2015 New York Giants - WK10 Cruz announces season ending calf surgery (1 Viewer)

[Yenrub]

Trades the Giants should look into

http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2015/11/nfl_trade_deadline_5_deals_the_giants_should_serio.html#incart_river

 

[dhockster]

Can they win a division at 9-7?

Sure, lose in the first round of the playoffs and pick 20th in the draft, whoopee. It's tough to get excited for a team so deeply flawed possibly winning a terrible division by default.

It's one of those seasons where "IF" they can get Prince, Beatty and Cruz back and they can produce and stay healthy, they might be able to make a run. Chances of them staying healthy to make a run is a big if. More likely with the Cowboys season over due to injuries, Philly being up and down, and Washington being who they are, the Giants will win the division when they really shouldn't have been.Meanwhile, Dallas will be getting a really low draft pick when they have a team, when healthy wouldn't sniff such a low pick. Maybe the locker room will become toxic with Hardy, Dez and the losing.

Can Beatty play RT and if so will the Giants keep him next season? I don't expect that he'll take a pay cut if moved to RT.

Something weird just popped into my head...would you rather make it to the SB and lose to the Patriots, or finish 4-12, pick 7th in next year's draft and get a future HoF pass rusher?

If the answer is not the first choice then I would ask why are you even a fan of the team. The second choice guarantees you nothing. JJ Watt is a future HoF pass rusher and what have do the Texans have to show for it? Nada.

 

[netnalp]

LB Jon Beason to Injured Reserve - Season Over

@TomRock_Newsday 7s7 seconds ago

Fifth time in six seasons that Beason will play no more than five games.

@RVacchianoNYDN 28s29 seconds ago

In two years since signing a three-year, $17M contract with the Giants, LB Jon Beason will have played in only nine total games.

@DanSchneierNFL 4m4 minutes ago

Wish the best for Beason, but Reese should be held accountable. chose him over Linval Joseph-similar $. Bad at the time, worse now. #Giants

@BigBlueInteract now

Jon's Beason's 2016 salary is $2.8 million. His 2016 cap figure is $6,566,668. Last year of his current contract. Giants gain $5.1 million in cap space by cutting Beason after the season. $1,466,668 dead money.

 

[netnalp]

Cons of Beason outweigh any benefits. Would have been nice if he could stay on the field. Time to move on.

JPP added to 53 man roster and expected to play vs. Bucs

 

[netnalp]

@NYPost_Schwartz: Hankins has a torn pectoral muscle. That ends his season. Tough break.

@Patricia_Traina: Revisiting this. If muscle, as this says, might not be season-ending. If tendon, that's a different story.

 

[McGarnicle]

Nice win today.

 

[Yenrub]

It was good to get JPP back but no sooner do we get him we lose Big Hank.

 

[BigBlue_RI]

Man--these injuries! Giants fan living here in Patriot country. I've dreaded these next two weeks since the schedule came out. Pats are better than I ever thought they'd be. If we had a pass rush I'd say we have shot, but Brady is going to pick this D apart like Bree's did. Without Cruz, and no running game, I can't see this offense sustaining drives long enough to keep Brady, Gronk and Co off the field.

 

[netnalp]

New York Giants wide receiver Victor Cruz announces he is having season-ending surgery on his left calf.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2589910-uninterrupted-victor-cruz-announces-hes-having-season-ending-surgery-on-calf

 

[Avery]

New York Giants wide receiver Victor Cruz announces he is having season-ending surgery on his left calf.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2589910-uninterrupted-victor-cruz-announces-hes-having-season-ending-surgery-on-calf

Not unexpected but was hoping to get some players back for a playoff run and now add Cruz to Beatty as guys being shelved for the year.

 

[netnalp]

New York Giants wide receiver Victor Cruz announces he is having season-ending surgery on his left calf.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2589910-uninterrupted-victor-cruz-announces-hes-having-season-ending-surgery-on-calf

Not unexpected but was hoping to get some players back for a playoff run and now add Cruz to Beatty as guys being shelved for the year.

Yeah it sucks. shame they couldn't pull out the win vs. NE. Hopefully it winds up like 2007 and 2011 where they lost regular season games vs NE and GB. Those games were close and they played a lot better after those games and won the SB.

 

[netnalp]

Cruz in the final four years of his contract are as follows:

2015: $6.15 million salary; $8.125 million cap hit
2016: $7.9 million salary; $9.9 million cap hit
2017: $7.4 million salary; $9.4 million cap hit
2018: $8.4 million salary; $8.5 million cap hit

WR in the draft or FA looks like it might be a priority. Won't be a shock if Cruz is asked to restructure or face being cut.

 

[dhockster]

Cruz in the final four years of his contract are as follows:

2015: $6.15 million salary; $8.125 million cap hit

2016: $7.9 million salary; $9.9 million cap hit

2017: $7.4 million salary; $9.4 million cap hit

2018: $8.4 million salary; $8.5 million cap hit

WR in the draft or FA looks like it might be a priority. Won't be a shock if Cruz is asked to restructure or face being cut.

Just to provide a little bit more information, Cruz's dead money against the cap, if cut:

2015: 5.7 million

2016: 3.8 million

2017: 1.9 million

2018: zero

 

[Avery]

Cruz in the final four years of his contract are as follows:

2015: $6.15 million salary; $8.125 million cap hit

2016: $7.9 million salary; $9.9 million cap hit

2017: $7.4 million salary; $9.4 million cap hit

2018: $8.4 million salary; $8.5 million cap hit

WR in the draft or FA looks like it might be a priority. Won't be a shock if Cruz is asked to restructure or face being cut.

Just to provide a little bit more information, Cruz's dead money against the cap, if cut:

2015: 5.7 million

2016: 3.8 million

2017: 1.9 million

2018: zero

I am by no means a "capologist", but it seems a restructure would be best for Cruz and the team.

 

[dhockster]

Cruz in the final four years of his contract are as follows:

2015: $6.15 million salary; $8.125 million cap hit

2016: $7.9 million salary; $9.9 million cap hit

2017: $7.4 million salary; $9.4 million cap hit

2018: $8.4 million salary; $8.5 million cap hit

WR in the draft or FA looks like it might be a priority. Won't be a shock if Cruz is asked to restructure or face being cut.

Just to provide a little bit more information, Cruz's dead money against the cap, if cut:

2015: 5.7 million

2016: 3.8 million

2017: 1.9 million

2018: zero

I am by no means a "capologist", but it seems a restructure would be best for Cruz and the team.

Not disagreeing, but a restucture only works for the team (unless they are totally in cap trouble) only if it is really a pay cut. A restructure that isn't a pay cut, just pays the player a bonus up front in lieu of salary and pushes the cap dollars further into the future.

I have no idea if Cruz is willing to take a pay cut at this point. But if the Giants and Cruz are on good terms, maybe he agrees to a salary reduction.

 

[Yenrub]

They are bringing Nicks back

http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2015/11/blast_from_the_past_giants_reuniting_with_wide_rec.html#incart_river_index

 

[Yenrub]

Tough loss to the Patriots this week

The bye is much needed hopefully we can at least get Prince back on defense and Pugh and Richburg back on offense

JPP being back seems to have helped the defense a bit. I say seems because it’s hard to say whether or not the defense played well against the Patriots or they were benefitting from the Patriots OL injuries and the Edelman injury

The remaining schedule is tough but most of the games are winnable plus despite the Philly loss the Giants have been in every game

Let’s hope the decision making/ clock management issues get cleared up over the bye

 

[Yenrub]

Made my 1st trip up to Metlife yesterday

Nice stadium but seems a bit on the blah side. I did like the Giants hall of fame room and the whiskey bar. Thought the Giants ring of honor around the stadium looked cheesy/tacky. I get that they have to take them down when the Jets are playing but it just didn’t look right to me.

My buddy is a seaon ticket holder so I had nice seats in the endzone lower bowl about 30 rows up (in the endzone that the Giants score both TD’s yesterday)

Crowd was cool about 60/40 Giants/Jets

Everyone in the section I was in knew that when they didn’t kick the FG that they were going to find a way to lose the game. Such a deflating play.

I can't understand why Coughlin wouldn't take a 13 point lead with 9 minutes to go in the game

 

[monk]

Made my 1st trip up to Metlife yesterday

Nice stadium but seems a bit on the blah side. I did like the Giants hall of fame room and the whiskey bar. Thought the Giants ring of honor around the stadium looked cheesy/tacky. I get that they have to take them down when the Jets are playing but it just didn’t look right to me.

My buddy is a seaon ticket holder so I had nice seats in the endzone lower bowl about 30 rows up (in the endzone that the Giants score both TD’s yesterday)

Crowd was cool about 60/40 Giants/Jets

Everyone in the section I was in knew that when they didn’t kick the FG that they were going to find a way to lose the game. Such a deflating play.

I can't understand why Coughlin wouldn't take a 13 point lead with 9 minutes to go in the game

13 pt lead and you still have a at least 2 possessions to kick another field goal to put it out of reach.

Also ...That freakin last Drive

2nd-1 & 3rd-1 why the hell aren't you running the ball to pick up a fresh set of downs?!?!?

1st Down at the 34 why aren't they running to shorten the FG

3rd Down at the 30 same thing

If they could have picked up 3-4 xtra yards and made it 44-45 yarder it would have taken pressure off of the kicker

 

[Yenrub]

Vacchiano: Lack of talent not Coughlin the real problem http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/vacchiano-lack-talent-not-tom-coughlin-hurting-giants-article-1.2458049?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=new-york-giants

I'm not so sure I agree with the article

 

[monk]

Vacchiano: Lack of talent not Coughlin the real problem http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/vacchiano-lack-talent-not-tom-coughlin-hurting-giants-article-1.2458049?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=new-york-giants

I'm not so sure I agree with the article

Talented or Not they were in position to win 4 games that were ultimately lost due to very poor coaching decisions.

I understand and appreciate what Coughlin has done for this team in the past but that's the past.

A coach is paid good money to win and Couglin has managed to lose games that an average fan could have won in the same situations

 

[Chaka]

Vacchiano: Lack of talent not Coughlin the real problem http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/vacchiano-lack-talent-not-tom-coughlin-hurting-giants-article-1.2458049?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=new-york-giants

I'm not so sure I agree with the article

Talented or Not they were in position to win 4 games that were ultimately lost due to very poor coaching decisions.

I understand and appreciate what Coughlin has done for this team in the past but that's the past.

A coach is paid good money to win and Couglin has managed to lose games that an average fan could have won in the same situations

An average fan would never have the team in position to win those games in the first place.

 

[Yenrub]

Vacchiano: Lack of talent not Coughlin the real problem http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/vacchiano-lack-talent-not-tom-coughlin-hurting-giants-article-1.2458049?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=new-york-giants

I'm not so sure I agree with the article

Talented or Not they were in position to win 4 games that were ultimately lost due to very poor coaching decisions.

I understand and appreciate what Coughlin has done for this team in the past but that's the past.

A coach is paid good money to win and Couglin has managed to lose games that an average fan could have won in the same situations

An average fan would never have the team in position to win those games in the first place.

You are both right

 

[monk]

Vacchiano: Lack of talent not Coughlin the real problem http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/vacchiano-lack-talent-not-tom-coughlin-hurting-giants-article-1.2458049?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=new-york-giants

I'm not so sure I agree with the article

Talented or Not they were in position to win 4 games that were ultimately lost due to very poor coaching decisions.

I understand and appreciate what Coughlin has done for this team in the past but that's the past.

A coach is paid good money to win and Couglin has managed to lose games that an average fan could have won in the same situations

An average fan would never have the team in position to win those games in the first place.

You are both right

Except we are now comparing Couglin's coaching to that of an average fan.

Couglin coached the first 3 quarters of those games better than the average fan and the last quarter of those games worse than the average fan

That's acceptable ?

 

[Chaka]

Vacchiano: Lack of talent not Coughlin the real problem http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/vacchiano-lack-talent-not-tom-coughlin-hurting-giants-article-1.2458049?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=new-york-giants

I'm not so sure I agree with the article

Talented or Not they were in position to win 4 games that were ultimately lost due to very poor coaching decisions.

I understand and appreciate what Coughlin has done for this team in the past but that's the past.

A coach is paid good money to win and Couglin has managed to lose games that an average fan could have won in the same situations

An average fan would never have the team in position to win those games in the first place.

You are both right

Except we are now comparing Couglin's coaching to that of an average fan.

Couglin coached the first 3 quarters of those games better than the average fan and the last quarter of those games worse than the average fan

That's acceptable ?

No because it's nonsense.

 

[dhockster]

Vacchiano: Lack of talent not Coughlin the real problem http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/vacchiano-lack-talent-not-tom-coughlin-hurting-giants-article-1.2458049?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=new-york-giants

I'm not so sure I agree with the article

Talented or Not they were in position to win 4 games that were ultimately lost due to very poor coaching decisions.

I understand and appreciate what Coughlin has done for this team in the past but that's the past.

A coach is paid good money to win and Couglin has managed to lose games that an average fan could have won in the same situations

An average fan would never have the team in position to win those games in the first place.

You are both right

Except we are now comparing Couglin's coaching to that of an average fan.

Couglin coached the first 3 quarters of those games better than the average fan and the last quarter of those games worse than the average fan

That's acceptable ?

No because it's nonsense.

Please clarify your thoughts on Coughlin. How do you think he has coached this year, and do you think he deserves to be fired because of it?

 

[Chaka]

Vacchiano: Lack of talent not Coughlin the real problem http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/vacchiano-lack-talent-not-tom-coughlin-hurting-giants-article-1.2458049?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=new-york-giants

I'm not so sure I agree with the article

Talented or Not they were in position to win 4 games that were ultimately lost due to very poor coaching decisions.

I understand and appreciate what Coughlin has done for this team in the past but that's the past.

A coach is paid good money to win and Couglin has managed to lose games that an average fan could have won in the same situations

An average fan would never have the team in position to win those games in the first place.

You are both right

Except we are now comparing Couglin's coaching to that of an average fan.

Couglin coached the first 3 quarters of those games better than the average fan and the last quarter of those games worse than the average fan

That's acceptable ?

No because it's nonsense.

Please clarify your thoughts on Coughlin. How do you think he has coached this year, and do you think he deserves to be fired because of it?

I have not been speaking to that fact at all so I am not sure why I should start now.

I am speaking to the notion that an "average fan" would make better decisions that Coughlin in whatever circumstances people are complaining about. There is an insurmountable distance between sitting in the calm and quite of your living room thinking as to what a coach should or should not do and standing on the sidelines in the shoes of a head coach. So while the "average fan" may be correct that the Giants should have kicked the field goal, or whatever, I have zero faith that same fan would stand up to the pressure of the situation of actually being on the sidelines and having to make whatever decision. They would be more likely to vomit than make the correct decision and there is zero percent chance that fan would have the team in a position to make a game winning decision in the first place.

 

[Chaka]

Belichick went for a drop kick this week that backfired horribly. Time to fire him?

 

[monk]

Vacchiano: Lack of talent not Coughlin the real problem http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/vacchiano-lack-talent-not-tom-coughlin-hurting-giants-article-1.2458049?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=new-york-giants

I'm not so sure I agree with the article

Talented or Not they were in position to win 4 games that were ultimately lost due to very poor coaching decisions.

I understand and appreciate what Coughlin has done for this team in the past but that's the past.

A coach is paid good money to win and Couglin has managed to lose games that an average fan could have won in the same situations

An average fan would never have the team in position to win those games in the first place.

You are both right

Except we are now comparing Couglin's coaching to that of an average fan.

Couglin coached the first 3 quarters of those games better than the average fan and the last quarter of those games worse than the average fan

That's acceptable ?

No because it's nonsense.

Please clarify your thoughts on Coughlin. How do you think he has coached this year, and do you think he deserves to be fired because of it?

I have not been speaking to that fact at all so I am not sure why I should start now.

I am speaking to the notion that an "average fan" would make better decisions that Coughlin in whatever circumstances people are complaining about. There is an insurmountable distance between sitting in the calm and quite of your living room thinking as to what a coach should or should not do and standing on the sidelines in the shoes of a head coach. So while the "average fan" may be correct that the Giants should have kicked the field goal, or whatever, I have zero faith that same fan would stand up to the pressure of the situation of actually being on the sidelines and having to make whatever decision. They would be more likely to vomit than make the correct decision and there is zero percent chance that fan would have the team in a position to make a game winning decision in the first place.

Annual salary: $5.25 million

I haven't met anyone yet that thought they should go for it in that situation

 

[dhockster]

Belichick went for a drop kick this week that backfired horribly. Time to fire him?

If he did it 4 times in a season and failed everytime? Yes.

 

[JAK Straw]

There is a point in the tenure of every coach, no matter how successful, when the team needs to hear a new voice. Even if Coughlin is telling his players all of the right things to do in order to avoid dumb mistakes, it would appear that those players are, consistently, simply not hearing him. This is a not a new phenomenon in sports, it happens all of the time. When you compound that with the coach consistently making the same mistakes again and again, it is telling. Assuming the Giants miss the playoffs again, its simply time for a new approach.

Personally, I also think that the team will have to take a hard look at the performance of Jerry Reese and decide whether to completely clean house. It's my perception that he has failed on more of his draft picks - and free agent signings - that those on which he's succeeded. But that's my personal opinion, I merely suggest that a review is needed. Part of that decision would I think include the idea if you hire a new coach, and ultimately decide that Reese has to go, you are setting yourself up for conflict where the new GM will want to hire his own head coach.

 

[Jello_Biafra]

I love Coughlin, but it's time to move on. Watching these games is so frustrating. They need to get a running game established, and this rotating of 4 RBs is totally ridiculous. None of them can get in a rhythm when they play a different RB every series. Andre Williams? He's a bum. If they haven't figured that out by now, something is really wrong. Let Jennings or Darkwa play a whole game and see how much better the results will be. Vereen? He can catch passes, but that's it. So, of course, when he comes in, they give him carries that go nowhere.

I've watched them blow, what, 4 games this year? After last week's not going for the field goal, I just want to see them clean house. Draft defense, defense, and more defense. Forget about the offense. Sign a FA WR like Crabtree to compliment OBJ, and get rid of Williams and Vereen. I'm just disgusted because the division was handed to them and they blew it.

 

[Yenrub]

I love Coughlin, but it's time to move on. Watching these games is so frustrating. They need to get a running game established, and this rotating of 4 RBs is totally ridiculous. None of them can get in a rhythm when they play a different RB every series. Andre Williams? He's a bum. If they haven't figured that out by now, something is really wrong. Let Jennings or Darkwa play a whole game and see how much better the results will be. Vereen? He can catch passes, but that's it. So, of course, when he comes in, they give him carries that go nowhere.

I've watched them blow, what, 4 games this year? After last week's not going for the field goal, I just want to see them clean house. Draft defense, defense, and more defense. Forget about the offense. Sign a FA WR like Crabtree to compliment OBJ, and get rid of Williams and Vereen. I'm just disgusted because the division was handed to them and they blew it.

Disagree about Vereen

He should be getting the ball more

He has the best yards per carry of the RB's at 4.2

 

[Chaka]

buncha MMQBs with zero self awareness in here

 

[dhockster]

buncha MMQBs with zero self awareness in here

The Giants have had leads in the fourth quarter 9 times this year and have lost 4 of them, predominantly due to poor decision making and clock management by the coach.

If the Giants had lost 4 out of 9 leads in the fourth quarter because Eli threw pick sixes in each of those 4 games, don't you think there would be some discussion of benching Eli? It happened before with Matt Schaub in Houston.

And those calling for Coughlin to be fired are not just recommending it because of the 4 blown games this year. After making the playoffs 4 times in his first 5 years with the Giants and winning one Super Bowl, Coughlin's Giants have made the playoffs once in six years, winning a weak division with a 9-7 record. They happened to get hot at the right time and win the Super Bowl that year, but that is not likely to happen again. The Giants have given up more points than they scored in 5 of the last 6 years. I think Coughlin is a great coach and deserves to be in the hall of fame, but the end of the line happens for everyone at some point. I think the Giants would be better served going in a new direction after this year. I don't think that is showing zero self awareness.

What signs to you see that Coughlin is about to turn this thing around and the Giants are going to be a playoff threat over the next two or three years with him at the helm?

 

[Chaka]

I'm not defending Coughlin, I'm disputing that fans could do better.

 

[dhockster]

I'm not defending Coughlin, I'm disputing that fans could do better.

One person said the average fan could have made better choices than Coughlin did in the games the Giants gave up leads late. A bunch of other people than gave reasons which included the blown games that Coughlin should be fired. You then said there were a buncha MMQB's with zero self-awareness. That seemed to be calling out those who argued that Coughlin should be fired.

Maybe it was a bit of hyperbole to say the average fan could have coached better than Coughlin at the end of the games the Giants lost. But the posters underlying point is valid: Coughlin coached really badly at the end of 4 games and as a result the Giants lost those games.

 

[Chaka]

I'm not defending Coughlin, I'm disputing that fans could do better.

One person said the average fan could have made better choices than Coughlin did in the games the Giants gave up leads late. A bunch of other people than gave reasons which included the blown games that Coughlin should be fired. You then said there were a buncha MMQB's with zero self-awareness. That seemed to be calling out those who argued that Coughlin should be fired.

Maybe it was a bit of hyperbole to say the average fan could have coached better than Coughlin at the end of the games the Giants lost. But the posters underlying point is valid: Coughlin coached really badly at the end of 4 games and as a result the Giants lost those games.

I agree that Coughlin made some questionable decisions, of course if they panned out then we would be lauding him for going for the kill and all that.

 

[RC94]

The Giants cut D. Moore: http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/14344975/new-york-giants-waive-damontre-moore

I am disappointed in Moore. I thought he could have been a good player and he had a great opportunity since the Giants really need a top DE.

 

[zeeshan2]

So Domontre Moore got cut for fighting with Cullen Jenkins over Beats headphones

 

[monk]

Domontre Moore got cut because he sux ... this just gave the Giants a good reason to cut him.

 

[netnalp]

Watch, Moore will wise up after being cut and play well for someone else like Will Hill.

 

[Yenrub]

Tough loss to the Panthers

Technically the Giants are still alive for the division

OBJ totally lost it yesterday and he might get suspended for a must win game in Minnesota

 

[Yenrub]

So the season is over. No playoffs ...again for the Giants

I'm guessing the Coughlin won't be back who will be the replacement?

Not sure if Reese is going to be back or not. The Giants have had a history of holding on to GM's for a while. Will Reese stay and be allowed to hire a head coach which is something I don't think he has done.

On the field needs seem to be mostly on the defensive side of the ball. The pass rush needs to be addressed and we need a MLB in the worst way. Depth in the secondary is also needed.

I wonder if they are going to try and retain JPP. He seems to be making the adjustment to the hand injury I would like to see him back just don't know if they will be able to agree on the money.

On offense we need a reliable WR opposite OBJ. The offensive line especially that RG spot needs to be addressed

 

[Avery]

So the season is over. No playoffs ...again for the Giants

I'm guessing the Coughlin won't be back who will be the replacement?

Not sure if Reese is going to be back or not. The Giants have had a history of holding on to GM's for a while. Will Reese stay and be allowed to hire a head coach which is something I don't think he has done.

On the field needs seem to be mostly on the defensive side of the ball. The pass rush needs to be addressed and we need a MLB in the worst way. Depth in the secondary is also needed.

I wonder if they are going to try and retain JPP. He seems to be making the adjustment to the hand injury I would like to see him back just don't know if they will be able to agree on the money.

On offense we need a reliable WR opposite OBJ. The offensive line especially that RG spot needs to be addressed

If ownership takes a step back to make an assessment of this team, I don't see how they don't hold Reece accountable for the lack of talent on the team. Having said that, I expect Reece to be kept around as the Giants as an organization seem to favor stability over accountability.

 

[Rubi]

Reese should be fired,there have been needs on the team he hasn't addressed or has failed when addressing them. Coughlin should retire,I love the guy but it's time. Either McAdoo gets promoted or they go after Sean Peyton. If that means giving a draft pick I think it's highly unlikely they go that route. Spags should stay. At the very LEAST Reese has to go.

 

[monk]

Reese has been absolutely horrible.

I know everyone is going to flip but even the Beckham pick was bad ... The past 2-3 drafts have been loaded with Wide Receivers ... no need to waste a high pick on one.

The right pick would have been Martin or Donald that year ...either would have filled a need with a Pro Bowl pick and Donald may be the best defensive player in the NFL.

Pugh is very average at best, the type of player that you can easily find in the later rounds - should have been Eifert or Ogletree both needs at the time and both top players at their positions

I like the Flowers pick but that was an absolute necessity and the logical choice.

But they were so desperate for linemen ... I don't know how they didn't go after La'el Collins

 

[Yenrub]

Reese has been absolutely horrible.

I know everyone is going to flip but even the Beckham pick was bad ... The past 2-3 drafts have been loaded with Wide Receivers ... no need to waste a high pick on one.

The right pick would have been Martin or Donald that year ...either would have filled a need with a Pro Bowl pick and Donald may be the best defensive player in the NFL.

Pugh is very average at best, the type of player that you can easily find in the later rounds - should have been Eifert or Ogletree both needs at the time and both top players at their positions

I like the Flowers pick but that was an absolute necessity and the logical choice.

But they were so desperate for linemen ... I don't know how they didn't go after La'el Collins

Oh come on dude I know you don't like Reese but calling the OBJ pick bad is ridiculous

 

[monk]

Reese has been absolutely horrible.

I know everyone is going to flip but even the Beckham pick was bad ... The past 2-3 drafts have been loaded with Wide Receivers ... no need to waste a high pick on one.

The right pick would have been Martin or Donald that year ...either would have filled a need with a Pro Bowl pick and Donald may be the best defensive player in the NFL.

Pugh is very average at best, the type of player that you can easily find in the later rounds - should have been Eifert or Ogletree both needs at the time and both top players at their positions

I like the Flowers pick but that was an absolute necessity and the logical choice.

But they were so desperate for linemen ... I don't know how they didn't go after La'el Collins

Oh come on dude I know you don't like Reese but calling the OBJ pick bad is ridiculous

I was hoping for Martin or Donald and was very disappointed when they took Beckham.

I would trade Beckham for either ... It starts and ends in the trenches.

 

[Yenrub]

7 losses by a combined total of 21 points this season ...damn