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2021-22 NBA Thread: Bill Simmons furiously recording 2.5 hour long pod about how Boston is still better than Golden State (1 Viewer)

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Alex P Keaton said:
The Celts shot 34% to the Warriors 22% on threes.  That isn’t why the Celts lost tonight.
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Look at the results of the first 5 games of the series. So far—there is a direct correlation between the team that wins the points in the paint battle being the team that wins the game.  I know the 3 point shot is sexy and all—but you still have to couple those with attacking the rim and getting some easy buckets. Look at Wiggins tonight.  He was a huge part of why the Warriors won and he was horrendous from 3 tonight.  

 
jvdesigns2002 said:
Look at the results of the first 5 games of the series. So far—there is a direct correlation between the team that wins the points in the paint battle being the team that wins the game.  I know the 3 point shot is sexy and all—but you still have to couple those with attacking the rim and getting some easy buckets. Look at Wiggins tonight.  He was a huge part of why the Warriors won and he was horrendous from 3 tonight.  
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Yeah Wiggins has been the key the past 2 games, idk what Kerr or Celtics have or haven't done with adjustments games 4 & 5, but to go from a 6 rebound avg games 1-3, all the way up to 14.5 over the last 2 is massively significant.

 
ShamrockPride said:
Yeah Wiggins has been the key the past 2 games, idk what Kerr or Celtics have or haven't done with adjustments games 4 & 5, but to go from a 6 rebound avg games 1-3, all the way up to 14.5 over the last 2 is massively significant.
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His rebounding and defense have absolutely been huge.  However—what’s also been huge is that he’s giving them a huge presence in the paint offensively.  His ability to attack the rim and get close to the rim on the offensive end is vital for them. Ask any shooter—the easiest three point shot is one where you receive a pass or a hockey pass as a result of penetration.  Wiggins is not a big guy—but he’s playing like a big guy on the offensive end. As somebody else mentioned—if the Warriors win the series—his name needs to be in the conversation of Finals MVP.  I know people love Steph—but Wiggins has been exceptional imo. 

 
Wikkid coulda been on to something.

Apparently a local Boston reporter got word Tatum is playing through a torn shoulder

Hasn't gained much traction, so make of it what you will, but something to think about.

 
Charlie Harper said:
So what's the point in bringing it up whenever the Celtics lose?
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Strange hill to die on, dude.  When you turn the ball over, you aren’t scoring points and often end up creating points for your opponent.  If you score less points than your opponent, you lose.  So when you have a lot of turnovers in a loss, it’s probably related.

 
Did you think it looked like something was wrong with Curry’s index finger on the sidelines in the 4th?  Looked to me he was complaining about the tip of his finger to someone potentially.  

 
Leeroy Jenkins said:
Did you think it looked like something was wrong with Curry’s index finger on the sidelines in the 4th?  Looked to me he was complaining about the tip of his finger to someone potentially.  
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yeah, he was talking to that white haired, white coach about it.

he was almost looking at it like a pitcher with a blister does.

 
After a night of mourning what was another gut-wrenching loss, here are my thoughts from last night:

  • I don't understand how Boston is SO inconsistent.  I get you won't always shoot well, but the team in the 1st and 4th quarters didn't look like the team in the 2nd and 3rd quarters.  Like maddeningly ugly basketball for half the game and then some of the most beautiful and efficient offense/defense you've ever seen for a quarter.  Like no middle ground, just great or terrible.
  • Robert Williams seemed sluggish on defense and didn't seem to alter many shots.  Several times guys put it right up in his face and he didn't even challenge the shot.  Not sure if he was tired or sore or what, but he was not his usual self on defense last night, especially in the 1st quarter.
  • Al Horford hasn't done much since game 1.  He really isn't very active on both ends like he was in the earlier series' and I'm not sure what it is, but he is a non-factor for long stretches.  His rebounding and positioning are there, but to be a such a non-factor on offense for 4 straight games is uncharacteristic.
  • My only gripe with the refs was the T on Udoka & Smart followed by the non-T on Draymond for literally following Tatum to the bench after the ball.  In a game with that much emotion, they dropped an early T on Udoka for simply talking to the official (it appeared he was trying to say he was "out of the coaching box" because they kept looking at the floor and arguing about it and he absolutely wasn't out of the box).  But then Draymond can chase a player all the way into the opposing bench for no reason after a timeout and nearly start a fight, but gets nothing.  I was yelling at the TV for him to get a T and I don't get why it wasn't.  It was straight BS and the same taunting, ####-stirring crap he got away with in game 2. If Udoka and Smart get T's, he should have too.
  • Draymond's 6th foul was absolutely a foul.  Maybe could have been on Curry first, but you can't move forward into a shooter from behind and make ANY contact because you aren't in a legal guarding position plus not vertical if you jump into him.  Draymond jumped into him and bumped him on his back shoulder.  It was slight contact, but that is a foul all day long at every level.
  • My goodness the turnovers.  Is Golden State playing great defense?  Absolutely.  Is Boston being careless and making foolish plays?  Absolutely.  I don't understand how a guy who has played basketball his entire life and at such a high level can have such weak-### hands when driving/catching/passing as Jaylen Brown.  Even when he doesn't turn it over, he is constantly muffing the ball when trying to catch, losing track of his dribble or getting his passes tipped.  He was horrendous last night.  Tatum and Smart had bad stretches too, but Brown's handle just looked ugly all game. 13 TO's between the 3 of them is awful.
I don't think they can turn it around.  I hope I'm wrong, but they look so lost right now and completely flummoxed on offense.  Their defense has been fine, but their offense is killing them in these losses between turnovers and missed FT's and bad stretches where they can't seem to get a decent shot off.  I thought they would be able to pull it together these last two games and win it in 5, I honestly did.  Now I think they are too weak mentally and have to go through the failure before they can win a title...but the road is going to be tougher next year and can't count on Middleton being out for the Bucks and the Nets may figure things out next year also.

 
offdee said:
Amazing streak.  You could totally see the last couple minutes of the game he was well aware he didn't have a 3 yet and was really pressing to make one.  Any sliver of opening and that thing was going up.
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I thought there were going to run a play for him at the end just to get him another shot.  I was kinda surprised they took him out of the game early without giving him more opportunities at a 3. 

 
ShamrockPride said:
Idk, you should ask the people that regularly do that.
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The turnover talk might be directed at me.  I stand behind it

Turnovers were generally caused by the Celtics, not the Warriors.  Dumb dumb plays all night long.  This tweet has many of them

https://twitter.com/ChrisForsberg_/status/1536714154328875009?s=20&t=XhPPw1VDeRyLpUBQt1mwqA

There's a reason they keep flashing the stat on the games (Celts record with 15 or fewer turnovers vs more).  You can't turn the ball over 15+ times and expect to win.  You might as well just give the other team a 10 point head start.  

Warriors are playing good but not great defense.  They get credit for some turnovers, but too many are directly on sloppy play by the Celtics and unforced.  It's ok to point it out and it's not a slight to the Warriors, but rather something the Celtics either clean up or spend the offseason playing back in their minds late at night wondering 'what if...'

 
wilked said:
The turnover talk might be directed at me.  I stand behind it

Turnovers were generally caused by the Celtics, not the Warriors.  Dumb dumb plays all night long.  This tweet has many of them

https://twitter.com/ChrisForsberg_/status/1536714154328875009?s=20&t=XhPPw1VDeRyLpUBQt1mwqA

There's a reason they keep flashing the stat on the games (Celts record with 15 or fewer turnovers vs more).  You can't turn the ball over 15+ times and expect to win.  You might as well just give the other team a 10 point head start.  

Warriors are playing good but not great defense.  They get credit for some turnovers, but too many are directly on sloppy play by the Celtics and unforced.  It's ok to point it out and it's not a slight to the Warriors, but rather something the Celtics either clean up or spend the offseason playing back in their minds late at night wondering 'what if...'
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I thought those were mostly, if not all good plays by the Warriors.  Just the first 3, Tatum funneled left, had to pass with his inside hand, Brown funneled left, tries to wing it out with his left and it is wasy off, Smart cut off to his right loses it spinning back to his left (might be a theme here).  The Tatum travel created by good GS defense, Brown gets his pocket picked by Peyton, Brown with another errant pass going to his left.  Can't see the transition TO but Green looks to make a great contest going vertical forcing the miss/TO (can't tell because the screen blurs)

 
on the turnovers - Kerr's a fanatic for keeping opponents off their best hand, both Curry & Thompson know how to make players think they got a path that isnt really there and the Celtics pick lazily (and TimeLord aint even doing his high picks since the knee) so the adjustments dont come. plus, JB's hands are the same size as an ex-president

 
Jayrod said:
After a night of mourning what was another gut-wrenching loss, here are my thoughts from last night:

  • I don't understand how Boston is SO inconsistent.  I get you won't always shoot well, but the team in the 1st and 4th quarters didn't look like the team in the 2nd and 3rd quarters.  Like maddeningly ugly basketball for half the game and then some of the most beautiful and efficient offense/defense you've ever seen for a quarter.  Like no middle ground, just great or terrible.
  • Robert Williams seemed sluggish on defense and didn't seem to alter many shots.  Several times guys put it right up in his face and he didn't even challenge the shot.  Not sure if he was tired or sore or what, but he was not his usual self on defense last night, especially in the 1st quarter.
  • Al Horford hasn't done much since game 1.  He really isn't very active on both ends like he was in the earlier series' and I'm not sure what it is, but he is a non-factor for long stretches.  His rebounding and positioning are there, but to be a such a non-factor on offense for 4 straight games is uncharacteristic.
  • My only gripe with the refs was the T on Udoka & Smart followed by the non-T on Draymond for literally following Tatum to the bench after the ball.  In a game with that much emotion, they dropped an early T on Udoka for simply talking to the official (it appeared he was trying to say he was "out of the coaching box" because they kept looking at the floor and arguing about it and he absolutely wasn't out of the box).  But then Draymond can chase a player all the way into the opposing bench for no reason after a timeout and nearly start a fight, but gets nothing.  I was yelling at the TV for him to get a T and I don't get why it wasn't.  It was straight BS and the same taunting, ####-stirring crap he got away with in game 2. If Udoka and Smart get T's, he should have too.
  • Draymond's 6th foul was absolutely a foul.  Maybe could have been on Curry first, but you can't move forward into a shooter from behind and make ANY contact because you aren't in a legal guarding position plus not vertical if you jump into him.  Draymond jumped into him and bumped him on his back shoulder.  It was slight contact, but that is a foul all day long at every level.
  • My goodness the turnovers.  Is Golden State playing great defense?  Absolutely.  Is Boston being careless and making foolish plays?  Absolutely.  I don't understand how a guy who has played basketball his entire life and at such a high level can have such weak-### hands when driving/catching/passing as Jaylen Brown.  Even when he doesn't turn it over, he is constantly muffing the ball when trying to catch, losing track of his dribble or getting his passes tipped.  He was horrendous last night.  Tatum and Smart had bad stretches too, but Brown's handle just looked ugly all game. 13 TO's between the 3 of them is awful.
I don't think they can turn it around.  I hope I'm wrong, but they look so lost right now and completely flummoxed on offense.  Their defense has been fine, but their offense is killing them in these losses between turnovers and missed FT's and bad stretches where they can't seem to get a decent shot off.  I thought they would be able to pull it together these last two games and win it in 5, I honestly did.  Now I think they are too weak mentally and have to go through the failure before they can win a title...but the road is going to be tougher next year and can't count on Middleton being out for the Bucks and the Nets may figure things out next year also.
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The big difference between the teams on offense is that, when GSW gets BOS in the spin cycle, they aren't just looking for the extra pass or to attack the feet on the closeout.  They will back cut guys while BOS is trying to recover (Payton is excellent at this btw) instead of relying on the open 3 or penetration.

Udoka was absolutely out of the box on the technical.  The box goes to the hash line and he was practically at half court.  You can see Davis tell him to get back and he continues to walk forward complaining to Tiven about the call.  As far as Green, what exactly are you T-ing him up for?  Did he say anything or was he just trying to prevent Tatum from taking a practice shot after the whistle?

I wouldn't say that's a foul all day long.  I think the majority of the time it's a no call and has been in these playoffs.  A lot of the time players think they are vertical when they are not and that was the case here.  He didn't travel to far off his spot going up and they could have given the foul to Curry in this instance.

Agree with the off hands.  BOS has been getting away with not having a single, what I would call above average ball handler on their squad, even taking into account position. I am kind of flabbergasted that Brown can hit those wrap around lefty lay ups that spin off the glass but seems to have zero feel for the ball putting it on the floor to his left.  Reminds me of my college coach "If you cut off his right arm he'll dribble with his head!!!"

 
And yeah, Curry had a bad night but the gravity he has out there, even on a night like that makes his teammates better.  Just look at the paint when GSW, Wiggins and Poole in particular, drive the lane and there is maybe one help defender en route.  On the other side you have at least one Warrior waiting there (when BOS attacks to the right).  They had the one sideline OB where Curry comes off a zipper cut, two defenders go with him (on an off ball cut) and Smart rotates into the middle of the lane losing vision on GP2 who cuts to the basket for a lay up.

 
wikkidpissah said:
on the turnovers - Kerr's a fanatic for keeping opponents off their best hand, both Curry & Thompson know how to make players think they got a path that isnt really there and the Celtics pick lazily (and TimeLord aint even doing his high picks since the knee) so the adjustments dont come. plus, JB's hands are the same size as an ex-president
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I don't know if it lazy so much as carelessness on the picks.  They are trying to mix it up with mutiple picks, screening the screener so he can arrive alone, and setting ghost screens, mainly to keep GS from switching back or preswitching.  I think with those big bodies they should just be setting solid screens and get guys going downhill.  It's difficult though when the opponent can anticipate which side of pick you want to use.

 
Navin Johnson said:
I don't know if it lazy so much as carelessness on the picks.  They are trying to mix it up with mutiple picks, screening the screener so he can arrive alone, and setting ghost screens, mainly to keep GS from switching back or preswitching.  I think with those big bodies they should just be setting solid screens and get guys going downhill.  It's difficult though when the opponent can anticipate which side of pick you want to use.
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the lazy picks are a style, not a fault - footwork is most of what the Celts do. unfortunately they arent substantial enough to correct the Dubs' overplays

 
Navin Johnson said:
Udoka was absolutely out of the box on the technical.  The box goes to the hash line and he was practically at half court.  You can see Davis tell him to get back and he continues to walk forward complaining to Tiven about the call.  As far as Green, what exactly are you T-ing him up for?  Did he say anything or was he just trying to prevent Tatum from taking a practice shot after the whistle?
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Incorrect, it goes to the substitution line which is much further up...almost to half court.  And the rulebook only really specifies a deadball technical on a coach for crossing half court.

Per the rulebook:  "The coach’s position may be on or off the bench from the substitution box line (closest to the coach’s bench) to the baseline. A coach is not permitted to cross the midcourt line and violators will be assessed an unsportsmanlike technical foul immediately. All assistants and trainers must remain on the bench. Coaches and trainers are not permitted to go to the scorer’s table, for any reason, except during a dead ball."  

It was a dead ball situation and a poor technical compared to what every other NBA coach is allowed to do, especially in game 5 of the NBA Finals.  Very quick trigger to hit a head coach with a T for what wasn't even a heated exchange in the first quarter.  Seems like a really weird time to suddenly get very technical on enforcing the coach's box, which seemed the incorrect ruling based on the video where at the 0:22 mark you can see the coach's box line to the left of the referee.

Later in the 4th, Tony Brothers came at Udoka yelling at him during a timeout.  For all of the junk they let Draymond get away with throughout the series, these actions toward a head coach are very, very odd.  It is like the refs came into the game with an axe to grind with Udoka.  This is the NBA Finals.  The pinnacle of the sport, and they were strangely confrontational with the head coach and followed it up with a technical of Smart, which wasn't any worse than what Warriors did throughout the remainder of the game.  Very strange sequence of events for a game of this magnitude.

Also, Draymond's 6th foul was contact to the back of an airborne shooter initiated by the defender and is always a foul.

 
Jayrod said:
Incorrect, it goes to the substitution line which is much further up...almost to half court.  And the rulebook only really specifies a deadball technical on a coach for crossing half court.

Per the rulebook:  "The coach’s position may be on or off the bench from the substitution box line (closest to the coach’s bench) to the baseline. A coach is not permitted to cross the midcourt line and violators will be assessed an unsportsmanlike technical foul immediately. All assistants and trainers must remain on the bench. Coaches and trainers are not permitted to go to the scorer’s table, for any reason, except during a dead ball."  

It was a dead ball situation and a poor technical compared to what every other NBA coach is allowed to do, especially in game 5 of the NBA Finals.  Very quick trigger to hit a head coach with a T for what wasn't even a heated exchange in the first quarter.  Seems like a really weird time to suddenly get very technical on enforcing the coach's box, which seemed the incorrect ruling based on the video where at the 0:22 mark you can see the coach's box line to the left of the referee.

Later in the 4th, Tony Brothers came at Udoka yelling at him during a timeout.  For all of the junk they let Draymond get away with throughout the series, these actions toward a head coach are very, very odd.  It is like the refs came into the game with an axe to grind with Udoka.  This is the NBA Finals.  The pinnacle of the sport, and they were strangely confrontational with the head coach and followed it up with a technical of Smart, which wasn't any worse than what Warriors did throughout the remainder of the game.  Very strange sequence of events for a game of this magnitude.

Also, Draymond's 6th foul was contact to the back of an airborne shooter initiated by the defender and is always a foul.
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He did hit him just as he passed the line, after he told him to step back as they were going to review the timing on the foul but he was in the sub box.

Odd way to grind an axe against a team, more than doubling them up on FTA's and calling 12 more fouls the other way.

 
Navin Johnson said:
He did hit him just as he passed the line, after he told him to step back as they were going to review the timing on the foul but he was in the sub box.

Odd way to grind an axe against a team, more than doubling them up on FTA's and calling 12 more fouls the other way.
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Wrong line. That's the 28 ft line you are looking at which has no relation to the coaches box.  He never reached the end of the coaches box.

And I'm talking about the technical fouls.  Not saying they were throwing the game so I don't care about foul counts and FT attempts.  They let their personal feelings toward the Celtics come out with that T on Udoka and on Smart. I've seen 10 x's as much go uncalled in the earlier rounds and to call that stuff in the Finals is very, very odd. 

 
Jayrod said:
Wrong line. That's the 28 ft line you are looking at which has no relation to the coaches box.  He never reached the end of the coaches box.

And I'm talking about the technical fouls.  Not saying they were throwing the game so I don't care about foul counts and FT attempts.  They let their personal feelings toward the Celtics come out with that T on Udoka and on Smart. I've seen 10 x's as much go uncalled in the earlier rounds and to call that stuff in the Finals is very, very odd. 
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10x huh? So what did Udoka say? Smart? 

And it is the correct line. The line you referenced earlier, to the left of the referee, is to the left of the logo, making it the end of Warriors coaching box. Either way, he was instructed by Davis to stay back so they could proceed with the review and he ignored the request. 

 
I chuckled and shook my head when they showed Udoka clearly mouthing "Just stop it !" to Grant Williams after one of his thousand cry sessions to the refs about being fouled.   Like a father talking to a little kid who's acting out at a kids birthday party.

 
Navin Johnson said:
And it is the correct line. The line you referenced earlier, to the left of the referee, is to the left of the logo, making it the end of Warriors coaching box. Either way, he was instructed by Davis to stay back so they could proceed with the review and he ignored the request. 
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OK, you are right, after closer inspection I do see the Celtics line.  Udoka was blocking it and I missed it the first time because he is basically standing right at it when the camera pans back because he was about 6 inches past it when the T was called.

Still seems like a perfectly valid and normal technical foul for the 1st quarter of game 5 of the NBA finals, a coach being exactly 1 step outside of the box while speaking calmly to the official. :rolleyes:  I get he told him to get back and was ignored, but that is a VERY quick trigger for a Finals game.  Hell, that's a quick trigger for a High School game.  If I called that in a big regular season high school game, I'm probably getting a call from my supervisor about giving the coaches a longer leash in big games.

My point still stands, that is a very weak call and the way Brothers went after Udoka yelling at him in the 4th quarter while letting Draymond stir #### right in the middle of the Celtics bench with no consequence was very inconsistent game management and seems like that crew just doesn't like the Celtics.

 
offdee said:
I chuckled and shook my head when they showed Udoka clearly mouthing "Just stop it !" to Grant Williams after one of his thousand cry sessions to the refs about being fouled.   Like a father talking to a little kid who's acting out at a kids birthday party.
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that guy has gone from just kind of annoying to maybe the least likable player in the NBA based solely on his performance on the playoff stage

recency bias maybe, but i can't recall another player spending this much time complaining about every. single. thing. that happens on every possession.

 
mr. furley said:
that guy has gone from just kind of annoying to maybe the least likable player in the NBA based solely on his performance on the playoff stage

recency bias maybe, but i can't recall another player spending this much time complaining about every. single. thing. that happens on every possession.
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It's really ridiculous.  Even when he isn't in the game, watch him on the sidelines....every play he's pointing at something and yelling for a foul for his teammates.   Dude is addicted to it at this point, I think.

 
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It's really ridiculous.  Even when he isn't in the game, watch him on the sidelines....every play he's pointing at something and yelling for a foul for his teammates.   Dude is addicted to it at this point, I think.
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forget which guest on the Simmons podcast it was but the guy was a fan of one of the SEC teams... he said something about how glad he was that Williams was out of their league and now NBA fans could share in the pain of everyone who watched SEC basketball for the past years.

sounds like he's been this same guy all through college as well

it's absurdly bad

 
Craig_MiamiFL said:
Dallas got Wood.
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The Dallas Mavericks have agreed to trade the No. 26 overall pick in the 2022 NBA Draft, Boban Marjanovic, Trey Burke, Marquese Chriss and Sterling Brown to the Houston Rockets in exchange for Christian Wood, according to Shams Charania

Not a bad player for them, but not sure it pushes them up. Depends on what else they do and what the Lakers, Grizzlies, Suns etc do as well. 

 
Jayrod said:
OK, you are right, after closer inspection I do see the Celtics line.  Udoka was blocking it and I missed it the first time because he is basically standing right at it when the camera pans back because he was about 6 inches past it when the T was called.

Still seems like a perfectly valid and normal technical foul for the 1st quarter of game 5 of the NBA finals, a coach being exactly 1 step outside of the box while speaking calmly to the official. :rolleyes:  I get he told him to get back and was ignored, but that is a VERY quick trigger for a Finals game.  Hell, that's a quick trigger for a High School game.  If I called that in a big regular season high school game, I'm probably getting a call from my supervisor about giving the coaches a longer leash in big games.

My point still stands, that is a very weak call and the way Brothers went after Udoka yelling at him in the 4th quarter while letting Draymond stir #### right in the middle of the Celtics bench with no consequence was very inconsistent game management and seems like that crew just doesn't like the Celtics.
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I disagree.  There is no reason to discuss the call at that point because they are going to review it on the monitor.  It will either be overturned or he will be able to discuss it with the trail while the FT's are being attempted.  A tech in the NBA  is not really as big of a deal as you are making it out to be.  It's 1 FT.

Hoow exactly was Green stirring up #### and why are you singling him out when GP2 was right next to him the whole way?  He wasn't allowing Tatum to take a practice shot going into the break.  This happens all the time but in this instance Tatum took the ball with him and they followed him to make sure he didn't take a shot.  No words were exchanged and they stayed on the playing field.

 
Navin Johnson said:
I disagree.  There is no reason to discuss the call at that point because they are going to review it on the monitor.  It will either be overturned or he will be able to discuss it with the trail while the FT's are being attempted.  A tech in the NBA  is not really as big of a deal as you are making it out to be.  It's 1 FT.

Hoow exactly was Green stirring up #### and why are you singling him out when GP2 was right next to him the whole way?  He wasn't allowing Tatum to take a practice shot going into the break.  This happens all the time but in this instance Tatum took the ball with him and they followed him to make sure he didn't take a shot.  No words were exchanged and they stayed on the playing field.
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Both no real big deal

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Navin Johnson said:
I disagree.  There is no reason to discuss the call at that point because they are going to review it on the monitor.  It will either be overturned or he will be able to discuss it with the trail while the FT's are being attempted.  A tech in the NBA  is not really as big of a deal as you are making it out to be.  It's 1 FT.

Hoow exactly was Green stirring up #### and why are you singling him out when GP2 was right next to him the whole way?  He wasn't allowing Tatum to take a practice shot going into the break.  This happens all the time but in this instance Tatum took the ball with him and they followed him to make sure he didn't take a shot.  No words were exchanged and they stayed on the playing field.
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:lmao:  

Now you are just being ignorant on purpose.

There is never a "reason" to discuss a call, but discussing a call is never a T in the first quarter if done in a calm manor.  Especially in game 5 of the Finals.

And Green followed him: 1) out of bounds and 2) to the bench so he did not stay "on the playing field" and actually made physical contact trying to impede his path.  I'm calling out Green because he was more in front of Tatum and actually trying to block him from going to where he wanted to go and put his hands on him.  GP was following him.

My point is that they are either both NOT technicals (my preferred opinion in this instance) or both ARE technicals.  Giving one to Udoka and then not one to Green is inconsistent and where my gripe lies.

With that in mind and the way that Brothers apparently went after Udoka later in the game shows me these guys were inconsistent in their handling of the teams and lost their cool on the largest stage in the sport.  I am a HS ref and generally defend them and very much get the difficulty of the job, but it deserves calling out as these are the absolute most important basketball games of the year in the world.  These guys are supposed to be the very best and they absolutely failed here.  I kid you not, had I done in a regular season HS game what they did in this game, I would have had a call from my assigner about what I could have done differently and I make only $75/game and it is not televised.  The game management was very poorly handled from a basic officiating standpoint.

 
identikit said:
Both no real big deals

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I agree, hence my gripe.  If one is a T, they both are.

Note I'm not brining up Smart's technical because he probably deserved it at that point.  But Udoka's in the first made no sense and I freaked out at the time and have simply solidified my stance the more I've thought about it and reviewed it.  It was a horrible call and effected the tone of the game.

 
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