2020-21 NBA *Playoffs* Thread: Bucks are the champs and you can take that to the bank bromigos (6 Viewers)

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Jordan 

Lebron

Russell

Wilt

Magic

Kobe

Kareem

Bird

Duncan

Shaq

Is this list in order of how you rank them? If so, I disagree with Lebron being ranked that high but that’s a good list. 

I’m surprised (but like that) you have Bird and Kobe ranked so high. I think both are underrated. I think Kobe was one of only a handful of players who ever maxed out their capabilities. The only thing he could have done better was get along with Shaq. Bird with a lifetime behind the three point line sure would be interesting. 

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

The posthumous Kobe love is mind boggling.  Like nails on a chalkboard

Best player of his era which includes something like 10 years of Lebrons career.  

 

[Frostillicus]

1) He flops in every single clip. 

I watched the first three clips again. Zero flops.  He falls down. Everyone falls down.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

I watched the first three clips again. Zero flops.  He falls down. Everyone falls down.

I respectfully disagree and think your opinion is immeasurably more contrarian than my position that Lebron isn’t a top 10 player all-time. 

 

[Frostillicus]

I respectfully disagree and think your opinion is immeasurably more contrarian than my position that Lebron isn’t a top 10 player all-time. 

Fair enough. We could just define "flop" differently.

 

[Zigg]

I don’t hate the guy. In the entire history of the NBA I would only take 10-12 players ahead of him. That isn’t hate, it’s just a more measured opinion. 
 

Sorry, but it’s just hate. 

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

I would also like to add that while he used to take the Shaq in-season time vacations, I respect the hell out of Lebron for playing hard every game these past few years.

 

[Gr00vus]

So now this thread is worse than the Lowe podcast. Hi fives all around, great work everyone.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Fair enough. We could just define "flop" differently.

Right. I think a flop is when a player pretends to get hit and/or exaggerates the impact of being touched.

How do you define it?

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

So now this thread is worse than the Lowe podcast. Hi fives all around, great work everyone.

Why is the thread ruined? I mean besides everybody coming in just chiming in with one-liners and sarcasm? Besides that, why is the thread ruined?

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Sorry, but it’s just hate. 

I got to admit. You make it hard to argue. I guess I will though. Let me try.

I don’t hate LeBron James. In the entire history of the NBA I think it’s arguable that there were 10-12 players better than him. 

If I’m a hater? What are you? Are you a blind lover?

 

[General Malaise]

i mean if you are going to have a scorching hawt take, at least make it interesting please.  I mean Dame Lilliard is a regression to the mean away from just being average in clutch situations.  Dude's just lucky right now.  

Been asking management for years to trade him for some cap space.  Maybe get Omar Asik in return too. WHO SAYS NO TO THAT?

 

[General Malaise]

I got to admit. You make it hard to argue. I guess I will though. Let me try.

I don’t hate LeBron James. In the entire history of the NBA I think it’s arguable that there were 10-12 players better than him. 

If I’m a hater? What are you? Are you a blind lover?

No, it's not arguable.  There are not 10-12 players better than LeBron.  I admire the Skip Bayless schtick attempt, but he's getting paid to say silly things.  You're not.

 

[Gr00vus]

Why is the thread ruined? I mean besides everybody coming in just chiming in with one-liners and sarcasm? Besides that, why is the thread ruined?

I just don't get the impulse to crap on some of the best to ever play the game or try to make comparisons between completely different eras. What's fun about that?

 

[Frostillicus]

Right. I think a flop is when a player pretends to get hit and/or exaggerates the impact of being touched.

How do you define it?

You seriously call those three first plays "flops"?

 

[Sammy3469]

Been asking management for years to trade him for some cap space.  Maybe get Omar Asik in return too. WHO SAYS NO TO THAT?

I mean I'm pretty sure Enes has a monopoly on all the Portland area schwarma.  

 

[General Malaise]

I mean I'm pretty sure Enes has a monopoly on all the Portland area schwarma.  

My god, does Portland fan love them some Enes Kanter.  This city is so weird.  

 

[Sammy3469]

My god, does Portland fan love them some Enes Kanter.  This city is so weird.  

I mean who doesn't love Enes.  Dude is a rock and never flops.  Granted he's never in position to make a play defensively....

 

[General Malaise]

I mean who doesn't love Enes.  Dude is a rock and never flops.  Granted he's never in position to make a play defensively....

Look, if you want Enes to get you 12 points, he'll get you 12 points. If you want Enes to get you 6 defensive rebounds, he'll get you 12 points.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Is this list in order of how you rank them? If so, I disagree with Lebron being ranked that high but that’s a good list. 

I’m surprised (but like that) you have Bird and Kobe ranked so high. I think both are underrated. I think Kobe was one of only a handful of players who ever maxed out their capabilities. The only thing he could have done better was get along with Shaq. Bird with a lifetime behind the three point line sure would be interesting. 

I was one of the biggest anti-kobe people on this board forever.  I really regret not appreciating him more while he played.  

 

[Navin Johnson]

Best player of his era which includes something like 10 years of Lebrons career.  

Ball stopping compiler.  He might be top 20 but that is his ceiling.

 

[EYLive]

Remind me not to come back into this thread. It's gotten so gross.

 

[thecatch]

I was one of the biggest anti-kobe people on this board forever.  I really regret not appreciating him more while he played.  

I was an anti-Kobe person on this board and I feel like I appreciated him the appropriate amount. 

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Remind me not to come back into this thread. It's gotten so gross.

It really is. I mean it’s a bunch of people who only think one way and if you don’t think like they do, you’re just wrong.....cause man. Just cause. 

 

[Desert_Power]

I was one of the biggest anti-kobe people on this board forever.  I really regret not appreciating him more while he played.  

I was an anti-Kobe person on this board and I feel like I appreciated him the appropriate amount. 

Late career Kobe became a very inefficient player so he was an easy target.

 

[Desert_Power]

Look, if you want Enes to get you 12 points, he'll get you 12 points. If you want Enes to get you 6 defensive rebounds, he'll get you 12 points.

@Leroy Hoard

 

[thecatch]

Late career Kobe became a very inefficient player so he was an easy target.

Kobe’s highest TS% would rank as Lebron’s 12th best year. 

 

[Capella]

Kobe’s highest TS% would rank as Lebron’s 12th best year. 

lol

 

[Navin Johnson]

Kobe’s highest TS% would rank as Lebron’s 12th best year. 

Yeah, but that's only because LeBron is a better at three pointers and getting to the rim

 

[nysfl2]

Best player of his era which includes something like 10 years of Lebrons career.  

Did you forget that he played at the same time as Tim Duncan?

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Did you forget that he played at the same time as Tim Duncan?

I did not. Would be hard to forget since they played each other a few times in the playoffs. 

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Kobe’s highest TS% would rank as Lebron’s 12th best year. 

lol

Yeah, but that's only because LeBron is a better at three pointers and getting to the rim

To be fair - the all time leader of TS% is Jordan. DeAndre Jordan. Followed by Cedric Maxwell and Tyson Chandler.

 

[modogg]

Glad Julius Randle made the East all-star squad. Some silly suggestions on the roster though, how the hell did they leave Booker off?

Silliests picks have to be Zion and Tatum. Not sure how Sabonis, Harris or even Middleton didn't get a spot over Tatum. And Zion, that's just silly

ETA: No Butler or Bam should light a fire for the Heat too. I know they have had a rough start, but that was mostly Covid. 

 

[mr. furley]

this ####### thread

my god

 

[Yo Mama]

Funny this conversation of all time NBA greats came up. I am planning on giving a reboot on an old all-time nba TimDraft we did back in the day.  I’ll get a thread started tomorrow with the details (stupid dickmitten work dependent of course). 
 

We can hopefully move all this incredible discourse over there and relive the awesome Kobe vs LeBron thread magic. AND IT ISN’T EVEN CLOSE!!!

 

[trader jake]

Funny this conversation of all time NBA greats came up. I am planning on giving a reboot on an old all-time nba TimDraft we did back in the day.  I’ll get a thread started tomorrow with the details (stupid dickmitten work dependent of course). 
 

We can hopefully move all this incredible discourse over there and relive the awesome Kobe vs LeBron thread magic. AND IT ISN’T EVEN CLOSE!!!

The old draft is way better than this new draft.  Hands down.

 

[Desert_Power]

this ####### thread

my god

Things get a little slow and silly during the offseason when there are no games to watch...

 

[Yo Mama]

And lol Bird over LeBron

 

[Yo Mama]

The old draft is way better than this new draft.  Hands down.

There were plumbers drafting in the old draft. We have analytics now!

 

[modogg]

the officials in this 6ers-Raptors game are just silly. 

6'ers do have some work still. Another game they lead by 20+ for most of it, but just let the other team sneak back. 

 

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I admire the Skip Bayless schtick attempt

This actually hurt a little. 

 

[MAC_32]

honestly, i think there is some PED use. He has played for 18 years, and the wear and tear on his body would seem to suggest that he has to have some addl. help. Like his hairline, i think he has to be taking something. Maybe he is on that Tom Brady TB11 that seems to beat the drug tests and have Brady looking as good as he is at this point

That isn't taking away from the fact that he probably does do a good job of caring for his body with good nutrition, etc. But to play for 18 years as many minutes as he has without taking a lot of time off for injuries is not the norm for most. I know that the NBA wants to promote LeBron and suggest he is a "superman", but it would be better if they embraced the science behind it and discussed the pro's and con's. 

His body maintenance plan

 

[Sammy3469]

Lebron wishes he had half the heart and desire that Luka has

 

[Deamon]

I guess since Ben made the All-Star team and is no longer "a terrible player" , the hate convo has moved to LeBron.  I'm fine with that. 

 

[General Malaise]

Threw a hundy down on Dame to win MVP @ 20-1.  I've done dumber things with money.  

 

[Yo Mama]

I guess since Ben made the All-Star team and is no longer "a terrible player" , the hate convo has moved to LeBron.  I'm fine with that. 

I’m shocked Simmons made it over Middleton. 

 

[Deamon]

I’m shocked Simmons made it over Middleton. 

Interesting. 

Ben: 15.7P, 8.3R, 7.9A, 1.7S, 0.8B, 57FG%, 67FT%

Mid: 20.5P, 6.0R, 5.7A, 1.1S, 0.2B, 50FG%, 89FT%

Ben has him in 5 of 7 statistical categories and is easily the better defender.  

Yet you're "shocked" ? Ok. 

 

[scoobus]

Interesting. 

Ben: 15.7P, 8.3R, 7.9A, 1.7S, 0.8B, 57FG%, 67FT%

Mid: 20.5P, 6.0R, 5.7A, 1.1S, 0.2B, 50FG%, 89FT%

Ben has him in 5 of 7 statistical categories and is easily the better defender.  

Yet you're "shocked" ? Ok. 

I notice you left out 3P% for some reason.

 

[Deamon]

I notice you left out 3P% for some reason.

3P% is included in FG%.

 

[Yo Mama]

Interesting. 

Ben: 15.7P, 8.3R, 7.9A, 1.7S, 0.8B, 57FG%, 67FT%

Mid: 20.5P, 6.0R, 5.7A, 1.1S, 0.2B, 50FG%, 89FT%

Ben has him in 5 of 7 statistical categories and is easily the better defender.  

Yet you're "shocked" ? Ok. 

I guess it’s no surprise you left out 3pt FG% (17% vs 43%), TO (3.3 vs 2.7), WS (3.2 vs 3.7), etc. 

The difference between Middleton and Simmons is far greater in scoring and shooting than in defense. Middleton is an excellent defender.