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2021-22 NBA Thread: Bill Simmons furiously recording 2.5 hour long pod about how Boston is still better than Golden State (2 Viewers)

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Glad I'm able to enjoy this game without a rooting interest.  So many great plays in the last few minutes.  That Holiday block and possession retention was incredible.  

edit:  I feel for Boston fans.  Really tough loss to stomach.

 
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Bobby Bobby Bobby!!!!

Guy is just a legend in Milwaukeee

And then Jrue who has had an uneven game delivers on D twice to win that game.

What a crazy 2nd half.

 
I'm convinced GS just gets bored and loses focus half the time in the playoffs. They've been there, done that so many times now they need these wake up games every now and then to get interested again.

 
ShamrockPride said:
I'm convinced GS just gets bored and loses focus half the time in the playoffs. They've been there, done that so many times now they need these wake up games every now and then to get interested again.
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Here I was thinking that the game before this one was the wake up game

 
I dunno if it was all Smart that blew the game for the Celtics. I commented on this thread at halftime that even though Boston completely outplayed, outshot, and only had 2 turnovers in the first half—that they were only up by 7.   Even in the second half when they would make what seemed to be like big plays to try to extend the lead—they would routinely allow the Bucks to stay in the game by not getting back defensively.  If I remember right—there was a point in the 3rd or 4th—where Tatum drove in and made an emphatic driving dunk—to which the Bucks immediately hit a 3–the Celtics then hit another impressive 2 point bucket again —which was then immediately followed by another quick 3 by the Bucks.  The Celtics biggest problem is that they let the Bucks hang close enough to where a few big plays was enough to allow them to steal a game they really shouldn’t have won.  

 
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msudaisy26 said:
I am okay with these two teams playing 2 more series and whoever wins 2 series first is the champ. 
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Loving the series of course, but I'm not sure these two teams as currently constituted are better than, or even as good as, Suns/Warriors/Heat.

Khris Middleton being out means the Bucks team that has a 3-2 lead in this series is pretty clearly weaker, personnel-wise, than last year's version. That's the team that's playing the Cs to a draw.

 
Toby2ElectricBugaloo said:
Loving the series of course, but I'm not sure these two teams as currently constituted are better than, or even as good as, Suns/Warriors/Heat.

Khris Middleton being out means the Bucks team that has a 3-2 lead in this series is pretty clearly weaker, personnel-wise, than last year's version. That's the team that's playing the Cs to a draw.
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Winner of this series wins the title. 

 
jvdesigns2002 said:
I dunno if it was all Smart that blew the game for the Celtics. I commented on this thread at halftime that even though Boston completely outplayed, outshot, and only had 2 turnovers in the first half—that they were only up by 7.   Even in the second half when they would make what seemed to be like big plays to try to extend the lead—they would routinely allow the Bucks to stay in the game by not getting back defensively.  If I remember right—there was a point in the 3rd or 4th—where Tatum drove in and made an emphatic driving dunk—to which the Bucks immediately hit a 3–the Celtics then hit another impressive 2 point bucket again —which was then immediately followed by another quick 3 by the Bucks.  The Celtics biggest problem is that they let the Bucks hang close enough to where a few big plays was enough to allow them to steal a game they really shouldn’t have won.  
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Saw several occasions where Tatum/Brown/Williams didn't get back on defense specifically because they were too busy barking at the refs.

 
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gruecd said:
Winner of this series wins the title. 
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Well, sure, now that the Bucks are winning it 3-2 and should get MIddleton back at some point ;)

Seriously, Bucks vs Suns or Warriors would be a tremendous Finals IMO.  I still like the Suns, but Warriors-Bucks seems like the most entertaining possible matchup of the remaining teams.

 
Toby2ElectricBugaloo said:
Well, sure, now that the Bucks are winning it 3-2 and should get MIddleton back at some point ;)

Seriously, Bucks vs Suns or Warriors would be a tremendous Finals IMO.  I still like the Suns, but Warriors-Bucks seems like the most entertaining possible matchup of the remaining teams.
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I love the Warriors team, but I am kind of over them. Would like to see some new blood in there. So maybe Mavs/Heat or Grizz/Celts would be most excellent

 
The shots of blood streaming down Giannis' cheek will be shown a million times. Such a perfect visual for this series.

 
the moops said:
I love the Warriors team, but I am kind of over them. Would like to see some new blood in there. So maybe Mavs/Heat or Grizz/Celts would be most excellent
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Grizz would be amazing, I think I dismissed them bc I just don't see it happening.

I hear you on the Warriors, but their core is getting pretty old. Might be our last shot to see them matched up against Giannis, a matchup I suspect will look incredible in a few weeks and even more so in a few decades.

 
gruecd said:
Saw several occasions where Tatum/Brown/Williams didn't get back on defense specifically because they were too busy barking at the refs.
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What a bunch of complainers.  Tatum hit the deck at least twice on made 4th quarter jumpers when noone touched him, trying to draw an and 1.  Hard to play D when you are on the ground or barking at the refs.

 
Holiday’s play on the final possession brought back the memory of his rip on Booker + alley oop to Giannis in the closing seconds to seal game 5 last season.  It probably helped that he could risk a foul, being up 3, but getting the clean steal in those situations is extraordinary. 
 

 
So, last night had church stuff so recorded and watched the Celtics game late.

I was anxious the whole 4th quarter because even when it seemed like the Celtics did something well, Milwaukee did something better and the lead just kept dwindling.  As soon as I saw the end, I just shut the TV off, turned off all the lights and went to bed.  One of the most frustrating things I've ever watched.

@ShamrockPride was saying the same things I was yelling at the TV, their shot selection last night was horrible.  A TON of early shot clock, single or no pass threes jacked up and came up with empty possessions which kept the game too close.  Udoka has got to reign that crap in.  They work the ball on even 3-4 of those possessions and get a bucket or 2, and we are celebrating today.  Yes, some TO's and offensive rebounds are an issue, but the Bucks will do that to you and they have to live with that because there is little you can do about it without sacrificing too much elsewhere.  But the terrible, early 3's are a mental mistake that is easily correctable.

Smart played great for 3.5 quarters.  For most of the game he was tremendous, playing great defense and making the right play on offense.  He was taking open threes after the ball had moved a bunch and was consistent.  As great as Tatum can be and was at times, he shot us into a close game and wasn't efficient as he used 34 possessions to get his 34 pts.

But the absolute worst Celtic tonight was Grant Williams.  In 30 minutes, he was 0/3 with 2 rebounds and 2 TO's.  He had a bunny blocked at the rim by Grayson Allen after a great feed from White (who played well again) and missed 2 open looks from 3.  He didn't have any stellar defensive plays and ended up with 4 fouls and was -11 for the game.  Easily his worst game of the series and made enough negative plays that I put this on him more than anyone. 

I'm feeling judgmental today after gut punched in the gut last night.  Here are my grades for everyone on Boston who played last night:

  • Jayson Tatum - C+, this may be harsh as he got the points going, but only 6 rbds and 34 pts on 40% usage is just too inefficient for a superstar in a big playoff game.  He needed to be just slightly better for us to win this game.
  • Al Horford - B, he was fairly efficient, but had a limited impact.  We needed at least 10 rbds from him and he only got 8 in over 40 minutes.  He had a couple of really good defensive plays, and he was good but not great.
  • Marcus Smart - B-, again, he played really well for 3.5 quarters, but his late game actions choked it away.  Only 1 assist is not enough from him either.
  • Jaylen Brown - A-, he played the best out of the starters.  He had a couple of those "small hands" turnovers where he just can't hang onto the dang thing under pressure and is ineffective when he gets switched onto Giannis on defense, but he was good everywhere else and chipped in 8 boards and was efficient on offense.  He was 3/5 from the line and one of those misses was costly late in the 4th.
  • Grant Williams - D, only thing that saved him from getting an F was the fact that the Bucks shied away from him in the 1/2 court and he made a couple of solid plays on defense, but they didn't challenge him very often.  Offensively he was a costly liability and had the worst +/- on the team.
  • Derrick White - A, he did his job very well, was efficient scoring, rebounded and defended well.  Probably our best player last night and led the team at +8 over 32 minutes.
  • Daniel Theis - A-, Had a perfect game offensively, but he was a liability on defense vs Giannis which is why he only played 11 minutes.
  • Payton Pritchard - B+, he played well for his limited role (<10min).  Got 2 big buckets in the 4th and grabbed a couple of long rebounds. They just can't play him for long stretches because he'll get abused on defense.
Boston should have won this game.  Credit to the Bucks as Giannis was stellar again (his 2 made 3's were huge) and Jrue made the plays on both end they needed.  They ground it out and took it from the Celtics any time they lost focus.  I wish I didn't care so much about the Celtics and could just enjoy the greatness of the Bucks, but I'm too frustrated by Boston's mistakes to enjoy it right now.  Still holding out hope for a 7th game victory, but feeling very deflated right now.  Whoever wins this series is who I'm rooting for the rest of the way.

 
Toby2ElectricBugaloo said:
Loving the series of course, but I'm not sure these two teams as currently constituted are better than, or even as good as, Suns/Warriors/Heat.

Khris Middleton being out means the Bucks team that has a 3-2 lead in this series is pretty clearly weaker, personnel-wise, than last year's version. That's the team that's playing the Cs to a draw.
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I will give you the Suns, but Warriors and Heat have both had extreme easy paths to the conference finals assuming they finish these series and they look awful at times. If the Grizz weren't so young and dumb they would be up in this series right and 76ers would probably be up as well if Embiid was there the first 2 games. 

Everytime I watch either team I get more convinced neither team has a chance next round. I only hold slight hope for the Warriors because they have won before and they might be able to turn it on and off when needed, but I am not confident in saying that. 

 
msudaisy26 said:
I will give you the Suns, but Warriors and Heat have both had extreme easy paths to the conference finals assuming they finish these series and they look awful at times. If the Grizz weren't so young and dumb they would be up in this series right and 76ers would probably be up as well if Embiid was there the first 2 games. 

Everytime I watch either team I get more convinced neither team has a chance next round. I only hold slight hope for the Warriors because they have won before and they might be able to turn it on and off when needed, but I am not confident in saying that. 
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The difference in quality of basketball from the Bucks/Celtics to the other series is noticeable.  Phoenix and Dallas have their moments, but just don't seem as consistently good and none of the games have gone down to the wire.  I honestly don't know what to think of Miami and think they can win 2 games against the BOS/MIL winner, but just don't think they can win that series.  Spo is the best coach left in the East, though and they have depth, shooting and defense so they aren't exactly a long shot.

I didn't watch any of the GS/MEM game last night, but WTF Warriors?

 
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