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Is your buddy McCarthy?  That was pretty much what he said already today.
Cute. Without getting too specific, which would get his ### chewed out, he works within the injured players. If you don't want my information that's fine. You've seemed to have a chip on your shoulder about me so I doubt you really value what I have to say or where I get my information from anyways. 

 
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Cute. Without getting too specific, which would get his ### chewed out, he works within the injured players. If you don't want my information that's fine. You've seemed to have a chip on your shoulder about me so I doubt you really value what I have to say or where I get my information from anyways. 
Just busting your balls...I had seriously just read McCarthy's comments on twitter when I read your post and it was about the same as what he said.

 
How about 2 fractured ribs 

will that keep him out?
Again, depends on the extent of the fractures. I don't have details on that, and I likely won't get any details. 

I plan on reaching out to my buddy later this week after he has some potential time with him. I really don't see much changing until Saturday, but I'll be able to see how he's progressing with pain at least. It'll be interesting to hear details on how much pain he's in, which ribs, etc. 

Taking a shot based on information that we have currently, this is likely the best case scenario for Jordy. I wouldn't expect him to play this weekend, but it all depends how quickly he starts to feel better. It's 100% a pain thing at this point. He could make his fractures worse, but that's not going to change for a few months to be honest... If he plays he's got some cojones. This is one of those scenarios where Jordy of 2010 would probably suit up but Jordy of 2017 is a little older and things linger a little longer. 

 
Did anyone see the Rappaport report that John Dorsey from KC would be the likely successor to TT? Dorsey did not sign his extension yet which ends this year. Also, Dorsey's assistant turned down an offer to interview in SF because he wants to stay in KC.

Dorsey emerges as Packers GM candidate
I did read this and that is very interesting. Dorsey has proven to be pretty darn solid. Would love to have him back. It makes the Wolf scenarios all the more interesting as well. Wolf is highly regarded, but he might need a bit more experience before he sits in the GM chair.

Of course, all of this is speculation until we know what Thompson wants to do. There is no way they move on until Thompson is ready to step aside; he certainly isn't going to be fired.. 

 
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I did read this and that is very interesting. Dorsey has proven to be pretty darn solid. Would love to have him back. It makes the Wolf scenarios all the more interesting as well. Wolf is highly regarded, but he might need a bit more experience before he sits in the GM chair.

Of course, all of this is speculation until we know what Thompson wants to do. There is no way they move on until Thompson is ready to step aside; he certainly isn't going to be fired.. 
I would agree with this completely. 

I am curious if executives like Thompson really strive to "go out on top" like so many athletes do. I would imagine so. Maybe that would light a fire under him to sign some key FAs  ;)

 
I'm gonna guess now Jordy will play Sunday unless he can't catch his breath due to the injury. He will wear a flack jacket to protect him as much as possible. I see Jordy as a tough type player and I think at minimum he gives a go Sunday. Maybe they use him more as a possession type receiver if that's the case. Big game and he's a big time player, he won't miss this game if humanly possible. 

 
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I'm gonna guess now Jordy will play Sunday unless he can't catch his breath due to the injury. He will wear a flack jacket to protect him as much as possible. I see Jordy as a tough type player and I think at minimum he gives a go Sunday. Maybe they use him more as a possession type receiver if that's the case. Big game and he's a big time player, he won't miss this game if humanly possible. 
You're more optimistic than I am. I have a feeling deep down that agrees with you but I am getting some major concerns about the spleen... If that is at all enlarged he may not be clear to play at all, because if enlarged he could rupture it and be in a life threatening situation. And you don't take a hit like that and come away with zero injury to the spleen; the spleen is actually relatively superficial and right behind the ribs he fractured. If the swelling at the spleen comes down he would be cleared to practice and it would be strictly a pain tolerance issue. Which in that case I do agree that Jordy would play. 

 
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I did read this and that is very interesting. Dorsey has proven to be pretty darn solid. Would love to have him back. It makes the Wolf scenarios all the more interesting as well. Wolf is highly regarded, but he might need a bit more experience before he sits in the GM chair.

Of course, all of this is speculation until we know what Thompson wants to do. There is no way they move on until Thompson is ready to step aside; he certainly isn't going to be fired.. 
Its interesting they blocked Elliot Wolf from interviewing last year, but allowed him to interview this year. It would be foolish to read anything of substance into that, but as armchair joe-six-pack fans that's what we do - we speculate wildly based on baseless assumptions. Therefore, I've decided their succession plan likely does not include Wolf. Dorsey would be great. He, Schneider, and McKenzie are all guys with ties to Green Bay who have had actual NFL executive success. Somewhat surprisingly to me, Schneider is only 45 and was born/raised in DePere.

 
Its interesting they blocked Elliot Wolf from interviewing last year, but allowed him to interview this year. It would be foolish to read anything of substance into that, but as armchair joe-six-pack fans that's what we do - we speculate wildly based on baseless assumptions. Therefore, I've decided their succession plan likely does not include Wolf. Dorsey would be great. He, Schneider, and McKenzie are all guys with ties to Green Bay who have had actual NFL executive success. Somewhat surprisingly to me, Schneider is only 45 and was born/raised in DePere.
IMO that has more to do with keeping a budding executive from going to a division rival than anything else

I agree, Dorsey would be excellent. Kind of know what you get in that scenario vs handing the keys to a legacy with little experience 


On a side note, how ironic it is we are playing the "will he or won't he" game with Thompson now... Entirely fan-fueled in this case, but still kind of worth a chuckle

 
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Its interesting they blocked Elliot Wolf from interviewing last year, but allowed him to interview this year. It would be foolish to read anything of substance into that, but as armchair joe-six-pack fans that's what we do - we speculate wildly based on baseless assumptions. Therefore, I've decided their succession plan likely does not include Wolf. Dorsey would be great. He, Schneider, and McKenzie are all guys with ties to Green Bay who have had actual NFL executive success. Somewhat surprisingly to me, Schneider is only 45 and was born/raised in DePere.
It's possible Wolf didn't want to go do Detroit. I'm 95% sure it was from Andrew Brandt, but I did read on Twitter last week that oftentimes the team declines the interview on behalf of the candidate to save a little face.

 
SF was actually 14th against the pass (It helps when each QB  in your division is playing awful), Cleveland 21. 

They're 8th against the run, which is why I like this improved Packers team vs Dallas this weekend

GB is ranked 21st in total yards, however Kansas City is ranked 24 and when I think KC I definitely don't think great offense... I think stout defense. Yet this doesn't stop people from stating KC as a favorite for the superbowl. 

Not very concerned about this
Well they were ranked #1 against the run when they played Dallas earlier this year and the Cowboy gained over 190 on the ground.  The run defense ranking is a complete misnomer because they are so easy to pass on.  

 
Well they were ranked #1 against the run when they played Dallas earlier this year and the Cowboy gained over 190 on the ground.  The run defense ranking is a complete misnomer because they are so easy to pass on.  
From that logic one could also say that GB's passing offense (7) is not really as good as they are because their run offense (20) is so abysmal. See the flaw in that logic? 

One could also say that GB's passing defense is so bad because they are ranked 4th points per game this season, meaning teams have to pass on them in order to compete


2014-15 playoffs (Dallas was 2nd in the league in rushing that year) GB gave up 5.0 yards per carry to Demarco Murray and still beat Dallas. My point, you can't just run the ball to beat the Packers consistently

 
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The Packers run defense has been variable this year.  Much of that variability has centered around injuries to Ryan, Thomas, Matthews, and Perry. Even when porous as averaged over a full game or two the Packers have generated enough tackles for loss, and tackles for no or minimal gain so as to create opportunities for changes of possession.  they do, not infrequently, get teams behind schedule.  Capitalizing on that is sporadic thanks to the pass defense and injuries to D.B.'s.

Me, I worry about not just the right side of the pass defense.  That is an injury issue.  I also worry about T.E.'s down the middle.  That is more of a longstanding systemic issue only now being partially addressed by Thomas and Martinez.  Whitten may be aging, and he may be better at drag routes and quick outs, but he can still get down the middle some.

I want to see the Packers stack some middle routes of their own with Cook moving on up the field and Montgomery lower in the same alley, having come out of the backfield.  I like Rodgers being able to read the depth of coverage and making the right choice.

 
Its interesting they blocked Elliot Wolf from interviewing last year, but allowed him to interview this year. It would be foolish to read anything of substance into that, but as armchair joe-six-pack fans that's what we do - we speculate wildly based on baseless assumptions. Therefore, I've decided their succession plan likely does not include Wolf. Dorsey would be great. He, Schneider, and McKenzie are all guys with ties to Green Bay who have had actual NFL executive success. Somewhat surprisingly to me, Schneider is only 45 and was born/raised in DePere.
Also interesting that all the guys you mentioned, Schneider, McKenzie, and Dorsey have their teams in the playoffs. Amazing to think they all came out the Green Bay front office.

 
IMO that has more to do with keeping a budding executive from going to a division rival than anything else

I agree, Dorsey would be excellent. Kind of know what you get in that scenario vs handing the keys to a legacy with little experience 


On a side note, how ironic it is we are playing the "will he or won't he" game with Thompson now... Entirely fan-fueled in this case, but still kind of worth a chuckle
Agreed on the division rival angle. I don't blame Thompson a bit for that. 

 
Damn it Geronimo...not going to affect his a availability this year.  Just a stupid distraction.  Lay off the weed during by the season young man.

 
Damn it Geronimo...not going to affect his a availability this year.  Just a stupid distraction.  Lay off the weed during by the season young man.
happened September 4... not sure he was more than a roster after thought at that time. I honestly don't know where he was in regard to the roster at that time... I think we were still hoping for Abby to pan out

 
More on John Dorsey

McGinn: Dorsey ideal option as next Packers GM

Seems more speculation but very intriguing. Happy with TT but I think Dorsey would be a great successor to keep things going on the winning track. Interesting thoughts on Wolf as well. I can see where he might want to explore other possibilities with other franchises.

Interesting comments on Mark Murphy as well. Kinda confirms my gut feeling on him. Never thought of him as much of a Packer leader but more of a waterboy for the league. Doesn't really give me a great feeling when it comes to that next hire.

 
More on John Dorsey

McGinn: Dorsey ideal option as next Packers GM

Seems more speculation but very intriguing. Happy with TT but I think Dorsey would be a great successor to keep things going on the winning track. Interesting thoughts on Wolf as well. I can see where he might want to explore other possibilities with other franchises.

Interesting comments on Mark Murphy as well. Kinda confirms my gut feeling on him. Never thought of him as much of a Packer leader but more of a waterboy for the league. Doesn't really give me a great feeling when it comes to that next hire.
Murphy sounds like such a dip####.

 
More on John Dorsey

McGinn: Dorsey ideal option as next Packers GM

Seems more speculation but very intriguing. Happy with TT but I think Dorsey would be a great successor to keep things going on the winning track. Interesting thoughts on Wolf as well. I can see where he might want to explore other possibilities with other franchises.

Interesting comments on Mark Murphy as well. Kinda confirms my gut feeling on him. Never thought of him as much of a Packer leader but more of a waterboy for the league. Doesn't really give me a great feeling when it comes to that next hire.
Murphy is damn good at what he is doing though.  Leave the football guys run the football side.  He expands the business.  He and Harlan before him found ways to make revenue when no football is being played.  Something that needed to be done in that market.

 
Murphy is damn good at what he is doing though.  Leave the football guys run the football side.  He expands the business.  He and Harlan before him found ways to make revenue when no football is being played.  Something that needed to be done in that market.
That's great and all but what about when it comes time to hire that next GM? Perhaps the most important decision he'll have to make. He gets that wrong, the team goes in to a losing period of several years, it'll be much harder to make additional revenue no matter how many restaurants, hotels or sled hills he builds.

 
That's great and all but what about when it comes time to hire that next GM? Perhaps the most important decision he'll have to make. He gets that wrong, the team goes in to a losing period of several years, it'll be much harder to make additional revenue no matter how many restaurants, hotels or sled hills he builds.
Well...he hasn't had to do that yet.  Considering how he has handled everything else in his job, why should I be worried?

 
Holy crap what a game...said a lot of this in the game thread too but just some clutch plays.

Overall...the D started out playing pretty well.  Losing Burnett sucked and it showed where Dom had to balance when to blitz vs. when to play coverage.  People will complain about the secondary and say the D sucked.  I think they were severely behind the 8 ball with personnel.  Seemed to play to keep everything (other than the long ball to Dez) in front of them and make tackles.  Make teams drive the whole field and not give up big chunk plays.  They still gave up some 20 yarders...but not a whole lot bigger than that on the day.  Secondary wasn't great, but tackled pretty well and there really wasn't much of a pass rush at all.  I won't fault them much.  Brice made some good plays (got to hold on to that INT though...Hyde bailed him out on that drive).  My criticism will be in a few mental errors with some coverage mix ups that still happen.  People playing one type of zone coverage and thinking they had help in another spot leaving someone wide open.  To pull a McCarthy...got to get that cleaned up.

Offensively...looked great early...I think they brought enough pressure that wasn't picked up right and we just missed on a few passes that could have changed some things.  And Rodgers throwing that one too far inside that got picked off.  He throws that to the outside and its possibly 6.  But hard to really criticize him with all the other great plays made especially that draw it up in the dirt final play and throw to Cook.  And what a difference Cook was today.  Stepped up big time with Jordy out.

Said this in the game thread too...so many were so down with Crosby during his slump a few years ago(and I questioned him too) ...since the he has been absolutely clutch all the time and not much more clutch that he was yesterday.  Big time kicks.

Coaching...I will give it a thumbs up.  Went in outmanned on the road in the playoffs and got a win.  They saw some things they knew they could exploit and did so.  Hyde and Gunter sniffing out that screen was great of them but something they saw in film and week 6 so there was probably coaching there too.

Need to get Rollins and Burnett back next week...hoping Bulaga  Adams and Bahktiari are good to go...and then really hope something good happens with Jordy.  Not overly optimistic on that with the talk that he is just trying to breath normal.

 
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Watch the replay of the game winning kick. There is a little Packer fan in the front row just inside the right upright. This little kid is surrounded by Cowboy fans. No Packers fans in sight. Reaction is awesome. I want to know more about this kid.

 
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My thoughts overall.

I'm getting really tired of all the criticism that Dom Capers receives. This defense was shredded by injury coming in, and got no help with the loss of Burnett. And when they had to get a stop, they got a stop to limit Dallas to field goal to tie it late. Josh Hawkins and Brice were in the secondary. Let that sink in.

Micah Hyde played an outstanding game. He's a glue guy. Gunter gave up plays, but gotta love that he just flat out competes. The secondary needs some more talent and experience for sure, but I like watching guys like Hyde and Gunter play with savvy and desire.

Perry and Matthews made a play when it counted. Clearly neither is 100%, but they got it done in the clutch.

Cook earned himself a new deal in Green Bay. He's proving to be the difference for this offense.

We witnessed why Michael can't seem to stick on a team despite his talent. Big, costly mistake in a big game. 

Two touchdowns and a 4.3 average on the ground for Montgomery? I'll take that, he looks like a running back.

Crosby is a stud. 

Let's see if they can get some guys back on the field and get a win in Atlanta.

 
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My thoughts overall.

I'm getting really tired of all the criticism that Dom Capers receives. This defense was shredded by injury coming in, and got no help with the loss of Burnett. And when they had to get a stop, they got a stop to limit Dallas to field goal to tie it late. Josh Hawkins and Brice were in the secondary. Let that sink in.

Micah Hyde played an outstanding game. He's a glue guy. Gunter gave up plays, but gotta love that he just flat out competes. The secondary needs some more talent and experience for sure, but I like watching guys like Hyde and Gunter play with savvy and desire.

Perry and Matthews made a play when it counted. Clearly neither is 100%, but they got it done in the clutch.

Cook earned himself a new deal in Green Bay. He's proving to be the difference for this offense.

We witnessed why Michael can't seem to stick on a team despite his talent. Big, costly mistake in a big game. 

Two touchdowns and a 4.3 average on the ground for Montgomery? I'll take that, he looks like a running back.

Crosby is a stud. 

Let's see if they can get some guys back on the field and get a win in Atlanta.
Capers is a magician - putting a defense out there with band-aids and string holding it together. For me the big difference last night was coaching. Both teams made mistakes, but Dallas made multiple dumb shoot-yourself-in-the-foot type mistakes that come from being unprepared. Perhaps also down to youth and inexperience in a big playoff game, but it seemed to me they weren't at the level of preparation the game needed.

 
Yeah...was hoping to see Michael run some...but his error just gave them even more momentum there.  Awful mistake.

Agree in Cook...is it a choice between paying him and paying Lacy...pay Cook.

Also agree on Capers..they had to change a lot with Burnett out...and Brice made some ice plays including a big hit in Beasley I think.  Played a soft keep it in front of them D and had to hope someone made a play....as Perry and Matthews did.  And I laugh when Perry strokes the cast like Dr Evil petting Mr Bigglesworth

 
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My thoughts overall.

I'm getting really tired of all the criticism that Dom Capers receives. This defense was shredded by injury coming in, and got no help with the loss of Burnett. And when they had to get a stop, they got a stop to limit Dallas to field goal to tie it late. Josh Hawkins and Brice were in the secondary. Let that sink in.

Micah Hyde played an outstanding game. He's a glue guy. Gunter gave up plays, but gotta love that he just flat out competes. The secondary needs some more talent and experience for sure, but I like watching guys like Hyde and Gunter play with savvy and desire.

Perry and Matthews made a play when it counted. Clearly neither is 100%, but they got it done in the clutch.

Cook earned himself a new deal in Green Bay. He's proving to be the difference for this offense.

We witnessed why Michael can't seem to stick on a team despite his talent. Big, costly mistake in a big game. 

Two touchdowns and a 4.3 average on the ground for Montgomery? I'll take that, he looks like a running back.

Crosby is a stud. 

Let's see if they can get some guys back on the field and get a win in Atlanta.
1. I will gladly eat crow on Capers. You're right, he is holding this team together with band-aids. He made some key adjustments to play with no-namers to keep the game within reach for the offense

2. agree

3. Perry is playing amazing lately. What I thought was a TT miss is coming up big lately. He may have earned a new contract as well. 

4. To quote Teddy KGB... "pay him... pay that man his money.' 

5. CMike... smh... I was a fan of brining him back for cheap but you can't make mistakes like that

6. Do we go with Ty next year at RB??? He looks like a RB. He looks great as a RB. I am just uneasy about it. I'd like to still bring Lacy back on an incentive deal and trot out Mongomery/Lacy as a duo. Depends what Lacy wants... 

7. I was surprised with people wanted to give up on Crosby like 3-4 years ago. I was a HUGE fan from day 1... he's got such a big leg just needed to get that ice in his veins a little more. 

 
Watch the replay of the game winning kick. There is a little Packer fan in the front row just inside the right upright. This little kid is surrounded by Cowboy fans. No Packers fans in sight. Reaction is awesome. I want to know more about this kid.
Who was the coach that was crying? I missed that earlier

 
Watch the replay of the game winning kick. There is a little Packer fan in the front row just inside the right upright. This little kid is surrounded by Cowboy fans. No Packers fans in sight. Reaction is awesome. I want to know more about this kid.
Who was the coach that was crying? I missed that earlier
Jordy looks just fine moving around... granted not taking hits or running but for a guy who reportedly was "working on just breathing" he seemed to be okay. For those who think he's very questionable this week... I think he plays. 

 
with Rodgers? Looks like Van Pelt to me... maybe a little greyer and bearded.

Was the same coach next to him after he threw his INT. I'm assuming that would be Van Pelt
Haven't paid attention and didn't realize he got in McCarthy's diet plan.  But chunky

 
Yeah...was hoping to see Michael run some...but his error just gave them even more momentum there.  Awful mistake.

Agree in Cook...is it a choice between paying him and paying Lacy...pay Cook.

Also agree on Capers..they had to change a lot with Burnett out...and Brice made some ice plays including a big hit in Beasley I think.  Played a soft keep it in front of them D and had to hope someone made a play....as Perry and Matthews did.  And I laugh when Perry strokes the cast like Dr Evil petting Mr Bigglesworth
I did not laugh.  He should get his head instantly to what he should be doing next.  Save the celebrating for after the game.  That tendency, to self glorify and demonstrate is the same mind set that cost the Cowboys.  They were celebrating, then late substituting, and the next thing you know the announcers are doing a post mortem centering on Rodgers ability to catch a team out on a mental error and to make them pay.   I'm old school on this, but for good reason.

 
Yea, I hope so too. But my first thought is, no chance at all.

A finely tuned athlete like Nelson, doesn't spend a night in the hospital with "just" a couple of broken ribs. There's more there that we aren't being told.
I suspect a bruised spleen or kidney.  The ribs wont heal in two weeks, nor the cartilage which was also likely traumatized, but those are primarily pain management unless completely broken through, which is rare, cracked and torn is more likely.  The organs can heal in that time sufficient to paly safely, depending on the injury.

 
Yea, I hope so too. But my first thought is, no chance at all.

A finely tuned athlete like Nelson, doesn't spend a night in the hospital with "just" a couple of broken ribs. There's more there that we aren't being told.
I'm pretty sure he has an enlarged spleen. At least that's what I'm hearing. When the swelling goes down, he can play. Until then, no go.

 
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