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2015 NBA Thread: I felt a great disturbance in the trolls, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced. (2 Viewers)
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Bob Sacamano
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I don't mind the lack of emotion/stoneface on the court, but the storming off at the end of the game is a dink move.
Eephus
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Good Posting Judge
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The Cavs have won the NBA lottery like 9 times in the last 15 years, including the one with the most highly-rated prep player in a generation. Who has been as advertised. They're also the only actual operating professional basketball team in the Eastern Conference.
The Warriors nailed a long sequence of draft picks almost perfectly, one of which required a Jules-and-Vince-in-the-apartment level of bullet-dodging to get Curry. I would like to present the following three-word rebuttal to the theory that they were possibly just operating on another level, draft-wise, during that time: 2010, Ekpe Udoh. They were sold to a much more engaged ownership group shortly thereafter. Said ownership group has yet to shoot themselves in the foot, but careened awfully damn close in terms of making a bad initial HC hire, and came up to the precipice on what, in hindsight, would've been a disastrous trade for Love. It took a very fortuitous injury to David Lee for them to figure out what they had in Green, who easily could've been shuffled off/traded that year.
The Spurs lucked into Duncan in the draft, although they've arguably had the most skilled front office around him over the last 20 years. OKC lucked into Durant, made a great pick with Westbrook AND faded that pretty ghastly Harden trade. The fortunes of NBA teams really shift the most on the shoulders of a few players, and where those players land (or emerge) is largely a spin of the roulette wheel. So it seems kind of ridiculous to talk about "luck" when you're in the NBA finals, whether you win or lose.
The Warriors nailed a long sequence of draft picks almost perfectly, one of which required a Jules-and-Vince-in-the-apartment level of bullet-dodging to get Curry. I would like to present the following three-word rebuttal to the theory that they were possibly just operating on another level, draft-wise, during that time: 2010, Ekpe Udoh. They were sold to a much more engaged ownership group shortly thereafter. Said ownership group has yet to shoot themselves in the foot, but careened awfully damn close in terms of making a bad initial HC hire, and came up to the precipice on what, in hindsight, would've been a disastrous trade for Love. It took a very fortuitous injury to David Lee for them to figure out what they had in Green, who easily could've been shuffled off/traded that year.
The Spurs lucked into Duncan in the draft, although they've arguably had the most skilled front office around him over the last 20 years. OKC lucked into Durant, made a great pick with Westbrook AND faded that pretty ghastly Harden trade. The fortunes of NBA teams really shift the most on the shoulders of a few players, and where those players land (or emerge) is largely a spin of the roulette wheel. So it seems kind of ridiculous to talk about "luck" when you're in the NBA finals, whether you win or lose.
Eephus
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The Cavaliers were given roughly a 5% chance to win the series after game 4 against a healthy and complete Warriors team. Even if we ignore Green's absence in game 5, playing game 6 in Cleveland (where the Cavaliers have played extremely well all postseason), Vegas NEEDED the Warriors to win (even if they didn't cover) because there was an abnormal amount of money on the Cavaliers moneyline in game 7 in the largest bet NBA game ever. That's why I am extremely confident in saying they were lucky.
He would have given them more valuable minutes in game 7 than Ezeli and Varejao. Those two were terrible.
They were brutal. Agreed. They combined for something like minus 18 in 20 minutes with 1 total rebound. And Kerr putting Ezeli back in with five minutes left may have cost them the game as Ezeli gave up 6 points in about eight seconds.
Pedro Cerrano Fan
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Gr00vus
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I think (as I mentioned earlier) that the run Varejao got in the 3rd lost the game for GS. He got several (what should have been) easy looks right at the basket and blew them all, and combined that with an incredible propensity for fouling everyone he came near on defense, whining throughout all of it. On top of the actual missed gimmies, you could tell the rest of GS completely lost confidence in attempting to score inside with the bigs from then on out, which removed an important dimension from their offense. Cleveland didn't even need to provide the pretense of playing interior D, they were free and easy to crowd the perimeter because the GS bigs couldn't get buckets from 0 feet out. They really missed Bogut there.
DallasDMac
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Probably been mentioned, but not wading through 200 pages to see. But this was Kerr's failure. He let the players talk him in to letting them chase down that record and it cost them. That's why Pop doesn't worry about meaningless records and rest payers. So they are ready come playoff time. Kerr let them get their record. Great. And they have the most regular season wins ever for a team that lost an NBA final. Congrats.
SWC
Bromigo
why not pototoel and then move monroe who just is not a solid fit with the bangos style brohan give me your thoughts both of you if you would take that to the bank
Yeah sorry, but as good as the Spurs have been they've never been in a position to chase a record as "meaningless" as best ever record in the regular season.
They were likely a Draymond technical away from adding a title to that record as well. Lame take to put this solely on the chase for 73 wins. It certainly didn't help them in the playoffs, but it wasn't the primary reason they didn't finish it out with a title.
SWC
Bromigo
i think poetele is longer and supposedly more athletic than adidas sabonis kid but that is a solid pedigree i would love the bucks to dump monore and michael crapper williams for basically anyone they just hurt us and do not fit take that to the bank
STEADYMOBBIN 22
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You are aware that the Spurs were only 6 games worse then the Warriors this year? IIRC, the Spurs were actually in a position to take the lead for wins had they beaten the Warriors a few times in the last month or so of the season.
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Bruce Dickinson
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Maybe the problem is you.
Maybe the problem is you've spent a lot more time being an unrepentant ####### to everybody here and very little time talking about actual basketball.
Maybe you've said some really dumb things here and couldn't handle it, taking it personally when called out on it.
I'd greatly enjoy talking situational points-per-possession stuff here. So would a lot of others. But you seem entitled to talk #### to everyone here and can't take even a smidge of what you dish out.
GoBirds
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Wow really reaching for excuses when you are using the guy that wasn't even allowed off the bench last year in the Finals. Not even close to Cavs last year sorry.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
hence an additional reason for the Warriors to try to win every possible game, perhaps?
GoBirds
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Bruce Dickinson
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And it's not like GSW was grinding their players down. Four guys at 30+ MPG, zero players at 35 MPG. If they were a bunch of 30-33 year-olds playing 38-40 a night I could see the argument for putting the chutes out, but even adjusting for pace they weren't overplaying anyone.
Insein
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Yea Lue really surprised me. I thought he was just a buddy hire for LBJ but he knew what he was doing and made the right adjustments when his team was pressed. Did Lebron going off have a lot to d with it? Yes but he got them back to playing solid defense. Will be interesting to see how his career plays out
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Getting taken deep by OKC didn't help. But that's why Cleveland were the odds-on favorites to win at the beginning of this year, right, there was a far lesser chance that they were going to get caught or even ground down before the Finals.
They were able to keep their minutes per game down, but there were opportunities throughout the year that they didn't take to conserve energy even further. There weren't nearly enough scheduled rest days during the year, starters were often times left in way after the game was put away, and they didn't get a break at the end of the year after they had the #1 seed well in hand. They also could've given more game minutes to their 2nd unit, which despite the post game-1 narrative (which was like 15 narratives ago), wasn't very good. Maybe it ultimately wouldn't have mattered, but I do think the org. erred by letting the players dictate their priorities.
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Bromigo
i remember lue playing he was nothing special but he hung in the nba that has to be because he was a smart player who could get stuff done around his own limitations have to think that has carryed over to his coaching and reading eht game like a smart player take that to the bank
Ghost Rider
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This is a ridiculous take.
27 points (and having 11 of your team's 18 in the 4th quarter)
11 rebounds
11 assists
2 steals
3 blocks
That is a GREAT game by any stretch of the imagination, especially when you factor in his clutch 4th quarter (11 points + that block when the game was tied with under 2 to go).
But if you want to act like his field goal percentage not being great meant he didn't have a great game, while ignoring the fact that every other part of his game was tremendous, have at it.
Craig_MiamiFL
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Love the comment that "he's a poor fit in Milwaukee". Where is there a fit for a terrible defensive center that can't shoot outside 5 feet? 
According to Michael Scotto of Sheridan Hoops, the Bucks are aggressively shopping Greg Monroe.
Monroe seemed like a poor fit in Milwaukee this season on the defensive end and this isn't the first time that we've heard that the Bucks are trying to trade him. Monroe is under contract with the Bucks through the 2016-17 season and he also has a player option for the 2017-18 season, but it's hard to imagine the Bucks getting a lot in return for the big man. If Monroe is traded, that would bode really well for the outlook of John Henson and it would make Utah center Jakob Poeltl an interesting option with the No. 10 pick in the draft.Jun 20 - 12:23 PM
Source: Michael Scotto on Twitter
According to Michael Scotto of Sheridan Hoops, the Bucks are aggressively shopping Greg Monroe.
Monroe seemed like a poor fit in Milwaukee this season on the defensive end and this isn't the first time that we've heard that the Bucks are trying to trade him. Monroe is under contract with the Bucks through the 2016-17 season and he also has a player option for the 2017-18 season, but it's hard to imagine the Bucks getting a lot in return for the big man. If Monroe is traded, that would bode really well for the outlook of John Henson and it would make Utah center Jakob Poeltl an interesting option with the No. 10 pick in the draft.Jun 20 - 12:23 PM
Source: Michael Scotto on Twitter
The Man With No Name
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Right. Tristan Thompson and Draymond Green were the only players that had a decent FG% in game 7. Everyone else didn't
Spurs won 67 games and implemented the blue print to slow down the Warriors. They didn't have the luxury to take the regular season easy. I don't know if the Warriors could have won a playoff series vs the Spurs if SA had home court. Their series vs OKC was more taxing than 5 or 6 extra regular season wins.
DallasDMac
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So Curry was gassed, but it wasn't because he played games and minutes? Unnecessary ones at that? Ok, makes perfect sense. 
GoBirds
Footballguy
Triple double that followed up two 40+ point games facing elimination. He's also not the clown that threw a behind the back pass out of bounds.
Insein
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Frostillicus
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Lebron played amazing. Curry didn't. For whatever reason. Doesn't mean he choked. Cavs probably got some breaks but most champions do. This isn't that hard.
GOB
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