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oso diablo said:
i thought this was just a :homer:  post, when i first read it yesterday. but after finishing my statistical analysis of ACC players, i think you may be right.

Question for UNC fans: would you prefer to have Justin Jackson win POY or Roy win COY?
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I think I'd rather Roy be COY. May look better for recruiting purposes.

 
TLEF316 said:
Roy did a very good job this year. No question about it. That being said, unc benefitted from a very favorable schedule.

Of the top 9 teams in the league  (other than themselves) they only had to play 3 on the road. They lost all 3 games. 

Duke had to play all 9 of those teams.

Not saying duke would won the league or anything,  (they've been so inconsistent that they could lose to anyone)but that's a pretty good break for the heels. They're a very good experienced group but they haven't been great away from home.
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I have a hard time believing it shouldn't be Manning.

 
TLEF316 said:
Roy did a very good job this year. No question about it. That being saidone, unc benefitted from a very favorable schedule.

Of the top 9 teams in the league  (other than themselves) they only had to play 3 on the road. They lost all 3 games. 

Duke had to play all 9 of those teams.

Not saying duke would won the league or anything,  (they've been so inconsistent that they could lose to anyone)but that's a pretty good break for the heels. They're a very good experienced group but they haven't been great away from home.
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Can't argue with that. I mean, the Heels did have a tough schedule, but they did certainly benefit from getting ND, Louisville, Florida St, Virginia, and Duke at home.

They weren't as good away from Chapel Hill, but they did manage neutral site wins against Wisconsin and Oklahoma St. And they won at Wake Forest.

 
MattFancy said:
Can't argue with that. I mean, the Heels did have a tough schedule, but they did certainly benefit from getting ND, Louisville, Florida St, Virginia, and Duke at home.

They weren't as good away from Chapel Hill, but they did manage neutral site wins against Wisconsin and Oklahoma St. And they won at Wake Forest.
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They had to play the bolded on the road too.  So that's actually evidence of a tough schedule, not an easy one.   Overall their KenPom SoS was 12th, which is softish but of course they also didn't have to play UNC like everyone else did.  By comparison Louisville is 11, Virginia 9, Notre Dame 13, and Coach of the Year winner Pastner and Tech were 7th.  Duke, at 3, is the only team with a semi-reasonable gripe on SoS.

Anyway I figured he might not win. I don't like coach of the year awards, especially in college, so I'm much happier to have Justin Jackson win.  It's a silly award anyway.  It's not "coach of the year," it's "coach whose team won more games than we thought they would based on variables that are also under the coach's control but we're ignoring that part of it."  That won't fit on a trophy though.

Here's a fun fact by way of example: Coach K hasn't won ACC Coach of the Year since 2000.  You really think he didn't do the best coaching job any particular season since then?  Last time I checked recruiting is part of a coach's job description. 

 
 Looks like state is going out with a whimper.

Dsmith Jr deserved better. Kid is a hell of a talent. 

Really torn on this weekend. If duke were to somehow make the finals, I suppose that they could creep into 3 seed territory,  but honestly,  I don't really want that.  For where duke wants to go, I honestly think a 4 or 5 seed is better. Yeah, it's a tougher first 2 games(either of which duke could lose), but I'd rather play a 1 seed in the 16 with 5 days to rest and prepare.  (Instead of 2 days later in the Elite 8)

 
TLEF316 said:
 Looks like state is going out with a whimper.

Dsmith Jr deserved better. Kid is a hell of a talent. 

Really torn on this weekend. If duke were to somehow make the finals, I suppose that they could creep into 3 seed territory,  but honestly,  I don't really want that.  For where duke wants to go, I honestly think a 4 or 5 seed is better. Yeah, it's a tougher first 2 games(either of which duke could lose), but I'd rather play a 1 seed in the 16 with 5 days to rest and prepare.  (Instead of 2 days later in the Elite 8)
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There are worse things in the world than being the 4 seed in the West.  

 
TobiasFunke said:
They had to play the bolded on the road too.  So that's actually evidence of a tough schedule, not an easy one.   Overall their KenPom SoS was 12th, which is softish but of course they also didn't have to play UNC like everyone else did.  By comparison Louisville is 11, Virginia 9, Notre Dame 13, and Coach of the Year winner Pastner and Tech were 7th.  Duke, at 3, is the only team with a semi-reasonable gripe on SoS.

Anyway I figured he might not win. I don't like coach of the year awards, especially in college, so I'm much happier to have Justin Jackson win.  It's a silly award anyway.  It's not "coach of the year," it's "coach whose team won more games than we thought they would based on variables that are also under the coach's control but we're ignoring that part of it."  That won't fit on a trophy though.

Here's a fun fact by way of example: Coach K hasn't won ACC Coach of the Year since 2000.  You really think he didn't do the best coaching job any particular season since then?  Last time I checked recruiting is part of a coach's job description. 
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It took Billy D 19 years and a perfect conference record to get one out of the SEC.

 
Ramblin Wreck said:
GT was supposed to be 1-17/0-18 in the ACC this year.  Pastner did a hell of a job with that team.
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Seriously...I didn't expect GT to get more than 3 wins and all would be against the lowest of the ACC...

They beat freaking UNC, FSU and ND...that's huge.

 
Syracuse in or not?  Two wins away from home all year and 14 losses.  But bubble is terrible too. Maybe they'll play in a first four game so boeheim can whine about that. 

 
Saw a Vegas graphic last night where UNC is the favorite to win the title and Duke is the 5th choice.  Both seem high to me.

 
Ramblin Wreck said:
Syracuse in or not?  Two wins away from home all year and 14 losses.  But bubble is terrible too. Maybe they'll play in a first four game so boeheim can whine about that. 
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In a vacuum, I wouldn't put them in but they may have the oddest resume I've seen from a bubble team out of a major conference in a long time. I'm sure I'd disagree if I were a Cuse fan, but I'd rather see a team like ILL ST in than Syracuse.

 
To your question I'd give them maybe a 33% chance. Horrible RPI, complete lack of road wins. More quality wins than any other bubble team.

If the bubble wasn't so weak they'd have no chance, but who knows with what it is this year. I'd be very excited to get a play-in game, but not expecting it.

 
Uruk-Hai said:
In a vacuum, I wouldn't put them in but they may have the oddest resume I've seen from a bubble team out of a major conference in a long time. I'm sure I'd disagree if I were a Cuse fan, but I'd rather see a team like ILL ST in than Syracuse.
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Cuse and ILL st are definitely polar opposites on the resume scale.

 
scoobus said:
Cuse and ILL st are definitely polar opposites on the resume scale.
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I guess, but I'm old - the flashy record still makes me run into traffic sometimes chasing shiny toys.

Syracuse had way more opportunities to NOT lose to horrific opponents.

Doesn't matter in the long run, I guess, other than something to argue about here. Now watch Boheim get in and run to the Elite Eight.

 
Uruk-Hai said:
I guess, but I'm old - the flashy record still makes me run into traffic sometimes chasing shiny toys.

Syracuse had way more opportunities to NOT lose to horrific opponents.

Doesn't matter in the long run, I guess, other than something to argue about here. Now watch Boheim get in and run to the Elite Eight.
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I just meant their profiles are completely different, not that Cuse's is necessarily better.

St. with the gaudy record and excellent RPI, but didn't really play anyone (I think only played 1 team in the RPI top 100, went 1-2 vs them)

Cuse with more quality wins than any other bubble team, but horrible RPI and crappy record.

As an impartial observer, I would favor ILL st's profile. But as a Syracuse fan, I obviously think it's clear Syracuse should be in over them.

 
I heard a lot about Illinois state but wasn't that impressed the other day. Wichita  (who was probably somewhat of a bubble team themselves)  handled them pretty easily on Sunday. As far as I could tell, their entire game plan was having their tiny little pg do an Allen Iverson impression and hope for the best.

I'm generally all about good mid majors getting in over 8th place teams from major conferences, but Illinois state flunked the eye test for me.

 
scoobus said:
I don't get it. Greensboro's cheerios?
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No, I was saying it seems like maybe someone peed in Boeheim's Cheerios rather than the other way around. Just found the timing funny given the posts.  The guy is definitely an elite upper tier whiner.  Not that there's anything wrong with it- as a Jew I have great respect for his whine game, and the NY superiority/NC dismissal troll job he busts out on occasion is epic.

 
TobiasFunke said:
No, I was saying it seems like maybe someone peed in Boeheim's Cheerios rather than the other way around. Just found the timing funny given the posts.  The guy is definitely an elite upper tier whiner.  Not that there's anything wrong with it- as a Jew I have great respect for his whine game, and the NY superiority/NC dismissal troll job he busts out on occasion is epic.
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You have Cuse in or out?

 
TLEF316 said:
I heard a lot about Illinois state but wasn't that impressed the other day. Wichita  (who was probably somewhat of a bubble team themselves)  handled them pretty easily on Sunday. As far as I could tell, their entire game plan was having their tiny little pg do an Allen Iverson impression and hope for the best.

I'm generally all about good mid majors getting in over 8th place teams from major conferences, but Illinois state flunked the eye test for me.
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As I said, or meant to and likely failed as usual, I'm not specifically saying Ill St should jump Syracuse - just that Cuse has one of the strangest resumes I've seen for a bubble team and - just me personally - I'd rather give the benefit of the doubt to a team with a better surface record. I don't care whether Syracuse wins or loses another game in my lifetime, so - fantasy alert! - I'd rather see another team from a smaller conference get in over them in this particular year.

 
scoobus said:
You have Cuse in or out?
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I'm no bracketology expert. That said, seems like they have a pretty good case to me.  Someone said earlier this week in this thread or the NCAA thread that only a handful of 14 loss teams have made it, but if even one such team has a case it seems like it should be a team that's over .500 in one of the toughest conferences we've seen in a long, long time. Combine that with everyone saying the bubble is historically weak (I have absolutely no idea if that's true but it seems to be unanimous) and I like their odds.

 
TobiasFunke said:
I'm no bracketology expert. That said, seems like they have a pretty good case to me.  Someone said earlier this week in this thread or the NCAA thread that only a handful of 14 loss teams have made it, but if even one such team has a case it seems like it should be a team that's over .500 in one of the toughest conferences we've seen in a long, long time. Combine that with everyone saying the bubble is historically weak (I have absolutely no idea if that's true but it seems to be unanimous) and I like their odds.
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Sold!

 
TobiasFunke said:
No, I was saying it seems like maybe someone peed in Boeheim's Cheerios rather than the other way around. Just found the timing funny given the posts.  The guy is definitely an elite upper tier whiner.  Not that there's anything wrong with it- as a Jew I have great respect for his whine game, and the NY superiority/NC dismissal troll job he busts out on occasion is epic.
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Tobacco Road deserves some trolling. They've been running the league to their advantage for 50 years now, glad some are speaking up. 

Don't know why this came up though because until NC dumps that stupid bathroom bill there won't be any tournament there. 

 
Capella said:
Tobacco Road deserves some trolling. They've been running the league to their advantage for 50 years now, glad some are speaking up. 

Don't know why this came up though because until NC dumps that stupid bathroom bill there won't be any tournament there. 
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It's not like the siting was a strong-arm move by Duke and UNC or something. Before the Florida State expansion four of the eight schools were located in North Carolina, with a fifth one fairly close to the NC/SC border. There are historical and practical reasons they usually held it in NC. Even adding Florida State didn't change the math that much, and if you looked at a map showing the 9 schools and said "where should people in these locations meet up?" NC would be the obvious answer.

That said, I'm happy they're moving it around now for lots of reasons- personal (easier for me to go if I want), fairness, and the political pressure re HB2.  And like I said I enjoy the Boeheim troll job.

 
Ramblin Wreck said:
The City of Greensboro tweeted back.   :lmao:

City of Greensboro‏ @greensborocity

.@AdamZagoria @ACCSports We kindly disagree. But I guess you can lose in the 1st round anywhere. At least it's a quick ride home.
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Now that's a quality burn. 

 
Ramblin Wreck said:
The City of Greensboro tweeted back.   :lmao:

City of Greensboro‏ @greensborocity

.@AdamZagoria @ACCSports We kindly disagree. But I guess you can lose in the 1st round anywhere. At least it's a quick ride home.
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:own3d: :lmao:  

 
TobiasFunke said:
It's not like the siting was a strong-arm move by Duke and UNC or something. Before the Florida State expansion four of the eight schools were located in North Carolina, with a fifth one fairly close to the NC/SC border. There are historical and practical reasons they usually held it in NC. Even adding Florida State didn't change the math that much, and if you looked at a map showing the 9 schools and said "where should people in these locations meet up?" NC would be the obvious answer.

That said, I'm happy they're moving it around now for lots of reasons- personal (easier for me to go if I want), fairness, and the political pressure re HB2.  And like I said I enjoy the Boeheim troll job.
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Sure it was, back in the day at least - UNC's influence, specifically, ran that conference for a couple of decades. It's not like that anymore, but it was through at least the 80s.

 
Ramblin Wreck said:
Syracuse in or not?  Two wins away from home all year and 14 losses.  But bubble is terrible too. Maybe they'll play in a first four game so boeheim can whine about that. 
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IMO they are only in if they back in due to weakness of the bubble. All RPI rankings below are from ESPN as of 8:30 pm EST today. Not sure if all numbers are updated through today's games or yesterday's games or something in between.

Case for:

  • Winning record in toughest conference, albeit barely at 10-9.
  • Quality wins against FSU (RPI #11), Duke (13), and UVA (15).
Case against:

  • RPI of 75 would be the worst RPI for any team to ever receive an at large bid if they get one.
  • Overall record of 18-14.

    As of a year ago, only 6 teams with 14 losses had ever received an at large bid.
  • I also suspect there haven't been many at large bids for teams with 18 or fewer wins, but I don't have the data.
  • Also consider the splits: 10-12 vs. RPI Top 150, 8-1 against RPI 150+.

[*]Terrible OOC schedule, rated 214. Best non-conference win based on RPI is Monmouth (50).

[*]Bad losses to UConn (119) and St John's (130) at home and BC (212) on the road. Also lost at home to Georgetown (93). No Big East nostalgia here.

[*]Just 2 road wins, and both barely (vs NC State in OT and vs Clemson on a buzzer beater) and both over poor teams (NC State and Clemson were a combined 11-28 in ACC play this season... 8-25 if you don't count their games against each other).

[*]0-3 in neutral site games. "Neutral site" even though all 3 games were played in New York.

I don't think they deserve a bid. While I like the idea of as many ACC teams as possible making it, and the conference overall doing well in the tournament, in general if it is close between a 10th team from a single power conference and a non power conference team, I'd rather see the non power conference team make it.

(Unless that power conference team was NC State! :wolf:  )

 
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Another year...similar story for Duke.

No interior defense, rebounding is lacking, need a true point guard, too heavily dependent upon the three point shot and not much of a bench.

Like other years...they can beat anyone when the shots fall...or they can lose to Lehigh if they don't.

 
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tdoss said:
Another year...similar story for Duke.

No interior defense, rebounding is lacking, need a true point guard, too heavily dependent upon the three point shot and not much of a bench.

Like other years...they can beat anyone when the shots fall...or they can lose to Lehigh if they don't.
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:coffee:

 
Amazing turnaround by Kennard in the 2nd half.

Thankfully Tatum carried the load while Kennard struggled.

Grayson still finding his way...but still think him trying to not play too aggressive is messing him up.

2-3 zone finally stopped the penetration and Louisville missed all of their free throws.

Congrats to Coach K...most wins in ACC Tourney.

 
tdoss said:
Another year...similar story for Duke.

No interior defense, rebounding is lacking, need a true point guard, too heavily dependent upon the three point shot and not much of a bench.

Like other years...they can beat anyone when the shots fall...or they can lose to Lehigh if they don't.
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I count nine five-star recruits on the current roster.  Maybe coaching is the problem?

 
TobiasFunke said:
I count nine five-star recruits on the current roster.  Maybe coaching is the problem?
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There's definitely a philosophy thing with Duke in coaching and recruiting.

The onus is on motion and scoring.

Which works...but if there's any wrinkles in that starting lineup...it's a rough time.

Transfers, one and done's and injuries...definitely cause issue with any team but I'm talking about Championship aspirations every year, I know...woe is the Duke fan.  I can't imagine what it's like to be a GTech fan and hope for .500 at best.  Wait...I lied...I'm a Dolphin fan...so yes, I understand what it's like to struggle each year just to make the playoffs.

 
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Uruk-Hai said:
TobiasFunke said:
It's not like the siting was a strong-arm move by Duke and UNC or something. Before the Florida State expansion four of the eight schools were located in North Carolina, with a fifth one fairly close to the NC/SC border. There are historical and practical reasons they usually held it in NC. Even adding Florida State didn't change the math that much, and if you looked at a map showing the 9 schools and said "where should people in these locations meet up?" NC would be the obvious answer.

That said, I'm happy they're moving it around now for lots of reasons- personal (easier for me to go if I want), fairness, and the political pressure re HB2.  And like I said I enjoy the Boeheim troll job.
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Sure it was, back in the day at least - UNC's influence, specifically, ran that conference for a couple of decades. It's not like that anymore, but it was through at least the 80s.
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I always thought, and still do, that it was logical to have the ACC Tournament in Greensboro since it was founded there. That's where its roots are, and it became a tradition. It is tobacco road. These days many don't care about tradition. Especially those that haven't been a part of it since it became popular in the 70s. You're a longtime Terp fan, right? Do you get what I'm saying?

 
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