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Karl Joseph - DB - Raiders

Raiders signed No. 14 overall pick S Karl Joseph to a four-year contract.

As with all first-round picks, Joseph's deal includes a fifth-year club option. A big-hitting missile in run defense who has the range to make plays deep, Joseph is a complete safety prospect who should make an immediate impact. With Reggie Nelson and Sean Smith joining in free agency, Oakland should sport a much-improved secondary this season.

 
Stompin' Tom Connors said:
The stars are aligning...the stars that will circle the heads of WRs and downfield runners when Joseph lays wood on them, that is. 

Yes, I went there, even in today's world of heightened concussion protocol and degenerative brain disorders from football.
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I've watched every game Karl has played at WVU. He hits with his shoulder, he hits hard, and has always reminded me of Lott. This draft pick was his destiny.

 
Cold Dead Hands said:
I've watched every game Karl has played at WVU. He hits with his shoulder, he hits hard, and has always reminded me of Lott. This draft pick was his destiny.
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He was supposed to be Polomalu's replacement.  Glad for the Raiders for this pick.  Was wishing beyond dreams that he fell to the Steelers' pick.

 
So with a move to Vegas looking like an actual possibility at this point who can tell me about Nevada state income taxes?  Player favorable?  On top of a new stadium and a franchise QB, favorable tax implications are a huge selling point for free agents (or resigning players).

 
There is NO state income tax in Nevada, so extremely favorable from that pov.

Even with all this talk, my gut tells me that the owners will still not let this move happen if it comes down to it. Too many axes to grind between the other owners and Al's ghost.

 
They'll have a bigger axe to grind if Mark Davis moves into one of their back yards.

The Vegas stigma is over, Oakland Colosseum is a blight on the face of the league and Mark Davis is not Al Davis.

I think the NFL would love to capture another market (Vegas) rather than dilute a market (Los Angeles) or remain status quo in Oakland.   

 
Chaka said:
They'll have a bigger axe to grind if Mark Davis moves into one of their back yards.

The Vegas stigma is over, Oakland Colosseum is a blight on the face of the league and Mark Davis is not Al Davis.

I think the NFL would love to capture another market (Vegas) rather than dilute a market (Los Angeles) or remain status quo in Oakland.   
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I would love to believe this is true. Maybe I'm like a beaten dog expecting to get kicked again...

 
@clarencehilljr 
Jerry Jones is in favor of the idea of an NFL team in Las Vegas. He says the entertainment aspect outweighs gambling concerns

@RapSheet 
Ian Rapoport Retweeted Clarence Hill
Considering how influential Jerry Jones was on the move to LA, this is pretty big

 
Think instead of the home opener (which always comes with optimism) we are gonna go see KC in Oaktown... we think the optimism will be just as good and this will be a division deciding game!  We always do the home opener but this just seems right. 

 
joey said:
another good story is the signing of UDFA Greg Townsend Jr (yes, THAT Greg Townsend).

No idea if he has any chance of making the team but I like the idea of the Raiders giving "one of their own" a shot to make it in the bigs.

Go get 'em, Junior!
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http://espn.go.com/blog/oakland-raiders/post/_/id/14628/oakland-raiders-sign-greg-townsend-jr-son-of-franchise-all-time-sacks-leader

BAM! Joey, keep talking up the good stuff -- a lot of what you have asked for (Nelson, Townsend Jr.) has come to fruition!

 
In terms of Vegas there are a few things to remember.

First, the 'new money guys' vs the 'old guard'. It really is the old owners who have reluctance to go to Vegas where as the new guys sort of see it as a money maker.

Second, more importantly, is that the power players in the NFL owners, as the L.A. location process shows, has shifted to those with money. So, beyond making money, what are the primary concerns of owners? Guarding their markets. Where are the potential landing spots that we know of for the Raiders? SA, LA, SD  and LV. Kroenke has a strong interest in keeping the Raiders out of his market. That means he is motivated to get them to a market out of LA that they are happy with and Vegas looks like that market. He will likely be an ally. The same can be said of Jones and McNair (two more big money power players) in keeping them out of SA. SD is interesting but if the Chargers can't get a deal done there, how are the Raiders going to? Plus, I think it might be a little too close for Kroenke. So- essentially, for no other reason other than self interest in keeping them out of their 'territory'- we should have three influential, big money power players as allies.

I really think that the big thing to make this go over is to build an attraction. Some sort of Raider museum and NFL experience. Make it part of the Vegas strip and a sort of ambassador for both the Raiders and the NFL at large with a reach well beyond games. If you do that as part of the stadium build- I seriously doubt that the owners would oppose it. Their eyes would get large with how this would be such a good thing for the league and be one board and plus it would be a great way to build the Raider brand as well.

 
krsone21 said:
Team in Las Vegas interests Jerry Jones, who calls city a 'real crown jewel'

Todd Archer

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/15510451/cowboys-owner-jerry-jones-interested-idea-team-moving-las-vegas
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Yea, I don't think there is anyway that Jones, Kroenke and McNair don't back this unless we totally mess it up with incompetence. Those are three very influential and powerful owners to have on your side.

I also heard Khan was publically receptive or on board with it as well.

 
I am excited as I watch Deandre Washington.  I think he will push for a lot of playing time and adds playmaking ability.  He has great footwork, change of direction, good burst, blocks well, and catches with his hands mostly (although I did see him drop one pass).

Vs TCU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0x0Mv6DFME

1:07: he stops, jukes, accerates, and avoids several tacklers

1:29: Breaks a tackle from a DT and then shows good acceleration as he explodes up center for TD

2:56: shows good change of direction and footwork

3:54: stutter step, change of direction, sees lane and explodes for TD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_hrFnPK7DE

1:03: Breaks a tackle, and falls forward for extra yards

1:11 Cuts/ changes direction well

2:52: breaks a leg tackle, dukes and breaks a second tackle, keeps balance and gets another four yards, lowers shoulder and falls forward

Don't have time to comment as much on this game vs WV, but he is used in passing game more.  I like his route running and the best play is the last one, at 7:11--he finds open spot, makes catch with hands and then explodes--and for a little guy what I love is the nose for the EZ and how he lowers shoulders and shoves and then rolls over his man to get ball across.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkdXfJ-ANkY

 
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az_prof said:
I am excited as I watch Deandre Washington.  I think he will push for a lot of playing time and adds playmaking ability.  He has great footwork, change of direction, good burst, blocks well, and catches with his hands mostly (although I did see him drop one pass).

Vs TCU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0x0Mv6DFME

1:07: he stops, jukes, accerates, and avoids several tacklers

1:29: Breaks a tackle from a DT and then shows good acceleration as he explodes up center for TD

2:56: shows good change of direction and footwork

3:54: stutter step, change of direction, sees lane and explodes for TD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_hrFnPK7DE

1:03: Breaks a tackle, and falls forward for extra yards

1:11 Cuts/ changes direction well

2:52: breaks a leg tackle, dukes and breaks a second tackle, keeps balance and gets another four yards, lowers shoulder and falls forward
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I traded my next 2017 2nd rounder for this years 2.14 to take him. I have a pretty decent team so it shouldn't be anything earlier than a mid round pick (hopefully late round!) but I like his potential and I like what we have heard of him coming out of the GM/Coaches. I am fully aware it could be GM/Coach speak and I could very well be doing a homer trade but when I got countered for it- I felt it was close enough to go ahead and do it to take him.

 
Chadstroma said:
I traded my next 2017 2nd rounder for this years 2.14 to take him. I have a pretty decent team so it shouldn't be anything earlier than a mid round pick (hopefully late round!) but I like his potential and I like what we have heard of him coming out of the GM/Coaches. I am fully aware it could be GM/Coach speak and I could very well be doing a homer trade but when I got countered for it- I felt it was close enough to go ahead and do it to take him.
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I too traded my 2017 2nd rounder, but for the 2016 3.06 to select Washington.    I didn't have a 3, and was well aware of the fact he wouldn't make it to my 4.04 selection.  And my feelings were the same.  Could be a homer pick, or could be a pick that I look back to in a few years with a massive smile!  

 
kaso said:
I too traded my 2017 2nd rounder, but for the 2016 3.06 to select Washington.    I didn't have a 3, and was well aware of the fact he wouldn't make it to my 4.04 selection.  And my feelings were the same.  Could be a homer pick, or could be a pick that I look back to in a few years with a massive smile!  
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Yea, being a potential homer pick though it pushes you over the edge cause your thinking is if I do it and it works out then great. If I don't and it works out, I will be kicking myself every time I watch him get the ball.... which will be a lot of kicking since we watch a lot of Raider games.  :yes:  If it doesn't work out, well, I knew it could have been a homer pick anyways. :lmao:

 
joey said:
There is NO state income tax in Nevada, so extremely favorable from that pov.

Even with all this talk, my gut tells me that the owners will still not let this move happen if it comes down to it. Too many axes to grind between the other owners and Al's ghost.
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Was not it Bob Mcnair whinging about what Al did around the time of the LA vote? Was he even an owner back then?

 
Sarlakticacid said:
Was not it Bob Mcnair whinging about what Al did around the time of the LA vote? Was he even an owner back then?
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Yes. And No.  

Eff him.

I believe 100% that having the Texas guys on board is huge.  They don't want anyone in San Antonio, Jerry and McNair getting behind the move would be massive.

If we get one or two of the old guard on board, it'll pass.  The Maras and their sniffing about gambling and such will seem more and more old fashioned.  

 
An anonymous NFL owner told Bleacher Report's Mike Freeman the percentage chance the Raiders move to Las Vegas "is now 50 percent -- and maybe as high as 75."

As recently as a few years ago, that same owner said there would have been "no effing way" the NFL would have allowed a team to go to Vegas. "Las Vegas," he said, "was considered poison. That's not the case any longer. One of the things owners see is there's a lot of money to be made there. A lot of money will ease those gambling concerns." Cowboys owner Jerry Jones has already came out and supported the move, which is very notable after Jones greatly influenced the Rams' move to L.A. He has a lot of pull among the league's owners. One caveat, however, is Jones has insisted Mark Davis relinquish control of the Raiders.

:unsure:

 
BustedKnuckles said:
An anonymous NFL owner told Bleacher Report's Mike Freeman the percentage chance the Raiders move to Las Vegas "is now 50 percent -- and maybe as high as 75."

As recently as a few years ago, that same owner said there would have been "no effing way" the NFL would have allowed a team to go to Vegas. "Las Vegas," he said, "was considered poison. That's not the case any longer. One of the things owners see is there's a lot of money to be made there. A lot of money will ease those gambling concerns." Cowboys owner Jerry Jones has already came out and supported the move, which is very notable after Jones greatly influenced the Rams' move to L.A. He has a lot of pull among the league's owners. One caveat, however, is Jones has insisted Mark Davis relinquish control of the Raiders.

:unsure:
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That sounds like he is just throwing out numbers and theories.  What has Mark Davis done that pissed off Jerry Jones to that point?  I'm not buying it.

Vegas is no longer just a gambling destination, they have been converting their image into a family destination for a long time now.  In fact I think I read somewhere that gambling is no longer the leading money maker for the hotels anymore.

There is change coming in the NFL and I think a team in Vegas and a change in the league stance on marijuana, at the very least as an alternative to opiates for chronic pain management, are going to be the hallmarks of the new order.

 
Chaka said:
That sounds like he is just throwing out numbers and theories.  What has Mark Davis done that pissed off Jerry Jones to that point?  I'm not buying it.

Vegas is no longer just a gambling destination, they have been converting their image into a family destination for a long time now.  In fact I think I read somewhere that gambling is no longer the leading money maker for the hotels anymore.

There is change coming in the NFL and I think a team in Vegas and a change in the league stance on marijuana, at the very least as an alternative to opiates for chronic pain management, are going to be the hallmarks of the new order.
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Jones doesn't think Davis has any business acumen and unable to lead one of the premier teams of the league in building it up and thus the league. He basically wants another Kroenke to come in that has money and makes big business deals to buy the Raiders and run it.

 
Chadstroma said:
Jones doesn't think Davis has any business acumen and unable to lead one of the premier teams of the league in building it up and thus the league. He basically wants another Kroenke to come in that has money and makes big business deals to buy the Raiders and run it.
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Seems like Mark has done a fine job turning around the product on the field and playing off multiple cities and owners to get legitimate options for moving the Raiders while also getting $300 mil from the league to finance a stadium.

Jones is a putz who can pound sand while he tries to acquire a few more domestic and/or drug abusers to help his middling team.

 
Chaka said:
Seems like Mark has done a fine job turning around the product on the field and playing off multiple cities and owners to get legitimate options for moving the Raiders while also getting $300 mil from the league to finance a stadium.

Jones is a putz who can pound sand while he tries to acquire a few more domestic and/or drug abusers to help his middling team.
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He's falling right in with the Tommy Boy thing that's for sure.

 
Chaka said:
Seems like Mark has done a fine job turning around the product on the field and playing off multiple cities and owners to get legitimate options for moving the Raiders while also getting $300 mil from the league to finance a stadium.

Jones is a putz who can pound sand while he tries to acquire a few more domestic and/or drug abusers to help his middling team.
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I won't disagree with most of that except what I am hearing is the expectation for Vegas is $500 million from the Raiders/NFL. $300 being from the team and $200 from NFL loan. I thought I remembered them kicking in another $100 million as a consolation prize for missing out on LA but maybe that was only for Oakland?

Regardless, what other city/state in the US right now is going to cough up $750 million for a new stadium? The list is little to none.

I think Vegas gets done.

But someone needs to tell Davis to add a Raider museum/NFL experience building off of the strip as part the stadium to be the final owner 'wow' factor to send their votes in.

I will say that it also looks like an option would be to vote it down but then not fight it if Davis moved the team anyways. That way they are on record to not being on board if things go awry but most everyone is still happy. I doubt that would happen because it sets up a weakened league moving forward in precedent.

 
Vegas would be my #2 preference behind LA. Still think there's a chance they end up sharing Inglewood with Kroenke, with the Chargers getting a SD stadium deal done and the league pressuring Kroenke to give the Raiders a competitive deal to split LA.

LA Rams / LA Raiders

What's old is new again.

 
Post-draft free agency brought in a couple other quality players beyond our draft plunder. I don't know how James Cowser and Denver Kirkland went undrafted. Look them up. I think both have a decent chance to make the final 53, or at least the PS. This is the year we run into a numbers game when it comes to the final roster. I think all these guys are at risk of not making it...

DJ Hayden / Dexter McDonald (one of)

Jon Feliciano

Menelik Watson

Matt McGloin

Marcel Reese

Denico Autry / Shelby Harris / Demontre Moore (one of)

Leon Orr / Stacy McGee (one of)

Andre Dubose

Corey James / Darren Bates (one of)

Keith McGill

 
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massraider said:
Yes. And No.  

Eff him.

I believe 100% that having the Texas guys on board is huge.  They don't want anyone in San Antonio, Jerry and McNair getting behind the move would be massive.

If we get one or two of the old guard on board, it'll pass.  The Maras and their sniffing about gambling and such will seem more and more old fashioned.  
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THe Carson project was decision board, who decided that that project was the better option, was stacked with the old guard wasn't it?

My fear is, which may have already been realised, that the old guard, who built this not perfect but entertaining enough entity, are or have lost the power to make major decision. When this happens it won't be the Footballguys deciding the best path for the league it will be the business men. With the Davis's out of the way it will be one more business vote with the football families stewwing in the corner

 
^^^ He's certainly an oddball, but the organization has made a dramatic turnaround under his watch. Mark is ok by me. #### Jerruh Jones.

 
THere have certainly been some oddball players on Raiders teams of the past. A lot of whom also excelled on the field.

Now we have an oddball owner, even Reggie has his own uniqueness about him, who, as LawFitz said, have help turned the club around. As long as they are successful at what they are doing let em be who they are.

If it gets up the noses of other owners, rival fans, media peoples noses and anyone else even better. It is definitely and defiantly a Raiders thing that I love

 
joey said:
2 days without a post? unacceptable ;)

More on Joseph getting assigned #42:

Del Rio Gives Joseph No 42 - It's an honor to wear Lott's number
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:lmao:

I was amazed that I had to go off the first page to get check in on the thread earlier. I almost posted something along the lines of "did everyone fall asleep" or something but decided against.

Lott is prob a good fit for his game from what I am gathering. A guy who hits harder than his size and has a nose for the ball. People have given a lot of Woodson comparisons because of CWood just retiring and both being Raiders but that is a poor comparison. Two different players. CWood was a CB first and a ball hawk who was a sure tackler who developed into a damn fine FS. Joseph looks the part of a star SS. Also heard Polamalu comparisons but I don't think Polamalu was ever known for hitting hard. Lott.... yes, one of the all time hardest hitting safeties (up there with Atwater and Tatum) and had a nose for the ball too.

 
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Chadstroma said:
:lmao:

I was amazed that I had to go off the first page to get check in on the thread earlier. I almost posted something along the lines of "did everyone fall asleep" or something but decided against.

Lott is prob a good fit for his game from what I am gathering. A guy who hits harder than his size and has a nose for the ball. People have given a lot of Woodson comparisons because of CWood just retiring and both being Raiders but that is a poor comparison. Two different players. CWood was a CB first and a ball hawk who was a sure tackler who developed into a damn fine FS. Joseph looks the part of a star SS. Also heard Polamalu comparisons but I don't think Polamalu was ever known for hitting hard. Lott.... yes, one of the all time hardest hitting safeties (up there with Atwater and Tatum) and had a nose for the ball too.
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I think the Polamalu comparison is for the way he flies all over the field and is willing to give up his body and plays fearless, but I think of Polamalu as a pretty hard hitter too.  

 
ICON211 said:
I think the Polamalu comparison is for the way he flies all over the field and is willing to give up his body and plays fearless, but I think of Polamalu as a pretty hard hitter too.  
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Really? I can't think of any hard hits. Now, he would get in there for sure and fling his body around creating separation but it was always filling a hole or contact on the ball. I fully could be missing the mark here but I am just not thinking of any hard hits in my minds eye.

 
My main man Shelby Harris announced he's been cut.  Bummer,  but the defensive line depth chart looks a little different from when he was brought in.  Heck,  hard to imagine I was wondering if they'd match Mayowa's offer sheet.  No way Mayowa makes this team. 

This was a move to allow him to catch on with someone's 90 man roster I think.  I like that they did that,  I feel like agents remember this kind of stuff

 
^^^ Harris was cut b/c your new boy Cowser dominated the rookie minicamp and even took a leadership role ahead of Ward and Calhoun in diagnosing presnap offensive looks. 

I thought Reggie did Harris a solid cutting him early. Watch him land with Dallas. Agents will take note hopefully.

Also look out for Max McCaffrey and Jaydon Mickens to make the roster ahead of Andre Twitterbose.

 
massraider said:
My main man Shelby Harris announced he's been cut.  Bummer,  but the defensive line depth chart looks a little different from when he was brought in.  Heck,  hard to imagine I was wondering if they'd match Mayowa's offer sheet.  No way Mayowa makes this team. 

This was a move to allow him to catch on with someone's 90 man roster I think.  I like that they did that,  I feel like agents remember this kind of stuff
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Agreed. Liked his potential as a rotational player but there is no room for him and that is obvious. With the 'edge' guys we have and the drafter where we brought in more DL on top of Moore signing. Just hard to see how he makes the team without a huge leap in progress on his game. Mayowa wouldn't have had a chance either.

My goodness- it feels good to lose talented players because we have no place for them on our roster rather than we have no room in cap space or they can't wait to get the heck out of dodge (or Oakland in this case). I think this is a small transaction that most of the fans will not even notice but I think that this move speaks volumes for where are team is now and where it is headed.

 
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