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Jayded
Footballguy
I really hope Caserio is proactively doing that very thing. I’m confused why they are digging the trash pile with Bell and Freeman instead of either calling a team like the Texans or going after a FA like Murray.GregR said:
Ship them Johnson or Ingram for whichever gets us a higher round pick and reap the rewards.
dhockster
Footballguy
Better than I expected actually
Well, the unwritten part of that deal is the the Texans are paying most of Roby's salary this year. So they basically bought a third round pick. However, since salary cap is something the Texans won't have to worry about for a while, once they trade Deshaun Watson, that was a smart move. Now, hopefully Caserio is better with 3rd round picks than O'Brien was lol.
Or Rick Smith for that matter. We’d be here for days if we made a list of wasted 3rd round picks.
dhockster
Footballguy
You are right, going back to 2013, it is mostly Rick Smith, a little Brian Gaine, and O'Brien. Here are the third round picks since 2013 (not including Nico Collins this year):
- Brennan Williams
- Sam Montgomery
- C.J. Fiedorowicz
- Louis Nix
- Jaelen Strong
- Braxton Miller
- D'Onta Foreman
- Justin Reid
- Martinas Rankin
- Jordan Akins
- Kahale Warring
- Johathan Greenard
GregR
Footballguy
Yes but I'd be a little cautious. I think for the running game he seems like the lead but maybe not so much on passing downs. Which, if they aren't playing with a lead, might be more of the latter than the former.
GregR
Footballguy
KIng led the team in tackles, but Andre Roberts handled every punt and kickoff that I remember.
GregR
Footballguy
TVT 0 N S T A
Footballguy
GregR
Footballguy
Just Jacksonville beaters.You a Texans fan? Definitely got some world beaters on the team
Manster
Footballguy
That's the NFL for ya..... apparently Houstons not as bad as everyone made em out to be....at least this week
GregR
Footballguy
Do you mean "plays" instead of "carries"? For carries, Ingram had 26, Lindsay 8 and David Johnson 3.
I'm not sure if they had equal amounts of plays or not, but it's probably a lot closer than carries.
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TVT 0 N S T A
Footballguy
Don't think anyone was taking Jacksonville, their dog#### coach and old ### Carlos Hyde for a dub, but I've not been paying close attention to the Texans thread.Just Jacksonville beaters.
GregR
Footballguy
Nico Collins was put on IR as well. Amendola also likely out 2-3 weeks. Veasy may play as a result.
Justin Reid had a knee issue and was held out during the game for precautionary reasons according to Culley, but he and Mitchell (concussion) weren't part of the walkthrough, nor was Grugier-Hill at LB, and not sure if any of them will play.
Justin Reid had a knee issue and was held out during the game for precautionary reasons according to Culley, but he and Mitchell (concussion) weren't part of the walkthrough, nor was Grugier-Hill at LB, and not sure if any of them will play.
Major
Footballguy
Anything of interest going on in these Texans games? prospects shining, etc? I guess one bright spot is they were in 2nd place until the Colts game.
Houston turmOiler
Footballguy
Wish I could tell ya. I've only watched one game. The Thursday Night game vs the Panthers because it was the only thing on. Refuse to watch them on Sunday when I can watch Redzone. It's just such a dumpster fire and trash organization I've almost forgotten we have a team here. And that's just pathetic.
Major
Footballguy
Houston turmOiler
Footballguy
I'm so jaded I don't even care what they have for picks or what they do. They're a garbage organization through and through.
Jayded
Footballguy
I'm so Jayded that.....wait.
We need to lose and lose big. At this point I want our scouts digging into Matt Corral and Malik Willis as to who we're taking 1.1 next year. Just end the facade, trade the vets to acquire more picks, and let's get on with 2022 draft evaluations.
Why could we not even get a late round pick for Mercilus? Seems odd to think we just have to continue to release players like him and JJ with no suitors at all willing to throw us a late round pick.
We need to lose and lose big. At this point I want our scouts digging into Matt Corral and Malik Willis as to who we're taking 1.1 next year. Just end the facade, trade the vets to acquire more picks, and let's get on with 2022 draft evaluations.
Why could we not even get a late round pick for Mercilus? Seems odd to think we just have to continue to release players like him and JJ with no suitors at all willing to throw us a late round pick.
dhockster
Footballguy
They released JJ as a favor to him for all that he did for the franchise so that he would be able to pick where he wanted to go. As for Mercilus, he may be useful to whoever picks him up after he is cut, but everyone knows that the Texans are going to cut him, so no one wants to waste draft picks. Also, he was getting a $4.5 million annual salary from the Texans, so whoever signs him can probably save themselves a million against the cap by paying him based on a $2.5 million annual salary.
GregR
Footballguy
Mercilus has offset language. So if someone signs him, the money they pay him gets deducted from what we are paying him. He doesn't make any extra money unless someone is going to sign him for more than we're already paying (which they won't).
So trade for him and you take on his full salary. Let him hit the street and you can sign him for a vet minimum contract. He makes the same either way so shouldn't care. So only reason to trade for him is if there is demand for him once he hits the street to where a team doesn't want to risk missing out on him.
So trade for him and you take on his full salary. Let him hit the street and you can sign him for a vet minimum contract. He makes the same either way so shouldn't care. So only reason to trade for him is if there is demand for him once he hits the street to where a team doesn't want to risk missing out on him.
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Major
Footballguy
Think we all feel what JJ is feeling. Thanks BOB!
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32446706/arizona-cardinals-jj-watt-says-facing-same-texans-remember-sunday
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/32446706/arizona-cardinals-jj-watt-says-facing-same-texans-remember-sunday
Hurl Bruce
Footballguy
What does the trade of Ingram do to Johnson and Lindsay's value? Are they viable bye week replacements now?
sushinsky4tsar
Footballguy
I picked up David Johnson and dropped Tony Jones on this news. Dynasty team set to win now. You never know if the RB depth might prove useful Lindsay is also available on waivers. I think I'm going to cut myself off at one Texans RB.
dhockster
Footballguy
So if I were grading the people running the Texans right now, it would be pretty easy:
Cal McNair, Owner: F. He sucks. in 3 short years he has overseen a team that has traded away top talent for penny's on the dollar, traded away draft picks for minimal return (Tunsil), alienated a franchise QB who wants to be traded, and taken a team with a 19 year history of a waiting list for season tickets to a franchise that can't sell out it's home games.
Jack Easterby, VP of Operations. F. As interim GM, he oversaw the D'Andre Hopkins trade. He re-signed average players to big extensions, putting the franchise in a bad salary cap position. As confidant to Cal McNair, he steered the hiring of GM to Nick Casserio, who he had a previous working relationship with back in New England. While the jury is still out as to whether that is a good hire or not, the reason it appears he wanted Nick hired was to save his own job rather than it was necessarily the best move for the franchise.
David Culley, Head Coach. F. He is the nicest of guys, but he is in way over his head. There is a reason he has never been a head coach or coordinator after 30 years in the league. He does not know how to lead. He does not have a whole lot to work with, but he seems to be doing the very least with what he has. Which brings us to the man who hired Culley.....
Nic Casserio, GM. This is where it gets hard to evaluate. Obviously Nick came into a bad situation. His first draft pick in his first draft was in the 3rd round. He inherited a franchise QB who wants to be traded, but now, due to lawsuits against him, can't be. His cap situation was bad. His first move was hiring David Culley who is awful. While on the face of it, that would be a knock against Nick, a lot of people feel Culley was hired as a placeholder, to act as head coach until Nick hires the real person he wants to lead the Texans going forward. If Culley was hired as a placeholder, and is bad, then the Texans benefit by getting very high draft picks in next years draft. Nick obviously viewed this as a reset year. Besides hiring a bad coach in Culley, he also cut or traded away overpaid veterans (Nick Martin, Whitney Mercilus, Broderick McKinney, Randall Cobb).
I view Nick with a skeptical eye, for several reasons. First, he was a long time employee of the Patriots, and very few of the people who had success with Brady and Belichick in New England have done well when they have left the organization. Second, he was hired seemingly at the behest of Jack Easterby, and his decision making process is very suspect. Finally, Nick has made himself available to the media a lot more than prior GM's, but he is a master at using a lot of words to say absolutely nothing. As with a politician, I get very suspicious of that.
I am very curious as to what Nick does regarding Culley and whether he comes back for a second season. I think it just delays your rebuilding if you keep Culley around a second year. It will also be interesting to see what Nick does regarding Watson and how his legal troubles play out. If Watson doesn't settle his lawsuits before the draft, does Casserio take less in a trade for him just to get him gone so the Texans can mover forward? Or does he hang onto him and his big salary in 2022 ($35 million base) in hopes that he can still get a great haul of draft picks for him at some point?
Cal McNair, Owner: F. He sucks. in 3 short years he has overseen a team that has traded away top talent for penny's on the dollar, traded away draft picks for minimal return (Tunsil), alienated a franchise QB who wants to be traded, and taken a team with a 19 year history of a waiting list for season tickets to a franchise that can't sell out it's home games.
Jack Easterby, VP of Operations. F. As interim GM, he oversaw the D'Andre Hopkins trade. He re-signed average players to big extensions, putting the franchise in a bad salary cap position. As confidant to Cal McNair, he steered the hiring of GM to Nick Casserio, who he had a previous working relationship with back in New England. While the jury is still out as to whether that is a good hire or not, the reason it appears he wanted Nick hired was to save his own job rather than it was necessarily the best move for the franchise.
David Culley, Head Coach. F. He is the nicest of guys, but he is in way over his head. There is a reason he has never been a head coach or coordinator after 30 years in the league. He does not know how to lead. He does not have a whole lot to work with, but he seems to be doing the very least with what he has. Which brings us to the man who hired Culley.....
Nic Casserio, GM. This is where it gets hard to evaluate. Obviously Nick came into a bad situation. His first draft pick in his first draft was in the 3rd round. He inherited a franchise QB who wants to be traded, but now, due to lawsuits against him, can't be. His cap situation was bad. His first move was hiring David Culley who is awful. While on the face of it, that would be a knock against Nick, a lot of people feel Culley was hired as a placeholder, to act as head coach until Nick hires the real person he wants to lead the Texans going forward. If Culley was hired as a placeholder, and is bad, then the Texans benefit by getting very high draft picks in next years draft. Nick obviously viewed this as a reset year. Besides hiring a bad coach in Culley, he also cut or traded away overpaid veterans (Nick Martin, Whitney Mercilus, Broderick McKinney, Randall Cobb).
I view Nick with a skeptical eye, for several reasons. First, he was a long time employee of the Patriots, and very few of the people who had success with Brady and Belichick in New England have done well when they have left the organization. Second, he was hired seemingly at the behest of Jack Easterby, and his decision making process is very suspect. Finally, Nick has made himself available to the media a lot more than prior GM's, but he is a master at using a lot of words to say absolutely nothing. As with a politician, I get very suspicious of that.
I am very curious as to what Nick does regarding Culley and whether he comes back for a second season. I think it just delays your rebuilding if you keep Culley around a second year. It will also be interesting to see what Nick does regarding Watson and how his legal troubles play out. If Watson doesn't settle his lawsuits before the draft, does Casserio take less in a trade for him just to get him gone so the Texans can mover forward? Or does he hang onto him and his big salary in 2022 ($35 million base) in hopes that he can still get a great haul of draft picks for him at some point?
GregR
Footballguy
So. Season ended up about what expected.
Mills was a brighter spot than expected. I don't know that he'll end up being a high end starter, but he's shown enough I'd let him start next year and just look for a quality backup for now. Work on building up the rest of the team.
Culley. Well, I don't think we're going to be able to go out and get an ideal coach with the state the team is in. Not without overpaying and a long contract. Might as well give him another year from my standpoint, and expect I'll look for a new coach after next season barring him showing he's a genius. He made some 1st time coach mistakes, but wasn't horrible overall. Better at some of his in game management than BOB was after several years of head coaching.
I'm just hoping a QB climbs the rankings when the evaluations start in, to where someone will move up. Might have also helped if the teams picking right behind us were more likely to take a QB high so other teams felt the need to get ahead of them.
I wouldn't mind seeing something happen like draft the tackle from Alabama, and find a trade partner for Tunsil for a 1st. Get younger and free some salary.
Mills was a brighter spot than expected. I don't know that he'll end up being a high end starter, but he's shown enough I'd let him start next year and just look for a quality backup for now. Work on building up the rest of the team.
Culley. Well, I don't think we're going to be able to go out and get an ideal coach with the state the team is in. Not without overpaying and a long contract. Might as well give him another year from my standpoint, and expect I'll look for a new coach after next season barring him showing he's a genius. He made some 1st time coach mistakes, but wasn't horrible overall. Better at some of his in game management than BOB was after several years of head coaching.
I'm just hoping a QB climbs the rankings when the evaluations start in, to where someone will move up. Might have also helped if the teams picking right behind us were more likely to take a QB high so other teams felt the need to get ahead of them.
I wouldn't mind seeing something happen like draft the tackle from Alabama, and find a trade partner for Tunsil for a 1st. Get younger and free some salary.
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Offseason will really tell a lot with Casserio IMO. For every good move so far (trading Cobb, cutting/trading some other poor contracts) some questionable ones too (signing multiple over 30 year old RB's, 36 year old WR's, etc.) My guess is Watson settles soon and a trade in principal is agreed to by late Feb or early March. Need to trade Watson early on before teams pull out of the bidding and go after Rodgers or Wilson. I fully expect a sizeable haul, the teams that were interested at the trade deadline and last offseason, many of those teams QB play/position is even worse than before. I still think it will be Miami but lots of teams will be interested. Dark horse candidate IMO, is NYG.
Whatever the haul, I agree with just rolling with Mills for another year to see if he develops, the QB prospects this year aren't worth it. Likely any trade comp for Watson will include 1 or more future 1st and 2nd rounders that you would have in your pocket for a move up in 2023 for a QB if Mills doesn't develop more. So stay put at 3 and take best available, my guess is one of the pass-rushers given JAX is losing like 3 starters including LT on their o'line to FA. Assuming at least 1 other pick in the 1st round from a Watson trade, BPA again and/or trade down. I wouldn't mind a WR as I imagine Cooks will want out after his comments on the Ingram trade and they voided 2023 & 2024 on his contract so he'll have an opportunity to cash in again. Otherwise go with a DB with the other 1st round pick (I am guessing Reid walks after his publicized disagreements with the coaching staff.) Hit o'line and LB'er in the 2nd & 3rd rounds.
But knowing this team we'll probably trade with a team like Carolina and the centerpiece of the trade will be McCaffrey that does a rebuilding team no good. The one exception to that I could maybe see would be if NY would part with one or both of those top 10 picks plus Barkley but that seems like a pipe-dream. I am more expecting something like a 1st in the teen's and future picks that end up in those same spots or later.
Whatever the haul, I agree with just rolling with Mills for another year to see if he develops, the QB prospects this year aren't worth it. Likely any trade comp for Watson will include 1 or more future 1st and 2nd rounders that you would have in your pocket for a move up in 2023 for a QB if Mills doesn't develop more. So stay put at 3 and take best available, my guess is one of the pass-rushers given JAX is losing like 3 starters including LT on their o'line to FA. Assuming at least 1 other pick in the 1st round from a Watson trade, BPA again and/or trade down. I wouldn't mind a WR as I imagine Cooks will want out after his comments on the Ingram trade and they voided 2023 & 2024 on his contract so he'll have an opportunity to cash in again. Otherwise go with a DB with the other 1st round pick (I am guessing Reid walks after his publicized disagreements with the coaching staff.) Hit o'line and LB'er in the 2nd & 3rd rounds.
But knowing this team we'll probably trade with a team like Carolina and the centerpiece of the trade will be McCaffrey that does a rebuilding team no good. The one exception to that I could maybe see would be if NY would part with one or both of those top 10 picks plus Barkley but that seems like a pipe-dream. I am more expecting something like a 1st in the teen's and future picks that end up in those same spots or later.
dhockster
Footballguy
To the bolded, Settling is not necessarily in his hands. If it is true that 18 of the 22 plaintiffs were willing to settle at the trade deadline, you have to figure the money was not the issue. Most likely, the other 4 didn't want to sign the nondisclosure agreement, and thus it doesn't matter what the money offer is. If they didn't settle at the trade deadline, I don't think they settle now, and this thing is going to go to trial after the draft. Thus, the haul of draft picks would not come until after the lawsuits are resolved at trial and therefore wouldn't come until the 2023 draft and beyond
True, we can only speculate at this point. There are reports that the DA will finally make a move on the criminal stuff by the end of this month and further speculation that they may go with misdemeanor charges at best. That will likely provide further clarity and possibly provide a window into how much longer the civil cases will last.
IMO, if the DA comes out with no charges or very minor charges, he'll get traded sooner rather than later.
dhockster
Footballguy
Fair enough, we just disagree as I think if the women were going to settle before the trial they would have done so already, and I don't see Deshaun settling without an NDA.
I think if they retain Culley, that is an indication that the team thinks this is going to drag into the 2022 season and they don't want to saddle their ultimate choice for head coach with the Deshaun albatross.
Major
Footballguy
"Culley will make $22 million for his time in Houston. The Texans owe David Culley another $17 million over the next three years, per source. So Culley walks away with roughly $22 million for one season as Houston's head coach."
Wow. Another L for this franchise. It doesn't make any sense why would you sign him up for 5 years and then fire him after about as good of a season as you could expect
Wow. Another L for this franchise. It doesn't make any sense why would you sign him up for 5 years and then fire him after about as good of a season as you could expect
Kevrunner
Footballguy
"Culley will make $22 million for his time in Houston. The Texans owe David Culley another $17 million over the next three years, per source. So Culley walks away with roughly $22 million for one season as Houston's head coach."
Wow. Another L for this franchise. It doesn't make any sense why would you sign him up for 5 years and then fire him after about as good of a season as you could expect
“ESPN's Adam Schefter says the Texans only guaranteed two years of HC David Culley's deal when they hired him last year, an omen of their decision Thursday to fire him after just one year. Aaron Wilson adds Culley's remaining guaranteed salary was just $4 million, the lowest of any head coach in the league.”
wgoldsph
Footballguy
I'd argue a better season than I expected.after about as good of a season as you could expect
