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2015 ACC Basketball - CLOSED (use 2016 thread now) (1 Viewer)
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AAABatteries
Footballguy
It's pretty simple - there's a lot of people that hate Duke because they are successful. On this board there's some of those type of people but not a lot. Most of us just hate Ripleys because he's the proverbially turd in the punch bowl for years and we are tired of it. And everyone knows it even you and other Duke fans. No one wants him here and as long as he stays there will be continued clowning of Duke and Coach K. If he would leave or stop posting it would mostly go away.
Congrats on the big win.
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
Since my team bailed on the United States of the ACC, no one probably cares what I have to say but here's my ranking of the teams......
UVA -I still think they're the best; D will have them in any game. I think losing yesterday will help them.
ND - they lost a flukey game yesterday
Duke - they won a flukey game yesterday, but have a player almost no one else can offset
Louisville - 2nd best in-game coach in the leeg
UNC - can't figure them out
Miami - best in-game coach in the leeg
State - schizo; can beat anyone and lose to anyone in any random sequence
The Rest
UVA -I still think they're the best; D will have them in any game. I think losing yesterday will help them.
ND - they lost a flukey game yesterday
Duke - they won a flukey game yesterday, but have a player almost no one else can offset
Louisville - 2nd best in-game coach in the leeg
UNC - can't figure them out
Miami - best in-game coach in the leeg
State - schizo; can beat anyone and lose to anyone in any random sequence
The Rest
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
I still have Duke ahead of UVA. I just think they're more dangerous come the tourney.
For UNC, they just can't shoot the ball. Paige is their only player who earns respect beyond the 3. Same problem they had last year.
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
I guess I'm trying to have it all ways when I ranked them - some is based on how deep I think they can go in the NCAAs and some is based on what I see now, so I'm contradicting myself.
I cannot see UVA getting blown out by anyone, but I can see Duke laying an egg in a 6 game stretch. On the other hand, I think Duke has a player that almost no one else can counter with and UVA doesn't.
I actually think ND is as dangerous as either to get to a Final Four (watch them get beat by someone like Wofford or GW in the round of 32, now that I said that), but I don't trust Brey in a tight game as far as I can throw him.
I can also see Pitino nursing his team deep into March. Same with Larranaga - that mofo can flat out coach.
I cannot see UVA getting blown out by anyone, but I can see Duke laying an egg in a 6 game stretch. On the other hand, I think Duke has a player that almost no one else can counter with and UVA doesn't.
I actually think ND is as dangerous as either to get to a Final Four (watch them get beat by someone like Wofford or GW in the round of 32, now that I said that), but I don't trust Brey in a tight game as far as I can throw him.
I can also see Pitino nursing his team deep into March. Same with Larranaga - that mofo can flat out coach.
oso diablo
Footballguy
when UVA got up by double-digits, i thought i was watching an old Bobby Knight Indiana team. Like 1976 old.
TLEF316
Footballguy
To me, Duke is clearly better than Notre Dame. I know that sounds very silly given that ND just beat them, but I think its true.
Duke absolutely threw up all over themselves and gave Notre Dame that game. Missed FT's, horrible offense, bad turnovers. ND also made some incredibly tough/lucky shots. Grant made like 3 runners with Okafor right in his chest and then that silly play where he lost the ball with 3 on the shotclock and just basically bobbled it towards the rim. (to put ND up 3)
I fully expect Duke to win fairly easily (like around 12 points) next Saturday. Not saying Notre dame isn't good (they obviously are) but I think Duke matches up very well against them if they don't wet their pants.
I still think UVA is better than Duke. Their ability to make things tough for Okafor is a huge advantage that isn't going away.
Duke absolutely threw up all over themselves and gave Notre Dame that game. Missed FT's, horrible offense, bad turnovers. ND also made some incredibly tough/lucky shots. Grant made like 3 runners with Okafor right in his chest and then that silly play where he lost the ball with 3 on the shotclock and just basically bobbled it towards the rim. (to put ND up 3)
I fully expect Duke to win fairly easily (like around 12 points) next Saturday. Not saying Notre dame isn't good (they obviously are) but I think Duke matches up very well against them if they don't wet their pants.
I still think UVA is better than Duke. Their ability to make things tough for Okafor is a huge advantage that isn't going away.
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Bruce Dickinson
Footballguy
That is fantastic!
The paint job is turning out great, and I like all the transport/storage conveniences you thought through.
Archer
Footballguy
And I feel the same way about you. And I've spoken to several posters here who feel the same way about how you, Wreck, and a few others CONSTANTLY throw your crap out at me. That gets just as old to others too. So maybe try keeping your "hate" to yourself and I'll try the same and we'll see if everyone wins. Of course, you have proven you can't do that, so it is what it is...
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Archer
Footballguy
I go back and forth thinking the same thing. Defensively I know they are better than Duke, but I'm not so sure offensively that's the case. If Winslow and Tyus Jones continue to improve with Jah, you could argue we are a better team offensively. Regardless of which team is better, both are excellent teams that I expect to reach the Final Four along with Kentucky and fill in the blank.
Archer
Footballguy
Archer
Footballguy
Again, you are adding a lot to this thread with this kind of post. About 2000 posters on TDD call him Jah, so if its okay with you, I'll continue to call him what his team mates, friends, fellow Duke students, and fans call him. Hope that doesn't keep you up at night.
sporthenry
Footballguy
When UVA ran their offense and got set on defense, they dominated Duke. How much of their struggles was Duke's game plan versus UVA getting caught up in the moment remains to be seen. It was probably close to 50/50. Duke getting into the open court was smart but UVA seemed a bit flustered by the 3-2 zone. And hitting 3's always makes things better.
But I'm not really sure the Okafor thing will remain a huge advantage. The more he sees defenses like this, he will continue to adapt. He had his way with UVA towards the end. Granted Gil was a non-factor due to foul trouble. But Okafor will continue to see doubles and will continue to learn. Whether he learns fast enough will decide some of Duke's future.
Duke is very much a work in progress but last night's game was pretty huge from a psychological as well as win/loss perspective. Team seemed to be in free-fall and a .500 record in ACC play and looking at 8th place would be tough to give them a top seed if they finish outside the top 4 of their own league. Obviously have some wood to chop still but things look a lot better now than when they were down 11.
Not sure I buy the whole close game thing helps teams but I think last night was good for UVA as well. Not having Mitchell and Harris, I think they got lost in the moment with Atkins and Anderson taking some ill-advised shots. Better now than in the S16.
Again, you are adding a lot to this thread with this kind of post. About 2000 posters on TDD call him Jah, so if its okay with you, I'll continue to call him what his team mates, friends, fellow Duke students, and fans call him. Hope that doesn't keep you up at night.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
I've barely responded to you for over a year. There are at least 10 posters here that respond to you more than I do. You just lose your mind when I do post because you have the thinnest skin ever.Archer said:
Sammy3469
Footballguy
Fwiw, I do think Duke is more of a matchup problem for UVa than the other way around. UVa's Dis predicated on funneling guys into the lane for their help defenders. Duke's one of the few teams that forces them out of position from the start since their offense is predicated on getting Okaforr the initial touch. As soon as UVa doubles him their defensive spacing is shot to hell and they need him to react slowly, make a bad pass, or make a bad offensive move to the basket to have a good defensive possession.
It's not a coincidence that as soon as he got rolling and started making quick, decisive, correct passes (ie stopped forcing everything) for the last 7-9 minutes of the game that Duke had open shot after open shot as UVas defense was out of shape.
The interesting good thing for UVa to is they reacted extremely well to Duke forcing everything the first 10 minutes of the game. If they don't have to double a big, I'm pretty sure after seeing them last night, that they can control any non-elite passing team.
It's not a coincidence that as soon as he got rolling and started making quick, decisive, correct passes (ie stopped forcing everything) for the last 7-9 minutes of the game that Duke had open shot after open shot as UVas defense was out of shape.
The interesting good thing for UVa to is they reacted extremely well to Duke forcing everything the first 10 minutes of the game. If they don't have to double a big, I'm pretty sure after seeing them last night, that they can control any non-elite passing team.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
That is really sweet. Nicely done.tdoss said:
AAABatteries
Footballguy
Last comment and I promise everyone else I'll drop it. You have no clue what you are talking about - I have like 10 posts in this thread. I almost never join the discussion because you've ruined the basketball thread for years. Most of the folks in the thread have no idea who I am and who I root for (unless they follow the CFB thread). I don't mind calling you out on occasion because you are a troll and deserve all the abuse you get. You're either a horrible human being or a mod alias. The board would be a much better place without you and why you don't get the Lhucks treatment is beyond me.Archer said:
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
Justin Anderson showed pretty good restraint last night. Even Winslow thought he was about to get clocked in the face when he put his hands up.
https://mtc.cdn.vine.co/r/videos/F312C7F79C1173683464940187648_35b705cbb8f.1.5.14931237561011624545.mp4?versionId=.81Usr5JfT2JSnVgaoojhcm3I.I_j18u
https://mtc.cdn.vine.co/r/videos/F312C7F79C1173683464940187648_35b705cbb8f.1.5.14931237561011624545.mp4?versionId=.81Usr5JfT2JSnVgaoojhcm3I.I_j18u
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
Tau837
Footballguy
TLEF316
Footballguy
Archer
Footballguy
This is a great article and Tyus "stones" Jones
http://duke.247sports.com/Article/Basketball-Jones-35252125
In crunch time against elite competition, he's been unbelievably good. They compare his stats to Stephen Curry this year in crunch time. By no means am I saying he's as good as curry before the usual fools start flaming, but it is very impressive.
http://duke.247sports.com/Article/Basketball-Jones-35252125
In crunch time against elite competition, he's been unbelievably good. They compare his stats to Stephen Curry this year in crunch time. By no means am I saying he's as good as curry before the usual fools start flaming, but it is very impressive.
Sammy3469
Footballguy
Interesting game tonight. My guess is UVa just strangles UNC on defense and prevents Paige from getting into the lane at all and it turns into a relatively easy win for them. UNC really needs to get their points early in possessions before UVa is set (they get a little unlucky in that UVa just had Duke trying to do the same thing to them) and pound the boards.
Just a sad ACC point in general, but the conference race may be all but decided after this week as UVa and ND will have all but wrapped up the hard part of their schedules.
Just a sad ACC point in general, but the conference race may be all but decided after this week as UVa and ND will have all but wrapped up the hard part of their schedules.
MattFancy
Footballguy
Agreed here. Going to be tough for UNC to win this one. Going to need someone besides Paige to step up. If Britt can have a game like he did against Syracuse, could have a good shot. But if they're relying on Paige to do it all, it's going to be ugly.
Duke's schedule is pretty simple too. They basically have just 2 against UNC and a home game against ND as their tough ones left. No hard road games either except for UNC to end the season. So if those teams at the top faulter, they could sneak up there. But I do like ND the best the rest of the way. Pretty easy schedule after the Duke game for them.
UNC has a ton of road games left. They have 7 game stretch where 5 of 7 are on the road including 3 straight starting with BC this weekend.
TobiasFunke
Footballguy
If they lose a tight one at home to the #2 team they deserve to stay put, assuming a win later in the week (and depending on other results). Just like you deserve to stay put or even move up if you get one win and one OT loss on the road against a top ten team. That's the correct result.
tdoss
Footballguy
Not really arguing against it...I just like the idea of it. It'd be quite interesting if UNC lost again and move up again.
Just a trip how that works sometimes.
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
Yep. Great team this year and with UNC's poor outside shooting, they are a team that will always give them trouble/beat them this year. Really need someone besides Paige to start hitting the outside shots or they won't make it far in the dance.
Aerial Assault
Footballguy
I love that the Hoos and the Heels are playing, Iowa State and Kansas are lacing it up (non-ACC, I realize, I realize), and meanwhile Pitt's playing Bryant.
Archer
Footballguy
of course the one time a certain team under investigation for cheating could win and I not mind it, so naturally UVA wins tonight. They pretty much have 1st locked up now I'd say. Can't see anyone else beating them, MAYBE they slip up with 1 more loss but would think that would be the most for sure. ACC Tournament is gonna be crazy good this year.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
MattFancy
Footballguy
Yup the achillies heel of UNC is outside shooting. If they get down, it's hard for them to shoot their way back in it. Against a top D like UVa, there was almost zero chance of a comeback once they started pulling away.
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Sammy3469
Footballguy
It wasn't the outside shooting that did them in, they just tried to forced too much into the paint by guys who shouldn't be going into the paint against UVa during that second half run. That's UVa's bread and butter and if you continually do it, eventually it'll catch up to you.
The interesting thing is UNC did manage to make UVa play at a quicker pace overall, so they did get half the equation correct.
I can't believe the regular season champion can basically be crowned on Sat if 'Ville doesn't upset UVa,.
MattFancy
Footballguy
Sometimes I think UNC's tempo backfires against them. Last night was a good example and same with Louisville on Saturday. They know their transition game is their bread and butter. But occasionally, they'll rush it too much and then create turnovers or take bad shots because they want to run so much.
Gonna be tough to catch UVa if they win on Saturday for sure. Pretty cake schedule the rest of the way until the finale against Louisville. But it could be decided by then so it may not matter much. As tough as the ACC is, it is hard to believe that Virginia could wrap this think up in early February. Their hardest games left outside of the 2 against Louisville may be @NC St or @Cuse. I don't think either team beats them tough.
tdoss
Footballguy
Aerial Assault
Footballguy
Sure. Most ACC teams have really terrible records at Chapel Hill. Obviously you start with Clemson, but there are other jawdroppers as well. Strangely, the information is really more difficult to find than it ought to be; you would think UNC would (quite rightfully) boast about this, but it doesn't.
Clemson has 0 wins in Chapel Hill.
Georgia Tech has 5 wins in Chapel Hill.
Virginia has 7 wins in Chapel Hill.
Wake has 19 wins in Chapel Hill.
N.C. State has 22 wins in Chapel Hill - including five in the Smith Center, with the most recent coming in 2003.
Duke has 33 wins in Chapel Hill.
With Maryland gone I think that covers the big historical rivalries. If I got any of my numbers wrong, someone please correct me.
Archer
Footballguy
Those numbers are going to be a tad different once the NCAA is done with its investigation though. Of course, removing those wins may be the only way Clemson EVER gets a W there lol
Sammy3469
Footballguy
apalmer
Footballguy
No they won't. Removing victories doesn't change them to losses, so even if your fondest wish happens, it doesn't change these stats.
Aerial Assault
Footballguy
Beat me to it. Vacating wins is not the same thing as giving the opponent the victory. Doesn't work that way.
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