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If "2 young wildly talented players instead of 3" is "haunted," what word would you use to describe the team that gave up Oubre, Brown, Tatum, and this year's 1.08 in exchange for a couple senior citizens five years ago?
(Brooklyn fan here)
I have said this before but the most fascinating thing about that deal is it is like the only NBA trade in the past 20 years without lottery protection...truly a first ballot hall-of-fame selection when it comes to bad deals...If "2 young wildly talented players instead of 3" is "haunted," what word would you use to describe the team that gave up Oubre, Brown, Tatum, and this year's 1.08 in exchange for a couple senior citizens five years ago?
I can't imagine the smirk on Ainge's face when it was accepted. Had to be like Hinkie's when he got the Kings to throw in the swap picks with the ransom he was already getting
He will get more than that but probably not from the Celtics...what he does well he does very well but the holes in his game don't seem to be improving...would hate to see him go but you can't commit big $ to a guy who has those holes...
Ankiel is the closest thing I can think of, but he still was a really good pitcher in the majors for a while before melting down.
"Steve Blass disease"[edit]
McHale and Parish for Joe Barry Carrol?If "2 young wildly talented players instead of 3" is "haunted," what word would you use to describe the team that gave up Oubre, Brown, Tatum, and this year's 1.08 in exchange for a couple senior citizens five years ago?
That is a tough one to beat but I put them in 2 different categories...at the time of the above trade JBC was supposed to be a generational talent in a league that was built around Centers (the Warriors also got the 13th pick which was a better pick in that era compared to now)...Parrish was considered an underachiever and McHale was flying under-the-radar a little although obviously Red was all over him...so I look at that deal as one where the results made it horrible as opposed to the Nets deal where you pretty much knew right away it was a great move for a rebuilding Celtics team...another one that was a heist was DJ for Rick Robey...Red should have been charged with a felony on that one...
Well that changes things. I thought he signed for longer. So looks like things are being set up nicely. Irving leaves, Rozier signs long term deal.
Perhaps, lots of options for Ainge and will really depend on how they feel about Irving’s health.
I really believe Hayward would still be there (I fully admit I am all in on Hayward)...when the C's were not making a big move I truly believe it was because they had identified Hayward as one of the guys they wanted to build around...he is Steven's boy and his skill-set is how he wants his team playing...he loves these multi-position players who can do everything...
Apples and oranges. Totally different styles. Mitchell is the better scorer. Simmons is better at everything else
But Simmons is a huge drag on his team’s offense in the half court seeing as he has absolutely no chance of making a jump shot. Mitchell just isn’t a better scorer, he’s an infinitely better scorer.
Mitchell- 20 ppg. 3 apg 3 rpg
That’s a pretty rudimentary look at stats, but ok. You watched the playoffs yes? I don’t really care what he did in the regular-season against the Magic and the Hawks. He was a huge drag on his team when teams had the chance to focus on him in a tight series.
Seems like it. Still a few years off though. Could be tough. Horford and Kyrie both have player options worth a combined $50M 2 years from now, which they'll surely opt into. Terry has a qualifying offer that season, so assuming another team is willing to drop heavy money on him, Boston may not be able to afford to match an offer.
It's no mystery that Simmons needs to develop a jumpshot. He's played one season. And will win ROY. It's not like the book is written and he can't improve his shot.
I don’t know what a triple-double guy means in the context of winning or why you care, especially if he can’t shoot. You think that jumper is just going to get substantially better now, while facing the hardest competition of his life?
There's a blurb out there with Durant explaining that Ben's lack of a shot is a huge advantage to other teams. The other stats pile up because he can't shoot. He'll get more rebounds because he isn't taking the shots. He'll get more assists because he isn't taking the shots. But it all makes defending the 6ers easier, especially when all the cards are on the table in the playoffs.
In fairness this was not an issue against Miami even when Embiid was out. Obviously he needs to develop a shot, but we will see if other teams can duplicate what Boston was able to do.
Right. You could see the Celtics just drag off him when he was at the top of the key, just begging him to shoot. They were playing 4 on 5 with him on offense at times. They had no chance with that guy out there.
I don't get too into analytics and over thinking stats but his +/- vs Boston isn't an oddity. It's a real problem. If you watched without bias (Laker fan here so both teams can die imo), Ben was a liability compared to MCCONNELL.
..... #TTP
I was surprised how bad Simmons looked on defense. His defense in the regular season was significantly better than anyone expected after watching him at LSU but he looked lost against Boston. As did Embiid at times.
I'm a choose-up guy as far as establishing player values, and there aint a GM in the league would trade Simmons to get Mitchell
you could reeeeally use that flag if i told you the veterans no GM would trade Simmons for. but, yes, not ONE on DMitchell
You're making stuff up. If you think LeBron, Daryl Morey, or Bob Myers would take a ball dominant bricklayer over another assassin, you're not paying attention.
It's all about upside when you're talking about 20 year olds.
So the Warriors, Rockets, and the LeBrons consider that trade, but no one else does.
Exactly. Scorers are a dime a dozen. Simmons' skillset is unique. Magic Johnson had it. Lebron has it. Only difference is, they could shoot. Young Lebron had no jumpshot either. Now look.
