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2014 Rookie RB Class (1 Viewer)

Really good listen.

Latest Fantasy Guru podcast with special guest Greg Cosell who broke down every fantasy position.

He started with the QBs but moved onto cover the running backs in detail.

Go to the 27 minute mark to hear what Cosell says on this year's running back crop.

The hosts begin by asking about Ohio State RB Carlos Hyde and Cosell gives his take. He compares him to last year's top rookie RBs but Hyde isn't Cosell's top ranked rookie RB. The guy Greg ranks atop this rookie RB class, he compares to former Detroit RB Billy Simms. He gives dish on every back he's seen.

Good stuff. :thumbup:

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/fantasyguru/2014/03/28/2014-pre-draft-rookie-report-1

2014 Pre-Draft Rookie Report

Hansen (@Fantasy_Guru) and Cosell (@GregCosell) take a look at the top prospects entering this year's draft with a slight emphasis on possible fantasy value.
 
For the second straight NFL Draft, it is very likely that a running back will not be selected in the first round.

“Teams figured it out, finally,” the NFC personnel man said. “The way running backs are being used now and the longevity of the position, there’s no reason to take one in the first round. Maybe late, but even then, you could probably wait.”

Last year, Green Bay waited and got the 2013 Rookie of the Year Eddie Lacy at the bottom of the second round. He was the third running back taken in the second round and had by far the best rookie year, besting Cincinnati’s Giovani Bernard and Pittsburgh’s Le’Veon Bell.

A look back at the last five drafts, and while there were a few hits on running backs, you can always wait and get a decent one — maybe one even better — after the first round.

Go back to 2012, and if the three teams who took backs in the first round had a do-over, they would probably opt out. Cleveland actually did, trading the player it took with the third overall pick, Trent Richardson, to the Colts last year at the trade deadline.

The final two picks of the 2012 first round were also running backs: Doug Martin going to Tampa Bay and David Wilson to the Giants. Martin wasn’t bad before getting hurt. Wilson wasn’t so good before getting hurt.

In 2011, New Orleans traded back into the bottom of the first round and took the only back taken in the round, Mark Ingram. He still hasn’t played up to his Heisman Trophy or first-round status.



Three backs went in the first round in 2010: Buffalo’s C.J. Spiller, San Diego’s Ryan Mathews and Detroit’s Jahvid Best. Mathews had a good year last year; Spiller is OK, and Best is anything but.
And in 2009, the Eagles got the last laugh, literally, when Denver (Knowshon Moreno), Indianapolis (Donald Brown) and Arizona (Beanie Wells) all took backs in the first round who they no longer employ and the Eagles took the league’s rushing champ LeSean McCoy in the second round.

McCoy wasn’t alone, either. Of last year’s top 10 rushers, only three were taken in the first round, and of the top four, there were two second-round picks (McCoy and Matt Forte), a third-round pick (Jamaal Charles) and a sixth-round pick (Alfred Morris).

“This year’s group has a lot of guys who will fit with certain teams,” the personnel man said, “guys who will be good in rotations, and that’s pretty much what everyone does now.”

Here’s a look at the top five.

Tre Mason, Auburn, 5-foot-8, 207 pounds, 4.50 40-yard time

“He’s very efficient; he doesn’t waste steps,” the AFC executive said. “Once he’s in the open field, he has good, but not great, speed. His game is based on short area quickness and breaking tackles. Right now, he is a second-rounder, and there is a chance he ends up being the first back taken

“He came on late,” the NFC personnel man said. “He has good vision, and for a guy his size, he doesn’t wear down. He’s probably the best one of them all.”

Carlos Hyde, Ohio State, 5-11, 230, 4.66

“One-cut downhill runner, who can pick up yards after contact,” the AFC executive said. “He looks like he has the burst and the quickness to hit the hole before it closes. He has a lot of power and can run over you.”“Strictly a power back,” the NFC personnel man said. “He runs over you, not around you. Little worrisome about some stuff (tested a nine on the Wonderlic test).”

“I think he could slip into the bottom of the first round,” the NFC scout said. “He’s a big, power back. If you’re looking for that, he’s the guy.”

Bishop Sankey, Washington, 5-9, 209, 4.49“Ran faster than you thought he would (at the Combine),” the AFC executive said. “He’s tough. He can break a tackle or two. And he can run away from you, too.”

“He’s not bad,” the NFC personnel man said. “He can do a lot of things. With the way the league is now, everyone using two and three backs, he’ll fit right in for you.”

“I like him,” the scout said. “He’s right there with the rest of them.”

Jeremy Hill, LSU, 6-0, 233, 4.66

“He has some off-the-field stuff,” the AFC executive said. “As a runner, he’s downhill; he can take contact. He runs like he’s angry.”

“He’s overrated,” the NFC personnel man said. “He’s soft. I don’t like him.”

Ka’Deem Carey, Arizona, 5-10, 207

“Might be the most complete back,” the AFC executive said. “He can catch, and he’s a good blocker, too. I kind of like him, and you might get him later than you should.”

“No,” the NFC personnel man said. “Too small, too slow, and there’s some off-the-field stuff, as well. I don’t want any part of him.”
 
Some interesting excerpts from this article-

• Smaller Running Backs (210 pound or less)

• Larger Running Backs (over 210 pounds)

I am not sure why this cut off is at 210lbs. I am noticing the same thing from similar discussion with EBF.

What is so special about 210bs?

Selections 1-13

• Average % of five-year starters: 71.3%

• Among playing positions with at least 10 players drafted with these selections during the study period, the probability of drafting a five-year starter ranged from 60% to 95%

• Least risky: Offensive linemen (95%, or 20 of the 21 offensive linemen selected from 1994 through 2008 became five-year starters)

Most risky: Large running backs (60.0% five-year starters), but quarterbacks (64.0%) and wide receivers (61.5%) were close.

Selections 14-24

• Average % of five-year starters: 63%

• Among playing positions with at least 10 players drafted with these selections during the study period, the probability of drafting a five-year starter ranged from 36% to 71%

• Quarterbacks, small running backs, tight ends, safeties and inside linebackers had too few selections to consider as part of the discussion

• Least risky: Offensive lineman with 71% of draftees becoming five-year starters

Most risky: Large running backs with 36% of draftees becoming five-year starters

This is why I tend to downgrade larger RB because they carry more risk of shortened careers than smaller quicker RB.

What I didn't know is that small RB drafted after pick 24 carry just as much if not more risk than the big RB.

Selections 25-46

• Most risky: Small running backs (16.7%), large running backs (23.5%)

Selections 47-73

• Most risky: Quarterbacks (8%), small and large running backs (combined percentage of 11%)

Small and Big RB are lumped together here as such a small percentage of either have 5 year careers.



Observations:

• Not many small running backs are taken with early selections

• There is a low likelihood of grabbing a starter at any point in the draft but players in this group often return kicks

• The probability of drafting a five-year starter is lower than the average for each draft choice range.



Observations:

• Drafting running backs is a risky propositions and the percentage of five-year starters is below the average in every data choice range

• Only two of the 92 large running backs selected after the 114th pick ended up as a five-year starter

• The probability of having a five-year career is considerably lower for large running backs than the average of all positions.

 
Jonathan Bales

Exploring Running Back Size

Wednesday, April 02, 2014

http://www.rotoworld...-back-size?pg=1

Jonathan Bales is the author of the Fantasy Football for Smart People book series. He recently launched RotoAcademy - a fantasy football training school.

I was having a conversation with my dad the other day and I asked him to name the top four wide receivers in football with whom he’d want to start a team. He said Calvin Johnson, Josh Gordon, Dez Bryant and A.J. Green. I agree with three, subbing in Demaryius Thomas for Green (although it’s close).

Then I asked him to name the top four running backs with whom he’d start a team. LeSean McCoy was an immediate choice. He contemplated Jamaal Charles and Adrian Peterson, but in running back years, they’re basically dead. Matt Forte was on his list, as was Marshawn Lynch - Marshawn Lynch! - and Le’Veon Bell.

If that list sounds ridiculous to you, it’s because 1) it kind of is and 2) it’s really, really hard to figure out which running backs are the best ones. We can immediately identify the top wide receivers in the NFL, but that task is exponentially more difficult for running backs. If we’re incorporating age into our assessment - which we should since it matters in both real life and fantasy - who the hell are our starting four? I’d likely still throw Charles and perhaps AP in there with McCoy, but I seriously have no idea who is the fourth-best back in the NFL.

In short, we know that Julio Jones and Dez Bryant and those studs are better than second-tier receivers like Jordy Nelson and Eric Decker, who are in turn better than guys like Brandon LaFell. But outside of a couple obvious talents at running back, can we really know that the consensus No. 25 running back is any worse than the No. 5 player at the position? How good is a player like C.J. Spiller? I legitimately considered putting him in my top four, but I have a feeling that most people might not have him in their top 15 or 20.

When it comes down to it, running backs are just so dependent on their teammates for success that it’s really difficult to isolate their play and figure out how good they are. They’re difficult to project out of college and their NFL stats are only loosely tied to their actual talent.

That’s one reason I’ve been going against the grain in advocating a late-round running back strategy as of late, but it’s not like we can just draft only rookies at the position (maybe). Running back is still very important in the fantasy realm, so what can we make of the position?

Running backs are always going to be dependent on heavy usage for substantial production, but we still need to figure out some way to predict which ones are going to be useful when they get opportunities.

Running Back Size

Heading into this analysis, my hypothesis was that shorter, heavier running backs would have more success than taller, lighter ones. I was really interested in the height data because I’ve had a suspicion that shorter backs are generally better; they’re usually more agile, quicker and have a low center-of-gravity which is crucial at the position.

Related to both height and weight is body-mass index (BMI). Using BMI to judge overall health is absolutely asinine - pretty much every NFL player falls into the ‘obese’ category - but it’s still a good measure of how much bulk a running back possesses; a 5’10” back who weighs 210 pounds is bulkier and has a higher BMI than a 5’10” back who weighs only 190 pounds. The taller a player, the more difficult it is for him to have a high BMI. So I’m really looking to test three things - height, weight and body mass - and how they affect NFL performance.

The first thing I did was test the correlation between those three traits and a trio of stats - carries, yards-per-carry and touchdowns - for all backs since 2000 with at least 300 yards rushing. Here are those r-values. (see link for graphs)

The initial numbers suggest that height doesn’t affect NFL performance all that much for running backs (more on that later). Taller backs get a few more carries than shorter ones, they have a few more touchdowns, but they’re generally a bit less efficient in terms of YPC.

Meanwhile, take a look at weight and BMI. Neither affects workload very much - meaning we’ve already determined we can’t use running back size to predict rushing attempts - and they’re both weakly correlated to touchdowns. We’d expect bigger, heavier backs to score more touchdowns just because they see more goal line attempts, though.

But take a look at the effect of weight/BMI on rushing efficiency. They’re pretty strongly negatively correlated, meaning as weight increases, rushing efficiency decreases. This was at first a surprise to me because we wouldn’t expect heavier backs to be worse.

I overlooked an important fact, though; generally, heavier backs are slower than light ones, and speed is incredibly important to running backs. I’ve shown that the 40-yard dash matters more for backs than for any other position. Here’s a refresher that breaks down running back approximate value according to combine 40 times.

I value speed in running backs even more than other stat geeks; if a running back doesn’t run sub-4.55 (regardless of his weight), there’s very little chance I’ll draft him. If he’s very light, his little frame better be accompanied by blazing speed.

The fact that heavy running backs are much worse than lighter ones isn’t surprising when you consider the differences in speed. So does extra weight hurt a running back? No, with two caveats: 1) he isn’t just eating Wendy’s and the “extra” weight is lean muscle and 2) his speed remains unchanged. I’ll take a 220-pound back with 4.45 speed over a 200-pound back with the same speed all day. Weight is good, it’s just not as important as straight-line speed.

Now, let’s get back to height…

Height and Running Back Success

The correlations suggested that, as a general rule-of-thumb, taller might not be worse for backs, but there’s another way to analyze the data - sorting it into buckets. I like to do this because it helps see how performance changes at certain thresholds. And when we do that with height, we see a different story for running backs.

I sorted all of the data into quantiles for height, weight and BMI.

We see a steady decline in YPC with weight; the lightest quarter of all backs has been the most efficient, followed by the 26th-50th percentile, and so on. The BMI effect is similar, with a very rapid decline after the bottom quarter.

Very quickly, I want to mention that there’s probably a little bit of a selection bias here with lighter backs getting a higher quality of carries. When a running back gets a carry on third-and-10, he usually gains a decent number of yards, and he’s also usually a fairly light third-down back. However, such carries are pretty uncommon and the results are very strong, suggesting that the real culprit is simply heavy backs being slower.

I’m going to bold this sentence and say it again: the best running backs are fast.

Now, look at height. Remember that the correlations showed that height might not matter too much for running backs, but what we really see is that the bottom 75 percent of running backs in terms of height perform right around the same in terms of efficiency. Meanwhile, the top 25 percent - the tallest quarter of running backs - have rushed for fewer than 4.0 YPC since 2000. That’s horrific.

To me, this is clear evidence that height doesn’t matter all that much for running backs … to a point. And that point is right around 73 inches, or 6’1”.

Now let me just address the criticism sure to come to everyone’s minds: BUT ADRIAN PETERSON IS 6’1”! Yes, that’s true. As is the fact that Arian Foster ran a 4.68 in the 40-yard dash, Jerry Rice was also quite slow, Warren Sapp dominated inside despite shorter-than-average arms and lots of other cases of players becoming exceptions to the rule.

My goal isn’t to get every prediction correct, but just to tilt the odds a little bit. And the numbers suggest that, as a general rule-of-thumb, we should prefer shorter backs over those who stand well above 6’0”. That doesn’t mean we need to avoid every tall running back. In the case of Adrian Peterson, it’s kind of difficult to hate a 217-pound back with 4.40 speed. But if another back were similar to Peterson - 217 pounds with 4.40 speed and a comparable skill set - but he checked in at 5’10”, we’d be smart to favor the shorter back.

All other things equal, we should seek running backs 6’0” or shorter.

 
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Latest 'On The Couch' posted only a few hours ago with Cecil and Sig talk up the rookie RB class.

Apr 16 2014
2014 Volume#42a - On The Couch 4.16.2014 (#2111)
In This Episode: Sigmund Bloom and Cecil Lammey discuss the 2014 class of running backs in the NFL draft. Topics Include - can Tre Mason (Auburn) be a star in the NFL, who is the best power back in this class Jeremy Hill (LSU) or Carlos Hyde (Ohio State), why Lache Seastrunk (Baylor) can be effective as a pro back, plus more!

 
Bishop Sankey: ‘I Think I’m The Best Back Coming Out This Year’

These days, most NFL Draft coverage focuses on quarterbacks and, in the words of Brandon Tierney, “a few big fatties upfront.”

Oh, and Jadeveon Clowney.

But what about the running backs? More specifically, what about Bishop Sankey? The Washington product is one of the top-rated tailbacks in the country.

Where he’ll land, though, is anyone’s guess.

“I’m hearing anywhere from second to third round,” Sankey said on The Morning Show. “For me, all I’m really worried about every time I get on the field is (eliminating) all the questions that the NFL coaches and scouts have about me.”

As Tiki Barber can attest, the life of an NFL running back has changed considerably in a short amount of time. It used to be – as recently as seven or eight years ago – that a running back would be disappointed if he only got 20 or 25 carries in a game. Now? He’s lucky to get 15.

So, how does Sankey – at 5-10, 203 pounds – see himself fitting in at the next level?

“I want to come in and make an impact any way I can,” he said. “Ideally, I wouldn’t mind getting the ball 20 times a game; I think I’ll be able to carry that load if need be. But really, I just want to go in and make an impact from Day One and do whatever I can to get on the field and help (out) whatever team I end up going to.”

Sankey had a monster career at Washington. After getting just 28 carries as a freshman in 2011, he ran 289 times for 1,439 yards and 16 touchdowns as a sophomore in 2012. He followed that up with personal bests across the board in 2013, rushing 327 times for 1,870 yards and 20 touchdowns. He also had 28 receptions for 304 yards and a touchdown.

That’s an average of 10.9 yards per catch and 6.1 yards per touch.

“I think one of my biggest strengths out there is my field vision – just being able to see what happens in front of me,” Sankey said. “I think it gives me an advantage recognizing where to cut.”

If the NFL Combine was any indication, Sankey has more than just field vision; he has the physical tools needed to succeed in the pros. He finished second among running backs in the bench press, repping 225 pounds an impressive 26 times. He also ran a 4.49 in the 40-yard dash – which was faster than the likes of Oregon’s De’Anthony Thomas (4.50), Baylor’s Lache Seastrunk (4.51) and Arizona’s Ka’Deem Carey (4.70).

“I think I’ve proven to be an all-around running back,” Sankey said. “I think I’ve proven that I can move the ball on the ground – not only that, but catch it out of the backfield and also (be) an asset in pass-protection as well. I think I definitely have a lot to bring to the table, and I definitely could help a team out wherever I end up going.”

Asked where he needs to improve, Sankey said recognizing cornerback coverages.

“In college, a lot of times the running back was focused more on what the linebackers were doing and what the fronts were looking like – and not much on what the back end of the defense is doing,” Sankey said. “So I think I definitely can grow in being able to recognize coverages quicker.”

Sankey, who likened his game to LeSean McCoy and Giovani Bernard, feels he’s the best running back prospect in the draft.

“I think I’m the best back coming out this year,” Sankey said. “I think I’ve shown consistency each year. I’m able to get the job done.”

 
Fact or Fiction: Can Good Running Backs Be Found Anywhere in the Draft?
by Blake Meek On March 7, 2014

http://www.fakepigskin.com/2014/03/07/fact-or-fiction-can-good-running-backs-be-found-anywhere-in-the-draft/

The myth: You can find number one backs anywhere in the draft.

I’ve been hearing a lot of talk lately that you shouldn’t bother taking a running back early because you can find good backs late in the draft. While most believe this too be true, how much fact is in that statement? In this article I’m going to take a look at the top 15 running backs in the league in rushing yards each year and then look at when each was drafted. This will give us a good indication of where in the draft you could find a top 15 back. I’ve been hearing this thought for years now and I thought it was about time I delved a little deeper in the draft.

I decided to look at the running backs for the past 10 years to give us a big enough sample size that it won’t be thrown off by one or two players. I looked at the top 15 rushers over a 10 year period, so this gave me 150 points of reference. Over that 10 year period, 65 different running backs finished in the top 15 in rushing yards for a given year. This tells me that each running back finished in the top fifteen 2.3 times. Now obviously some of the running backs finished in the top 15 more years than that, but there were quite a few who were only there one year which brought that number down.

The results followed along with my original thought and went against what I had been told for years. Of the 150 points of reference I looked at, 75 of the rushers were picked in the first round. In addition to that, 50 were picked in rounds two and three. That meant that just 25 of the rushers or just over 16% were picked from rounds four through seven or were undrafted. That doesn’t go along with the narrative that you can get a number one running back anywhere in the draft.

After that I decided to look at how many of those rushers were repeat top 15 guys to see if just a couple guys were having long term success or if there were a lot of one year wonders among the later guys. Out of the 150 rushers I looked at, only 10 of them were undrafted, though that was the highest for any round after the third. Of those 10 rushers, there were five different running backs. Of those five rushers, Willie Parker had the longest success with three years in the top 15. Ryan Grant had two years as well as Arian Foster has had two years. He will probably end up as the best of the bunch if he can stay healthy. Rounding out the undrafted running backs are BenJarvus Green-Ellis and Fred Jackson, each having one season in the top 15.

Moving on to the seventh round, it doesn’t look nearly as good as the undrafted running backs did. `Of the 150 points of reference I looked at, a running back picked in the seventh round only finished in the top 15 rushing 3 times in the past 10 years. Of those three times, each times was a different running back. Peyton Hillis did it with the Browns, Ahmad Bradshaw did it once as did Derrick Ward. None of the three ever duplicated that type of success again.

Looking at the running backs taken in the sixth round, again only three of the 150 reference points finished in the top 15 rushers in the past 10 years. Chester Taylor did it once and Alfred Morris has done it both of the past two years. Taylor was never a feature back, but was a nice compliment back. Morris has just been in the league two years and has finished in the top 15 both times. We will see just how good of a back Morris really is now that Mike Shanahan isn’t there anymore.

Looking at the fifth round now, only four times did someone drafted there finish in the top 15 rushers for a given year. Of those four times, three of them were Michael Turner. He had a good four year stretch with the Falcons where he was one of the better backs in the NFL. The other year was accomplished by Zac Stacy this past year as a rookie with the Rams. It will be interesting to watch Stacy and see if he can continue to improve or falls off like many of the other late round backs.

The fourth round only ended up with a back finishing in the top 15 five times and those five times were done by three different backs. Brandon Jacobs and Domanick Williams were both in the top 15 for one season, but never duplicated those results. Rudi Johnson was in the top 15 three times in his time with the Cincinnati Bengals. Johnson was never considered one of the best backs in the NFL, but he was a solid, hardworking starter who did a lot of things well.

The third round is really where the numbers start to look better. Of the 150 reference points for top 15 rushers in the past 10 years, running backs that were drafted in the third round finished there 23 times. Eleven different running backs contributed to those 23 times. There is a lot of talent and success out of the running backs drafted in the third. Two running backs who didn’t really have success and aren’t young enough to have success in the future are Justin Fargas and Steve Slaton, each of whom was only in the top 15 one year. Reuben Droughns is another who didn’t have a ton of success over his career, but he did have two seasons in the top 15. Ahman Green and Curtis Martin both only had one year in my time frame, but both of them had a lot of success prior to 2004. Brian Westbrook is another who had more success prior to 2004, but he still had two seasons in the top 15 in the years I looked at.

Stevan Ridley and DeMarco Murray have also both only had one season in the top 15 so far, but both are young and have prominent roles on their team. Shonn Greene finished in the top 15 twice over this time period and is still young enough to have some success, but he isn’t a number one back. Frank Gore and Jamaal Charles are the best two out of this group. Gore has had seven years in the top 15 rushers and looks to still be going strong. Charles has had four years in the top 15 and is still young enough that he should be there many more years to come. As you can see, the talent that was drafted in the third round was a lot better than that in rounds four through seven and the undrafted running backs.

Looking at running backs taken in the second round, 27 times did one of them finish in the top 15 rushers in the league. Out of those 27 times, there were 12 different running backs that contributed. There were a few running backs that didn’t have any type of sustained success in the league as a number one back. Travis Henry, LaDell Betts, LenDale White and LaMont Jordan all four only finished in the top 15 one time. Corey Dillon only finished in the top 15 once in the past 10 years, but he had sustained success before the years I looked at. The same thing is true with Tiki Barber, who still finished in the top 15 three times in the past 10 years.

The rest of the guys picked in the second round have all had sustained success or look on their way to good careers. Clinton Portis was one of the best backs in the league for his time in Denver and had some success in Washington as well. In the past 10 years, he finished in the top 15 four times. Maurice Jones-Drew and LeSean McCoy have both finished in the top 15 three times and are young enough that they should finish there a few more times. Both are considered top backs in the league. The same thing can be said for Matt Forte and Ray Rice who have been in the top 15 four times. The only running back left is Eddie Lacy who finished in the top 15 last year as a rookie. His best years still look to be ahead of him.

Now it’s time to look at the largest sample out of any round, the running backs drafted in the first. Of the 150 top 15 rushers I looked at, a whopping 75 came from guys drafted in the first round. Those 75 times were accomplished by 27 guys. Out of all of those guys, only five of them didn’t have any type of sustained success. Kevin Jones, Joseph Addai, Beanie Wells and Cadillac Williams only finished in the top 15 one time. Rashard Mendenhall is another who didn’t have a lot of long term success, though he finished in the top 15 twice. Cedric Benson is an interesting name to talk about. He was largely considered a bust before the Bengals signed him and he had three good years with him. Benson has some sustained success, but wasn’t what I would call a top back.

Some of the guys who were picked in the first round only had one or two years in the top 15 in the past 10 years, but had sustained success before then. Shaun Alexander and Larry Johnson finished there twice, Jamal Lewis and Ricky Williams each finished there once. There were some more guys who had a lot of success during the years I looked at that had success beforehand too. Fred Taylor finished in the top 15 three times, as did Warrick Dunn. Two more guys who had great success during the years I looked at as well as the years before I looked were Edgerrin James who finished in the top 15 four times and LaDainian Tomlinson who finished in the top 15 five times. All of the guys who I just talked about had sustained success as a number one back.

Before I talk about the cream of the crop of these guys I am going to talk about some guys who haven’t had a ton of long term success yet, but are still young and talented enough to have that success. DeAngelo Williams, Ryan Matthews, Reggie Bush and C.J. Spiller all have finished in the top 15 rushers twice in the past 10 years. Jonathan Stewart, Darren McFadden, Knowshon Moreno and Doug Martin are all guys who have shown the talent to be a top back in the league, but for one reason or another haven’t had sustained success.

The cream of the crop of this group is six guys. Willis McGahee is at the bottom of this group. He finished in the top 15 four times, but had numerous other good years. After that is Thomas Jones, who had a very good six year run in the middle of his career, finishing in the top 15 five of those years. Now Super Bowl Champion Marshawn Lynch finished in the top 15 five times and doesn’t look to be slowing down anytime soon. Steven Jackson has been one of the top running backs in the league since he was drafted. He has finished in the top 15 six times in the past 10 years and had good years even in the years he wasn’t top 15. Chris Johnson is another guy who has finished in the top 15 six times, but he is still young enough that he should have a few more years there. Last, but certainly not least is the best running back in the league Adrian Peterson. Peterson has finished in the top 15 every season that he has been in the NFL except the season that was shortened with an injury.

If you look at it strictly from a numbers perspective, 75 of the 150 top 15 rushers or 50% were drafted in the first round. The number drops significantly to the second and third rounds, which come in 27 and 23 of the 150 top rushers or 18% and 15%. The numbers fall off completely after that. You are highly unlikely to find one in rounds four through seven. Of the 150 top rushers only 5 or 3% were found in round four, four were found in round five or 2.6%, and three were found in each rounds six and seven or 2%. The numbers show that you are more likely to find a top 15 rusher in the undrafted running backs than you are any round four through seven. Ten of the 150 top rushers were undrafted backs or 6.6%.

If you look at the 65 different backs that accounted for all the top 15 rushers over the past 10 years the numbers look pretty similar. Of the 65 backs in this group, 28 different backs or 43% were drafted in the first round. Again the numbers drop pretty far off to the second and third rounds. In the second round there were 12 backs drafted or 18.5% and in the third round there were 11 backs drafted or 17%. Again, much like the numbers in the previous paragraph, the numbers take another significant drop when looking at rounds four through seven. There were three backs drafted in both rounds four and seven, accounting for 4.6% each. Then there were two backs drafted in both rounds five and six, accounting for 3.1% each. The numbers again jumped a little bit for the undrafted running backs where there were five signed. That accounts for 7.7% of the top 15 running backs.

If you add up the numbers and split the group after the third round you see that only 23% of the different backs that were in the top 15 in rushing in any of the past 10 years was drafted after the third. That means you are slightly more than three times as likely to get a top 15 running back in the first three rounds. Looking at the data you will also notice that those backs drafted after the third didn’t have much long term success, few of them having more than one year in the top 15 and three of them having more than two years. If you just look at the raw 150 points of data, 125 of the 150 top rushers or 83.3% were drafted in the first three rounds. That shows that the backs taken earlier have more long term success and a much greater chance of being a top 15 back.

The Truth: After I looked at the running backs in the NFL that have finished in the top 15 rushers in the league for each of the past 10 seasons it seems pretty obvious that you can’t really just find a number one running back anywhere. Out of all the running backs that were taken in rounds four through seven and the undrafted guys, there were only four or five running backs that are true number one backs. That tells me that despite the chance you may find the next Alfred Morris or Arian Foster, you just aren’t very likely to do so. However, if you take a running back in rounds one through three the odds skyrocket. Essentially all of your top backs in the league were taken in the first three rounds and if you want a big time running back the numbers strongly suggest you spend a pick in the first three rounds on it.

All of my information that I accumulated can be seen here:

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B1So67Dlwnr7dDhyQXMxejladnM/edit
I think this could be more complete by back testing the players who's careers began before the sample size used. That would have been a bit more work, but almost better than trying to talk around that issue.

This analysis while interesting does not seem to be swaying the NFL perspective on ROI for RB in the 1st round at all. No RB were invited to the NFL draft, thus no RB are expected to be 1st round picks for the second season in a row. Furthermore if you look at the past 10 or so drafts you will see RB being taken late in the 1st round. The trend is pretty clear there.

So in a few years if this trend continues you will not have data to support 1st round RB being as critical as it may seem right now. RB will still be successful even though they are being drafted later.

 
Will rookie running backs do it again?

By Larry Hartstein | CBSSports.com

April 25, 2014 1:08 pm ET http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/fantasy-football-today/24539038/will-rookie-running-backs-do-it-again

While rookie wideouts often get overdrafted in Fantasy leagues, rookie running backs can deliver great value. Eddie Lacy finished as the No. 6 Fantasy back last year, Le'Veon Bellplaced 14th, Giovani Bernard 16th, Zac Stacy 18th and Andre Ellington 24th in standard leagues.

Rookies filled five of the top 24 spots.

So who'll come through this year? Early drafters on myfantasyleague.com are taking seven rookies among the top 50 RBs.

The situations they land in will help establish their Fantasy value. Here's a look at those seven rookies and where Fantasy owners are drafting them:

Carlos Hyde, Ohio State, 26th RB: The 6-foot, 230-pounder is a powerful north-south runner who averaged 7.3 yards per carry while becoming Urban Meyer's first 1,000-yard rusher. If he lands in Tennessee, he could make Shonn Greene an afterthought. Hyde recently met with the Falcons.

Ka'Deem Carey, Arizona, 31st RB: The 5-9, 207-pound workhorse piled up 349 carries despite being suspended for the 2013 opener and not starting the second game. He rushed for 3,814 yards and 42 touchdowns over his last two seasons, excelling after contact. Steven Jackson's value would take a hit if the Falcons draft Carey. Tennessee is another possibility.

Tre Mason, Auburn, 38th RB: The 5-8, 207-pounder ripped Missouri for 304 yards and four touchdowns in last year's SEC Championship Game. He has been linked to Baltimore and Oakland. Mason would provide insurance for Ray Rice, who's coming off a career-worst year and has pending legal issues. However, news just broke that Mason might need a procedure on his wrist.

Bishop Sankey, Washington, 42nd RB: The 5-9, 209-pounder opened eyes at the Combine and has soft hands. The Pac-12's leading rusher caught 28 passes for 304 yards (10.9 ave.) and one touchdown last season. He could complement the Giants' Rashad Jennings if David Wilson doesn't return from his neck injury. Atlanta and Baltimore also make sense.

Lache Seastrunk, Baylor, 43rd RB: The explosive 5-9, 201-pounder averaged 7.4 and 7.7 yards per carry in his two seasons and scored five touchdowns of at least 68 yards. He could be a steal for the Falcons in Round 4 or 5.

Jeremy Hill, LSU, 47th RB: The 6-1, 233-pounder averaged 6.2 yards per carry over two college seasons and barreled hs way to 1,401 yards and 16 touchdowns last year. The Falcons hosted him for a visit and could target him as early as Round 2.

Charles Sims, West Virginia, 50th RB taken: The versatile 6-foot, 214-pounder won Big 12 Newcomer of the Year after averaging 5.3 yards per carry with 11 touchdowns and tying for the team lead with 45 catches. He recently met with the Redskins.

 
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Yahoo Shutdown Corner rates the top-ten RBs from this draft class.

Cut out some text, go to link for the full read.

Here's their top-ten.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/nfl-draft-rankings--osu-s-hyde-leads-deep--strong-class-of-running-backs-144856030.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

NFL Draft Rankings: OSU's Hyde leads deep, strong class of running backs

By Eric Edholm 7 hours ago

Shutdown Corner


...For the second time in two years, the draft class features some depth of talent but no clear-cut first-round option. As the NFL shifts in identity toward the pass and away from the bell-cow back, running backs in general are seen as specialists — even with successful teams such as the Seattle Seahawks, San Francisco 49ers and New England Patriots going against the grain on this thinking.Many NFL teams opt to employ two or three backs in complementary roles, with many types abounding: the first-and-second down hammers, the third-down receivers and pass blockers, the jack of all trades but masters of none, the four-minute-offense back and the change-of-pace speed players.

There’s room for all of these styles of backs in the NFL, there are good examples of each in this class. But the chances of any being selected in the first 32 picks appear quite slim.

Here are our top 10 running backs for the 2014 NFL draft (not what order they will be drafted but how we think they ultimately will perform in the NFL):
1. Carlos Hyde 6'0, 230 lbs

Averaged 156.1 rushing yards in Big Ten games in 2013. Great blend of power, quickness and burst to be a featured, tackle-breaking back

2. Tre Mason 5'9, 207 lbs

Rushed for combined 663 yards vs. Bama, Mizzou and FSU. Wrist injury a worry, but incredible burst, vision make him best quick back

3. Bishop Sankey 5'9, 209 lbs

Broke Corey Dillon's UW rushing mark with 1,870 yards. Mighty-mite back packs a punch, even if lacking breakaway speed

4. Jeremy Hill 6'1, 233 lbs

6.9 YPC set an SEC mark; career zero lost fumbles. 6.9 YPC set an SEC mark; career zero lost fumbles

5. Andre Williams 5'11 230 lbs

NCAA-best 2,177 rushing yards in 2013. Move-the-chains runner always falls forward; must prove as receiver

6. Devonta Freeman 5'11, 206 lbs

Scored at least one TD in final 10 games. Short slasher with some juice in his legs, determined running style

7. Ka'Deem Carey 5'11, 207 lbs

Two-year rushing total: 3,814 yards, 42 TDs. Character red flags, small build mar massive college production

8. Storm Johnson 6'0, 209 lbs

1,646 rushing yards, 8 fumbles past two years. Miami transfer must improve ball security but has good talent

9. Charles Sims 6'0, 214 lbs

2nd in conference with 1,549 all-purpose yards in '13. Fluid receiver has some Matt Forte-like skills; 24 years old

10. Jerick McKinnon 5'9, 209 lbs

9 rushes, 125 yards, TD in shocking upset at Florida. Former triple-option QB has learning curve, terrific athleticism
 
Really good listen.

Latest Fantasy Guru podcast with special guest Greg Cosell who broke down every fantasy position.

He started with the QBs but moved onto cover the running backs in detail.

Go to the 27 minute mark to hear what Cosell says on this year's running back crop.

The hosts begin by asking about Ohio State RB Carlos Hyde and Cosell gives his take. He compares him to last year's top rookie RBs but Hyde isn't Cosell's top ranked rookie RB. The guy Greg ranks atop this rookie RB class, he compares to former Detroit RB Billy Simms. He gives dish on every back he's seen.

Good stuff. :thumbup:

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/fantasyguru/2014/03/28/2014-pre-draft-rookie-report-1

2014 Pre-Draft Rookie Report

Hansen (@Fantasy_Guru) and Cosell (@GregCosell) take a look at the top prospects entering this year's draft with a slight emphasis on possible fantasy value.
let me know when he does this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0O7973Ew8A

 
Seems to be very little chatter about Freeman. I really like him, though. I see him being a bit of a sleeper in this class.

 
I have the 1.07 and I'm thinking I should gobble up the top rb because if teams are crazy about the wrs why not. I have 3 low seconds to get Ebron or bridgewater

 
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Just took Freeman as the 9th RB off the board at 2.08 in a rookie draft, feel really good about that value. Took him at the end of a big run on RB's.

Draft:http://football16.myfantasyleague.com/2014/options?L=20880&O=17
Wow, lots of value in those RBs in the 2nd round.
Definitely. But they'll be almost entirely situation-based, so they're a gamble. At least most of the WR's who went before them will have a better pedigree. No doubt there will be some steals among that group of RB's though.
 
Just took Freeman as the 9th RB off the board at 2.08 in a rookie draft, feel really good about that value. Took him at the end of a big run on RB's.

Draft:http://football16.myfantasyleague.com/2014/options?L=20880&O=17
Wow, lots of value in those RBs in the 2nd round.
figured Manziel would go in the first in most drafts - not in this league.
Really, even in start 1QB leagues? I thought I reached a bit, actually.

 
Just took Freeman as the 9th RB off the board at 2.08 in a rookie draft, feel really good about that value. Took him at the end of a big run on RB's.

Draft:http://football16.myfantasyleague.com/2014/options?L=20880&O=17
Wow, lots of value in those RBs in the 2nd round.
figured Manziel would go in the first in most drafts - not in this league.
Really, even in start 1QB leagues? I thought I reached a bit, actually.
right now (only 5 drafts) his ADP in MFL rookie drafts is 7.

 
Just took Freeman as the 9th RB off the board at 2.08 in a rookie draft, feel really good about that value. Took him at the end of a big run on RB's.

Draft:http://football16.myfantasyleague.com/2014/options?L=20880&O=17
Wow, lots of value in those RBs in the 2nd round.
figured Manziel would go in the first in most drafts - not in this league.
Really, even in start 1QB leagues? I thought I reached a bit, actually.
right now (only 5 drafts) his ADP in MFL rookie drafts is 7.
That's pretty shocking. Other than maybe Luck and RG3 I don't ever remember rookie QB's consistently going that high.

 
Just took Freeman as the 9th RB off the board at 2.08 in a rookie draft, feel really good about that value. Took him at the end of a big run on RB's.

Draft:

http://football16.myfantasyleague.com/2014/options?L=20880&O=17
Think my Terrance West pick was a tad of a reach, but I don't care. I saw enough of his play to believe he can be solid in the NFL. Lot of scouts like him and think he could be the best of the bunch when all is said and done. The problem is that right now, I have no idea where he could land. I'm really pulling for Tennessee.

 
Seastrunk is garbage.
Johnny U is right. If you want to have this opinion, great. Tell us why. But if you want to just pop in say stuff like this, please do not.

What specifically don't you like about Seastrunk?

J
I actually PM'd Johnny U about that. You guys are right. My bad.. There is a lot I don't like about Seastrunk to answer your question. Here's a few. He comes off like a diva, just without diva talent.

His numbers are padded vs weak teams.

There is nothing here to evaluate in the passing game.

I heard for two years how he's some super fast HS track star, but he ran 4.5+ with a bad 10-yard split. Excellent vert and BJ, but the rest of his measurables are close to garbage as far as being a top level prospect.

 
Seastrunk is garbage.
Johnny U is right. If you want to have this opinion, great. Tell us why. But if you want to just pop in say stuff like this, please do not.

What specifically don't you like about Seastrunk?

J
I actually PM'd Johnny U about that. You guys are right. My bad.. There is a lot I don't like about Seastrunk to answer your question. Here's a few. He comes off like a diva, just without diva talent.

His numbers are padded vs weak teams.

There is nothing here to evaluate in the passing game.

I heard for two years how he's some super fast HS track star, but he ran 4.5+ with a bad 10-yard split. Excellent vert and BJ, but the rest of his measurables are close to garbage as far as being a top level prospect.
I agree with you on the speed. I thought he would run a much faster 40.

I did like how he looked at the combine catching passes. He looked very good doing it. Combine this with how he jumped and I like his upside in the right offense. He is talented and I saw what looked like a football player at the combine.

 
2014 NFL Draft running back rankings

By Dan Kadar@MockingTheDraft on Mar 27 2014, 9:01a

http://www.sbnation.com/nfl-mock-draft/2014/3/27/5552352/2014-nfl-draft-running-back-rankings

Like the wide receiver class in the 2014 NFL Draft, the running group this year is deep. The difference is it's just not as talented at the top. While Sammy Watkins is a high-level No. 1 at wide receiver, the same can't be said for our top running back, Bishop Sankey.

While Sankey is a good player, he's not necessarily a superstar talent. He's a running back with good vision and he always seems to generate positive yards.

While their NFL Scouting Combine stats may not indicate it, Ka'Deem Carey and Lache Seastrunk are both home run theats at running back. Carlos Hyde of Ohio State is most likely to be the top running back drafted. He's a powerful runner who can easily shed tackles.

Really, this is another group that has something for everybody. Because of that, the middle rounds of the draft could be filled with running backs.

1. Bishop Sankey | 5'9 1/2, 209 pounds | Running back | Washington *
2. Ka'Deem Carey | 5'9 3/8, 207 pounds | Running back | Arizona *
3. Carlos Hyde | 5'11 7/8, 230 pounds | Running back | Ohio State
4. Lache Seastrunk | 5'9 1/2, 201 pounds | Running back | Baylor *
5. Charles Sims | 5'11 1/8, 214 pounds | Running back | West Virginia
6. Tre Mason | 5'8 1/2, 207 pounds | Running back | Auburn *
7. Devonta Freeman | 5'8 1/4, 206 pounds | Running back | Florida State *
8. Isaiah Crowell | 5'11, 224 pounds | Running back | Alabama State *
9. Terrance West | 5'9 1/4, 225 pounds | Running back | Towson *
10. Jeremy Hill | 6'0 5/8, 233 pounds | Running back | LSU *
11. Andre Williams | 5'11 3/8, 230 pounds | Running back | Boston College
12. Antonio Andrews | 5'10 1/8, 225 pounds | Running back | Western Kentucky
13. De'Anthony Thomas | 5'8 5/8, 174 pounds | Running back / Wide receiver | Oregon *
14. Storm Johnson | 6'0, 209 pounds | Running back | Central Florida *
15. Marion Grice | 6'0, 208 pounds | Running back | Arizona State
16. Rajion Neal | 5'11, 212 pounds | Running back | Tennessee
17. LaDarius Perkins | 5'7 3/8, 195 pounds | Running back | Mississippi State
18. Dri Archer | 5'7 3/8, 173 pounds | Running back | Kent State
19. Kapri Bibbs | 5'9 3/8, 212 pounds | Running back | Colorado State *
20. James White | 5'9 1/8, 204 pounds | Running back | Wisconsin
21. Henry Josey | 5'8 1/8, 194 pounds | Running back | Missouri *
22. David Fluellen | 5'11 1/8, 224 pounds | Running back | Toledo
23. Jerick McKinnon | 5'8 7/8, 209 pounds | Running back | Georgia Southern
24. James Wilder Jr. | 6'2 5/8, 232 pounds | Running back | Florida State *
25. Silas Redd | 5'9 3/4, 212 pounds | Running back | Southern California
26. James Sims | 6'0, 200 pounds | Running back | Kansas
27. Timothy Flanders | 5'8 5/8, 207 pounds | Running back | Sam Houston State
28. Lorenzo Taliaferro | 6'0 1/4, 229 pounds | Running back | Coastal Carolina
29. George Atkinson | 6'1 3/8, 218 pounds | Running back | Notre Dame *
30. Damien Williams | 5'11 1/4, 222 pounds | Running back | Oklahoma
31. Roy Finch | 5'7, 167 pounds | Running back | Oklahoma
32. Ben Malena | 5'9, 195 pounds | Running back | Texas A&M
 
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He almost certainly won't be drafted, but I'd probably take Branden Oliver over several of those guys.

Likely to get a UDFA shot:

http://blogs.buffalobills.com/2014/04/11/recap-the-john-murphy-show-april-11/

Former University at Buffalo running back, Branden Oliver called in from his hometown of Miami, Florida. Oliver is in midst of pre-draft workouts with a handful of NFL teams. Friday, the Miami Dolphins had Oliver in for a private workout. The 5’6″ running back is hopeful the face-to-face visits will pay off.
Wish he were a little taller or a little faster, because a lot of the other skills are there.

 
I've now watched a lot of video of these RB's and it's no clearer to me than when I started this thread. Obviously there are traits in guys I like but there's nothing close to a perfect back in this class. These guys will be highly situation dependent.

Hyde is the only one I feel comfortable saying he'll be a plug and play starter on any team that drafts him. No worries about him other than a relatively low ceiling. Given the lack of young RB's around the league he's a safe bet to be a low end RB1 when he gets a chance to play.

 
I've now watched a lot of video of these RB's and it's no clearer to me than when I started this thread. Obviously there are traits in guys I like but there's nothing close to a perfect back in this class. These guys will be highly situation dependent.

Hyde is the only one I feel comfortable saying he'll be a plug and play starter on any team that drafts him. No worries about him other than a relatively low ceiling. Given the lack of young RB's around the league he's a safe bet to be a low end RB1 when he gets a chance to play.
Agree with mostly everything you said but the more I watch Hyde I often see him caught from behind and that's not something I looking for if I have the top pick. I wan't my back breaking through the line and no one can catch him............I've seen very few of those from him and it seems that most of his TDs came from around the red zone.

For the 1st ever I'm looking at other positions with my top pick or a RB who's 2015 eligible.

Tex

 
Hyde is actually moving up in my books. I still stick with my comparison to Tolbert but faster and I think that's a compliment. Hyde does have a little bit room to add weight without losing any speed or agility. Almost all of the weight being added, to his lower body. He is not small but if he could add just a bit more "pop" when running over defenders I think it would help him out greatly. Once he gets a name for punishing defenders head up it will open up more running options with other moves or even just getting the outside edge and taking off. Again, I'm not saying he isn't good at it now but if he really committed to it I think he could end up as one of the elite power backs in the league. I'd really like to see him to Cincy and be a fun 1-2 with Gio.

 
One thing I really like about Hyde is the way he blocks. He really stones players at times and functioned well as a lead blocker.

 
Running backs getting shorter and heavier

by CHASE STUART on APRIL 20, 2014

http://www.footballperspective.com/running-backs-getting-shorter-and-heavier/

In December, I noted that fewer rushing yards are coming from first round picks. That’s a trend that seems very likely to continue in 2014, and perhaps for the foreseeable future. As it turns out, running backs are also getting shorter and heavier.

LeSean McCoy, Alfred Morris, Frank Gore, Knowshon Moreno, Zac Stacy, DeAngelo Williams, Maurice Jones-Drew, Ray Rice, Giovani Bernard, Trent Richardson, Doug Martin, Danny Woodhead, and Mark Ingram are all 5’10 or shorter. As you can probably infer from the sheer quantity of the group, those players aren’t significant outliers: the “average” running back, weighted by rushing yards last season, was only five feet and 11.1 inches tall. That means backs like Jamaal Charles (6’1), Matt Forte (6’1), and Adrian Peterson are more outliers than the 5’10 backs.

This is a weighted average, so McCoy (who had about 3% of all rushing yards from running backs last year) counts three times as much as, say, Donald Brown when calculating the 2013 (weighted) average running back height. Regular readers will recognize that this is the same methodology I used when calculating the average (weighted) average of each team’s receivers last season. The graph below shows the average weighted height of all running backs since 1950: (See link for chart)

As you can see, running back used to be a tall man’s position. But average running back height has steadily decreased, dropping 1.8 inches from 1965 to 2013. At the same time, running backs are getting heavier, although players at all positions are getting heavier. Still, I thought it would be useful to calculate an average weighted weight of running backs since 1950 using the same formula:(See link for chart)

This trend towards shorter backs looks to continue in this year’s draft. Oregon’s De’Anthony Thomas (5’9, 174) is this year’s shifty/third down back model, while LSU’s Jeremy Hill (6’1, 233) and Ohio State’s Carlos Hyde (6’0, 230) fit the bruising back stereotype.

But most of the other top backs are in the short but stocky range: Auburn’s Tre Mason (207 pounds), Wisconsin’s James White (204), and combine superstar Jerick McKinnon (209) from Georgia Southern are all 5’9. Arizona’s Ka’Deem Carey and Washington’s Bishop Sankey are both 5’10 and around 208 pounds. Florida State’s Devonta Freeman (5-foot-8, 206 pounds) and Boston College’s Andre Williams (5’11, 230) also fit the general mold.

This makes sense to me, even if someone like Peterson remains the best back of our era. For running backs, a lower center of gravity helps, and as weight training and nutrition improves, packing on 210 pounds of muscle on a 5’10 frame is no longer atypical. Franco Harris, Jim Brown, andJohn Riggins were all 6’2, 230. Larry Csonka was even bigger. But the shorter back model is clearly preferred now.

One other note to keep in mind: Over the last decade, running backs are getting lighter. This is a pretty noticeable departure from historical trends, and I can’t imagine this feature is being duplicated at many other positions. But since lighter backs tend to be better in the passing game, this result isn’t too surprising, either.

 
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The RB situation picture is pretty grim after free agency. I'd probably rank these as the best short-term spots:

Tennessee

Atlanta

Arizona

Maybe add New York Giants in there depending on how healthy Wilson is and whether or not you see Jennings as a starter.

I think most of these backs are going to land in places where they need to wait a year or two to have real value. New England, Minnesota, Houston, Buffalo, San Francisco, Chicago, Dallas, etc.

 
Atlanta for sure. Arizona, not so sure.

I can see the Giants grabbing a big back like Hyde. Sucks to say as a David Wilson owner.

Pretty much two possible good opportunities and many good backs.

 
Yea, I think Ellington's per-touch stats were very impressive last season, so there's a chance they can roll with Ellington/Dwyer/Taylor. There may still be room for a big back type like Hyde or Hill to have value there. Mendenhall had somewhat decent FF numbers last year considering how putrid his YPC was.

But basically I don't see too many spots where a rookie is going to walk in and be the most talented guy on the roster.

 
I agree, I see TEN, ATL, NYG, and ARI as the clear best spots for the short-term, depending on how you feel about Ellington.

But NE would be intriguing if a 3rd-4th round RB goes there, because it strikes me as a very Belichick thing to do to just let Vereen and Ridley go as UFA's next offseason. It would require some patience but could be a future gold-mine.

If the Panthers draft a RB in the mid-rounds it's worth keeping an eye on as well, how long can they keep both Stewart and Williams on those ridiculous contracts? They've got to get out from under both soon, right?

 
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But NE would be intriguing if a 3rd-4th round RB goes there, because it strikes me as a very Belichick thing to do to just let Vereen and Ridley go as UFA's next offseason. It would require some patience but could be a future gold-mine.

If the Panthers draft a RB in the mid-rounds it's worth keeping an eye on as well, how long can they keep both Stewart and Williams on those ridiculous contracts? They've got to get out from under both soon, right?
If the Pats go with a RB in the first four rounds (very possible IMO), there's a good chance that he'll be drafted really high in FF leagues. And I think that makes sense because IMO Ridley is not worth retaining at a high price and Vereen is not a three down back even if they keep him.

As for the Panthers, I think Stewart restructured his deal. I'd be a little surprised if they made a big move for a RB this year. I'd guess one more year of the status quo and then maybe a bigger decision next offseason depending on what happens.

 
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But NE would be intriguing if a 3rd-4th round RB goes there, because it strikes me as a very Belichick thing to do to just let Vereen and Ridley go as UFA's next offseason. It would require some patience but could be a future gold-mine.

If the Panthers draft a RB in the mid-rounds it's worth keeping an eye on as well, how long can they keep both Stewart and Williams on those ridiculous contracts? They've got to get out from under both soon, right?
If the Pats go with a RB in the first four rounds (very possible IMO), there's a good chance that he'll be drafted really high in FF leagues. And I think that makes sense because IMO Ridley is not worth retaining at a high price and Vereen is not a three down back even if they keep him.

As for the Panthers, I think Stewart restructured his deal. I'd be a little surprised if they made a big move for a RB this year. I'd guess one more year of the status quo and then maybe a bigger decision next offseason depending on what happens.
I have no idea of the cap numbers involved but even if he restructured, if Stewart doesn't prove to be healthy and productive finally I could definitely see them moving on regardless, starting fresh to establish the running game they so badly want to build around. Again, depending on the cap ramifications.

 
http://nfltraderumors.co/panthers-restrucuture-contracts-ryan-kalil-jonathan-stewart-cap-space/

Jonathan Stewart

  • Stewart reduced his 2014 base salary of $1.5 million to $785,000, according to McIntyre.
  • McIntyre adds that Stewart will receive a $7.5 million signing bonus that will be prorated over the next five years.
With all their WR needs, I would expect that to be a much bigger priority. This is not a great year to need a top shelf RB, especially if you've already got two former first rounders and a decent day 3 speed guy on the books. My guess is they won't do anything major. Maybe a day three pick.

 
http://nfltraderumors.co/panthers-restrucuture-contracts-ryan-kalil-jonathan-stewart-cap-space/

Jonathan Stewart

  • Stewart reduced his 2014 base salary of $1.5 million to $785,000, according to McIntyre.
  • McIntyre adds that Stewart will receive a $7.5 million signing bonus that will be prorated over the next five years.
With all their WR needs, I would expect that to be a much bigger priority. This is not a great year to need a top shelf RB, especially if you've already got two former first rounders and a decent day 3 speed guy on the books. My guess is they won't do anything major. Maybe a day three pick.
You're probably right, CAR will be a spicy landing spot for one of the very talented RB's next year most likely.

 
The RB situation picture is pretty grim after free agency. I'd probably rank these as the best short-term spots:

Tennessee

Atlanta

Arizona

Maybe add New York Giants in there depending on how healthy Wilson is and whether or not you see Jennings as a starter.

I think most of these backs are going to land in places where they need to wait a year or two to have real value. New England, Minnesota, Houston, Buffalo, San Francisco, Chicago, Dallas, etc.
agreed. nice post.

 
I agree, I see TEN, ATL, NYG, and ARI as the clear best spots for the short-term, depending on how you feel about Ellington.

But NE would be intriguing if a 3rd-4th round RB goes there, because it strikes me as a very Belichick thing to do to just let Vereen and Ridley go as UFA's next offseason. It would require some patience but could be a future gold-mine.

If the Panthers draft a RB in the mid-rounds it's worth keeping an eye on as well, how long can they keep both Stewart and Williams on those ridiculous contracts? They've got to get out from under both soon, right?
Agree with the sentiment that NE will take a back early (first three rounds). They cant go into this year with just Ridley, Vereen and Bolden.

People are ranking backs now (and why not, we don't have anything else to do), but the draft will change things dramatically.

The three places that EBF mentioned earlier (Tennessee, Atlanta and Arizona) will probably be the team of the FF backs that go in the first round of rookie drafts, no matter who the player actually is.

 
As you can see, running back used to be a tall man’s position. But average running back height has steadily decreased, dropping 1.8 inches from 1965 to 2013. At the same time, running backs are getting heavier, although players at all positions are getting heavier.
What teams generally want now is essentially a slot receiver who can run the ball without getting hurt - that works out to a 5-9, 210 player.

 
duaneok66 said:
ConnSKINS26 said:
I agree, I see TEN, ATL, NYG, and ARI as the clear best spots for the short-term, depending on how you feel about Ellington.

But NE would be intriguing if a 3rd-4th round RB goes there, because it strikes me as a very Belichick thing to do to just let Vereen and Ridley go as UFA's next offseason. It would require some patience but could be a future gold-mine.

If the Panthers draft a RB in the mid-rounds it's worth keeping an eye on as well, how long can they keep both Stewart and Williams on those ridiculous contracts? They've got to get out from under both soon, right?
Agree with the sentiment that NE will take a back early (first three rounds). They cant go into this year with just Ridley, Vereen and Bolden.

People are ranking backs now (and why not, we don't have anything else to do), but the draft will change things dramatically.

The three places that EBF mentioned earlier (Tennessee, Atlanta and Arizona) will probably be the team of the FF backs that go in the first round of rookie drafts, no matter who the player actually is.
Other than the teams already named, I think there's a few others very likely to draft a RB... Buffalo could use a bigger back, Cincy too to replace their old guys. Pittsburgh, Dallas, and Washington will likely take a COP back to compliment their current starters IMO.

 
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I agree the backs are pretty situation dependent. I like Hyde the most. I think he's basically Eddie Lacy. I have a feeling he ends up in Atlanta. But we'll see. I could see him going to St.Louis despite Stacy's success last year. You have to think any of these top 5 or 6 prospects landing in a good situation has pretty solid value. Prospect values will be greatly changed by this time next week.

 

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