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Whatever you need to make you feel better about it.
Probably both.
How does it make me feel better? The Warriors are fun to watch, but they aren't my team.
Everyone in the league talks trash, when it is their guy it is okay. When it is a team they hate or against their guy people should be getting laid out!
It may have changed the outcome of the game, the series I don't think so. The refs weren't great, but they weren't horrible. The rule is horrible. The charge/block could have went either way, in real time 2 refs called the foul and one called a block and one called a charge.
Agree 100%. That was ridiculous, and it probably changed the outcome of the game, which, in turn, could change the outcome of the series.
The refs were pretty terrible in this game, especially in 4Q and OT. Ejecting Thompson was absolutely ridiculous. They did not penalize Green for obvious taunting after Thompson's ejection. They called fouls on at least two clean strips by Cleveland defenders, one very late in 4Q that gave GS 2 free throws from Durant... which also affected the outcome of the game. Meanwhile, no calls on James clearly getting fouled a couple times during the same stretch.
I know calls are missed, but it was a really bad look for NBA officiating IMO.
And Draymond Green is easily the biggest tool currently in the NBA, and it's not close. I am surprised he hasn't been punched in the face on the court. The NBA needs to loosen up and allow some physicality and hard fouls back in the game like back in the 80s. Green would be a prime candidate for a clothesline like McHale gave to Rambis. Or just a punch in the face.
Right, because when the league actually allowed hard fouls, it was a regular thing that star players were injured and out for playoff series as a result.
The fact that they reviewed it and called a block is ridiculous. He was in legal guarding position and well outside the restricted area. A defender is allowed to move if position is established. Recently retired ref Steve Jaffe explained that on the broadcast and said he thought it was a charge, yet the guys watching the replay concluded the opposite. Makes zero sense and, like I said, is a bad look for NBA officiating.
Players were slower and smaller back then. Like your boy McHale, is listed at 6'10" 225 lbs. Kendrick Perkins 6'10" 270 lbs. You realize guys Klay Thompson are almost as big as McHale was?Right, because when the league actually allowed hard fouls, it was a regular thing that star players were injured and out for playoff series as a result.
So the retired ref vs. the current refs. I thought he was still moving when I seen it in slow motion. Not a bad look for the officiating, a bad look for that rule. They followed the rule correctly, just like that stupid no catch by the Steelers tight end against the Patriots, correct call horrible rule.
Common sense could have prevailed though, no? When they looked at it, and saw it should not have been reviewed in the first place because he wasn’t even that close to the restricted area, wasn’t it close enough almost 50-50 that it was charge/block? Maybe I’m wrong, I dunno.
They could have, I guess. I didn't even know you could review the call while looking at the restricted area. Maybe they both thought it was a charge when watching the replay. I am not sure.
Moving has nothing to do with it. The NBA rule explanation does not reference moving, it references establishing legal guarding position outside the restricted area, which clearly happened.
Obviously not, because the paid professional refs that are still working didn't think he had legal guarding position after looking at it in slow motion and it seems like every expert on television doesn't see it the same. So obviously it was a really close call that could go either way.
And it looks like he mouths to Lebron that he thought they were winning. He’s just trying to save face.JR
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JR Smith: "I was trying to get enough to bring it out to get a shot off. I knew we were tied, I thought we were going to call timeout. If I thought we were ahead, I'd have held onto the ball and let them foul me."
From the NBA rule book:
Pretty clear cut that this was a charge IMO. The fact that they went to replay and called it a block, giving GS 2 points to tie the game with 36.4 seconds remaining, was officiating malpractice.
Just watched the replay and if he made any move towards the basket he was going to get triple teamed. Curry was right in his chest so he couldn't rise up and shoot and Draymond and Durant were a few steps behind Curry with one of them on the right and one on the left both watching LeBron. Any move he makes towards the hoops is an instant double team and maybe a triple team. So he hit Hill on a pretty backdoor cut and Hill got tripped by Klay.
You realize you can quote the rule book over and over. It doesn't matter because it is A. your opinion, and B. this isn't a double dribble or traveling where there is a clear rule, this is a judgement call and when both the refs who called a foul in real time looked at it in slow motion they felt he wasn't in legal guarding position.
They should be forced to explain why they made that determination and cite a rule in the rule book that supports their position. My read of the rule book does not support their position.
Looking at the replay I think LeBron leaned in a little. Go back and look at the thread when it first happened and I said the same thing and according to the rules you can't lean in.They should be forced to explain why they made that determination and cite a rule in the rule book that supports their position. My read of the rule book does not support their position.
They blew it IMO. Yes, duh, that is my opinion. That's what we do here, we post opinions.
At least I am linking to the actual rules and not just saying, well, they are the refs, so they must know, since they never make mistakes when they go to the replay.
Bolded the parts that support a block call.
Your first bolded part does not apply. James clearly got to the spot first without contact. The second bolded part is the issue of contention.
I do realize that the report on this game will say it was the correct call, regardless of whether or not that is true. The NBA is not going to admit that their officiating blew a Finals game unless the video evidence is incontrovertible. The fact that this is a judgment call enables them to say it was the right call, regardless.
I really don't know what you are watching of that's the case. It's pretty cut and dry.
Yup, for all the grief JR is getting. Hill had the opportunity to make the game winning shot and give the Cav's the win.
No one is 100% from the line. Missing both free throws could be an opportunity to give grief, missing one happens.
He was moving toward his opponent when contact occurred. That was my view watching it real-time, and while I don't personally like that it was reviewed and changed, I thought the outcome was right. IMO, the initial call was wrong, the way they used replay was wrong, and I don't think it was fair that it got overturned the way it happened -- they should have either called it correctly the first time, or let it stand. It's too close of a call, you can't overturn that. But IMO, a "tie" like that goes to the offensive player.
True but only because there is a 90% chance he would have killed one of his teammates if he was on the Magic.IDraymond Green.
Y'all just jelly you can't have him.
I disagree and don't think that is even in question.
Agree with the last paragraph. For the rest, you explained quite well in there why it was a foul on Durant.
