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2020 College football thread - It's the offseason, yo. (3 Viewers)

gump said:
You aren't the first person i've had this conversation with.  A good buddy in NJ and i eventually got him to Florida.  He's a lifelong Met fan...Tebow was a Met...
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Given my Indians fandom, is there a team that's pretty decent but does a lot of stuff to shoot themselves in the foot and/or disappoint their fans?  I could relate to a team like that. 

 
Well now it's my goal.

Dear sir, do you even know which team one Mr. James Franklin coached before Penn State?!

 
Assuming college football is played this fall I think I may end up rooting for Tennessee.  The locals I met there were very nice when I went to watch Oregon play there 10 years ago.

 
So help me understand the argument for shutting down a school for learning but it's safe enough for football.   UNC has to come up with that answer right now and it's just a matter of time for the others

 
The Commish said:
So help me understand the argument for shutting down a school for learning but it's safe enough for football.   UNC has to come up with that answer right now and it's just a matter of time for the others
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Ummmm really easy to keep 100 players safe if there aren’t 25000 more kids around.  Now The argument you might wanna make is explain how they aren’t employees in that situation but keeping them safer is a no brainer

 
Ramblin Wreck said:
Ummmm really easy to keep 100 players safe if there aren’t 25000 more kids around.  Now The argument you might wanna make is explain how they aren’t employees in that situation but keeping them safer is a no brainer
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I was kind of assuming they'd be playing other teams not just each other. "Safe"  probably isn't the correct word. 

 
Ramblin Wreck said:
Ummmm really easy to keep 100 players safe if there aren’t 25000 more kids around.  Now The argument you might wanna make is explain how they aren’t employees in that situation but keeping them safer is a no brainer
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Are the players being quarantined? I was in Boulder yesterday and college age kids where everywhere just like always. 

 
Mile High said:
Are the players being quarantined? I was in Boulder yesterday and college age kids where everywhere just like always. 
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Collins has GT guys quarantined but I’m sure some don’t follow 100%.  No idea what other coaches are doing.  But if campuses are empty except football players they kinda quarantine naturally with themselves 

 
Ramblin Wreck said:
Collins has GT guys quarantined but I’m sure some don’t follow 100%.  No idea what other coaches are doing.  But if campuses are empty except football players they kinda quarantine naturally with themselves 
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Are campuses going to be empty? There are probably students now living on campus who were planning to attend in school classes. Are they now sending those kids home since school is moving to on-line. But you are correct in that it should be alot easily to keep them safer with no in school classes. 

 
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Mile High said:
Are campuses going to be empty? There are probably students now living on campus who were planning to attend in school classes. Are they now sending those kids home since school is moving to on-line. But you are correct in that it should be alot easily to keep them safer with no in school classes. 
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I thought I heard UNC was likely sending kids home unless they needed to stay for a hardship reason but I don't know if that decision has officially been made.

 
Ramblin Wreck said:
I thought I heard UNC was likely sending kids home unless they needed to stay for a hardship reason but I don't know if that decision has officially been made.
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Actually just saw a friend on facebook say that their kid (junior at UNC) is being told to move back home so guess this might be official now

 
Ramblin Wreck said:
I thought I heard UNC was likely sending kids home unless they needed to stay for a hardship reason but I don't know if that decision has officially been made.
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It's a mess either way. I know CU is going to try a hybrid approach and kids are moving into on campus housing.  If they have to leave housing they will have to leave Boulder, cause there isn't any off campus housing available at this point.

 
Appalachian State has postponed football practices indefinitely due to an 11-person virus cluster within the program, 7 players and 4 staff.

 
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At the schools that have football, are their other fall sports happening as well?  So all fall athletes are on campus?

 
facook said:
At the schools that have football, are their other fall sports happening as well?  So all fall athletes are on campus?
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If I understand correctly, that would have to be true because of Title IX correct?  I was going to get into the discussion here, but there is very little info out there on this situation where schools are shutting down and still planning on sports.  It's new and I don't think they've taken a close look at impact yet and what laws/regulations would actually require.  At a 10,000 level it seems a bit illogical to shutdown a campus to students but leave it open to athletes.  I'm trying to understand the nuance, but not having much luck.

 
The Commish said:
If I understand correctly, that would have to be true because of Title IX correct?  I was going to get into the discussion here, but there is very little info out there on this situation where schools are shutting down and still planning on sports.  It's new and I don't think they've taken a close look at impact yet and what laws/regulations would actually require.  At a 10,000 level it seems a bit illogical to shutdown a campus to students but leave it open to athletes.  I'm trying to understand the nuance, but not having much luck.
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The athletes will bring in money by being on campus and playing games.  The regular students can attend class from home and aren't required to be on campus

 
Ramblin Wreck said:
The Commish said:
If I understand correctly, that would have to be true because of Title IX correct?  I was going to get into the discussion here, but there is very little info out there on this situation where schools are shutting down and still planning on sports.  It's new and I don't think they've taken a close look at impact yet and what laws/regulations would actually require.  At a 10,000 level it seems a bit illogical to shutdown a campus to students but leave it open to athletes.  I'm trying to understand the nuance, but not having much luck.
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The athletes will bring in money by being on campus and playing games.  The regular students can attend class from home and aren't required to be on campus
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Correct, but I'm with Commish I think...to me at least it seems grossly unfair to allow football players to play their sport but not the athletes in other sports in the same season.  It goes back to what Cappy has been saying through this whole thing about amateurism.  I suppose the schools could just be saying "We need football and figure out the consequences of doing it this way later" but that seems incredibly short sighted if that is what schools are doing.  I WANT college football and think the entire sport could have played this fall, but it still is a strange look to be doing it this way.

 
Ramblin Wreck said:
The athletes will bring in money by being on campus and playing games.  The regular students can attend class from home and aren't required to be on campus
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Students being on campus brings money to campus (and surrounding towns) too and I guess it depends on what the rules end up being for the sports.  I haven't heard if fans will be allowed in the stands or what.  So the money aspect seems to be up in the air as well.  Still a lot is unknown.  I know and understand the desire to have sports back.  I'm trying to ignore the noise part of it where we list all the reasons we want things to be back and understand the rules/laws they have to operate under in order to have them back.  The "if we do A, then we have to also do x,y,z and that just doesn't make sense" part is what I'm looking for.  I think that's a big part of why the B1G decided to shut it down, but I can't find that stated anywhere.

 
The Commish said:
Students being on campus brings money to campus (and surrounding towns) too and I guess it depends on what the rules end up being for the sports.  I haven't heard if fans will be allowed in the stands or what.  So the money aspect seems to be up in the air as well.  Still a lot is unknown.  I know and understand the desire to have sports back.  I'm trying to ignore the noise part of it where we list all the reasons we want things to be back and understand the rules/laws they have to operate under in order to have them back.  The "if we do A, then we have to also do x,y,z and that just doesn't make sense" part is what I'm looking for.  I think that's a big part of why the B1G decided to shut it down, but I can't find that stated anywhere.
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The TV money is more than fans in the stands.  Each school is making decisions on fans based on their state rules.  GT just announced 20% capacity today, for example.  

I don't know what the clown running the B1G is doing but there clearly wasn't a 12-2 vote, he won't release the data he supposedly used to make a decision, and he's letting his own kid play in the SEC.  I'm guessing he doesn't have a job by the end of the month but who knows.

 
Ramblin Wreck said:
The TV money is more than fans in the stands.  Each school is making decisions on fans based on their state rules.  GT just announced 20% capacity today, for example.  

I don't know what the clown running the B1G is doing but there clearly wasn't a 12-2 vote, he won't release the data he supposedly used to make a decision, and he's letting his own kid play in the SEC.  I'm guessing he doesn't have a job by the end of the month but who knows.
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ok thanks

 
Ramblin Wreck said:
The TV money is more than fans in the stands.  Each school is making decisions on fans based on their state rules.  GT just announced 20% capacity today, for example.  

I don't know what the clown running the B1G is doing but there clearly wasn't a 12-2 vote, he won't release the data he supposedly used to make a decision, and he's letting his own kid play in the SEC.  I'm guessing he doesn't have a job by the end of the month but who knows.
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Isn't the B1G commissioner the one whose kids are playing?  But it was the presidents who voted not to play, and they are the ones with the power.  They just pushed him out in front of the media to be the mouthpiece.  I think.

 
facook said:
Isn't the B1G commissioner the one whose kids are playing?  But it was the presidents who voted not to play, and they are the ones with the power.  They just pushed him out in front of the media to be the mouthpiece.  I think.
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Well now there's question whether an actual vote occurred.  It was supposedly 12-2 but six B1G schools want to play (talking about playing home and home schedule with each other now) so something doesn't add up with the commish.  And yes his kid plays at Mississippi State.

 
Ramblin Wreck said:
Well now there's question whether an actual vote occurred.  It was supposedly 12-2 but six B1G schools want to play (talking about playing home and home schedule with each other now) so something doesn't add up with the commish.  And yes his kid plays at Mississippi State.
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I'm just saying it wasn't his decision, he's just the messenger of the presidents' decision.  Of course the kids and coaches want to play.  But it's not 6 presidents of B1G schools who are saying they want to play, is it?  It's the coaches/players.  I heard Finebaum on Kornheiser Monday and he was saying all of these decisions are being made by college presidents.  

ETA: I'm in no way saying I KNOW I'm right on this.  I'm more asking if I'm right.  :D

 
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Tiger Fan said:
FWIW - 

https://twitter.com/dhookstead/status/1296089088983019525?s=20

Ohio State, Penn State, Wisconsin, Michigan, Iowa and Nebraska are reportedly nearing an agreement to play their own football season starting in late September that would be 10 games. A source said it's "very close" to being a done deal. Let's go!
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I'm kind of indifferent on whether conferences should attempt to play but I do find it laughable that the teams included are only the decent to good programs - I guess Covid doesn't strike top-25 teams?

And to be fair - it could be the flip-side also - the crappy teams find it easier to say "we are looking out for the health of our student athletes."

The point being - just come out and say this is about money.

 
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Ocram said:
I'm kind of indifferent on whether conferences should attempt to play but I do find it laughable that the teams included are only the decent to good programs - I guess Covid doesn't strike top-25 teams?

And to be fair - it could be the flip-side also - the crappy teams find it easier to say "we are looking out for the health of our student athletes."

The point being - just come out and say this is about money.
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Its the players and the coaches driving this, so not sure them wanting to play is all money.

Of course the President's don't want to play due to liability issues. I doubt it was about player safety since most have students back on campus.

Bottom line, as many players have said, they feel safer in a "football" environment than with no football and being elsewhere.

 
Ocram said:
I'm kind of indifferent on whether conferences should attempt to play but I do find it laughable that the teams included are only the decent to good programs - I guess Covid doesn't strike top-25 teams?

And to be fair - it could be the flip-side also - the crappy teams find it easier to say "we are looking out for the health of our student athletes."

The point being - just come out and say this is about money.
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It''s certainly somewhat about that but it's also about NFL money. Those are the programs with the most players drafted each year. Missing a Fall season is bad for accomplishing your goal of getting drafted as high as you can. That's why the parents are so outspoken as well. 

 
Coach Morris Buttermaker said:
Its the players and the coaches driving this, so not sure them wanting to play is all money.

Of course the President's don't want to play due to liability issues. I doubt it was about player safety since most have students back on campus.

Bottom line, as many players have said, they feel safer in a "football" environment than with no football and being elsewhere.
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ConstruxBoy said:
It''s certainly somewhat about that but it's also about NFL money. Those are the programs with the most players drafted each year. Missing a Fall season is bad for accomplishing your goal of getting drafted as high as you can. That's why the parents are so outspoken as well. 
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Both of your posts just reinforces mine - I'm just saying it's all about money - College, NFL, players, Coaches, etc...

 
Capella said:
Is that a legit source? Can’t imagine that happens but that would be amazing. 
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I imagine this is the ADs getting together and trying to come up with this scaled down plan/schedule to see if it can be pulled off, because they ultimately need to take this to their presidents in order to get a sign off. 

So that's where I think no one should be getting ahead of themselves. 

 
Ocram said:
Both of your posts just reinforces mine - I'm just saying it's all about money - College, NFL, players, Coaches, etc...
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Mostly but there is a competitive driver with players and coaches, probably to some degree with parents.

 
Capella said:
Is that a legit source? Can’t imagine that happens but that would be amazing. 
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The Daily Caller IIRC usually does political news, so it's not some bat crap website.

I can see why Michigan would need convincing; why would want to get curb stomped by OSU TWICE in one year?  :lmao:

 
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Georgia State QB, in the midst of a QB battle in camp, will sit out this season, as he has been diagnosed with a heart condition likely related to his previous Covid infection.  Scary stuff.

Wonder what happens if this is a top QB at a top school, not just a Sun Belt player.

 
Steve Tasker said:
Georgia State QB, in the midst of a QB battle in camp, will sit out this season, as he has been diagnosed with a heart condition likely related to his previous Covid infection.  Scary stuff.

Wonder what happens if this is a top QB at a top school, not just a Sun Belt player.
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If the research goes the direction it is now, heart issues in athletes are going to be a major long term issue for them to deal with.  Issues don't appear to start and stop with myocarditis.  

 
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