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2016-17 NBA Thread: Finals are over, please go away (1 Viewer)

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The third quarter of this Portland/Lakers game may be the single most horrific display of basketball I've ever seen.

Also, is it Lumberjack appreciation night?

 
Rustoleum said:
The third quarter of this Portland/Lakers game may be the single most horrific display of basketball I've ever seen.

Also, is it Lumberjack appreciation night?
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They're celebrating the '77 championship. Stotts is dressed as Dr. Jack and it is glorious.  Walton needs to sit his ### down though so the paying customers behind him can actually see the game.

 
facook said:
They're celebrating the '77 championship. Stotts is dressed as Dr. Jack and it is glorious.  Walton needs to sit his ### down though so the paying customers behind him can actually see the game.
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Did they wear flannel jerseys? Walton problem can't physically sit down in those seats.

I swear I just saw a free throw miss the entire lane.

 
Rustoleum said:
Did they wear flannel jerseys? Walton problem can't physically sit down in those seats.

I swear I just saw a free throw miss the entire lane.
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Pretty sure they were polyester or cardboard.  Yeah I am aware of that with Walton but he spent half the 3rd quarter blocking the game for 30 people.

:lmao:  I saw that too. One of the flying Plumlees shot a free throw directly out of bounds.

 
I don't think Zubac's knees can bend more than 5 degrees. I haven't seen anyone that stiff since that time I went to

 
TobiasFunke said:
NBA fans of the FFA:  please join my burgeoning twitter-based movement to vote DeRozan to the NBA all-star game.  This would not only bump the undeserving Dwyane Wade from the starting lineup in favor of the more deserving DeRozan, but also hopefully free up a much deserved bench roster spot for John Wall and/or Kemba Walker.

It's good for the Raptors, the Wizards and the Hornets. If I could find a way to include the T-Wolves in this I'd have like 80% of the thread regulars.
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Check out this genius. :goodposting:

 
bananafish said:
The Warriors have four players in the all-star game which, while deserved imo, almost makes me shake my head a little. Then I remember that for 15 straight years, from 1997-2003 they had a grand total of zero and that the basketball gods are just keeping the universe in balance.

That being said Zaza still got robbed.
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Latrell Sprewell! 

 
The NBA is such a ####### joke.  How the hell does Embiid not get at least a reserve spot.  Paul Millsuck and Kevin Love can bite me.  #TrustTheProcess

 
Can somebody explain to me why the Knicks would at all be interested in a Melo for Rivers/Crawford trade (that's one of the few ways to get the salaries to match)?  Makes no sense to me with the contracts Rivers and Crawford have.  

 
Sammy3469 said:
Can somebody explain to me why the Knicks would at all be interested in a Melo for Rivers/Crawford trade (that's one of the few ways to get the salaries to match)?  Makes no sense to me with the contracts Rivers and Crawford have.  
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They wouldn't be. I can't imagine that report is real.

 
Sammy3469 said:
Can somebody explain to me why the Knicks would at all be interested in a Melo for Rivers/Crawford trade (that's one of the few ways to get the salaries to match)?  Makes no sense to me with the contracts Rivers and Crawford have.  
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Seems like accurate value for Melo :shrug:

 
Cliff Clavin said:
Seems like accurate value for Melo :shrug:
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I'll agree they are getting parts back, but geez can they at least get working parts?  

Only way I would even think of doing it would be for it to be something like Redick, Rivers, still need more salary and their 2019 first round pick.  That's at least a little interesting since I'd assume Redick would generate another young part from one of the other contenders.   

 
Sammy3469 said:
I'll agree they are getting parts back, but geez can they at least get working parts?  

Only way I would even think of doing it would be for it to be something like Redick, Rivers, still need more salary and their 2019 first round pick.  That's at least a little interesting since I'd assume Redick would generate another young part from one of the other contenders.   
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What's really scary is that it wouldn't at all surprise me if Toronto made a pitch... they badly need a PF and could likely get Melo for Ross, Sullinger, a couple young guys and a late 1st. 

@Kev4029  What was the Masai / Melo relationship like in Denver? Please tell me it was terrible.

 
Kev4029 said:
Not that anybody else gives a ####, but Nikola Jokic is out playing every other big man in the NBA right now, save for maybe Davis and Cousins. His play over the first half of the year has been spectacular (Top ORtg in the league, 10th in WS/48, 13th in PER) but since he has been starting at center this year he is other worldly. He is averaging 19.4/9.4/5.2 in less than 28 MPG (25.3/12.3/6.8 per 36) with a TS% of .706 through the last 14 games.

He'll likely always leave something to be desired defensively because he is a below average athlete and slightly short for the position, but he is already doing everything offensively at an elite level and he is still only 21.
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Update: Still top in ORtg, 10th in PER, 7th in WS/48, 14th in ESPN RPM. Everybody ahead of him in each of those stats is either an All-Star or happens to be named Chris Paul. Averaging 20.8/9.8/5.2 (26.2/12.3/6.5 per 36) in the last 19 games.

Unfortunately, he injured his hip last night and was down for a few minutes with the entire team huddled around him. Sounds like it isn't serious, but he may miss some time.

 
Cliff Clavin said:
What's really scary is that it wouldn't at all surprise me if Toronto made a pitch... they badly need a PF and could likely get Melo for Ross, Sullinger, a couple young guys and a late 1st. 

@Kev4029  What was the Masai / Melo relationship like in Denver? Please tell me it was terrible.
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They hardly had any overlap, Ujiri took over the offseason before they traded Melo. Can't imagine they had a great relationship though. If I remember, the Melo trade rumors started to swirl before the season even started, so Melo was probably #####ing to Ujiri the day he started.

That said, if they could get him for for pennies on the dollar, I think they would be crazy not to. He is a better player on both ends of the court at PF.

 
Cliff Clavin said:
What's really scary is that it wouldn't at all surprise me if Toronto made a pitch... they badly need a PF and could likely get Melo for Ross, Sullinger, a couple young guys and a late 1st. 

@Kev4029  What was the Masai / Melo relationship like in Denver? Please tell me it was terrible.
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I think the list of places Melo would agree to go to starts with the Cavs and ends with the Clippers, so I think you're probably safe in that regard.  I do think the Raptors are a better fit basketball-wise.

I was sort of surprised that Nate Duncan didn't totally pu-pu a Melo for Love trade especially if the Knicks threw in some of the better parts like Kuzminskas, O'Quinn, Hernangomez, etc. with their trade exceptions.  He seemed to think there's enough the Knicks could give them that it's not as far fetched as it looks on first blush.  

 
The new thread title - So is LeBron annoyed that he hasn't been able to create a superteam like the Warriors?  It's really not fair, he should be allowed to do that at least once in his career.

 
Sammy3469 said:
I think the list of places Melo would agree to go to starts with the Cavs and ends with the Clippers, so I think you're probably safe in that regard.  I do think the Raptors are a better fit basketball-wise.

I was sort of surprised that Nate Duncan didn't totally pu-pu a Melo for Love trade especially if the Knicks threw in some of the better parts like Kuzminskas, O'Quinn, Hernangomez, etc. with their trade exceptions.  He seemed to think there's enough the Knicks could give them that it's not as far fetched as it looks on first blush.  
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Yeah, forgot about the NTC. Good!

 
Sammy3469 said:
I was sort of surprised that Nate Duncan didn't totally pu-pu a Melo for Love trade especially if the Knicks threw in some of the better parts like Kuzminskas, O'Quinn, Hernangomez, etc. with their trade exceptions.  He seemed to think there's enough the Knicks could give them that it's not as far fetched as it looks on first blush.  
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I was surprised by that too, and I tend to agree with him. 

 
CentralPA said:
The NBA is such a ####### joke.  How the hell does Embiid not get at least a reserve spot.  Paul Millsuck and Kevin Love can bite me.  #TrustTheProcess
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You are mad that a dude that is averaging 20.5pts and 11 rebs a game from the best team in the conference made the all star team?  Okay.  

 
jvdesigns2002 said:
You are mad that a dude that is averaging 20.5pts and 11 rebs a game from the best team in the conference made the all star team?  Okay.  
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I think he's fishing, but I'm not sure. There isn't a GM out there that would rather have Embiid over either Millsap or Love for this season.

 
Kev4029 said:
I think he's fishing, but I'm not sure. There isn't a GM out there that would rather have Embiid over either Millsap or Love for this season.
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I totally agree--but who a GM would rather have has zero impact on who should be an all-star this particular season.   I hate the Cavs--but totally understand why Love should make the all star team ahead of Embiid this season.  

 
Kev4029 said:
I think he's fishing, but I'm not sure. There isn't a GM out there that would rather have Embiid over either Millsap or Love for this season.
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Not fishing.  I think Embiid should go over Millsap.  Completely disagree with your take on the GMs, not that it matters anyways.

 
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Vanilla Guerrilla said:
The new thread title - So is LeBron annoyed that he hasn't been able to create a superteam like the Warriors?  It's really not fair, he should be allowed to do that at least once in his career.
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It's about how LeBron is concerned for the Lakers. The league's just better when the Lakers are competitive, LeBron knows this.

The good news is the Lakers currently have the 2nd worst win percentage and second most losses in the league, currently residing at the bottom of the western conference - that's right, below Phoenix. It's all coming together.

 
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Can somebody explain to me why the Knicks would at all be interested in a Melo for Rivers/Crawford trade (that's one of the few ways to get the salaries to match)? Makes no sense to me with the contracts Rivers and Crawford have.
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The Clippers were just trying the same schtick that the Knicks tried with the Cavs.

 
CentralPA said:
Not fishing.  I think Embiid should go over Millsap.  Completely disagree with your take on the GMs, not that it matters anyways.
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I challenge you to find a player to ever make an all-star team playing a similar amount of minutes on a team similarly as bad as the 76ers. The only guys that you'll find are legacy players like Kobe from a couple years ago (I looked this up for you, the most similar comparison would be Jack Molinas in the 50s who made the All-Star game before being banned for life mid-season for an NCAA point shaving scandal, later murdered in a mob hit). There is no recent precedent for Embiid making it. Here is the list of All-Stars to make the game playing less than 1400 minutes in a season, which is what Embiid is projected for.

On the other hand, Millsap is the best player on a team that is 4th in the conference and is arguably the best defender at his position in the NBA, certainly top 2.

If all the All-Star game was going for was entertainment factor rather than a reward for consistent play, Embiid would certainly make it, but that's not how it is voted.

 
Sammy3469 said:
Can somebody explain to me why the Knicks would at all be interested in a Melo for Rivers/Crawford trade (that's one of the few ways to get the salaries to match)?  Makes no sense to me with the contracts Rivers and Crawford have.  
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Do Rivers and Crawford's contracts expire after this season? That's the only way it makes sense.

 
Kev4029 said:
I challenge you to find a player to ever make an all-star team playing a similar amount of minutes on a team similarly as bad as the 76ers. The only guys that you'll find are legacy players like Kobe from a couple years ago (I looked this up for you, the most similar comparison would be Jack Molinas in the 50s who made the All-Star game before being banned for life mid-season for an NCAA point shaving scandal, later murdered in a mob hit). There is no recent precedent for Embiid making it. Here is the list of All-Stars to make the game playing less than 1400 minutes in a season, which is what Embiid is projected for.

On the other hand, Millsap is the best player on a team that is 4th in the conference and is arguably the best defender at his position in the NBA, certainly top 2.

If all the All-Star game was going for was entertainment factor rather than a reward for consistent play, Embiid would certainly make it, but that's not how it is voted.
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:no:  I can't find the graphic, but compare Milsap to Embiid for the year. Embiid has better overall stats than Milsap in 2/3 of playing time

this one isn't good, but I'm at work and can't go looking too much:

http://www.landofbasketball.com/player_comparison/joel_embiid_vs_paul_millsap.htm

 
Short Corner said:
That graphic doesn't show what you think it shows.
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honeslty, I don't care a ton, Embiid will be on plenty of all-star teams. Anybody who thinks Milsap is more valuable than Embiid is a little off though. All-Star snubs are the usual. Lillard should be in too, few others. I don't think McCollum got in either which seems like a bit of an oversight, even though it is hard to argue any of those guards in the West. Jordan over Townes is dumb too

 
modogg said:
honeslty, I don't care a ton, Embiid will be on plenty of all-star teams. Anybody who thinks Milsap is more valuable than Embiid is a little off though. All-Star snubs are the usual. Lillard should be in too, few others. I don't think McCollum got in either which seems like a bit of an oversight, even though it is hard to argue any of those guards in the West. Jordan over Townes is dumb too
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It's almost like people value wins.

 
modogg said:
:no:  I can't find the graphic, but compare Milsap to Embiid for the year. Embiid has better overall stats than Milsap in 2/3 of playing time

this one isn't good, but I'm at work and can't go looking too much:

http://www.landofbasketball.com/player_comparison/joel_embiid_vs_paul_millsap.htm
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Here is what you are looking for.

There is an argument to be made that Embiid has been better than Millsap when they have played, which I wouldn't necessarily agree with, but I could definitely agree with some of the logic. The problem is, the Sixers suck, the Hawks are good, and Millsap has played TWICE as many minutes. To me its not even close.

 
Kev4029 said:
Here is what you are looking for.

There is an argument to be made that Embiid has been better than Millsap when they have played, which I wouldn't necessarily agree with, but I could definitely agree with some of the logic. The problem is, the Sixers suck, the Hawks are good, and Millsap has played TWICE as many minutes. To me its not even close.
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work computer still blocking me :ph34r: , but thanks that probably was the one referencing the comparison for them

 
modogg said:
honeslty, I don't care a ton, Embiid will be on plenty of all-star teams. Anybody who thinks Milsap is more valuable than Embiid is a little off though. All-Star snubs are the usual. Lillard should be in too, few others. I don't think McCollum got in either which seems like a bit of an oversight, even though it is hard to argue any of those guards in the West. Jordan over Townes is dumb too
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I don't think there were many snubs this year. The Blazers are wildly disappointing and neither McCollum or Lillard play any defense. KAT has played well but is still a mediocre defender and the Wolves aren't very good. Jordan has become a defensive force and fortunately for him, he gets to play with the best true PG in the NBA.

Speaking of, the only player I think got snubbed is Chris Paul, but I understand why he wasn't selected as he wasn't going to play anyway.

 
BigSteelThrill said:
:yes:

6ers beat the #2 team in the East a few days ago.

Now they are playing the #3 team in the West tough deep into the 3rd. 

Ben Simmons... come on down! 
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yeah the talent discrepancy is showing tonight, and they are playing a team that plays at the same pace they do. Hoping the boys can come through and cover the +6.5. Kings finally lost thought, whew

ETA: fools gotta cover Embiid. Raining 3s

 
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6ers start 4th quarter down by 12...

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 Joel Embiid makes 26-foot three point jumper (Nik Stauskas assists)


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 Joel Embiid defensive rebound


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 Corey Brewer misses driving layup


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 Joel Embiid makes 25-foot three point jumper (T.J. McConnell assists)


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 Clint Capela bad pass (Joel Embiid steals)


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 Joel Embiid makes 18-foot jumper


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it is funny how Joel loves to get the fans loud when he shoots foul shots. I'm not sure the last time i have seen a player who loves all that noise shooting FTs.

Maybe DeAndre Jordan and his 30% FTA should try it

 
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