guy is good at the skills you seem to covet most while the other is strong in other areas that you don't seem to value that highly. In this case, I'd say it's just a mistake on your part. Boyd isn't athletic enough to play in the NFL, so his sticky hands don't matter. Likewise, even though Moncrief is a flawed receiver, he has a few specific physical traits that are so dynamic that he should still be able to find some success. I'd bet my net worth on Moncrief having the better NFL career if the two remain healthy and out of trouble.

That isn't a prediction about draft position, although draft position is a pretty good predictor of expected career value. Everyone in the universe expects Moncrief to be a much higher pick than Boyd. Red flag #1.

When you get new information that contradicts your take on a player, you can either adjust accordingly or stand your ground. Sometimes the latter will be correct. I think it's wise to at least consider moving the needle though. I'm in a similar position with Branden Oliver. I always liked him on video (though his lack of height was apparent all along). However, he didn't get invited to any of the major all-star games and he didn't even get a combine invite. It seems extremely unlikely that he's going to be drafted. He'll be a camp body and MAYBE make a roster as a #3. It's always possible that he'll still turn into a decent pro, but it seems like I'd have to be pretty stubborn not to adjust at all based on the new information.

In general, my experience is that being brutally honest with yourself is better than living in denial to protect your ego. You don't learn anything from your mistakes if you're not honest enough with yourself to admit them. In terms of scouting prospects, that comes into play not only with reassessing an overall approach, but also with reassessing specific individual evaluations. It doesn't mean you have to change your mind every time a new piece of information comes into play, but rather that it's good to stay flexible and at least consider whether or not new information might influence your thinking. It would be really hard for me to stand my ground on Boyd and Andrews given that they tested horribly and are projected as UDFAs, but every now and then there's an Arian Foster, so I guess you never know.

 
Dynasty Walkers said:
Seems like Tre Mason is getting a lot of love right now and has a chance to be the first RB taken in a lot of dynasty rookie drafts.
It seems to be boiling down to Hyde/Mason/Sankey, in no particular order, as the clear top 3 RB's in the NFL draft.
I agree with you. I also like Jeremy Hill. I would throw Hill in the pack and say that they are the top 4 RBs as the clear top 4 backs....

 
Charles Sims has been compared to Matt Forte, but I see Lorenzo Taliaferro as a much better comp to Forte.

Taliaferro put up near-identical Combine numbers to Forte at a heavier weight and better 3-cone and shuttle than Sims.

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=125401&draftyear=2014&genpos=RB

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=33758&draftyear=2008&genpos=RB

He made a nice move here: http://lifesyourcupfb.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/taliaferroshake2.gif

Was unbelievable in pass protection drills and showed solid hands at the Senior Bowl.

Also compares favorably to Rashad Jennings and came from the same conference.

 
You don't need to be a workout freak to be a very good RB.
Where did I say otherwise?

I'm explaining why Crowell won't vault up the board like Michael did. He's not really that fast or explosive. He's not the type of guy who seems likely to rip up the combine. Thus I think he's more like Brown (who had pretty "meh" workout numbers apart from his 40) than Michael. A fallen prep star whose spotty background will push him down into day three.
Bad workout numbers aren't going to hurt him. His on-field play was better than what I saw from Michael. How many people were high on Michael BEFORE the combine?

Here are my current rankings for RB and WR:

RB

  • Isaiah Crowell
  • Bishop Sankey
  • Carlos Hyde
  • Tre Mason
  • Antonio Andrews
  • Lache Seastrunk
  • Jeremy Hill
  • Stephen Houston
  • KaDeem Carey
  • James White
  • Devonta Freeman
  • James Wilder, Jr.
  • Andre Williams
  • Charles Sims
  • Tim Flanders
  • Terrance West
  • David Fluellen
  • Zurlon Tipton
  • Henry Josey
  • Brendan Bigelow
  • Marion Grice
WR

  • Mike Evans
  • Sammy Watkins
  • Odell Beckham, Jr.
  • Davante Adams
  • Allen Robinson
  • Brandin Cooks
  • Jordan Matthews
  • Marqise Lee
  • Chris Boyd
  • Cody Hoffman
  • Cody Latimer
  • Kelvin Benjamin
  • Paul Richardson
  • Ryan Grant
  • TJ Jones
  • Jarvis Landry
  • Josh Huff
  • Donte Moncrief
  • Martavis Bryant
  • Robert Herron
  • Matt Hazel
  • Jalen Saunders
  • Jared Abbrederis
  • Austin Franklin
  • Kain Colter
  • Mike Davis
  • LDamian Washington
  • Quincy Enunwa
  • Shaquelle Evans
  • Chandler Jones
Interesting to see Stephen Houston that high. Are there any complete game videos of him on the internet? From the numbers out there, it looks like he has pretty good college stats, good size, and bad speed.
No. I'm in the process of cutting some up. He's essentially Andre Williams with hands. Built like Eddie Lacy, runs like DeMarco Murray.

Here is a highlight vid to hold you over:

XUE - I appreciate your perspective and I am interested in hearing more of your thoughts, but three things just jumping off the page about your RB rankings are:1- Andrews too high

2- Wilder too high

3- Simms too low

Houston could be a find. I had NO idea who he was until I saw your rankings about a month ago, and watch a few youtube videos (and I watch a LOT of Big Ten Football).

I am interested to hear your thoughts on the "overall 2014 RB Class". I have read about your feelings on the 2015 class and I agree that could be a very talented group. What are your feelings on this years RBs both individually and as a whole...

 
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I think I'm going to wait to see landing spots. I have the 5th pick in one league, and the 2 and 6 in another. I am going to see where NFL GMs put their chips on some of these guys. Right now it's a total tossup but you might see some seperation during the draft. I mean if one guy goes 35 and the next isn't picked until 55, that kind of tells you something.

Look at last season, you had no backs in the first round and then 5 backs in the second.

2013

1) (2.5) 37 Giovani Bernard Bengals North Carolina

2) (2.16) 48 Le'Veon Bell Steelers Michigan State

3) (2.26) 58 Montee Ball Broncos Wisconsin

4) (2.29) 61 Eddie Lacy Packers Alabama

5) (2.30) 62 Christine Michael Seahawks Texas A&M

I like all the backs in that cluster. I have Lacy over all of them but obviously no system is perfect. I think watching where NFL owners value players is probably my single most important input. I don't have an NFL scouting background and I've never been in a war room. I don't watch much college football. But I do subscribe to the "follow the money" theory in life. Draft picks are the currency in play here. I'd just as soon wait and see where these guys land (not necessarily which team, but which round and pic). I think that's probably the most accurate indicator of future value. I mean, you knew Ball and Michael were going to struggle to get on the field because of their coaches respective philosophies (Fox doesn't really play rookies and Pete is all about the competition and nobody was beating out Beast). The other three had and have a ton of dynasty value right now.

Obviously I whiffed on Trent Richardson using this philosophy but to be honest, that's ok. Everyone whiffed on him. I'm more interested to see if Carlos Hyde goes 35 or 85 in the draft. That will sway my opinion a lot more than some youtube highlight reals or Mike Mayock.

 
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I think I'm going to wait to see landing spots. I have the 5th pick in one league, and the 2 and 6 in another. I am going to see where NFL GMs put their chips on some of these guys. Right now it's a total tossup but you might see some seperation during the draft. I mean if one guy goes 35 and the next isn't picked until 55, that kind of tells you something.

Look at last season, you had no backs in the first round and then 5 backs in the second.

2013

1) (2.5) 37 Giovani Bernard Bengals North Carolina

2) (2.16) 48 Le'Veon Bell Steelers Michigan State

3) (2.26) 58 Montee Ball Broncos Wisconsin

4) (2.29) 61 Eddie Lacy Packers Alabama

5) (2.30) 62 Christine Michael Seahawks Texas A&M

I like all the backs in that cluster. I have Lacy over all of them but obviously no system is perfect. I think watching where NFL owners value players is probably my single most important input. I don't have an NFL scouting background and I've never been in a war room. I don't watch much college football. But I do subscribe to the "follow the money" theory in life. Draft picks are the currency in play here. I'd just as soon wait and see where these guys land (not necessarily which team, but which round and pic). I think that's probably the most accurate indicator of future value. I mean, you knew Ball and Michael were going to struggle to get on the field because of their coaches respective philosophies (Fox doesn't really play rookies and Pete is all about the competition and nobody was beating out Beast). The other three had and have a ton of dynasty value right now.

Obviously I whiffed on Trent Richardson using this philosophy but to be honest, that's ok. Everyone whiffed on him. I'm more interested to see if Carlos Hyde goes 35 or 85 in the draft. That will sway my opinion a lot more than some youtube highlight reals or Mike Mayock.
You make a valid point. I would add that the depth at RB in this draft may influence NFL GMs to wait on RBs a round or two. NFL GMs could say "there are a lot of RBs in this draft-Ill wait to jump on one". Relying on NFL GMs alone is not a bad strategy for a guy like yourself who does not follow college football. It's a pretty good default strategy for you. It's the equivalent to an investor who does not know which stocks or mutual funds to pick..... The best strategy for that type of investor is to throw all of their money in an index fund. This way your not going to make the big mistake and blow up your portfolio and massively underperform.

I personally like to select my own mutual funds based on the portfolio managers style and historical performance (and select buy a few stocks on my own). I'm the same way with my NFL fantasy selections. More of a self manager type.... I trust my own eyes vs someone else's...

I disagree with the comment "you knew that Ball and Michael were going to struggle to get on the field". Ball went 1.1 in one of my rookie drafts and the fantasy community was almost a consensus that he was the best short term situation. Also, I thought that Michael would/could at least beat out Turbin, be the backup, and see SOME action...

 
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I think I'm going to wait to see landing spots. I have the 5th pick in one league, and the 2 and 6 in another. I am going to see where NFL GMs put their chips on some of these guys. Right now it's a total tossup but you might see some seperation during the draft. I mean if one guy goes 35 and the next isn't picked until 55, that kind of tells you something.

Look at last season, you had no backs in the first round and then 5 backs in the second.

2013

1) (2.5) 37 Giovani Bernard Bengals North Carolina

2) (2.16) 48 Le'Veon Bell Steelers Michigan State

3) (2.26) 58 Montee Ball Broncos Wisconsin

4) (2.29) 61 Eddie Lacy Packers Alabama

5) (2.30) 62 Christine Michael Seahawks Texas A&M

I like all the backs in that cluster. I have Lacy over all of them but obviously no system is perfect. I think watching where NFL owners value players is probably my single most important input. I don't have an NFL scouting background and I've never been in a war room. I don't watch much college football. But I do subscribe to the "follow the money" theory in life. Draft picks are the currency in play here. I'd just as soon wait and see where these guys land (not necessarily which team, but which round and pic). I think that's probably the most accurate indicator of future value. I mean, you knew Ball and Michael were going to struggle to get on the field because of their coaches respective philosophies (Fox doesn't really play rookies and Pete is all about the competition and nobody was beating out Beast). The other three had and have a ton of dynasty value right now.

Obviously I whiffed on Trent Richardson using this philosophy but to be honest, that's ok. Everyone whiffed on him. I'm more interested to see if Carlos Hyde goes 35 or 85 in the draft. That will sway my opinion a lot more than some youtube highlight reals or Mike Mayock.
You make a valid point. I would add that the depth at RB in this draft may influence NFL GMs to wait on RBs a round or two. NFL GMs could say "there are a lot of RBs in this draft-Ill wait to jump on one".Relying on NFL GMs alone is not a bad strategy for a guy like yourself who does not follow college football. It's a pretty good default strategy for you. It's the equivalent to an investor who does not know which stocks or mutual funds to pick..... The best strategy for that type of investor is to throw all of their money in an index fund. This way your not going to make the big mistake and blow up your portfolio and massively underperform.

I personally like to select my own mutual funds based on the portfolio managers style and historical performance (and select buy a few stocks on my own). I'm the same way with my NFL fantasy selections. More of a self manager type.... I trust my own eyes vs someone else's...

I disagree with the comment "you knew that Ball and Michael were going to struggle to get on the field". Ball went 1.1 in one of my rookie drafts and the fantasy community was almost a consensus that he was the best short term situation. Also, I thought that Michael would/could at least beat out Turbin, be the backup, and see SOME action...
I disagree on Ball. I never had him rated super high because of the Fox factor. How many times does Fox have to hold rookies out? He did it with Foster, DeAngelo, Stewart, Hillman, and Ball. And two of this kids were first rounders. That's not happenstance. As for Michael, I agree with you, but even had he made the field more, he was never going to take over for one of the few true bellcows in the NFL. You'd have to be a generational rookie to just put a guy like Marshawn on the bench.

 
I think something to keep in mind when looking at draft position for the RBs in 2014 is that this draft class has a lot of quality players at other positions which may push some of the RB picks down as well as market factors (devaluing the position).

I just hope I do not hear people dismissing some of these players because they fell to the 5th round of the draft.

 
I think something to keep in mind when looking at draft position for the RBs in 2014 is that this draft class has a lot of quality players at other positions which may push some of the RB picks down as well as market factors (devaluing the position).

I just hope I do not hear people dismissing some of these players because they fell to the 5th round of the draft.
I see what you did there.......

 
I think something to keep in mind when looking at draft position for the RBs in 2014 is that this draft class has a lot of quality players at other positions which may push some of the RB picks down as well as market factors (devaluing the position).

I just hope I do not hear people dismissing some of these players because they fell to the 5th round of the draft.
I see what you did there.......
I figured I would get that in there now as it will inevitably happen again.

I think it is a very exciting period of time for dynasty fantasy football because of record numbers of juniors declaring these past 3 drafts and some of the former RBs falling off or getting up there in age.

Many of the players who come from these 2 draft classes will become future stars. Even a few who may go undrafted.

 
I think something to keep in mind when looking at draft position for the RBs in 2014 is that this draft class has a lot of quality players at other positions which may push some of the RB picks down as well as market factors (devaluing the position).

I just hope I do not hear people dismissing some of these players because they fell to the 5th round of the draft.
I see what you did there.......
A side dish of crow....
 
XUE - I appreciate your perspective and I am interested in hearing more of your thoughts, but three things just jumping off the page about your RB rankings are:1- Andrews too high

2- Wilder too high

3- Simms too low

Houston could be a find. I had NO idea who he was until I saw your rankings about a month ago, and watch a few youtube videos (and I watch a LOT of Big Ten Football).

I am interested to hear your thoughts on the "overall 2014 RB Class". I have read about your feelings on the 2015 class and I agree that could be a very talented group. What are your feelings on this years RBs both individually and as a whole...
Overall, 2014 has some solid RBs who can be feature guys, moreso than 2013. But 2015 will have a stronger top tier.

 
XUE - I appreciate your perspective and I am interested in hearing more of your thoughts, but three things just jumping off the page about your RB rankings are:

1- Andrews too high

2- Wilder too high

3- Simms too low

Houston could be a find. I had NO idea who he was until I saw your rankings about a month ago, and watch a few youtube videos (and I watch a LOT of Big Ten Football).

I am interested to hear your thoughts on the "overall 2014 RB Class". I have read about your feelings on the 2015 class and I agree that could be a very talented group. What are your feelings on this years RBs both individually and as a whole...
Overall, 2014 has some solid RBs who can be feature guys, moreso than 2013. But 2015 will have a stronger top tier.
I don't ageee. There are still backs like Knile Davis, C Michael and Ball that still have yet to have their day in court. And long shots like L. Murray , J. Franklin and Benny Cunningham ect... were burried. I have yet to look at every RB in this class yet but I don't think it's as strong as 2013 after studying the top names. The strength in this class is at WR compared to last year in anything.

 
XUE - I appreciate your perspective and I am interested in hearing more of your thoughts, but three things just jumping off the page about your RB rankings are:

1- Andrews too high

2- Wilder too high

3- Simms too low

Houston could be a find. I had NO idea who he was until I saw your rankings about a month ago, and watch a few youtube videos (and I watch a LOT of Big Ten Football).

I am interested to hear your thoughts on the "overall 2014 RB Class". I have read about your feelings on the 2015 class and I agree that could be a very talented group. What are your feelings on this years RBs both individually and as a whole...
Overall, 2014 has some solid RBs who can be feature guys, moreso than 2013. But 2015 will have a stronger top tier.
I don't ageee. There are still backs like Knile Davis, C Michael and Ball that still have yet to have their day in court. And long shots like L. Murray , J. Franklin and Benny Cunningham ect... were burried. I have yet to look at every RB in this class yet but I don't think it's as strong as 2013 after studying the top names.The strength in this class is at WR compared to last year in anything.
Once you delve into 2014 RBs, you'll see it the same way.

 
XUE - I appreciate your perspective and I am interested in hearing more of your thoughts, but three things just jumping off the page about your RB rankings are:

1- Andrews too high

2- Wilder too high

3- Simms too low

Houston could be a find. I had NO idea who he was until I saw your rankings about a month ago, and watch a few youtube videos (and I watch a LOT of Big Ten Football).

I am interested to hear your thoughts on the "overall 2014 RB Class". I have read about your feelings on the 2015 class and I agree that could be a very talented group. What are your feelings on this years RBs both individually and as a whole...
Overall, 2014 has some solid RBs who can be feature guys, moreso than 2013. But 2015 will have a stronger top tier.
I don't ageee. There are still backs like Knile Davis, C Michael and Ball that still have yet to have their day in court. And long shots like L. Murray , J. Franklin and Benny Cunningham ect... were burried. I have yet to look at every RB in this class yet but I don't think it's as strong as 2013 after studying the top names.The strength in this class is at WR compared to last year in anything.
Once you delve into 2014 RBs, you'll see it the same way.
I'm like 10-15 RBs in so far. Who could I be missing?
 
I am not sure how serious the character concerns about Damien Williams might be, but I did enjoy watching this highlight reel of him: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaV7XsqXHbs

He put up better numbers in 2012 than last season-

2012 176 946 5.4 95lg 11TD 34rec 320 9.4 38 1
2013 114 553 4.9 69lg 7TD 9rec 90 10.0 30 0

Damien Williams 5'11" 222lbs 4.45 40yd 16br 35.5 vert 10'1" broad 4.25 20yd 7.37 3 cone

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2014/story/_/id/10515182/2014-nfl-draft-using-speed-score-metric-identify-potential-sleeper-red-flag-running-backs

He was kicked off of the team (rumor he failed a drug test(s)) last November.

http://kfor.com/2013/11/25/coach-bob-stoops-ou-running-back-damien-williams-kicked-off-team/

CBS doesn't have anything on this guy.

NFL.com-

OVERVIEW2013: Played in nine games and made one start. Was suspended for Kansas State game for a violation of team rules, and then was removed from the team for final two games. 2012: Second-team All-Big 12 selection after playing in all 13 games and making nine starts in first season with Sooners. 2011: First-team NJCAA All-American pick while playing for Arizona Western Junior College. 2010: Played at Arizona Western Junior College.

ANALYSIS STRENGTHS Layered with muscle and looks the part. Is quick-footed -- can sidestep the first tackler and run through some arm tackles. Very good hands. Fine balance and body control. Catches the ball cleanly outside his frame and is nifty-footed to juke linebackers in the open field after the catch, displaying some creativity.
WEAKNESSES Very average vision and feel to anticipate creases. Runs with blinders and misses holes. Not explosive to and through the hole. Lacks strength, power and drive to run inside and grind out tough yardage. Overwhelmed in pass protection -- needs to learn how to sit to anchor and use his hands. Still has some JUCO habits and could learn to compete more consistently. DRAFT PROJECTION Priority free agent BOTTOM LINE Split time in a three-man backfield until being dismissed from the team for his multiple violations of team rules. Must prove he can stay disciplined and learn what it means to be a pro to make it. Is best running outside in a spread offense that features wide running lanes and could bring the most value to a team as a pass catcher in a change-of-pace role. -Nolan Nawrocki http://www.nfl.com/draft/2014/profiles/damien-williams?id=2543633
 
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Really warming up to Jeremy Hill. I think he really looks the part and the only thing holding him back is the 40 time. But on the field he's out there ripping past Texas A&M like they are standing still. If he goes in the first three rounds, I really like his chances.

 

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