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2016-17 NBA Thread: Finals are over, please go away (2 Viewers)

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modogg said:
Yup. Really comes down to how the organizations value the prospects. i have heard some dissenting stuff with Fultz, making it more like a top 3 then Fultz alone at the top. Some even throw Taytum in that talk too. One good thing with Boston is that they are ok going on their own, they did with Brown last year. I would objectively say, with the current Celtics team, that Taytum or Jackson are a better immediate fit. Probably depends on what Celtics want to do with IT, etc. 

I also have to think Boston would feel they won't be in such a position again in a long time with #1 overall. 
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They have the Nets #1 next year so a long time could be 12 months...

 
Dez said:
Did you watch last night ?  Tell me again how Cleveland wins the East without LeBron.  Like I said 0-6 without him this year and 4-18 without him since he came back.  It isn't a fluke.  They are a terrible team without their leader and it showed last night.
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It was one game. ONE.  The overreaction to this game is hilarious.  They were playing a game against a team they completely dominated for 10 quarters.  I don't think anyone can blame them for getting a little lazy.

 
Boston said:
They have the Nets #1 next year so a long time could be 12 months...
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would definitely be in the lottery. I guess they run into a somewhat similar situation as the Sixers, when do these assets become too much? Sixers had a good plan when Hinkie was here that outlined how each of the rookies would potentially be paid as their rookie contracts expired, etc. (was an article a few years ago). rookies will be cheaper, but i have heard from a few random podcasts how it seems the Celtics should make a decision this off-season whether to go for it now or be happy to plan for 4-5 from now. They basically explained that they can't have both (and to be honest i listened while painting, etc. so don't remember the details). I don't really know, but it should at least (hopefully) make for an entertaining off-season. 

 
tjnc09 said:
It was one game. ONE.  The overreaction to this game is hilarious.  They were playing a game against a team they completely dominated for 10 quarters.  I don't think anyone can blame them for getting a little lazy.
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Cavs are giving 14.5 next game, so i need the guys in Vegas or the gambling crowd to start hearing this too before i can feel good putting money on the Cavs. Will be interesting what this game does for Celtics confidence. It was obvious Cavs broke them in Boston, they did a nice job bouncing back. 

 
tjnc09 said:
It was one game. ONE.  The overreaction to this game is hilarious.  They were playing a game against a team they completely dominated for 10 quarters.  I don't think anyone can blame them for getting a little lazy.
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You are both right and wrong. I think they make the playoffs without LeBron, but I think the East would have been wide open and any one from the Celtics to the Bulls could have made the finals and got killed by whoever came out of the West. 

 
DJackson10 said:
I hope that's true. I could go on all evening about the issues I've had with posters on other boards. One poster belittled me after the Bynum trade happened after I said the Sixers would regret it. I didn't say anything like I hope the Sixers stink or any type of trollish behavior. Just went after stupid things about me. A lot of posters stayed out of it besides one guy who basically said he was being a total d bag and there was no reason for his behavior and only did it because I didn't agree with his opinion and in fact this poster who defended me even agreed on an extent with me. I never even rubbed that in I was right about that trade. Another poster on that same board is just a whole circle jerk and will start a debate even on semantics. Dude literally would troll looking for posts to go after someone just to argue. Over the years i created some friends and many of those friends left the board and emailed me one of the reasons they left was said poster. Overall it's nice to know most here aren't like those guys. i've had some terrible experiences on forums where people just belittle anyone who doesn't agree with them. I haven't gotten into the political discussions if there are in there as i do like politics but how are those?  
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they're great, go check them out.

 
ShamrockPride said:
So quality question here I saw posted on another forum I frequent. Which HoF'ers has LeBron beaten in the Eastern Conference playoffs since his Celtics rivalry? Paul George, and then what...Hall of Very Good Josh Smith and Joe Johnson?
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Who says Paul George is a HOFer?

 
DJackson10 said:
You honestly expect this to ever end? it's been going on since LeBron got in the league. I also think it's dumb for people say LeBron got these stats at age X when MJ got them at AGE Z. No **** sherlock MJ went to North Carolina for 4 yrs and lost a year to retirement and another to injury. I think that's just moving the goal post around argument for people to try and argue LeBron being better. Common sense comes in and you realize LeBron has been in the NBA since he was 18. MJ spent 4 in college lost a year to retirement and most of another do to injury. You're looking at least 6 yrs he lost of NBA action there. Hey good for LeBron if he passes him but he's had a leg up on MJ and given a 4 yr head start plus 2 other seasons lost. 
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you forgot about the two years he was suspended.

 
ShamrockPride said:
Knocked out in 2006 by Pistons. Came back to beat them in the ECFs in 2007. On the tail end of Detroit's run, but I'll be generous and give it to him. Beat Chauncey, Rip, and I think Wallace was still on that team.
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Generous?  Were the Pistons not heavily favored and up 2-0 to start the series?  Lebron put on one of the single greatest playoff spectacles of all time in game 5.  Sheed and Ben, btw.

 
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Jayrod said:
If we are talking insecure, MJ is about as insecure as they come.

He spent his entire HOF speech reminding everyone how badly he beat them all.
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You do realize how competitive he is right? He was always bragging how he was going to badly beat someone and he still did it. Imagine how your mind would be with that?  

 
Weebs210 said:
Billups, Garnett, Pierce, Pau Gasol, Carmelo, Tyson Chandler, Paul George, Ray Allen, Rondo, Deron Williams, Iso Joe, Terry, Butler, and Millsap to name a few. Sure I missed a bunch.
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Yeah but didn't he Beat Garnett, Pierce and Allen at the tail end of their careers not their primes? Some of the guys you mentioned were great during their prime but the only guys I'd say had a legit shot at the HoF are Garnett, Peirce, Gasol maybe (And it wasn't prime Gasol either), Allen who eventually teamed with him and Deron Williams has kind of fallen off the face of the earth since his Utah days. 

 
modogg said:
would definitely be in the lottery. I guess they run into a somewhat similar situation as the Sixers, when do these assets become too much? Sixers had a good plan when Hinkie was here that outlined how each of the rookies would potentially be paid as their rookie contracts expired, etc. (was an article a few years ago). rookies will be cheaper, but i have heard from a few random podcasts how it seems the Celtics should make a decision this off-season whether to go for it now or be happy to plan for 4-5 from now. They basically explained that they can't have both (and to be honest i listened while painting, etc. so don't remember the details). I don't really know, but it should at least (hopefully) make for an entertaining off-season. 
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The Sixers seem to have a core of Embiid/SImmons. I don't like it do to injury risk with Embiid and I'm not high on Simmons but they need to start wuilding around that. I think Hinkie screwed them with a few draft picks. MCW, Noel is now gone and Okafor is just a waste of space on any NBA Roster at this point. I agree with BPA but when you draft 3 Cs all injured besides Okafor you are gonna run into a problem later. The time for the Sixers to use those assets is now. The Celtics I think need to use them as what was said yesterday they have a lot of moving pieces about to leave soon. They don't need to go into rebuild totally but their time to win is now with such a weak conference. 

 
Short Corner said:
you forgot about the two years he was suspended.
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That's a rumor he was suspended though. No one ever made a concrete argument over it. I put in his first retirement and him breaking his leg. It was essentially 6 yrs he missed. Either way the point still stands there that arguing getting X Stats at X age faster then MJ at X Age is really stupid and pointless. 

 
Dr. Octopus said:
Alternate thread title: "The DJackson10 Soliloquies"
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I kinda hope the Cavs lose tonight just for the spectacle of the all the Baylesses coming out from under their rocks.

"I knew that guy didn't have the killer instinct against elite competition!  Those three straight victories over a 73 win team to close out the Finals last year where he posted 41/16/7, 41/8/11 and 27/11/11 were just a fluke!"

 
DJackson10 said:
You do realize how competitive he is right? He was always bragging how he was going to badly beat someone and he still did it. Imagine how your mind would be with that?  
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Are you saying Michael Jordan had some sort of heightened level of competitiveness compared to the average person?  That's quite the revelation.

 
DJackson10 said:
Jayrod said:
If we are talking insecure, MJ is about as insecure as they come.

He spent his entire HOF speech reminding everyone how badly he beat them all.
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You do realize how competitive he is right? He was always bragging how he was going to badly beat someone and he still did it. Imagine how your mind would be with that?  
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another thing people did not know is that michael jordan could really jump and he wore a knee brace bam more mj revelations take that to the bank brohans 

 
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TobiasFunke said:
I kinda hope the Cavs lose tonight just for the spectacle of the all the Baylesses coming out from under their rocks.

"I knew that guy didn't have the killer instinct against elite competition!  Those three straight victories over a 73 win team to close out the Finals last year where he posted 41/16/7, 41/8/11 and 27/11/11 were just a fluke!"
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I hate to be that guy but I hope everyone realizes how corrupt and fix the NBA really is. Has been for yrs well before Stern. The Doneghey thing was only the tip of the iceberg. GS never should've been in the finals. Green should've been suspended for most if not rest of the playoffs after the OKC thing. Read this article it makes a lot of sense. 

Why the NBA didn't want the 73 win Warriors as Champions

David Stern use to have his buddy Joey Crawford's crew work any NBA games he wanted to last longer. Crawford should've been banned after the Duncan debacle but Stern couldn't let his boy go and only had him come back after a year. How the NBA and Stern reacted to the Donaghy thing was troubling. It was like they wanted it swept away as fast as possible and we are hiding something to it. ESPN given their partnership with NBA were really careful how they worded the reports on this subject to not accuse the NBA of rigging either. I actually live very close to where Tim lived and family and friends were even saying that Tim was just a scape goat. He use to tell them all the time well before this how games were fixed and would sometimes give his friends the odds to bet and win money. Joey Crawford was the biggest better of them all. Steve Javy also was a part of it. Donaghy and Javey were really good friends and Steve even admitted that he use to T up certain NBA Players like Iverson just for the sheer fact of not liking them. Truth is he was shaving points. Given how much a game can rely and be done by one call it's not hard to see. Yeah some aren't gonna believe the convicted felon and see it as an attempt to get out of it but it really isn't hard to believe Donaghey. The media wants you to think he's crazy especially those with big time partnerships in the NBA like ESPN. 

Could Donaghey be the Tip of the Iceberg?

 
Bruce Dickinson said:
Are you saying Michael Jordan had some sort of heightened level of competitiveness compared to the average person?  That's quite the revelation.
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I'm saying compared to todays players he was super competitive. I mean he punched his teammate in Practice The last guy people have said was as competitive and had that IT factor was Bryant. I do think Peirce, Garnett had it too. Most of the guys who came in when MJ was still around and played and are either retired or going too. Unfortunately today's athlete is coddled and babied and acts entitled. 

 
DJackson10 said:
I hate to be that guy but I hope everyone realizes how corrupt and fix the NBA really is. Has been for yrs well before Stern. The Doneghey thing was only the tip of the iceberg. GS never should've been in the finals. Green should've been suspended for most if not rest of the playoffs after the OKC thing. Read this article it makes a lot of sense. 

Why the NBA didn't want the 73 win Warriors as Champions

David Stern use to have his buddy Joey Crawford's crew work any NBA games he wanted to last longer. Crawford should've been banned after the Duncan debacle but Stern couldn't let his boy go and only had him come back after a year. How the NBA and Stern reacted to the Donaghy thing was troubling. It was like they wanted it swept away as fast as possible and we are hiding something to it. ESPN given their partnership with NBA were really careful how they worded the reports on this subject to not accuse the NBA of rigging either. I actually live very close to where Tim lived and family and friends were even saying that Tim was just a scape goat. He use to tell them all the time well before this how games were fixed and would sometimes give his friends the odds to bet and win money. Joey Crawford was the biggest better of them all. Steve Javy also was a part of it. Donaghy and Javey were really good friends and Steve even admitted that he use to T up certain NBA Players like Iverson just for the sheer fact of not liking them. Truth is he was shaving points. Given how much a game can rely and be done by one call it's not hard to see. Yeah some aren't gonna believe the convicted felon and see it as an attempt to get out of it but it really isn't hard to believe Donaghey. The media wants you to think he's crazy especially those with big time partnerships in the NBA like ESPN. 

Could Donaghey be the Tip of the Iceberg?
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The least believable part of this is where you said you hate to be that guy.

 
TobiasFunke said:
I kinda hope the Cavs lose tonight just for the spectacle of the all the Baylesses coming out from under their rocks.

"I knew that guy didn't have the killer instinct against elite competition!  Those three straight victories over a 73 win team to close out the Finals last year where he posted 41/16/7, 41/8/11 and 27/11/11 were just a fluke!"
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Imagine what LBJ's stat lines would have looked like if the Finals was best-of-21 and GSW blew a 10-1 lead as CLE peeled off ten in a row to win the title.

 
DJackson10 said:
That's a rumor he was suspended though. No one ever made a concrete argument over it. I put in his first retirement and him breaking his leg. It was essentially 6 yrs he missed. Either way the point still stands there that arguing getting X Stats at X age faster then MJ at X Age is really stupid and pointless. 
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So when it's all said and done and Bron dominates all the stats that he isn't already dominating, you'll be the guy wanting to factor in 5 years of MJ stats?  

 
Bruce Dickinson said:
Imagine what LBJ's stat lines would have looked like if the Finals was best-of-21 and GSW blew a 10-1 lead as CLE peeled off ten in a row to win the title.
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:lmao:  Always entertaining stuff from a miserable Kansas fan who has suffered through more than a decade of choking.  The funniest part was that you actually believed they were good this year.  

 
tjnc09 said:
:lmao:  Always entertaining stuff from a miserable Kansas fan who has suffered through more than a decade of choking.  The funniest part was that you actually believed they were good this year.  
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It was a joke, Captain Basalt. 

Nice measured, proportional response.

 
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DJackson10 said:
I'm saying compared to todays players he was super competitive. I mean he punched his teammate in Practice The last guy people have said was as competitive and had that IT factor was Bryant. I do think Peirce, Garnett had it too. Most of the guys who came in when MJ was still around and played and are either retired or going too. Unfortunately today's athlete is coddled and babied and acts entitled. 
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Who would you say are the top 25 IT guys from the past 25 years?  In order.

 
SWC said:
another thing people did not know is that michael jordan could really jump and he wore a knee brace bam more mj revelations take that to the bank brohans 
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I also think he shaved his head at some point.  I'm not sure, maybe he was just bald.

 
guys i think we should be nice to djackin10 because the last guy that typed that much was none other than the notorious unibomber in disguise so hey all i am sayin is ixnay on the being mean to thatguyhay if you catch my drift take that to the psa from swcer bank bromigos 

 
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tjnc09 said:
Bruce Dickinson said:
It was a joke, Captain Basalt. 

Nice measured, proportional response.
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My bad.  By all means, keep regurgitating the same joke.  The first 1000 times certainly hasn't been enough.
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for whatever reason i have it stuck in my head that tjnc stands for toe jam n cornflakes so whenever you get mad about something i always think ole toe jam is worked up again hey man i just had to come clean sorry toe jam take that to the i say sorry when i should bank bromigo 

 
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tjnc09 said:
My bad.  By all means, keep regurgitating the same joke.  The first 1000 times certainly hasn't been enough.
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You have time confused with someone else.

I thought Kansas would win the Big XII.  When Azubuike got hurt, I thought their postseason ceiling was regional finals.  I was hopeful for more, but those were my expectations.  Whatever person you were describing in that screed wasn't me.

Also, this is the first time I've done a joke about a best-of-21 Finals.  I doubt neither 2016 GSW nor 2016 CLE would get up 10-1 or blow a 10-1 lead under those circumstances, so that was just being silly.

 
DJackson10 said:
I hate to be that guy but I hope everyone realizes how corrupt and fix the NBA really is. Has been for yrs well before Stern. The Doneghey thing was only the tip of the iceberg. GS never should've been in the finals. Green should've been suspended for most if not rest of the playoffs after the OKC thing. Read this article it makes a lot of sense. 

Why the NBA didn't want the 73 win Warriors as Champions

David Stern use to have his buddy Joey Crawford's crew work any NBA games he wanted to last longer. Crawford should've been banned after the Duncan debacle but Stern couldn't let his boy go and only had him come back after a year. How the NBA and Stern reacted to the Donaghy thing was troubling. It was like they wanted it swept away as fast as possible and we are hiding something to it. ESPN given their partnership with NBA were really careful how they worded the reports on this subject to not accuse the NBA of rigging either. I actually live very close to where Tim lived and family and friends were even saying that Tim was just a scape goat. He use to tell them all the time well before this how games were fixed and would sometimes give his friends the odds to bet and win money. Joey Crawford was the biggest better of them all. Steve Javy also was a part of it. Donaghy and Javey were really good friends and Steve even admitted that he use to T up certain NBA Players like Iverson just for the sheer fact of not liking them. Truth is he was shaving points. Given how much a game can rely and be done by one call it's not hard to see. Yeah some aren't gonna believe the convicted felon and see it as an attempt to get out of it but it really isn't hard to believe Donaghey. The media wants you to think he's crazy especially those with big time partnerships in the NBA like ESPN. 

Could Donaghey be the Tip of the Iceberg?
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:lmao:

 
Bucks GM John Hammond moves to Orlando to take his shot at that disaster area.  Hammond certainly had his critics during his decade in Milwaukee, mostly around his free agent signings but some of that was because the team wasn't an attractive destination.  The Bucks have had successes with the draft and player development.

Justin Zanik was brought in last year as Hammond's likely successor.  He previously worked in the Jazz organization.

 
The new Magic president (not the guy with the orb) worked with Hammond in Milwaukee before going to Toronto.

Griffin would be a very strange pickup for a franchise like this.

 
DJackson10 said:
I was going back before that but even now I still don't think he has it. He's got other guys around him now. He IMHO never seemed like the guy who would say when the teams down I'll put the team on my back and take us through a tough stretch. With him it was always someone else fault why things didn't go his or the team way. Look I've never denied the guys talent. I just can't put him ahead of Wilt or MJ for reasons I believed made them way different and better then everyone else. I honestly question Lebron's motivation and if he never had the opportunity to leave Cleveland like he was able to would he have just thrown in the towel and stop trying? I never got that with Kobe with the bad Lakers he had his last few yrs in the league. Always seemed t want to go out and compete still. LeBron comes off as the type of player if he's on a losing team enough he'd pack it in. 
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How in the #### do you reconcile having MJ as the GOAT because of his competitiveness and winning and then have Wilt as your number 2?

And never got that with Kobe?  Dude was demanding a trade and the only reason it wouldn't happen is because he didn't want the team trading for him to give up anyreal assets.

 
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