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2016-17 NBA Thread: Finals are over, please go away (3 Viewers)

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The Celtics have won 11 of their last 12.  All without Avery Bradley.  That's pretty good.

Marcus Smart still isn't the guy I want to see shooting the ball in crunch time but he is playing really great defense and last night he was crazy good.

 
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Big loss for the Lakers last night at Phoenix. Lakers tied with the Suns in the loss column and are only one game back in the win column for 2nd worst record in the league. Circle the calendar on March 9 for their last meeting.

 
The Heat is on a 14-2 streak, including wins against GS, Atlanta and twice against the Rockets. They had 27 assists tonight - that was uncommon during the Wade and Lebron years.

Their win streak coincided with Winslow and Richardson being out due to injury, and Waiters and James Johnson playing better than ever. If they keep it up, they'll make the playoffs and miss a chance a a top draft pick. It will be hard to trade Dragic, unless they start losing again. 

 



Shane Battier to lead Heat's analytics department

 
Big loss for the Lakers last night at Phoenix. Lakers tied with the Suns in the loss column and are only one game back in the win column for 2nd worst record in the league. Circle the calendar on March 9 for their last meeting.
I may fly out to PHX for that one.  It's a big one - must lose for sure.  

 
Great hire.  Meanwhile, the Lakers FO is debating giving full player personnel control to Magic.  

Shoot me now. 
:shrug: I don't think it can get worse. I may be sorry I said that at some point in the future, but I really don't think it can. The current regime traded away 2 first rounders for a broken down 40 year old point guard and ponied up $84M over 4 years for a broken down forward. Magic has work to do to screw up worse than that.

 
:shrug: I don't think it can get worse. I may be sorry I said that at some point in the future, but I really don't think it can. The current regime traded away 2 first rounders for a broken down 40 year old point guard and ponied up $84M over 4 years for a broken down forward. Magic has work to do to screw up worse than that.
Wasn't the Nash well received? Obviously it ended up being terrible and in retrospect that shouldn't have been surprising, but we (this thread) thought it was a good move at the time. A lot of stuff went bad all at once for the Lakers a few years ago to get to this point, and not all of it was the Lakers management's fault, IMO. 

That isn't to say that they haven't ran the franchise into the ground the last 3 or 4 years since the Nash trade.

 
Wasn't the Nash well received? Obviously it ended up being terrible and in retrospect that shouldn't have been surprising, but we (this thread) thought it was a good move at the time. A lot of stuff went bad all at once for the Lakers a few years ago to get to this point, and not all of it was the Lakers management's fault, IMO. 

That isn't to say that they haven't ran the franchise into the ground the last 3 or 4 years since the Nash trade.
I liked the Howard deal at the time. I wasn't so thrilled about giving up 2 firsts for Nash. The guy was on limited minutes the year before and was having health issues even so, plus with Kobe, Gasol, and Howard, Nash/Dantoni didn't seem like ideal fits to me. I didn't think it would turn out this bad, but it still wasn't a solid gold move at the time. In general people thought it was great at the time though - like they'd locked up the championship.

 
Dwight Howard not turning into the next great Laker really hurt them...historically the Lakers have always had a big-time stud (usually more than one) and Howard was seen as the heir to this...they really haven't recovered from that debacle... 

 
You simply can't make that call to end a game unless it's blatant on the elbow.   He certainly may have gotten grazed his elbow, but even in slow motion you couldn't tell.  
It's been a POE for over a decade.  The advantage a defender gets grazing a knee or elbow mid shot is huge.

 
It's been a POE for over a decade.  The advantage a defender gets grazing a knee or elbow mid shot is huge.
It was a weak call that cost them the win.  As a team shooting for a 1 seed in the East that stings.  Even after slow-mo replays from 4 different angles you can't even confirm he was touched.  at least 2 of those angles look like for sure no graze. 

I get it... the life of an NBA ref is hard and unrewarding, but that was junk tonight.

 
The Celtics have won 11 of their last 12.  All without Avery Bradley.  That's pretty good.

Marcus Smart still isn't the guy I want to see shooting the ball in crunch time but he is playing really great defense and last night he was crazy good.
Smart vs Butler was great basketball.  I really enjoyed that. 

 
It was a weak call that cost them the win.  As a team shooting for a 1 seed in the East that stings.  Even after slow-mo replays from 4 different angles you can't even confirm he was touched.  at least 2 of those angles look like for sure no graze. 

I get it... the life of an NBA ref is hard and unrewarding, but that was junk tonight.
I haven't seen the call so I can't defend it.  Fact remains that it has been called ultra tight for as long as most guys have been in the league.  They should know better.  There really isn't much upside to doing it any more and you ppt yourself in a position to get rung up.

 
You simply can't make that call to end a game unless it's blatant on the elbow.   He certainly may have gotten grazed his elbow, but even in slow motion you couldn't tell.  
Real tough way to end the game...really no need for a whistle to decide the game on a play that was very iffy at best...Smart didn't deserve that...he played great D...it's the type of call you see at the fourth-grade level not in the NBA...that being said I love the fight in this team...too bad Horford didn't sink that 3 with .9 left...would have been fitting...

On another note I find Jimmy Butler's hairdo kind of odd...it is almost distracting...

 
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Some different angles of the Smart/Butler play so you can decide for yourself...right before that Smart made a sick defensive play and stuffed Butler...this kid can D up anyone and has the potential to be a difference-maker come playoff time on that side of the floor...while this play will get the attention it was actually Isiah being a little out-of-control late that cost them...I am usually OK with him looking for his shot in the fourth but I think he got caught up in going head-to-head with Butler and got carried away which lead to a couple of shots that should not have been taken...

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/watch-isaiah-thomas-says-ref-made-a-horrible-call-robbed-celtics-of-win/

 
Real tough way to end the game...really no need for a whistle to decide the game on a play that was very iffy at best...Smart didn't deserve that...he played great D...it's the type of call you see at the fourth-grade level not in the NBA...that being said I love the fight in this team...too bad Horford didn't sink that 3 with .9 left...would have been fitting...

On another note I find Jimmy Butler's hairdo kind of odd...it is almost distracting...
You pretty much have to decapitate or Indian leg wrestle someone to get a foul called in 4th grade.

 
Real tough way to end the game...really no need for a whistle to decide the game on a play that was very iffy at best...Smart didn't deserve that...he played great D...it's the type of call you see at the fourth-grade level not in the NBA...that being said I love the fight in this team...too bad Horford didn't sink that 3 with .9 left...would have been fitting...
The bottom line is when your bigs get less than 10 rebounds as a COMBINED TOTAL, you're not going to win.

They need a rim protector at the trade deadline - more than they need another scorer.  Both would be nice, but one is an absolute priority.

 
Battier seems kind of fake smart tbh.
He's definitely smart, whether he's basketball analytic smart is a different matter.  He definitely used the info when he was playing (there are interviews where he describes how he'd try to force specific guys to specific points on the floor based off those reports), but coming up with the ideas to research is another matter.  

 
The bottom line is when your bigs get less than 10 rebounds as a COMBINED TOTAL, you're not going to win.

They need a rim protector at the trade deadline - more than they need another scorer.  Both would be nice, but one is an absolute priority.
Agree but disagree for a little bit of a different reason...they do need both but it is far easier to get a rim protector and short-term that would help them a lot...to win a championship they need to get another big time scorer...a rim protector alone will not get them by a Cleveland or Golden State...I think the issue is Ainge is afraid to give away assets for short-term gain until he figures out the big move...little frustrating for now but I think it's the right way to do business...once he makes the big move he will than be able to make the other moves that can take help take them to the next level...like getting a legit rim protector...

 
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Agree but disagree for a little bit of a different reason...they do need both but it is far easier to get a rim protector and short-term that would help them a lot...to win a championship they need to get another big time scorer...a rim protector alone will not get them by a Cleveland or Golden State...I think the issue is Ainge is afraid to give away assets for short-term gain until he figures out the big move...little frustrating for now but I think it's the right way to do business...once he makes the big move he will than be able to make the other moves that can take help take them to the next level...like getting a legit rim protector...
What do you think the chances are that if the Celtics get the #1 pick that they trade out of that spot, let someone else take one of those top two PG's, and still manage to get the #1 pick of the team the trade with, plus that teams #1 pick next year? 

 
What do you think the chances are that if the Celtics get the #1 pick that they trade out of that spot, let someone else take one of those top two PG's, and still manage to get the #1 pick of the team the trade with, plus that teams #1 pick next year? 
Not to be wise but I think it is very slim...first of all Ainge is not going to pass on a potential star due to position...if he thinks  Ball or Fultz are elite he will take them regardless of what their roster looks like...secondly, if they deal this pick it will be for a stud veteran...they are already loaded with picks and young players (they even have Euros stashed who like legit)...they need to condense those assets rather than add on to them...unless they can get a Butler, Haywood or George level player I don't see that pick being dealt...in a perfect world (for a Celtics fan) they would get one of those players without having to give up that pick...difficult but definitely not impossible...

 
The Sixers
And probably the Nuggets.  I'm about 99% sure the Wiz would throw at least a first round pick at them for Barton. Three years of cheap Crowder is fine but I'm guessing they'd rather have Gallinari/whatever they can get for him + the pick, even if its in the 20s.

 
The bottom line is when your bigs get less than 10 rebounds as a COMBINED TOTAL, you're not going to win.

They need a rim protector at the trade deadline - more than they need another scorer.  Both would be nice, but one is an absolute priority.
Also, not sure but they could possibly already have their long-term rim protector in Zizic...word is he is developing very nicely and would be a top 10 pick this year...not gonna help this year but help maybe on the way...

 
Real tough way to end the game...really no need for a whistle to decide the game on a play that was very iffy at best...Smart didn't deserve that...he played great D...it's the type of call you see at the fourth-grade level not in the NBA...that being said I love the fight in this team...too bad Horford didn't sink that 3 with .9 left...would have been fitting...

On another note I find Jimmy Butler's hairdo kind of odd...it is almost distracting...
:lmao:

Sometimes the criticism of officials is justified.  But sometimes it is laughable.  This is one of those cases.

"Because I can see clearly after 1,000 looks at a replay from 4 different angles that he didn't hit his arm by 1/100th of an inch, there is no way that ref should have called it in real time from his one vantage point."

Had Smart followed through just another 1/2 inch and actually hit the arm and then it wasn't called, then the Bulls would have been complaining.

I have to guess on shooting arm contact at the HS level about twice a game because unless you are at the perfect angle, you just can't see for sure.  Often times I err on the side of foul if the defender is coming out toward the player because it is likely there was contact...especially if I can see the flight of the ball seems affected.

 
:lmao:

Sometimes the criticism of officials is justified.  But sometimes it is laughable.  This is one of those cases.

"Because I can see clearly after 1,000 looks at a replay from 4 different angles that he didn't hit his arm by 1/100th of an inch, there is no way that ref should have called it in real time from his one vantage point."

Had Smart followed through just another 1/2 inch and actually hit the arm and then it wasn't called, then the Bulls would have been complaining.

I have to guess on shooting arm contact at the HS level about twice a game because unless you are at the perfect angle, you just can't see for sure.  Often times I err on the side of foul if the defender is coming out toward the player because it is likely there was contact...especially if I can see the flight of the ball seems affected.
So you are ok with a hard-fought game being decided on that call?  It is a regular season game so I am not going to go crazy over it but IMO there was not enough going on there (and it looked like less in real time) to put a guy on the line with .9 seconds to decide the game...

 
Tough way to end the game and I've seen much worse not called.  The ref had to think the contact was more solid, and maybe it was, I couldn't tell (but he did make contact).  If you think about it, he had no chance at blocking the shot, not a "smart" play to reach out like that.

 
Tough way to end the game and I've seen much worse not called.  The ref had to think the contact was more solid, and maybe it was, I couldn't tell (but he did make contact).  If you think about it, he had no chance at blocking the shot, not a "smart" play to reach out like that.
I dunno, touching a guy's elbow mid-jumper is not the same as a reach-in or body contact or something.  If you even graze an elbow the shot's gonna miss. Gotta call it if you think there's any contact at all.

 
I dunno, touching a guy's elbow mid-jumper is not the same as a reach-in or body contact or something.  If you even graze an elbow the shot's gonna miss. Gotta call it if you think there's any contact at all.
Ya, I can get on board with this.  I didn't really have a problem watching that yesterday, although I was rooting for the Bulls.  It's still a tough call...and I still say I've seen alot worse not called.  Not that it means much, but Butler did say he was hit in the elbow.  

 
Some different angles of the Smart/Butler play so you can decide for yourself...right before that Smart made a sick defensive play and stuffed Butler...this kid can D up anyone and has the potential to be a difference-maker come playoff time on that side of the floor...while this play will get the attention it was actually Isiah being a little out-of-control late that cost them...I am usually OK with him looking for his shot in the fourth but I think he got caught up in going head-to-head with Butler and got carried away which lead to a couple of shots that should not have been taken...

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/watch-isaiah-thomas-says-ref-made-a-horrible-call-robbed-celtics-of-win/
From article:  'Smart, via MassLive, initially offered a “no comment” when asked if he touched Butler on the play, but later said he “played helluva great defense right there, and I know I did,” asserting that the referee only called the foul after Butler yelled, ‘No foul?’”'

Translation:  Yeah, I touched him but should have gotten away with it

 
Master of Past and Present said:
From article:  'Smart, via MassLive, initially offered a “no comment” when asked if he touched Butler on the play, but later said he “played helluva great defense right there, and I know I did,” asserting that the referee only called the foul after Butler yelled, ‘No foul?’”'

Translation:  Yeah, I touched him but should have gotten away with it
I would say the translation is Jimmy Butler got a superstar call...If that was Dougie McBuckets the game ends on that shot...

 
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